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#game of thrones#asoiaf#a song of ice and fire#asoif/got#asoiaf fanart#asoif fanart#house of the dragon#house targaryen#house stark#sansa stark#Eroeh#daella targaryen#daenys the dreamer#daenys targaryen#shaera targaryen#theonsa#theon greyjoy
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Daenerys and her female servants
#game of thrones#asoiaf#daenerys targaryen#daenerys' servants#servants#handmaids#jhiqui#irri#doreah#eroeh#missandei#jezhene#kezmya#mezzara#qezza#daenerys fancast#viktoriya novikova#jhiqui fancast#q'orianka kilcher#irri fancast#izabella alvarez#doreah fancast#francesca isherwood#eroeh fancast#kiawentiio tarbell#missandei fancast#lauren julien box#jezhene fancast#crystal rao#kezmya fancast
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6 characters request!
Eroeh for @mariedemedicis
Obara for @rhaemartell
Joncon for @mylestoyne
Gendry for @baratheonbastard
Bran Stark for @threeyedcrow
Brienne for @inthecompanyofabengaltiger
#my art#valyrianscrolls#asoiaf#asoiaf fanart#asoiaf art#eroeh#obara sand#jon connington#gendry#bran stark#brienne of tarth#Thank you everyone! This was a fun exercise ^_^
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I get we all have different interpretations but I rolled my eyes so hard when reading the main tag & I saw someone call Eroeh a friend to Dany and that she's a mirror to Mycah for Arya.
Don't we all fondly recall when Arya slapped Mycah across the face after making him her personal servant, for suggesting that someone obviously dying was, in fact, dying?
I feel fuzzy and warm inside every time Arya recalls how much she fought to save Mycah from harm after first asking Joffrey to round up some peasants to kill for her personal advancement.
Good times.
Oh wait. That's not how it went.
There are parallels in these relationships that I have no intention of denying. Both characters represent a traumatic experience involving the cruel realities of their cultures, a source of guilt and an unanswered desire for justice. Both characters eventually fade in their importance - if perhaps temporarily.
But where Dany consistently thinks of Eroeh as "the girl she had tried to save", as opposed to acknowledging her own role in Eroeh's fate and her own cruelty, a tearful Arya needs to be talked down by Ned from taking on a guilt that was never hers and she tries to achieve true justice for Mycah - not vengeance.
They are mirrors, but not in a flattering way for Dany.
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ASOIAF FANCASTING –> EVERY NAMED FEMALE CHARACTER ABOVE THE AGE OF FIVE, PART XXI
Elyn Norridge (b. approx. 250 AC): Widow of Ser Luthor Tyrell, nephew of Lord Luthor Tyrell and cousin to Mace, the current Lord of Highgarden. She has three children and is the grandmother of Lady Elinor Tyrell, who accompanies Queen Margaery to King's Landing. Fancast: Emma Thompson.
Elys Arryn (b. 61 AC): Eldest child of Lord Rodrik Arryn, Lord of the Eyrie, and his first wife. After the death of Elys's mother, Lord Rodrik married the Targaryen princess Daella, daughter of King Jaehaerys and Good Queen Alysanne. She was three years younger than Elys, who despised her. Fancast: Evangeline Lilly.
Emma (b. approx. 260 AC): A server at the Quill and Tankard, a tavern in Oldtown. She has a young daughter, Rosey, whose maidenhead she is selling for a golden dragon. Fancast: Mandy McMullin.
Emphyria Vance (main series era): Third and youngest daughter of Ser Karyl Vance of Wayfarer's Rest, who becomes Lord Vance after the death of his father in the battle below the Golden Tooth during the War of Five Kings. Fancast: Ivy Latimer.
Eroeh (c. 284-298 AC): A Lhazareen girl whose settlement is attacked by Khal Drogo. Daenerys takes Eroeh as a slave, along with many other women, to protect her from further rape and injury. However, when Khal Drogo dies of a wound sustained during the duel with Khal Ogo, Eroeh is raped and murdered by Mago, now a bloodrider to the new Khal Jhaqo. Daenerys swears that she will avenge Eroeh. Fancast: Kiawentiio.
Esgred (main series era): The mother of Sigrin, a shipwright of the Iron Islands. He named the first ship he built after her. Asha Greyjoy takes this name in disguise to meet her brother Theon, to see what kind of man he has become after returning to the Iron Islands after nearly ten years. Fancast: Gina McKee.
Essie (c. 110-131 AC): A whore who worked at the House of Kisses in King's Landing during the Dance of the Dragons. In the wake of Queen Rhaenyra's flight from the city, she declared her four-year-old son, Gaemon, to be a bastard son of Aegon II and set him up as king in the brothel with the help of her Dornish paramour, Sylvenna Sand. When Aegon II reclaimed the city, Essie and Sylvenna were hanged. Gaemon was made a whipping boy and companion to the boy king Aegon III after Aegon II was poisoned. Fancast: Chiara Mastalli.
Ezzara (main series era): A Ghiscari priestess of Meereen, one of the Blue Graces who specialize in healing. She treats the first victim of the bloody flux in Meereen. Fancast: Adjoa Andoh.
Falena Stokeworth (b. 125 AC): A noblewoman of House Stokeworth famed for being the first mistress of Aegon IV Targaryen. She was brought to court as a little girl at the beginning of Aegon III's reign to be a companion to Aegon's wife Jaehaera. After Queen Jaehaera's death, she would have attended the Maiden's Day Ball held for Aegon to choose a new bride, but some time before the ball, she fell down the serpentine steps of the Red Keep and broke her leg. Later on, when she was in her twenties, she became the first mistress of the future Aegon IV, who was then only the son of Prince Viserys, brother of Aegon III. She was 10 years older than him. When Prince Viserys found out about the affair, he wed Falena to the master-at-arms in the Red Keep, Ser Lucas Lothston, and persuaded King Aegon to make Ser Lucas the Lord of Harrenhal, thereby removing Falena from court. However, Prince Aegon paid many visits to Harrenhal in the following 2 years. When Falena gave birth to a daughter, Jeyne Lothston, over 10 years later, some suspected that Aegon was the father rather than Falena's husband. Six years after Aegon finally became king, Falena and her husband, who was made the King's Hand, returned to court with the fourteen-year-old Jeyne, who became Aegon's eighth mistress. However, the king soon infected Jeyne with a pox and the Lothstons were banished from court again, Lucas serving less than a year as Hand. Fancast: Deborah Ann Woll.
Falia Flowers (b. approx. 282 AC): Bastard daughter of Lord Humfrey Hewett, a nobleman of the Shields. She was made a servant for her trueborn half-sisters and stepmother, but after Lord Hewett's castle is taken by Euron Greyjoy in his raid on the Shields, Falia becomes his salt wife and receives rich gifts from him. However, a few months later, a pregnant Falia is to be sacrificed for an unknown purpose alongside Euron's brother Aeron, her tongue cut out. Fancast: Danielle Galligan.
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It's a fact that Dany's story is riddled with violence against women of color and that she's the perpetrator in several cases, so mentioning her race is actually necessary (Sansa being white has no bearing on her story because again, she never hurt or killed any woc). Besides burning Mirri, r*ping Irri and torturing the wineseller's daughter, she also slaps Eroeh in the face. She looted one city, destroyed another to gain an army of slaves, took over another one for a trial run at ruling and plans to abandon it to invade and destroy a continent that she (and the thousands of warlords she's bringing with her) has never been to to demand fealty from people who don't want her as their queen. Why don't you at least acknowledge that Dany is written as a villain and that your hatred of Sansa is, by comparison, irrational?
It's ironic that the biggest criticism of how George writes characters of color is that he uses them in service of white characters' arcs and that's exactly what you've decided to do in my inbox. Nothing about liking these characters, wanting to see more of their stories, or wanting better for them. Nothing about wanting to start a conversation about the racism in George's writing. Nope. Just you using these characters of color and their suffering, which you supposedly care about, as props because you feel a "pure", white character is being unfairly hated. I have to laugh. The only "hate" I've given to Sansa is disliking her annoying stans and pointing out how she's written in the books but apparently, that's enough to have you clutching your pearls.
And the thing about racism is that, for Dany to be capable of being racist, it would mean that race HAS to be a factor in their society. That would mean that Sansa, as a white woman, would subsequently benefit from her white identity. Which is why I found that so funny from the first ask you sent. You can't just decide that race is only a factor in a single character's story. I get it though, you haven't actually thought any of this through because your only motivation is to put down Dany and prop up Sansa. This is how I know you don't care at all about racism and you're just copying talking points you've heard instead of thinking for yourself.
#ask#anon#anti sansa stans#/Sansa's race doesn't matter/ but you're claiming that Dany benefits from being white...so which is it?#I just have to laugh cause I know you couldn't care less about Mirri Eroeh or Irri you just want to hate Dany#any and all nuance removed from what actually happened to justify it#but then the fact that Mirri forced an abortion on a 14-year-old bridal slave doesn't exactly fit the narrative huh? :/#or the fact that Irri began touching Dany without her asking or her permission#or that fact that you know Dany herself was sold as payment and a slave up until the end of AGOT#talk about George's writing being racist all you want but if you're only trying to frame it as /Dany bad/ then you just look stupid
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How many asoiaf leaders we see being self reflecting?
Meanwhile Dany, the night before she offers freedom to all Unsullied, she reflects about Eroeh's fate and even feels guilty about her tragic end.
This girl was raped when Dany rescued her and added her to her personal slaves in order to offer her protection ( remember, back when Dany was married to Drogo, she didn't have the authority to free a slave herself).
Unfortunately for Eroeh, her sad fate didn't stop there. Because after Khal Drogo was dead and Dany was no longer considered a Khaleesi by most of his khalasar, Eroeh's rapist return to abuse and kill the girl.
Dany was by no means responsible to what happened to Eroeh because she was unconscious ( after giving a difficult birth) when the girl met her cruel end by Khal Mago.
However, that doesn't stop Dany from feeling she failed the girl. Because Dany believes that a ruler's duty is to protect their subjects.
Dany was once also a helpless child in need of protection from her brother - king. But instead all she got was his cruelty and abuse.
Dany knows first hand how someone can suffer under a merciless King. Combine on that the guilt she feels for the fate of a girl she couldn't possible change and it's no wonder that she comes to the conclusion that " justice...is what kings are for".
Those aren't pretty words coming out of a mouth of a pampered and naive girl playing the Messiah. Those are the words of a girl who has sold by her Brother - King as a bride-slave, a girl who has suffered things other Ruler candidates couldn't possibly imagine, a girl who is going to live by those words she said. The same teenage girl offers freedom and justice to all the Unsullied slaves the next morning.
#daenerys targaryen#asoiaf meta#daenerys meta#house Targaryen#valyrianscrolls#astapor#asos#asos meta
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You often miss how similar Jorah Mormont and Petyr Baelish are in some respects.
When it was announced that I was to wed Brandon Stark, Petyr challenged for the right to my hand. It was madness. Brandon was twenty, Petyr scarcely fifteen. I had to beg Brandon to spare Petyr's life. He let him off with a scar. Afterward my father sent him away. I have not seen him since."
-AGOT, Catelyn IV
Yet with Lynesse's favor knotted round my arm, I was a different man. I won joust after joust. Lord Jason Mallister fell before me, and Bronze Yohn Royce. Ser Ryman Frey, his brother Ser Hosteen, Lord Whent, Strongboar, even Ser Boros Blount of the Kingsguard, I unhorsed them all. In the last match, I broke nine lances against Jaime Lannister to no result, and King Robert gave me the champion's laurel. I crowned Lynesse queen of love and beauty, and that very night went to her father and asked for her hand. I was drunk, as much on glory as on wine. By rights I should have gotten a contemptuous refusal, but Lord Leyton accepted my offer. We were married there in Lannisport, and for a fortnight I was the happiest man in the wide world."
-ACOK, Daenerys I
They pursued beautiful highborn women far above their station who, and both being southron women who married northern lords. Petyr pined for Catelyn Tully, and fought a duel for her hand against her betrothed, Brandon Stark. Jorah won a tourney with the favor of Lynesse Hightower, he crowned her queen of love and beauty and managed to marry her when he asked for her hand.
Their stories have a romantic element to them with Petyr dueling for Cat's hand and Jorah winning a tourney with Lynesse's favor, but they end up being subverted with neither getting a happy ending. Petyr loses the duel and is nearly killed, and then SAed by Lysa and sent from Riverrun. Jorah's marriage didn't work out, exhausting his family's coffers to provide her the luxuries she was used to and after selling poachers to slavers, which forced him into exile. Catelyn ended up marrying Ned Stark and Lynesse ended up leaving Jorah to be a merchant-prince's concubine.
After that, they found themselves in service to women with Lysa Arryn having Jon Arryn raisie up Petyr and him later serving Queen Cersei while Jorah ending up serving Daenerys in exile. They also end up betraying the people they serve with Littlefinger having a hand in the War of Five Kings and being behind Joffrey's murder, killing Lysa and Jorah spying on Daenerys.
"I've told the khal he ought to make for Meereen," Ser Jorah said. "They'll pay a better price than he'd get from a slaving caravan. Illyrio writes that they had a plague last year, so the brothels are paying double for healthy young girls, and triple for boys under ten. If enough children survive the journey, the gold will buy us all the ships we need, and hire men to sail them."
-AGOT, Daenerys VII
"I'm a good girl," Jeyne whimpered. "They trained me."
-ADWD, Theon
Another thing they have in common is their attitude towards children and sex slavery. Petyr took the orphaned Jeyne Poole, forced her into sexual slavery at one of his brothels as shown by the whippings she endured for refusing and mentioning "she was trained." He then sent her to Ramsay Bolton of all people, likely not being ignorant of the things he had heard about him. Jorah had no qualms selling kids into sex slavery en masse, and when Dany tells him to stop Eroeh from being raped, he initially pushes back saying the Dothraki are claiming "their reward."
"You shouldn't kiss me. I might have been your own daughter . . ."
"Might have been," he admitted, with a rueful smile. "But you're not, are you? You are Eddard Stark's daughter, and Cat's. But I think you might be even more beautiful than your mother was, when she was your age."
-ASOS, Sansa VII
"What did she look like, your Lady Lynesse?"
Ser Jorah smiled sadly. "Why, she looked a bit like you, Daenerys."
-ACOK, Daenerys I
It fits their creepy attitude towards the opposite gender with their fixation on young girls after the loss of their previous interests of affection. Petyr fixates on Cat's daughter Sansa Stark who does bear a noted resemblance to her mother while Jorah fixates on Daenerys who he admits looks like his ex-wife.
For half a heartbeat she yielded to his kiss . . . before she turned her face away and wrenched free. "What are you doing?"
Petyr straightened his cloak. "Kissing a snow maid."
. . .
"You shouldn't kiss me. I might have been your own daughter . . ."
-ASOS, Sansa VII
It was a long kiss, though how long Dany could not have said. When it ended, Ser Jorah let go of her, and she took a quick step backward. "You . . . you should not have . . ."
"I should not have waited so long," he finished for her. "I should have kissed you in Qarth, in Vaes Tolorru. I should have kissed you in the red waste, every night and every day. You were made to be kissed, often and well." His eyes were on her breasts.
Dany covered them with her hands, before her nipples could betray her. "I . . . that was not fitting. I am your queen."
-ASOS, Daenerys I
Their treatment towards these girls can be described as possessive and abusive. While posing to their girls as their protectors, they basically use it to enforce control over them. They force kisses on the girls, and when the girls make it clear they don't want them, simply dismiss them and continue to push. Petyr keeps Sansa in his custody under a false identity, effectively making him her guardian and keeping her completely dependent on him. Jorah tries to isolate Dany from other men in her life from Xaro to Barristan and Daario.
The main difference in Petyr is very vindictive, and works on the downfall of houses Stark and Tully over Cat's rejection and marriage while Jorah stays loyal to Daenerys and tries to seek her favor again. Neither man really takes accountability for the consequences of their actions.
Their fixations will ultimately prove to be their downfalls. Petyr underestimates the danger Sansa potentially poses to him as she is learning from him. Jorah in a desperate act, kidnaps Tyrion, and tries to go to Meereen to regain favor with Daenerys. He likely won't like the Ironborn suitor Victarion, and his actions will likely get himself killed.
#a song of ice and fire#asoiaf#littlefinger#petyr baelish#petyr littlefinger baelish#jorah mormont#jorah#catelyn stark#catelyn tully#daenerys targaryen#daenerys stormborn#queen daenerys
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From F&B/ASOIAF:
Your favorite ship (canon or not)?
Your least favorite ship?
Your favorite character?
Your least favorite character?
Which character do you think deserved better?
Your favorite ship (canon or not)?
Jonsa (canon)
Your least favorite ship?
Sansan (not canon)
Your favorite character?
Sansa Stark
Your least favorite character?
Barristan Selmy
Which character do you think deserved better?
Jeyne Poole? Lollys Stokeworth? Kyra? Eroeh? Pia? Elia Martell? Catelyn Stark? Mirri Maz Duur? Tysha? Craster's wives? Hodor? The Unsullied? Lady? Unnamed peasant character? A Qyburn experimental subject? One of Tyrion's prostitutes? The reader?
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"I had bad dreams," Shireen told him. "About the dragons. They were coming to eat me."-ACOK(Prologue).
"Teora gave a tiny nod, chin trembling. "They were dancing. In my dream. And everywhere the dragons danced the people died."- TWOW.
Both Shireen and Teora had bad dreams about dragons. Apparently Dany having dragon dreams means they are heroes.
Dreaming of dragons always seems to be a bad thing! We not only have the little girls' nightmares, we have all the Targs who dreamed of them because they wanted them:
"I see them in my dreams, Sam. I see a red star bleeding in the sky. I still remember red. I see their shadows on the snow, hear the crack of leathern wings, feel their hot breath. My brothers dreamed of dragons too, and the dreams killed them, every one. Sam, we tremble on the cusp of half-remembered prophecies, of wonders and terrors that no man now living could hope to comprehend . . . or . . ." (AFFC, Samwell III)
And in both versions of dragon dreams, it's negative/ominous. Knowing what will befall Shireen, your quotes hit even harder.
I was trying to guess as to why the fandom doesn't worry about the warnings in quotes like this, and I suppose, initially, when Dany had her dragon dreams, we're entirely sympathetic to the desire because of Viserys' abuse. That makes it easy to miss the transition from the idea that dragons would protect a little girl (Dany) to being an object of fear for little girls and eventually killing one (Hazzea). It lulls fans into viewing them as one thing before revealing them for what they truly are:
"Are you deaf, fool?" Reznak mo Reznak demanded of the man. "Did you not hear my pronouncement? See my factors on the morrow, and you shall be paid for your sheep."
"Reznak," Ser Barristan said quietly, "hold your tongue and open your eyes. Those are no sheepbones."
No, Dany thought, those are the bones of a child. (ADWD, Daenerys I)
And of course, that evolution of Dany from a little girl needing protection into the one with the dragon who kills little girls, from the mother of people to the mother of dragons, that tells us that her dragon dreams will lead to devastation for countless others:
Her name had been Hazzea. She was four years old. (ADWD, Daenerys II)
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No queen has clean hands, Dany told herself. She thought of Doreah, of Quaro, of Eroeh … of a little girl she had never met, whose name had been Hazzea. Better a few should die in the pit than thousands at the gates. This is the price of peace, I pay it willingly. If I look back, I am lost. (ADWD, Daenerys, VIII)
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"Drogon killed a little girl. Her name was … her name …" Dany could not recall the child's name. That made her so sad that she would have cried if all her tears had not been burned away. "I will never have a little girl. I was the Mother of Dragons." (ADWD, Daenerys X)
And I suspect, the idea is that the dragons (fire and blood) will lead to her own demise as well.
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GRRM and the Medieval Setting (Part One - Daenerys)
ASOIAF, like most high fantasy, takes place in a medieval-esque world. There's medieval aesthetic, technology, and sensibilities. These sensibilities in ASOIAF include misogyny, racism/xenophobia, classism, and the allowance of slavery. These things are objectively bad, however, the fandom is obsessed with trying to justify them. Their argument is that these things aren't actually bad in ASOIAF because that's just how things were in the Medieval period and they're cultural norms. This is far from what GRRM is trying to communicate.
GRRM uses most of his pov characters to criticize the medieval sensibilities and ideas. I'm not going to go into every character, but I will do a few of the main ones in a series. This post is going to focus on Daenerys.
Daenerys' primary arc at this point in the books is her campaign against slavery and ruling Meereen. Obviously, the main issue GRRM condemns in her chapters is the existence of slavery. From Dany's first chapter, we are introduced to the Essosi slave trade from the perspective of someone being sold.
Throughout AGOT, the horrors of slavery are introduced. Pentos keeps their slaves thinly disguised at servants despite their agreement with Braavos, Dany is raped routinely by Drogo, the Dosh Khaleen and Khalasars use enslaved eunuchs as servants and healers, Khalasars raid villages and enslave their people, Drogo's Khalasar rape the Lhazareen women, and Eroeh is gang raped and murdered by Khal Jhaqo and his bloodriders. While ACOK doesn't make a point of showing the horror of slavery, in ASOS and ADWD Dany devotes herself to ending the slave trade in Slaver's Bay, foregoing her original goal of the IT.
GRRM fills Dany's chapters with horrific descriptions of the effects of the Essosi slave trade. He portrays the slavers as cruel and "cartoonishly evil". Despite the criticisms of certain fans who routinely defend Essosi slavers, these portrayals are on purpose.
GRRM does have issues with writing characters of color (many of the Dothraki) as stereotypes who don't have much do differentiate them from each other. However, this doesn't actually apply to the antagonists of Dany's story. Kraznys mo Nakloz, Hizdahr zo Loraq, Galazza Galare, Grazdan mo Eraz, and the other slavers are meant to show just how abominable slavery as an institution is. Their cruelty and inhumanity is a conscious choice to reflect the real world people who did the monstrous things that inspired GRRM's version of slavery.
Moving on from slavery, Dany's arc also addresses the misogyny inherit to the Medieval era. Dany is mocked, underestimated, undermined, and devalued because of her gender. She suffers marital rape and a traumatic miscarriage. Each of these things are portrayed as the injustices they are.
Dany is demeaned by her adversaries not just because of her gender but also because she's a non-conforming woman. The slavers spread rumors of her being a monstrous demon who's driven by her lust for sex and power. She's condemned for being a woman who refused to remain in the position society assigned to her.
GRRM shows the common misogynistic beliefs and methods of Medieval men used to suppress women of the time. He also shows that it's his antagonists who employ the smear tactics and refuse to alter their worldviews because of Dany's gender.
GRRM took the femininity that Dany is demeaned for and turned it into symbols of her strength. She's the Mother of Dragons, Mhysa, the Dragon Queen, Khaleesi, Aegon the Conqueror with Teats.
GRRM touches on racism and xenophobia in Dany's chapters. The Dothraki and other Essosi people are viewed and savages and less important by the Westerosi lords. The Lhazareen are demeaned by the Dothraki and Ghiscari. The Qartheen view themselves as superior to everyone around them.
GRRM gives a unique perspective to Dany concerning regional and cultural divides. Dany is a refugee and an exile who has never known a true home. She's travelled throughout many cities of Essos, come into contact with many different cultures, and has learned to appreciate them.
The Ghiscari culture is the one Dany has the most complicated relationship with, but that's purely because of slavery and her constant struggles with the slavers class. She appreciates the Ghiscari people, and embraces their culture, just as she does with every culture she lives in.
GRRM uses Dany and her openness to show how every society has its flaws and its goodness. Just like his characters, the cultures he's created are flawed and very human. Ultimately, GRRM likes the thought of unity between nations, this is reflected in his writing of Dany's chapters.
Finally, GRRM addresses the classism which is intrinsically tied to feudalism. This is already sort of addressed through the slavery section, but he does also go into the class divide outside of this. First off, through Dany's early life, he examines how, without wealth and familial ties, she and children like her are left defenseless and in poverty.
He shows how it's the lower classes and impoverished people who are most often enslaved. The Meerenese nobles are able to afford feasts while the lower classes starve during the siege of Meereen. The Free Cities are ruled by the wealthy slave masters.
Dany, as I've said many times, was raised in poverty, this informs the way she treats her people. GRRM makes a point to show how everyone, from Dany's Dothraki handmaids to the Ghiscari nobles are allowed to speak in Dany's council meetings. She sits for hours to listen to the cases brought before her by all her subjects, the lowborn, the freedmen, and the nobles. She listens to them and takes their opinions and best interests into consideration.
This is something GRRM has gone out of his way to show in his books. His books are full of lords and kings ignoring the smallfolk and using them as disposable pawns. Dany and a few other characters are specifically written to view the common people as significant. This is meant to be significant.
Dany's story is not meant to be read just as someone conquering for power or a spoiled girl who doesn't care about the economies she disrupting. GOT sent the message that Dany is wrong for going against the status quo and many in the fandom seem to just accept this. Just because GRRM wrote a story set in a world with medieval values doesn't mean we should accept the norm of that world as right. He chose to write characters who are outsiders to criticize the world that ostracized them.
Dany's story is about equality, social change, and freedom. The slavers aren't in the right just because their cultures normalize slavery. The men aren't more worthy than Dany and other women just because Westeros and Essos are misogynistic. It's not ok to be racist or xenophobic towards other cultures just because most cities/regions in Planetos have a superiority complex. Classism isn't acceptable just because the nobility think they're superior because of blood or money.
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heyy! this is such a niche request but, if you have the time, could you draw Eroeh? she’s one of daenerys’ handmaids in AGOT
All spots taken!
#Eroeh#daenerys targaryen#shaera targaryen#daenys targaryen#sansa stark#asoiaf#game of thrones#a song of ice and fire#asoif/got#asoiaf fanart#asoif fanart#house of the dragon#house targaryen#house stark
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I never realised that Eroeh and Micah kinda have the same roles in Arya’s and Dany’s stories. a friend they made, who they defended against the injustice of powerful men who in the end, fell victims to said men because they weren’t seen as people by them because one was a slave and the other a butcher’s boy and both deaths make them realise even more the injustice of the world and give them the will to change it.
I really wonder if Dany will meet Mago again and kill him ?
#asoiaf#asoiaf reread#a song of ice and fire#daenerys targaryen#arya stark#khal mago#dany kills drogo the chapter (I think)
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Daenerys & The evolution of “If I look back I am lost”
She was walking down a long hall beneath high stone arches. She could not look behind her, must not look behind her. There was a door ahead of her, tiny with distance, but even from afar, she saw that it was painted red. She walked faster, and her bare feet left bloody footprints on the stone.
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Darkness, Dany thought. The terrible darkness sweeping up behind to devour her. If she looked back she was lost. “My son was alive and strong when Ser Jorah carried me into this tent,” she said. “I could feel him kicking, fighting to be born.”
…
Had she? Had she? If I look back I am lost. “The price was paid,” Dany said. “The horse, my child, Quaro and Qotho, Haggo and Cohollo. The price was paid and paid and paid.” She rose from her cushions. “Where is Khal Drogo? Show him to me, godswife, maegi, bloodmage, whatever you are. Show me Khal Drogo. Show me what I bought with my son’s life.”
…
If I look back I am lost. “It was a cruel fate,” Dany said, “yet not so cruel as Mago’s will be. I promise you that, by the old gods and the new, by the lamb god and the horse god and every god that lives. I swear it by the Mother of Mountains and the Womb of the World. Before I am done with them, Mago and Ko Jhaqo will plead for the mercy they showed Eroeh.”
…
“This was no god’s work,” Dany said coldly. If I look back I am lost. “You cheated me. You murdered my child within me.”
…
Inside the tent Dany found a cushion, soft silk stuffed with feathers. She clutched it to her breasts as she walked back out to Drogo, to her sun-and-stars. If I look back I am lost. It hurt even to walk, and she wanted to sleep, to sleep and not to dream.
— Daenerys IX, AGOT
“Aggo,” Dany called, paying no heed to Jhogo's words. If I look back I am lost. “To you I give the dragonbone bow that was my bride gift.” It was double-curved, shiny black and exquisite, taller than she was. “I name you ko, and ask your oath, that you should live and die as blood of my blood, riding at my side to keep me safe from harm.”
…
She could feel the eyes of the khalasar on her as she entered her tent. The Dothraki were muttering and giving her strange sideways looks from the corners of their dark almond eyes. They thought her mad, Dany realized. Perhaps she was. She would know soon enough. If I look back I am lost.
— Daenerys X, AGOT
If I look back I am lost, Dany told herself the next morning as she entered Astapor through the harbor gates. She dared not remind herself how small and insignificant her following truly was, or she would lose all courage. [...]
— Daenerys III, ASOS
If I look back, I am doomed, Dany told herself … but how could she not look back? I should have seen it coming. Was I so blind, or did I close my eyes willfully, so I would not have to see the price of power?
— Daenerys II, ADWD
“Continue as we planned. Gather food, as much as you can.” If I look back I am lost. “We must close the gates and put every fighting man upon the walls. No one enters, no one leaves.”
— Daenerys VI, ADWD
One would be dead before the sun went down. No queen has clean hands, Dany told herself. She thought of Doreah, of Quaro, of Eroeh … of a little girl she had never met, whose name had been Hazzea. Better a few should die in the pit than thousands at the gates. This is the price of peace, I pay it willingly. If I look back, I am lost.
…
Then you truly are a fool, Prince Frog. Dany gave her wild children one last lingering look. She could hear the dragons screaming as she led the boy back to the door, and see the play of light against the bricks, reflections of their fires. If I look back, I am lost. “Ser Barristan will have summoned a pair of sedan chairs to carry us back up to the banquet, but the climb can still be wearisome.” Behind them, the great iron doors closed with a resounding clang. “Tell me of this other Daenerys. I know less than I should of the history of my father’s kingdom. I never had a maester growing up.” Only a brother.
— Daenerys VIII, ADWD
Keep walking. If I look back I am lost.
...
No, Dany told herself. If I look back I am lost. She might live for years amongst the sunbaked rocks of Dragonstone, riding Drogon by day and gnawing at his leavings every evenfall as the great grass sea turned from gold to orange, but that was not the life she had been born to. [...]
...
Dany watched him go. When the sound of his hooves had faded away to silence, she began to shout. She called until her voice was hoarse … and Drogon came, snorting plumes of smoke. The grass bowed down before him. Dany leapt onto his back. She stank of blood and sweat and fear, but none of that mattered. “To go forward I must go back,” she said. Her bare legs tightened around the dragon’s neck. She kicked him, and Drogon threw himself into the sky. Her whip was gone, so she used her hands and feet and turned him north by east, the way the scout had gone. Drogon went willingly enough; perhaps he smelled the rider’s fear.
— Daenerys X, ADWD
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Yunkai, Astapor, and Mereen were already in chaos because they were slave cities. I agree she was naive in thinking things would resolve themselves after merely overthrowing slavery, as reconstruction is notoriously fickle and tricky business. But it’s hardly just vanity, considering she herself had been a slave. And abolition IS a step forward, even if it’s not the final step like she thought
She was not a slave.
Her brother offered her to Khal Drogo as a wife. Or "gifted" her in exchange for an expected return, which is undeniably unjust and cruel abuse based entirely on the patriarchical power that men have over women in Westeros and Essos. It was a marriage contract in its starkest, least romanticized, objectifying, exploitative form.
But she was not an actual slave, with no rights, no status, no power. No more than any girl in Westeros who is married off for a political alliance. It is not the same as slavery, even if Dany likens her fate to being sold when talking about it with Xaro.
She owned her own slaves, her "handmaidens" Irri, Jhiqui and Doreah, gifted to her as wedding presents. Drogo enslaved a whole town and the suvivors of two khalasars, and she barely batted an eye, and only the rape of Eroeh inspired her to shift the ownership of the female slaves to herself, including Mirri whom she later murdered with fire.
Dany was a slaver herself. Not a slave.
And you are missing my point. Dany was not "abolishing" anything. She decided to have all the Astapori slavers (and tokar-wearing freeborn aged 12 and upward) killed, essentially on a whim, because it was cheaper than buying the Unsullied and felt like an easy win against some evil men. Afterwards, the Unsullied followed her in the exact same way they would have if she had simply bought them, no thought of making their own plans for their own lives with their sudden freedom. What a bargain! Oh, and those pesky civillians chose to follow her too, can't be helped.
She didn't go in with the intention to end slavery, it was a series of spontaneous decisions that each 100% benefitted her short-term conquest plans and felt satisfying because it meant violence or humiliation towards a cruel class of elite slavers who had treated her much more rudely than the elite class of slavers at Qarth that she had apparently no problem with at all.
She was taking a cut from slave sales in Meereen before she even decided to stay there to see through her "abolition" project. She forced random free people into unpaid labor. It was complete vanity, briefly joined by the awkward feeling of guilt and horror at her own violent impact. She hated that it wasn't a quick fix to make herself feel powerful and just, because it was vanity.
Also, chaos is not what was going on in Slaver's Bay before she arrived. Horrific exploitation, yes. Unbelievable cruelty, yes. Injustice that utterly needed ending, yes. Chaos, with mass starvation, rampant disease, civil war in the streets, war between states, and no functional authority to establish the rule of law? No. That's the thing that happened because Dany was being "naive" with the fate of thousands of people. "Naive" meaning "mass murder is the solution, yay, so simple!"
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i knew hbo got hated women but like reading the books, it’s clear that it was calculated. they took choices away from female characters and stripped them of agency, especially dany
to be honest, i was not a fan of show!dany, long before the mad queen arc. i found her annoying and entitled and not very smart. her crusade to free the slaves felt hollow to me, like she was just using them to invade westeros. but “these men will die screaming” is so much more significant when dany is swearing to avenge eroeh, a slave girl who dany was under no obligation to protect but actively chose to
tl;dr D&D can rot in hell
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