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CABIN PRESSURE
➥ 3.04 - Ottery St. Mary x
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Cabin Pressure Advent Day 18: Rotterdam
This is one of those episodes that I don't listen to much, and now that I have I'm really not sure why because it's so, so funny.
For a bunch of the other write-ups I've done, I've generally sidelined the humor- in a "well obviously this is funny, let's talk about some other thing about it instead" kind of way. And I'm going to talk about other kinds of things related to this episode, but I do want to start with how hilarious it is because it's basically perfect from that perspective. All four of the main cast are at the top of their game, and if anything having Martin and Douglas be confronted by their potential replacements only accentuates even more what makes them awesome, and their actors so good at playing them as extremely distinctive characters. All of the jokes about movie-making and airplane safety demos are super funny, and for an episode with a relatively straightforward and uncomplicated plot, the humor and the set pieces need to be top notch and thankfully they are.
This is also the kind of episode that relies on the visual humor that comes from making audio comedy- everything relies on us imagining what the characters are describing/inferring, which a) makes the writing and performing of the dialogue so important and b) allows us that moment of putting pieces together that makes things just a little bit funnier. The comparative descriptions of Carolyn and Douglas in the life jackets, and which fruit they can be compared to, are hilarious not only because it shows us Douglas being punished for making fun of Carolyn when she did the video, but because by doing it via audio they force us to imagine Douglas as looking far worse than Carolyn, which would be potentially doable but a lot less foolproof in a visual scene.
And speaking of Douglas... I always get some schadenfreude from seeing Douglas suffer, if only because he doesn't seem to very much. But I wonder if I'd have the same feeling about it if I'd listened in broadcast order rather than alphabetical, because in broadcast order Rotterdam came right after Ottery St Mary, another Douglas-suffers episode. As it is now, I feel like he's getting a bit more of what's coming to him but in a relatively balanced way (he did, after all, just flatten Martin in Qik and Paris)- I'm curious about people's impressions of these two episodes sequentially.
(It makes me wonder about some other plotlines this season, as well; listening to this right after Qik made Martin's grasping for whatever dignity he can get out of his rank feel a bit more urgent, and even though he didn't get any at the end, his general emotional victory this episode is very satisfying as a bit of a post-Qik followup, and a nice foreshadower that Martin's fortunes will start to turn next season. In the broadcasted season, the episodes are very far apart. And I also think that this episode being so long after Ottery St Mary, with that episode being right after Newcastle all the way at the beginning of the season, made Herc and his role here feel a bit more lived-in than I'd imagine it would feel to have Newcastle, Ottery St Mary, and Rotterdam right in a row. But I'm curious about people's opinions!)
The other thing that occurred to me in the context of previous episodes this season is- I'm kind of sad that JF got rid of the cold opens. Those were always really fun in S1-2. Ah well.
Anyway, a really great episode that I've apparently been SIGNIFICANTLY underrating... that is definitely heading right back into my usual rotation! Tomorrow, of course, an episode that is impossible to underrate, my favorite one of all...
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hello everyone! pleased to present the 2022 Cabin Pressure advent listenalong! beneath the cut are the prompts for the episodes, which i will post every day but this is a headstart if you want it!
the first episode will be Abu Dhabi on the 29th, which is next Tuesday and you're welcome to join in however you fancy - write! draw! make liveblog posts! i would absolutely love to coordinate a live listen again, but my timezone has now become problematic. that said, i still propose that if we want to gather at around 6 or 7pm GMT, either on discord or on tumblr or whatever, we'll see what we can do about having a group listen.
any questions or comments please just shout! okay, bye! love the airport!
29th Abu Dhabi
a missing scene: The run up to Carolyn calling Martin a berk
a word: ice
a question: Who is your favourite character?
30th Boston
a missing scene: Douglas’ conversation with ATC
a word: home
a question: What’s your favourite Arthur moment?
December 1st Cremona
a missing scene: Arthur and Martin in the Garibaldi
a word: nuts
a question: What’s your favourite Douglas moment?
2nd Douz
a missing scene: Douglas and the cricketers
a word: big
a question: What’s your favourite Carolyn moment?
3rd Edinburgh
a missing scene: Martin giving Mr Birling the hat
a word: maps
a question: What’s your favourite Martin moment?
4th Fitton
a missing scene: Arthur and Douglas in the flight deck
a word: rain
a question: What’s your favourite episode?
5th Gdansk
a missing scene: Previous games of itemised lists
a word: salt
a question: What’s your favourite word game?
6th Helsinki
a missing scene: Arthur’s holiday scheming
a word: gift
a question: Which is your favourite series?
7th Ipswich
a missing scene: Martin and Douglas revising
a word: pool
a question: Who’s your favourite minor character?
8th Johannesburg
a missing scene: Arthur and Martin’s golf buggy conversations
a word: shade
a question: Who is your favourite friendship?
9th Kuala Lumpur
a missing scene: Arthur rehearsing his story for Martin
a word: service
a question: What’s your favourite ship?
10th Limerick
a missing scene: Carolyn and Arthur creating poetry
a word: sunset
a question: What’s your favourite MJN family moment?
11th Molokai
a missing scene: Christmas in Hawaii
a word: cracker
a question: What scene makes you laugh the most?
12th Newcastle
a missing scene: Playing Trivial Pursuit
a word: games
a question: What’s your favourite Herc moment?
13th Ottery St Mary
a missing scene: Martin twisting his ankle
a word: river
a question: What’s a scene you know by heart?
14th Paris
a missing scene: What’s Carolyn up to during all the nonsense?
a word: glass
a question: Which Birling Day is your favourite?
15th Qikiqtarjuaq
a missing scene: Arthur giving bear lectures
a word: facts
a question: How did you get into Cabin Pressure?
16th Rotterdam
a missing scene: Martin practicing his speech
a word: honey
a question: What are your favourite Cabin Pressure fics?
17th St Petersburg
a missing scene: discussing the plan
a word: names
a question: what’s a scene that makes you cry?
18th Timbuktu
a missing scene: Arthur’s preparations for Birling Day
a word: colours
a question: What’s your favourite piece of CP fanart?
19th Uskerty
a missing scene: Herc receiving the sheep
a word: drinks
a question: Do you like anything else by John Finnemore?
20th Vaduz
a missing scene: Carolyn and Theresa meeting
a word: dragons
a question: What’s your favourite Theresa moment?
21st Wokingham
a missing scene: Arthur and Wendy’s adventures
a word: puzzles
a question: If you could change something about CP what would it be?
22nd Xinzhou
a missing scene: Stuck in the traffic jam
a word: waiting
a question: What would your dream CP revival episode be?
23rd Yverdon les Bains
a missing scene: Martin telling Theresa he got the job
a word: capsized
a question: Which part of CP do you find most relatable?
24th Zurich
a missing scene: OJS’ first flight
a word: gold
a question: What does CP mean to you?
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Ottery St. Mary is the best Cabin Pressure episode because for the first time in his life, Arthur gets to call someone else a clot
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so this year i turn 29, which is the age arthur is said to be somewhere in the middle of the cabin pressure episodes (ottery st. mary iirc?), and i am not kidding when i say his apple tossing philosophy changed my life
i’m turning 29, and i first started listening to cabin pressure in 2010 as a baby teenager, before i had ever figured anything out about myself, and i carried this silly little radio show with me into some of the hardest years of my life. i made it out the other side; a little angrier, a lot gayer, but alive
i’m turning 29, and it’s been over a decade since i first heard it, but i still think arthur was so right for the apple tossing
#cabin pressure#arthur shappey#well this was gonna be a silly post but then i got personal whoops#my art
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I saw a post here, about a week ago, pointing out some of the Cabin Pressure references in Good Omens S2. After rewatching s2 and listening to all 27 episodes of Cabin Pressure, here’s a [as far as I’m aware] full list of references below the cut:
1. A Companion To Owls / Abu Dhabi
“Well, technically you can”
“Then technically I will”
In GOs2e2, these lines are spoken by Aziraphale and Crowley respectively. In Cabin Pressure, these lines are said by Martin and Carolyn, who, despite having a very different relationship than Crowley and Aziraphale, are equally good at petty bickering.
2. The Clue / Edinburgh (and many episodes following)
The Talisker Whisky.
In the pub scene in GOs2e2, Crowley orders a large Talisker. In Cabin Pressure, Douglas makes a game of stealing Mr. Birling’s bottle of Talisker every year without Carolyn noticing, which is referenced from Edinburgh onwards. His plots to win become increasingly elaborate over the years.
3. A Companion To Owls / Fitton
“Can I be a blue one?”
“You’re alright, you haven’t annoyed me yet”
“Oh, ok… but can I be?”
Those are the lines spoken in GOs2e2 (again bc John Finnemore, the writer of Cabin Pressure, wrote the minisode) between Jemima and Crowley. This mirrors a line between Carolyn and Arthur (who is equally full of… shall we say, childlike wonder at the world):
“Can I have a pineapple juice?”
“[paraphrased] it’s ok, you’re allowed to have wine”
“Oh, ok… but can I have pineapple juice?”
4. I Know Where I’m Going / Ottery St. Mary
Yellow Car
The Bentley turns yellow in GOs2e3 (yay! One that’s not ep.2!). Arthur plays Yellow Car on many occasions when the crew of MJN Air are in a vehicle that is not airborne. It is unknown if he sticks to the “orange cars are 10 points” rule, but as he doesn’t do points, it seems unlikely.
5. The Ball / Uskerty
“He’s just an angel I know” - Crowley, referring to his definitely-not-boyfriend Aziraphale Zira Fell
“He is a man I know” - Carolyn, referring to her definitely-not-boyfriend Hercules “Herc” Shipwright
#good omens s2 spoilers#good omens#good omens season two#cabin presssure#aziraphale ziraphale fell#anthony janthony crowley#bbc cabin pressure#to anyone who wants to listen to cabin pressure. it’s on soundcloud#despite being a bbc4 radio production it’s not on bbc sounds#because of course. why would it be there#there’s no legal way to listen to it so don’t feel bad for pirating it#not that you should feel bad for pirating anything but that’s a whole other topic
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2, 10 and 20 for the audiodrama asks!
Ooh, thank you!
2. What's a song you associate really strongly with a certain show?
There's Mazurka by Edward Elgar, the theme tune from Bleak Expectations, but I think theme tunes might be cheating. Even so, when I listen to it or play it, I can hear the credits being read over the top!
I can't hear any song with a "have a banana" motif without thinking of the "Xinzhao" episode of "Cabin Pressure", nor can I hear "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines" without remembering the "Ottery St Mary" ("Weasel King Henry? Hedgehog O'Brien!") episode.
But I think the song that will always, always be "Cabin Pressure" for me - because I heard it there first, and it sums up the show, I think - is "Busy Doing Nothing". Here's the first verse:
We're busy doin' nothin', workin' the whole day through,
Tryin' to find lots of things not to do.
We're busy goin' nowhere, isn't it just a crime?
We'd like to be unhappy, but we never do have the time.
10. Recommend a show!
When a tree falls in a forest, and no one's around to hear it...
IT MAKES A SOUND!
I can't stress enough how much I adore this show. It is beautiful and nostalgic and simply delightful. The sound design is just spectacular, and I love the songs!
It helped me process what was happening to my Nan and my Great Auntie when they had dementia in the last years of their lives. It reminds me of countless hours my friends and I spent at school, making music in our lunch breaks and at open evenings.
Set in a declining golf course community with roaming hoardes of feral peacocks, It Makes A Sound is the story of a search for the music that defined a generation, and the power of art to soothe.
20. Which podcast character do you think would have their own podcast in an AU?
I think Ripely from Bleak Expectations would have a podcast in the vein of "Girl Defined" - she's the daughter of a vicar and has a soundbyte for every occasion. I think once she was married she would go down the same path as Bethany, sharing all her tips for How To Be Sexy In A God-Honouring Way. I also think it would be a podcast specifically, not a YouTube channel, because she was famously ugly (spoilers: she just fell into a buffet as a child and God told her father not to remove the food from her face, so she and everyone else thought she actually looked like that) until she was nearly 22. If there was ever a true "face for radio", it was the one belonging to the woman with an extra nose made out of ham.
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What's your favorite episode of Cabin Pressure?
Oooh okay so honourable mentions to fitton (literally medicinal imo) and ottery st mary (obviously iconic, but loses point for “meanness to Arthur” reasons), but I’m going to have to say uskerty I think. Nothing beats “between the dames and the horses sometimes I don’t even know why I put my hat on” <3
Send me “what’s your favourite” asks
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fandot listenalong - December 4th
a question: What’s your favourite episode?
This one is really hard. I have a couple I hold very dear.
Douz to me is the first episode where the main characters really start to get along well with each other, and to appreciate each other.
Fitton has the bath moments philosophy which I just love.
Johannesburg has the Martin-Arthur-roadtrip I love.
Ottery-St-Mary has 100 otters, Yellow Car, Hercolyn, and Douglas being a clot.
Uskerty has Finn McCool the Third, “Love, the airport“, the unforgettable bar scenes with Arthur and Douglas, a lot of lot of lot of bees and geese, Carolyn emphasizing that she feels bad about not being able to pay Martin, and Martin standing up for himself with regard to the ring and the geese.
Vaduz introduces Theresa.
Xingzhou has Arthur building a snowman (twice), the sleepover, all the wonderful interactions that show how close they all are.
Zürich is just the perfect ending.
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What's your favourite scene of Cabin Pressure? Mine's the Teresa medal-giving scene in Vaduz
Thank you for the Cabin Pressure ask! *_*
It's another of my favourite audio drama series, but pretty much nearly every episode makes me laugh.
For me personally, it's got to be the Fizz Buss scene from Xinzhou!
Arthur having to count on his fingers for the odd numbers is kind of relatable haha!
But another favourite scene is the Otter scene in the episode S3 with Ottery St. Mary, and of course, the infamous episode with Finn the sheep and the time Martin got stuck in a tree and stung by bees :)
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Cabin Pressure Advent Day 17: Qikiqtarjuaq
Or, if Arthur had his way, Quikiqutarjuaqu?
Q (because The Name is very annoying to type) is, as I said back in my Boston post, not one of my favorites. And I wish it were, because, like Ottery St Mary (which has its own divisive moments), it has SO many classic bits. The traveling lemon! Le bear polar! Farewell bear facts! From that perspective it's incredible.
But it has a weird tone problem, and to me, the whole thing comes back to Nancy Dean Liebhart.
Yes, yes, it's because she's American and Americans on British sitcoms are never great, fine. But I think in this case it goes beyond that, because a lot of the episode ends up circling around her and her reactions. Martin wants to impress her; Douglas seems to (though it's not explicit) want to piss her off, if it'll mean dinging Martin in the self esteem in the process; Carolyn wants to show her that she doesn't matter. (Arthur, of course, just wants to tell people bear facts. Lovely Arthur.)
To be clear- the Martin-Carolyn plotline would have happened regardless, because he's genuinely pissed about having to cancel a paying job. Their whole scene feels a little bit... almost too much? Like, Carolyn is actually pretty cruel to him in her response to his request, and Martin's rant back to her is almost too pathetic, if that makes sense. It's internally consistent from an emotional standpoint, but it feels out of sync tonally with the rest of the episode- which is one of the reasons why I felt genuine uncomfortable when Douglas wanted to continue the traveling lemon game and Carolyn was like "oh well maybe not"... because Carolyn had just had a serious come-to-Jesus moment with Martin and Douglas was still in his own stupid world about trying to be an asshole.
Because here's the thing. Douglas was SUPER unprofessional throughout. The episode knows this obviously, and acknowledges it outright in the end. There's a power struggle between Martin and Douglas about it, and we've seen that before. But the difference is... I don't think that this one was actually very funny. It just feels like Douglas being a jerk for the sake of it, and then when that ends up involving things like the Bear Polar and Captain du Creff, which are gut-bustingly hilarious, they just go together like chalk and cheese.
To get back to Nancy Dean Liebhart- it's all her fault, in my opinion. She's just not funny, and as I said about Hester Macaulay in Cremona (who I don't think was as bad as this...), she needs to either be really funny or really wrong in order for the hijinks of the plot to work, and she's neither. All of the above conflicts circling around her (entirely reasonable!) complaints, and her weirdly arbitrary decision to pick on Martin about them which of course ends up being the place where the plot starts... it's just uncomfortable because she's basically right but the episode treats her like she's ridiculous.
I'm curious if any British listeners will disagree with me on this- I'm wondering if there's just a British trope of "naggy American woman" that makes this funny in the UK. Maybe some kind of Karen trope, but where it doesn't matter what the complaint is as long as the accent is (mostly) right? I don't know. Nancy is definitely somewhat Karen-y in how she comes across and how she talks to people, but her points are largely valid (and therefore not super funny) and that's fatal for a character like her. It forces us to pay more attention to Douglas's response and how he's being deliberately spiteful specifically to screw with Martin, and to the weirdly intense Martin-Carolyn subplot, and then contrasts it with the nutty Bear Polar subplot and Arthur and his bears, which are all super silly. And it leads to it just being... strange, tonally, and not in a way that I personally like.
Without her, I think a lot of the same things COULD have happened, but they'd have happened on their own terms. We could have seen Martin be annoyed at Douglas for the Hitchcock cabin address and seen that as "Martin being a stickler" rather than "the paying customer being annoyed," and it would have been more like other similar episodes where Martin is the safe pilot and Douglas is the good one. We'd have seen Martin be annoyed about not being paid and having his paying work sabotaged, and maybe even him taking that out on Douglas a bit. And I think it would have de-intensified certain things in a way that would have helped. Nancy Dean Liebhart just fucked with the rhythms of the show and wasn't even funny enough to justify it.
This whole rant makes it seem like I hate the episode, and... I don't, really. There are too many good moments. But I have to watch it with my finger on the "skip" button.
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🎶Looping the loop and defying the ground🎶
#got inpired by today's workshop on Concrete poetry and I couldn't help it#my fave amd beloved#episode: ottery st mary#cabin pressure#Douglas Richardson#Martin crieff#john Finnemore#arthur shappey#roger allam#Benedict Cumberbatch#stephanie cole#carolyn knapp shappey#my art#my edit#art#illustration#mjn air#concrete poetry#graphic#graphics#fandot listenalong 2021
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Sorting Cabin Pressure
I return! Briefly, because tumblr still hates me, and yet triumphant, because I’ve spent the last week re-listening to Cabin Pressure, and I want to talk about sorting the MJN crew. So let’s do some Sorting Hat Chats!
As usual, my view on these characters may not be yours, and if you have different thoughts, I’d love to hear them. :D Discussion spans the entire 27 episodes, so let’s say spoilers just to be safe.
Martin
Despite probably having the biggest, best-defined character arc, I'm finding Martin the main character I'm least set on.
Secondary-wise, I'd say he's definitely a built secondary; very little of Martin's improvisations seem to come comfortable to him. His insistence on doing things right and by-the-book feels fairly Badger, but his ability to be lured into shortcuts and moments of unprofessional behavior feels to me like a Bird who thinks that Badger hard word and toil is the best option. It also seems to fit with the way he becomes calm and confident once something works out for him, and then immediately loses it once things go wrong and he feels unprepared again. The few episodes where he really gets to be confident and succeed particularly feel Bird-y to me: relying on knowledge in Johannesburg especially stand out.
(That said, Badger also seems to ring consistently with the way he handles a lot of things -- his dedication to his job, his hard work, even the way half the time he does get confident, it's either because Douglas isn't there to bring him down, or he seems to be pretending to be him.)
Primary-wise, though, that's where I get tripped up. Not a Snake, I think; even his hesitancy to leave MJN is half about his own goals and issues, not fully founded in caring about others. Badger doesn't quite seem right either -- "being loyal and true to things or people that exist is more important than sticking to grander but more abstract ideals or concepts" does not sound like Martin at all. My first thought was Lion, just one that's still struggling to be as decisive as they usually are -- despite his hesitancy, and his instincts being 'follow the rules written by others', a lot of the Lion stuff seems to apply to him. "They are willing to sacrifice their safety, social harmony, and a certain amount of logic to do what they feel is right." "There is right and there is wrong. Things are black and white. Shades of gray are places where people go to play games, twist the truth, and to be cowards."
But... he does bend the rules, or sit back and let Douglas do so. If nobody who makes him feel like he has to put on the act is there -- see Newcastle and Qikiqtarjuaq -- he'll bend them pretty far. Trying to drop candy on a kids' birthday party (Johannesburg) and lying to a passenger about where they're flying (Timbuktu) levels of far.
So who's around seems to be a big part of it, which maybe could point back in a loyalist direction. I think in the end, though, I'm going to throw up my hands and say, maybe a Bird whose system is in progress from something fairly immature and black-and-white to something more complicated? Martin's devotion to his passion and his job above all else feels pretty Idealist to me, and this seems a little more fitting than him being an extremely malleable Lion.
Douglas
Douglas "at any given moment I never have fewer than seven ulterior motives" Richardson? Douglas "did something clever and now everything's fine" Richardson? Douglas "pretending very hard not to care about anything, actually cares very deeply, but only about specific things and specific people" Richardson? Is there even any point to considering an answer besides double Snake here? Douglas might as well be the model of it. Trickery is his first language. He schemes, charms, adapts, and lucks out in order to achieve anything in his sights, whether that's as small as a relief from boredom or as big as saving the day.
Motivation is trickier -- but it becomes clearer and clearer as time goes on how far Douglas is willing to go to save MJN, and outside his own desires to be the captain again, that seems like the biggest thing that ever drives him. Combine that with his hedonism, and the way he's happy to lie, cheat, and steal to accomplish most other things with no notable guilt or shame, I don't even see hints of a model or structure built over it; the things that matter to him are his own reputation and status (and even that in very specific, particular ways), and saving GERTI and her crew.
(That said, the more I think about it, I do think you could make a solid argument for Douglas as a rapid-fire Bird Secondary. Mostly built around Zurich -- his confession that his confidence started, not just as a mask, but wholesale imitating somebody else. There's also this excerpt from Finnemore's Farewell Bear Facts: "Douglas prefers to hang back, let other people make mistakes, work out the 'something clever' he's going to do in secret, and then present it with a flourish." While that could be Snake-y, I could see it as a Bird's planning working for someone whose very invested in his own reputation. That said, I still think Double Snake seems the most applicable overall.)
Carolyn
Carolyn's drives are a kind of mirror to Douglas', which is interesting to reflect back on. The two things she cares most about are how she's seen, and -- even if she sometimes shows it in her own strange way -- Arthur. Then Douglas and Martin start to rank in there over time, and eventually so does Herc. (Martin moreso than Douglas -- speculation, but I think it's probably because everyone knows Douglas will take care of himself first, so he doesn't need to be worried about so much.) Money matters to her of course, but several times it comes down to show that if money was the most important thing, she'd probably have given up GERTI a long time ago. We get it set out plainly as early as Douz: "Because I am the Chief Executive Officer of MJN Air. It’s a good thing to be. It’s better than... a little old lady."
I think it's possible to read Carolyn as an extremely burned Badger; there's something in how she reacts to her sister that makes me think I can see it. But in general, I'm more inclined to say Snake Primary. One that isn't fully burned -- Arthur's never really out of her circle, I think -- but does have a hell of a time opening up her circle to new people by the time of the series. Just look at the trial Herc goes through before he gets there.
Lion Secondary, I think. She's the immovable object to Douglas' unstoppable force, and Martin is the thing unfortunately trapped between them at times. She's stubborn and honest, hates playing at being nicer than she is and only does it when absolutely necessary, and cares about her rules being followed but not the rules in general so much. She's whip-smart, but she doesn't actually tend to be tricky or slippery in the same way as Douglas -- and in fact, the one time we really see her try to be actively tricky, in Timbuktu, she loses. She's more likely to ignore opposition or tell someone else to solve it, and even when she pulls something, it's usually pretty straight-forward. (For example, calling Hester's fans in Cremona -- it's an underhanded move against someone who's earned her ire, but not really a complicated scheme.)
Arthur
I think Arthur shares his mother's Lion Secondary. He's a force in his own right as much as she is, even if he's more of a tornado to her steel barrier. He's honest to a fault and very much always himself, no matter what the situation, or how much better it might be to try and do something else.
As Primary goes, it's hard to tell if this is just Arthur's optimism shining against everyone else, but my first instinct is Badger. He wants to be helpful, oftentimes too much so, and he likes them so much it tends to be notable when he doesn't like somebody. His focus tends to be the people in front of him at the time, but that does extend to include other people when they're there -- it's not just the crew at all times. While I think it's possible to see him in other lights, Badger seems to make the most sense and work with what we see of his wants through the series.
Herc
While most of the other minor or reoccurring characters don't show up enough for me to have even an idea, I think we do get enough of Herc to narrow it down some, if not make a completely secure conclusion.
My first instinct is that he's yet another Snake Primary in the mix. It works with his role as a foil for Douglas, and with his willingness to give up his position to be with Carolyn by the end of the series. (That said, I feel like his speech on why he's a vegetarian in Ottery St. Mary could point towards Bird Primary as well, and would make sense with everything we see of him.)
He seems straightforward in a way that doesn't line up with a Snake Secondary to me -- that could be a matter of the situations we see him in, but I still just don't see it in his conversations with Carolyn. I'd say maybe a Lion Secondary, in the way the two of them clash and he stands his ground. Bird Secondary also makes sense, but admittedly I'm having trouble pointing to anything specific that made me think so; there's just something in the way his manner bounces off the others, and in the way he seems to almost take on and off All-Knowing Air Captain mode.
In conclusion --
Martin: Double Bird with a Badger Secondary model
Douglas: Double Snake
Carolyn: Snake Primary/Lion Secondary
Arthur: Badger Primary/Lion Secondary
Herc: tentatively Snake Primary/Lion or Bird Secondary
or, as they say in Limerick...
But for Arthur, they're all quite constructed
With the Snakes bickering interrupted
By a worrying Bird
From the Captain's chair heard
Til the newest of Snakes is inducted
Carolyn's Lion is strong and won't coddle
Martin's Bird, leaning against his model
Or the Lion she raised
By the Snake she's unfazed
And thank you all, for reading my twaddle
#sortinghatchats#sorting hat chats#cabin pressure#Sorting Things Out#m: cabin pressure#til binary systems run
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