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#disregarding Sylvie's emotions is disregarding Sophia's acting
brsb4hls · 6 months
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Sylki analysis eps 1 to 5:
Not trusting the the show they will pull up a satisfying solution in 50 minutes (with a ton of other plot) does not mean I'm not rooting for Loki/Sylvie.
I think the path Loki is on can be pretty awesome for me as a Loki fan, so it might be a great ending either way, but I still want a solution to Sylvie's arc.
That Eric Martin interview going around obvi caused some disconnect (with Sylvie hate on the rise again, not a surprise), so it might be worth looking at what we got so far.
Ep. 1
Loki is still shaken up from the evebts at the citadel. He is afraid of the Kang threat, but also hung up on his fight with Sylvie and tries to make sense of it. He didn't want to fight her, he wanted more time.
Their reunion is teased when we see Sylvie in the elvator, and Loki clearly emotionally affected by it.
The ep ends literally with: 'We gotta find Sylvie!'
Ep 2.
Loki goes after X-5 to get info about Sylvie, to find her. The narrative flow still makes srnse here. Sylvie is still one of his top priorities and Loki is even willing to torture to find her. (Preventing the Kang threat is still tied to finding Sylvie of course, but that does not erase Loki's emotional investment.).
When he does find her, that's where the whole thing shifts.
If you look at Sylvie the moment she sees him, you can see that she's shocked, afraid and immediatly pulls her walls up.
She is still very much affected by him, but doesn't let it show ('soft gets you killed' she can't be soft).
Sylvie works with Loki regardless, they combine their magic (after he basically jumped to her side).
After the initial threat that brought them together for this is gone, the drama starts (cause you got to have drama, right?)
Loki wants Sylvie to stay. She doesn't.
And Loki is clearly hurt by that.
Ep. 3
The drama culminates. Loki and Sylvie both want different things. Sylvie still advocates for free will and fighting a threat when it arrives (Victor as a Kang variant), Loki is for control and preventing the threat beforehand.
Sylvie still cares about Loki and challenges him, by asking him: "Do you care about anything but the TVA?"
He could say: "You" and resolve the conflict. But he doesn't, because Loki does not realize that's what she wants to hear, so he steps back and gives her space, thinking it's the right thing.
At that point, they could dance around each other forever.
Ep. 4
The conflict gets adressed. In the pie room scene they both make their opposing view points clear. Loki voices his frustration. He is clearly pissed when he assumes Sylvie takes the "easy" way. That's not what he hoped for.
He wanted her to work out the "hard" way with him together.
"We are Gods". Both of them. Sylvie also has a responsibility.
Sylvie does not argue that point. Or run.
She ponders and follows Loki out of the room a bit later.
Ep. 5
Further adressing of the conflict. Sylvie still argues in favor of free will. She does care about the variants and wants them to thrive on their time lines, she is not as emotionally attached to them and can be more neutral.
Loki has formed emotional attachement.
So he does care in a more selfish way.
They still don't resolve the issue, because Loki only admits his desire to be with his friends and doesn't include Sylvie. And it hurts her.
She tries to be neutral, to encourage Loki to write his own destiny, but the way face falls is truely hard to watch. In the end she can't keep her wall up anymore.
She reflects at the record store. If she didn't care about Loki she would not have needed to soothe herself with music.
The song, similar to "kozmic blues" at the end of 2x2, is about losing everything and being free (but possibly able to get back on one's feet again). But it's a blues. It is a sad way of living.
Sylvie does not want to get attached to avoid hurt. But she is not happy with that.
When she realizes the tva's failsafe kicking in, she goes straight to Loki to help again. That's a constant in the whole second season. Sylvie does not want to control, but she also does not want people to die.
She always helps, but in a neutral way, opposed to Loki's approach.
There is a weight to Loki's and Sylvie's interactions in 2x5.
She is the last one he seeks out, because she is a) important to him and b) he dreads the emotional fall out.
Sylvie is also the last one to dissolve and the first Loki slips back to.
The last soundbit he hears is her question: " What makes a Loki a Loki?"
Both of them are Lokis and will have to figure that out.
He manages to control his slipping because if her and then realizes he is able to focus on all of the people he cares about, hence the 360° turn he takes, that lands back on Sylvie.
So logically, 2x6 should finally resolve the conflict, adress their emotions and have Sylvie learn to trust Loki.
They would work together and balance each other out as different aspects of the same personality.
So it does make sense.
The disconnect imo stems from the fact, that some straight men of a certain age don't know how to fucking communicate properly, so their characters don't know either.
It could still end in drama, but Sylki endgame would still make sense narrativly. The narrative is just pretty damn bumpy.
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lostglassguitars · 3 years
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Hey everyone.
Bet you didn’t follow me to hear me talk about Loki, but here we are. It’s time to hear how I feel. Spoilers beneath the cut, as always.
First off; I loved Kang. I sincerely, purely loved him. I was pleased seeing him, I liked how he was doing his own thing.
Secondly; INCREDIBLE acting. Purely phenomenal shit. The eyes that Tom Hiddleston and Sophia Di Martino were able to do that purely just conveyed every heartbreaking emotion underneath was breathtaking. You could see their inner turmoil through every piece of the episode and I loved it. Heartbreak? Don’t know ‘em.
Owen Wilson and Gugu Mbatha-Raw were incredible as well. Mobius’ confrontation with Ravonna was tense and filled with his compassion and hope for better and Ravonna’s stubborness to get what she wanted in the end, and her final words before she walked through the gateway sent little shivers down my spine.
All in all; the acting was phenomenal. Kang was such a delight to watch; his disregard and unconcern punctured by moments of desperation and brief, sizzling anger was honestly a show to watch, along with his casual attitude. I loved him. I loved the other actors. They’re all amazing.
Okay. Now we get deeper.
Overall, the finale was not... good. At least, in my opinion.
I feel a great way to look at this would be to compare this to Wandavision, as the two will probably be involved in similar issues in the future of the MCU.
Wandavision had a conclusion. The story had a way to end that arc and show, while leaving bits and pieces open to spiral into a new thing, keeping us on our toes while also feeling fulfilled, knowing that it had ended for the time, that there was more to come, that the characters had prevailed for the moment, even if evil was still lingering.
This finale did not. Not only was there basically no good action whatsoever, something that Marvel has done for a long, long time and is a rather central piece to the universe, but there was no close or finish. And while I acknowledge it will be in preparation for Season 2, which I will expand on later, there was endless talking, barely punctured by Loki and Sylvie fighting for less than I had expected.
Kang talked. And talked. There was too much waiting, and while I understand the importance of tension, there was too little. Silence filled the void where there should’ve been something more.
Now, onto things that are slightly more positive/complimenting
Mobius and B-15 were doing something. I have basically no criticism about their parts they played, it was good to see them working together to free the workers of the TVA.
The fight/talk between Loki and Sylvie was very good. I liked it. The way Loki was trying to get her to actually just wait a minute and talk with him is something I unfortunately relate to.
And the kiss... several episodes ago I would’ve been a lot more upset. I understand it was a way for Sylvie to get him away from her with Kang’s device, but either way, I accepted last episode that I would have no control over this, that it’s more about self-acceptance and love more than anything, and that, in the end, this is all just fiction, and nothing matters. No, I’m not depressed, why would you ask.
The ending made me really damn upset, though. It hurts a lot. Loki doesn’t get a break. If you remember, this takes place DIRECTLY after Avengers. Only a few days ago, probably, Loki got away with the Tesseract after losing to the Avenger, found out he wasn’t meant to exist, and shoved into this situation with barely any other explanation.
And it hurts after knowing he made two friends, who he liked and trusted; Sylvie, who he cares about so deeply, and Mobius, his friend, who chose to trust his word and was going to take the TVA down for him, and Sylvie betrayed him by pushing him away, and now Mobius doesn’t even remember him. The angst is oncoming forever. I feel horrible for him
And then we have the second season.
Which at this point, I await, but I won’t hold my breath for. While interested to see the direction they’ll take the show in, I have to say I’ve drawn back a little from the idea. Excited for it? Yes. Awaiting it? Not... necessarily.
“Did you actually like the finale, though?” one might ask. Well, meh. Very in the middle. It felt rushed, and didn’t leave me satisfied.
Though I will revert to what I said before; this is fiction. In the end, I have no control over a multi-million dollar corporation who makes stories up for money, and I need to accept that.
For now, I linger in the depths with my fellow writers, fixing this with fanfiction.
Mad respect to the actors, though, I really appreciate them more than they could ever know for doing this so well.
And that’s a wrap, folks. I will now go see what others are thinking.
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