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Thoughts and observations on universal calligraphy applied on neography.
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Tips for making an orthography?
I should probably make a PSA about asks of this sort, it's hard to answer and I'd rather not spend a whole post about it rather than say it in DMs or @ the person who asked at @conlangcrab, yet here I am talking to an anon without such possibility.
Depends on what you mean and what you need.
An orthography per definition is a set of conventions for spelling phonetic information via graphemes (the symbols of a given script). Some orthographies are phonetically consistent, others are not.
Here's an example for an English orthography I made just now:
Ysc-Orthosci /aɪ̯s ʊɹˈθʊsɪ/
An orthography depends on A) Phonetic inventory of the language and B) The script's limitations.
The Latin alphabet is only 26 letters, and boy there are more sounds than there are letters. There are three ways to solve this problem:
Positional phonetic alteration, when a letter is pronounced differently depending on its position in the word.
Diacritics, additional markings on the letter itself that alter the pronunciation, like carons, macrons, circumflexes, umlauts et cetera.
Digraphs/multigraphs, when several letters are seen as one phonetic unit. Think English "th" in "the"; There's one sound, but two letters to represent it.
The more letters there are, the easier is the spelling due to them covering more sounds - that allows for greater correspondence between what's written and its pronunciation. Some languages, like the Slavic family, written Hawaiian, Japanese/Korean, have high correspondence, others have not (English, and lord have mercy, French).
That is applicable, though, only if the script is representing phonetic values directly and isn't hieroglyphic. In Chinese, a single symbol can be read several different ways in one dialect, not talking about other dialects.
In conclusion: The more letters you have, the easier the spelling will be. But that will take away some of the spice of a language; I find French, German, and English spelling to be quite fabulous, and Gaelic? Just marvelous, with all the tricky rules of writ and pronunciation.
But please, if you are sending asks like that either ask them in DMs or without an anonymous option; I would prefer not to make a whole script just to answer an ask, since the amount of posts on this blog is equal to the amount of neographies I've created in my life.
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Someone please stop me from creating a megascript with 551 880 total letters.
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I love doing this stupid thing, so-
I generated a list of 2390 three-letter "words" for a theoretical engineered conlang.
This doc is in free access. You can come and give a dictionary definition to any word you want. The words are spelled following IPA pronunciation, thus <j> = /j/ for example.
Let project
Aba'abe
begin.
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Believe it or not I'm back on the bullshit grind.
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So I thought of script evolutions.
You know, first there was pictographic - you write pictures and basically charade your way through. Like writing in emojis by reading only the initial letter of what the emoji represents, 🦵🍦🦘👂 👅🔨🍦🎷.
Then the letters evolve and lose their attachment to the pictographic nature (like Proto-Sinaitic -> Phoenician -> Ancient Greek/Latin).
But what if it went elsewhere, like in hieroglyphic scripts?
Say they invented a way of writing, first pictographic, then alphabetic, and with alphabetic, they wrote-out words Hangeul style in one letterspace, STYLING them to look pictographic.
Or worse, a number system appearing earlier than a writing system, and someone using it to write down stuff by counting sounds in words and then specifying further what the thing is.
Banana -> 6 sounds sequence, 3 sounds general, idk, fruit similar to the number 7. 637.
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-> Sees people being impressed about @bismuth-gieko 's vowel count in one of their conlangs.
-> Remembers I had an idea about vowel rich conlangs and decides to one-up the stakes.
-> Opens Google Docs
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to be damn honest
people will see this formation of dots in any neographic script and will instantly go "WOAWHH, SO TENGWAR-ESQUE".
tengwar brainrot is so fucking strong in these people on r/neography, gods
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ENGLISH PATCH NOTES
New feature: The Bnnuy Mutation
Any word that has a -uCCy formation at the end now can be mutated into -CCuy form.
Bunny -> Bnnuy
Funny -> Fnnuy
Furry -> Frruy
Hurry -> Hrruy
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There's something magical about asemic scripts being used as fillers in fiction. Carrying meaning in-story, but being gibberish in reality.
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Has anyone ever given real names fictional etymology to give them some plausibility in a fantasy world? To give an example from something I did, the name Luke means light in the real world, but I gave it a different meaning: derived from the archaic words âleu (cheerful, joyous) and ękâuei (archaic form for kâui meaning spirit, soul).
So it means cheerful spirit in the fictional etymological context.
It evolved somewhat like this: Âleukę -> Âleuke -> Leuke -> Luke
I once knew a furry worldbuilder who had an idee-fix on making just that for like, normal-ass real-life names for his fictional world (in which he wanted to play seasoned and reflavored D&D in with friends).
He did some backwards etymology evolution like this for names like Christian, Jesus and stuff, giving them new meanings entirely based on soundalikes and homonyms combined with the power of wiktionary.org.
If I remember correctly "Chris" in his setting came from ancient word for "create", and the derivative names "Christian" and "Christopher" were something like "creating blue dye" and "creating glue", thus, "blue dyemaker" and "gluemaker".
But to be honest? I f'cking love that.
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Again interested in making theoretical megascripts.
Let's assume we have 4 dots. There are 6 possible lines we can connect them with. If we consider this a system, we already have 2^6 possible symbols, which is 64.
Something like this:
But here's the twist:
Same layout, but with 4 extra dots that can be ONLY CONNECTED between each other (red+black pairs are unacceptable). Thus we get Symbols like this:
And the total possible amount of those is (2^6)^2=4096
Of course there will be a couple symbols that repeat, so it's a bit less than that number.
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In a conlang shitpost I'm working on there's 4 cases of animacy:
animate
inanimate
no-longer-animate (necrotive)
abstract
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Linguistic Theseus Ship Theory
Languages evolve with mutation - replacement of old words with new pronunciations, new grammatical constructs. Replace all words in a language - is it still the same language? Is an English Relex just English? Is English with alternated grammar still English?
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Man, istg Aba'abe is almost done. At this point all that's needed is just filler between the definitions that are already there. Like, 75% of the doc are filled out.
75%
I gave some definitions and will add some daily, but please I BEG you guys don't leave yet, all of these are gems.
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Conlang Shenanigans
EPISODE #2: OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE
thats 17 vowel... 21 with allophones
thats it i just wanted to show u my 17 vowels :3
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