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drconstellation · 4 months

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Chiastic Structure of S1

Here it is!

Yes, I deliberately made it detailed. You NEED to see the detail, it is, quite frankly, eye-opening in parts.

If the image I have posted is not clear, let me know, and I'll post a broken-down version in sections so you can read it. I'm just not sure how this is going to work.

I've got five footnotes for various sections where I want to make extra comments, so see them below.

If you don't know why some of us are looking into this - a chiastic structure or pattern a literary device where a sequence of events is presented then repeated in reverse order. For a complicated story like Good Omens this can and does gives us some interesting insights into the hidden stories we meta writers like to speculate on and discuss.

I have to admit it got a bit messy in places, so there still might be some tweaking to do in the middle parts.

The plain parallels still exist - I have a couple to mention in the footnotes. I'm also very excited about taking this challenge on because I've basically found proof that backs up my theory about the scene at Tadfield Manor telling part of the story of the Great War in Heaven, and also proof that the Flood may have been the time of their first "vavoom."

[1] M-pair: When Newt turns up to his new job there is an office meeting called and the upcoming "training initiative" is discussed. This then leads on to the paintball fight at Tadfield Manor. I discussed how the two scenes give us an insight into the past and the Great War in two metas, The Great War of Tadfield Manor, and The Newton/Crowley Mirror-Parallel in S1. The mirror-pair here is Dagon is rousing the troops with reminders of the "Glorious Revolution," providing us with a direct connection to the events of Tadfield Manor.

[2] Q-pair: This is a really interesting pair, as as it is still tied in with Tadfield Manor. Does it give us any insights into Crowley's role in the Great War and his Fall? I'll be looking more closely at this in the future!

[3] There is an interesting set of parallels around this area that didn't quite fit into the chiastic structure proper that I though was worth mentioning and I have already flagged for a meta before I had finished plotting this out. It's to do with Newt and Anathema and the prophecies in the book - oh, and the Velvet underground reference. Actually, I really need more space for that...you'll have to wait for the meta, sorry.

[4] Ohhh yeah. This one. The Vavoom moment. I wondered if the sex under the bed between Newt and Anathema would reveal anything. It certainly did! If you haven't read @vidavalor's meta about the first time they probably kissed, then you should. Stat! This pair backs it up - and maybe more.

[5] There is a parallel noted here that doesn't fit in the structure, that Crowley signs to start everything rolling, and Aziraphale signs to end it.

On to S2. Then I'll see if I can work a three-series structure together for some predictions.

Link to S2 Chiastic Structure Post.

@aprilodite @kayleefansposts @ineffable-endearments @sendarya

#good omens #good omens meta #chiastic structure

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komorezuki · 2 months

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The statue as a CLUE and The Resurrectionist

Lets take a sip of cocoa again and rewatch the episode 3 again. I will not draw more attention to the suitcase and Bentley and so on, there are many metas about it. Lets talk about visitors and locations.

At first, what do we know about the graveyard:

Crowley knows this place (may be a fluke). Maybe he was going to tell Azi more if they weren't interrupted by Elspeth. And he insisted on a midnight that wasn't neccessary for staring at the statue.

Gabriel knows this place (which is expected but anyway)

This is the place where plot about sin and poverty and especially afterlife happened (still seems legit)

The only time Crowley fell down into earth. We don't know if Hell did it or someone else, but it still is the only time, even though doing good is a base of their Arrangement.

Cross on the statue is removable

What do we know about the pub:

Brielzebub's date was here (but they haven't been here before - Gab didn't see a jukebox and they both dont know how to behave)

A highy suspicious "mason lodge" next door.

...and Beelzebub is looking like a lodge member.

Pub owners somehow know how that surgeon looked - they have put his picture on a sign.

This is Azi cosplaying a newspaperman. His first question after the barman recognizes Gab is "Was he alone"? Not a "tell me more" or "When did that happen?". He asks about one particular detail. Okay. Gab was with "just another mason". And look at the Azi's reaction:

He has definitely realized something.

"We often get them in here. There's a lodge next door". We all know WHO did barman mistook for a mason. And he is saying that often gets them in there?? Also note that barman sees masons regularly, he definitely should know how human masons must look. Beelzebub really looks similar, but not the same. Barman should have noticed a difference, but he doesn't. Well, the non-human being who is similar to a mason accidentally visits a pub next door a "lodge"? Lmao.

Remember the quote on the matchbox. "Out of his mouth go burning temps, and sparks of fire leap out"

Wait....

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And I have got a good idea from @drconstellation after her reblog. Her point is that trip to Edinburgh is a mirror of the Crowley's trip to Heaven. But I am disagreeing a bit with a part "both involved Gabriel..." Let's mirror more. Demon goes to Heaven and this trip is related to Gabriel. Angel goes to Edinburgh and this trip is related to...other side. He knows something about mason-like beings, and perhaps he realized who that mason friend really was.

Demon Crowley deals with the angel Gabriel. Angel Aziraphale deals with the demon Beelzebub.

Demon Crowley goes to Heaven. Angel Aziraphale goes to ???????????????

Deads leaving their graves are the red thread running through the entire season. The Resurrectionist (Jesus or Dalrymple), 25 lazarii ("how many times it could have brought someone back from the dead"), a bodysnatching, the "resurrection" of Job's children, zombie nazis (god why), the Second Coming. And these dates on the cemetery.

My suggestion is that cemetery is a kinda strategically important object related to deads. Maybe a starting point where "zombie apocalypse" the Second Coming begins. Then some archons should take care of them. What if the lodge of "masons" is a demonic nest who kinda guard the place? And Azi knows all of that. That's why he needs to go to Edinburgh in person. That's why he goes to the cemetery. There must be a reason why he calls from here...

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melbatron5000 · 4 days

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Good Omens Season 2 Chiastic structure

Inspired by @drconstellation I am working on a chiastic structure for the second season.

I'm not done yet, but there are already some things I've noticed.

When Gabriel first arrives and says, "You're funny, I love you," Aziraphale stops himself from saying "I love you" back -- because he doesn't, and it's not a secret that he doesn't. In the Final Fifteen, after the Big Damn Kiss, Aziraphale also stops himself from saying "I love you," but this time because he DOES, but it is a secret that he does.

Directly mirroring Gabriel bringing something to Aziraphale so something terrible doesn't happen to him (but he forgets) is Crowley giving something to Aziraphale so something terrible doesn't happen to him, Aziraphale. There's been a lot of speculation as to what Crowley could have passed to Aziraphale, and I thought it was the fly and now I'm sure. Gabriel fails to give Aziraphale the fly and whatever is in it, Crowley succeeds.

The middle point is Shax confronting Crowley about Gabriel being in the book shop, and then confronting Aziraphale about Gabriel being in the book shop. Okay, Shax Closes In is the middlest bit -- what does that mean? If we assume that Crowley and Aziraphale are hiding something besides Gabriel, we get two tidbits: That Shax is looking for something besides Gabriel, as evidenced by her question to Crowley on the bench at St. James park -- got anything for me? And she asks about Crowley sharing anything he gets from his contact in the book shop. Whatever she's after, it's something Heaven and an angel would know about. Jesus, perhaps? Gabriel is a side-mission for her. She's after Jesus, and Crowley and Aziraphale are hiding her. The middlest bit is Shax Getting Too Close.

I'll be sure to post the finished chiastic structure once I have it all figured out!

#good omens #good omens 2 #crowley #aziraphale #good omens meta #ineffable husbands #good omens analysis #good omens fan theory #ineffable mystery #chiastic structure #chiastic structure of good omens 2

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justhereforthemeta · 4 months

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The Second Coming...of Agnes Nutter?

Come with me, and you’ll be In a world of GO speculation…

This is a meta-flavored GO Season 3 speculation post. Not to sound overconfident - I’m no Agnes, and these stray thoughts are decidedly not reminiscent of Nostradamus at his best - but DO NOT TAG NEIL, please and thank you kindly.

I’m rewatching season one, and couldn’t help but notice some interesting details about the depiction of Agnes Nutter and her death in S1E2. While a common line of speculation is that Jesus’ Second Coming in S3 will somehow mirror Adam Young’s story as the Antichrist, there are enough potential parallels, mirroring, and inversions in elements of Agnes’ story that I’m now wondering if we should instead be looking to her for clues about what Season 3 will hold.

I’ll also note that, unlike many wonderful meta authors on this site, my knowledge of Christian theology is limited to what I’ve picked up culturally. That said, I beg the reader’s forgiveness in advance for any errors or mischaracterizations in the commentary below.

@aprilodite and others have written about a possible chiastic story structure at work in S2, and potentially over both S1 and S2. So as I run though these points, I’m also looking for things that might have mirrors over the course of S3.

The S1E2 ‘flashback’ to 1656 ends with Agnes’ daughter Virtue and her husband John receiving their bequest: a box (later revealed to Anathema and Newt to contain the second book of prophecy) and a book (The Nice and Accurate Prophecies themselves). Working backwards within a presumed chiastic storytelling structure, we could have already been introduced to the mirrors of these items over the course of S2. There are two candidates for the box: the first, obviously, is Jimbriel’s box, which may or may not have been heavier when he started carrying it than when it arrived at the bookshop containing nothing but a fly. The other candidate might be Aziraphale’s briefcase, contents unknown, which he appears to leave behind to Edinburgh in S2E3. And of course, S2 introduces us to the Book of Life, which seems to contain information pertaining to the past (possibly names, or memories, or events relating to beings’ having never existed), mirroring Agnes’ book of obscure knowledge about the future.

Agnes is accused of witchcraft partly as a consequence of helping her neighbors (curing their poxes, dispensing health advice, and so forth). Watching the crucifixion in S1E3, Crowley notes that execution is a characteristically human reaction to Jesus’ injunction: “Be kind to each other.”

Like the Biblical Jesus, Agnes knows about her death in advance and goes to meet it willingly. In doing so:

She brings death-by-explosion-and-roofing-nails to those around her (inverting a promise of eternal life).

She uses her execution as a teachable moment: “And let my death be a message to the world. Come. Come, gather thee close I say, and mark ye well the fate of those who meddle with such as they do not understand.” Her words can be read as: in killing me, you meddle with the ineffable, and in so doing you doom yourselves. This could be a potential mirror to, or inversion of, something a returned Jesus might say in S3: you (humanity) killed me, thus meddling with the ineffable (or doing what She had planned all along?), but you have been forgiven.

#good omens #good omens speculation #good omens season 3 speculation #good omens meta #good omens 2 #good omens 1 #agnes nutter #the second coming #crowley #aziraphale #chiastic structure #good omens analysis #adam young

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vpgoldenrod · 4 months

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I’d like to share a short story I stumbled onto while reading Fragile Things by Neil Gaiman.

#guy’s been fuckin with chiastic story structure for ages #love how Aziraphale and Crowley are one in the same #good omens #good omens 2 #amazon prime video #aziraphale #crowley #neil gaiman #fragile things #fragile things Neil Gaiman

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raayllum · 10 months

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like truly two of the wildest viren-callum parallels are still, to this day

1) Viren’s re-birthday being Callum’s literal birthday because the story is just that insane about this foils bond

2) Viren and Callum both asking someone (Soren in 1x06, Rayla in 4x07) who’s sworn to protect the proposed target to kill Callum to keep things from tipping the wrong way

#the frame by frame in 4x01 too #like arc 1 was arguably about contrast (hence why viren falls & callum flies)#and arc 2 is about similarity / them switching places #callum taking more of viren's arc on (arguing with his brother-king? an unclear path?) and viren taking more of callum's arc on #(dark magic dream visions)#it's so close to be chiastic structure #aaravos being callum's metaphorical death while he's viren's salvation mmm #theme: duality #wouldn't you want to tell it kinder if you could #it was just red #tag ramble #thinking about if viren defects in S5 and if kpp'ar is in the coin like callum having #two former dark mage mentors to ward him away from repeating their mistakes but like. the Cycle goes on y'know?#edit: also honestly another point in the 'rayla will save callum' column given that soren ended up saving ezran

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itspileofgoodthings · 1 year

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no one:

absolutely no one:

me: but is midnights chiastic in structure with the songs perfect flipsides/mirror images of each other with Question …? holding steady at the center

#taylor swift #midnights #I mean no. but also yes.#think about it. lavender haze/mastermind are opposites. so are maroon and sweet nothing #ANTI-HERO AND KARMA?????????#right??? anyway #a phrase I love to say is ‘chiastic in structure’ and then move on with my day

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turanga4 · 1 year

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fic writer asks! 🌈

Ooh ooh ooh I LOVE THIS QUESTION THE MOST.

Cute emoji ask game here.

🌈is there a fic that you worked *really fucking hard on* that no one would ever know? maybe a scene/theme you struggled with?

Yes. But @evesaintyves knows, because she is Writing Coach and Finest Beta.

Mysteries kicked my arse.

Like, not even a normal amount of arse-kicking. It was a knock-down, drag-out, fight fight fight, start to fucking finish, every single word like a tooth pulled from the back of my jaw. I started, I stopped, I gave up, I restarted, it seriously took at least 20 hours and it's....less than a thousand words. I had no idea how to make my ideas even remotely cohesive, I did some really stoopid things with figurative language, I struggled mightily with tense and time. I got such excellent suggestions and they all pissed me off because acting on them would mean working harder than I ever had before in a fic. Indulge me for a moment as I share a screenshot from the beta doc:

Ultimately, this is one of the pieces I'm proudest of, a thing I learned the most from. So...it was all so very worth it. But...whoa.

#ask game #harry potter fan fiction #hellz yeah chiastic structure #thanks eve

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officialyourdailyinspiration · 2 years

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by David Schrock | When I preached through the Five Books of the Psalms a few years ago, I began to see chiasms as “literary mountains” (see below). Which is to say, just as mountains in the Bible serve as meeting places with God, so chiastic structures (literary mountains) do the same. Because chiasms put...

#David Schrock #Three Literary Mountains: Seeing the Chiastic Structures of John 7 #davidschrock.com

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ineffable-endearments · 4 months

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So...if GO follows a chiastic structure, what do we think is the center of the chiasm?

Er, I guess we could potentially have many, with the way the story features the historical flashbacks. You can arrange everything in the exact narrative order it's told or you could look at it all in chronological order. I have a hunch the centers of each will line up to be the same, but I'm too sleepy to wrap my brain around it entirely right now.

Anyway, what's the center?

I believe the literal exact center of the series based on run time would be around Season 2, at the end of Episode 3 or beginning of Episode 4. Crowley refusing to let Shax into the bookshop? Aziraphale unwillingly picking up Shax in the Bentley? Aziraphale accidentally revealing where Gabriel is? In other words, Hell locating Gabriel - Hell discovering Heaven's lost piece? This doesn't seem, on its surface, to be the most dramatically satisfying moment on which the universe could turn. But it has to do with safe spaces, stolen knowledge, and Aziraphale and Crowley dancing around each other (both trying to keep the other safe, but failing).

Additionally, at this central point in the story, both Crowley and Aziraphale are dealing with representatives from each other's Sides that they don't like. Aziraphale is trying not to tell Shax anything, but is dragged into it because she won't leave him alone and catches him off-guard. Crowley is angelsitting Gabriel/Jim and begins to threaten him, but realizes it's too late to avoid harm coming to Aziraphale because of this whole issue.

Other options that feel a little more dramatically enticing that I've been thinking of:

The halo explosion? The Ball in general? Gabriel and Beelzebub's reunion? Crowley giving Muriel The Crow Road? (The original giver of knowledge handing an angel a book about a young man struggling with his family and sense of faith?) The kiss?

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drconstellation · 1 month

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Detective Aziraphale

Aziraphale's Edinburgh Journey: Part 1

This is the beginning of a series of posts focusing on Aziraphale's trip to Edinburgh in S2. Several times people have asked why he even had to make the trip - why didn't he just email the pub to ask his questions? Ah, thinking like true child of the 21st century, you are! In a narrative sense, its not that simple, especially in the GO narrative where there are always parallels to be found to enhance the story. And I think there a couple of other reasons why its been hard to understand the reason for this drawn-out and apparently dead-end investigation, which haven't really been explored or talked about much yet. We will start to look at one of them in this meta.

I mentioned a while ago when I was putting together the S2 Chiastic structure that I was hoping to find some hints to the purpose of the trip to Edinburgh. What it did reveal was that the trip was a larger parallel to Crowley's trip to Heaven with Muriel in S206. This is pair S; where the publican in the Resurrectionist asks Aziraphale if he one those investigative reporters in S203, matched with Crowley bounding up to Muriel at the end of S2E5 and declaring "Officer, I need to report a crime."

Both Crowley and Aziraphale have fantasy alternative personas. Most of us are familiar with Crowley's James Bond role-playing from time to time and other hints of tough masc characters he sees in films.

When he dons the "tactical turtleneck" we know there is some kind of super-spy power cosplay going on (and it also extends to other characters, such as Gabriel and Saraqael, if you pay close attention.) Hence why it's part of his costume when he infiltrates Heaven.

But we don't often see this wishful side of Aziraphale's, other than his dream of being a magician. According to Neil, he also sees himself as a journalist, a detective and a "man of the world." *

The publican asks Aziraphale if he is one of those "investigative reporters" when he arrives at the Resurrectionist, and sometimes that is the dual role of a journalist, to be both a detective and a reporter.

Crowley has gone upstairs to gain access Gabriel's record, the one place he can do that.

Aziraphale also gets hold of Gabriel's record...er, recorded song.

Hang on, no. That's not right way to look at it, actually.

While you might think the focus is still on finding out about Gabriel in Edinburgh, Aziraphale's mirror in S2 is Beelzebub, so there is a slight twist in the way we need to consider various aspects here.

Perhaps this should be "Aziraphale gets a hold of Beelzebub's music" instead, because he's really going to Edinburgh to find out more about Beelzebub, he just doesn't realize it.

Yep, you heard me right. The trip to Edinburgh is not a fact-finding mission about Gabriel, its actually a fact-finding mission about Beelzebub. And he doesn't get the answers he needs.

Neither does Crowley, by the way.

GABRIEL: I told you you could ask. However, I am the only First-Order archangel in the room, or, you know, the Universe, so I'm not gonna answer so much. But you feel free to knock yourself out with all the asking. Anyway, Armageddon the Sequel, that's a nah.

Crowley wonders out aloud why Gabriel changed his mind about starting another Armageddon, but the trial doesn't really answer that either. Nothing is really answered until Gabriel regains his memories, in the end.

To round out this post about the parallel investigations, each of them take an opposite with them, that they couldn't have got there without: Crowley takes an angel (Muriel) and Aziraphale takes a demon. Well, something demonic, anyway. **

Thank you to @komorezuki for pointing out that the trip to Edinburgh was really about Beelzebub. While you could still do this post making it a full Gabriel parallel, in the long run it makes more sense to look at the other way, as I hope to show you in the forthcoming posts.

*I thought I had a link to the post that this came from, then lost it. I've spent several hours trying to find it again with no luck, so if you know the post I'm referring to please let me know so I can link it!

**I've read that Aziraphale could have taken the train in less time it would have taken to drive, and that the train station is only a short walk from the pub etc. But this wouldn't have driven the narrative!

This series continues in the following posts:

Part 2: Aziraphale-Beelzebub Parallels Part 3: Stocktaking in the Basement Part 4: Judgement Day Part 5: I Know Where I'm Going

#good omens #good omens 2 #good omens meta #crowley #aziraphale #gabriel #beelzebub #edinburgh #chiastic structure #tactical turtleneck

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melbatron5000 · 2 days

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The Metatron

Don't ask Neil about any of my theories, please and thank you!

I'm working on the chiastic structure of Good Omens 2 right now, and man, the parallels are weird.

Big events or scenes that you would expect to have mirrors on the opposite time stamp do not, but little words, phrases, and images do. Like when Crowley rings the bell to say he's back? That moment's exact time-stamp opposite is Aziraphale ringing the bell in the book shop for quiet. What the hell?

You know what else has a weird opposite?

When Crowley asks if they can't talk in the book shop because there's a naked man there, and when the Metatron walks into the book shop for the first time.

They can't talk in the book shop at the end because the Metatron is there.

Wait, the Metatron is a naked man?

Oh hell yes.

Let me go on.

My first thought was The Emperor Is Naked, and I think that's a layer here. The Metatron is wearing what he thinks are amazing clothes and everyone else is going along with it because they're afraid of him? Yep, that tracks.

I know what you're thinking, but my story gets better.

Terry Pratchett has said something along the lines of humans being the place where the falling angel meets the naked ape. He's said it in several places, but most notably in the book Hogfather, one of my favorites. But he also said that he would rather be a naked ape than a falling angel.

Hm. So is the Metatron . . . human?

But Neil said in reply to a Tumblr ask that the Metatron in the Good Omens was never human. Hmmmm.

Okay, yes, you know what else Neil said?

Lucifer doesn't exist in the Good Omens universe. Because when he fell, he changed into Satan, The Adversary, and now that's all there ever was. Lucifer the angel is gone.

The Metatron was never human. When Enoch, the human, became the Metatron, Enoch was ended and now there is only the Metatron. And the Metatron was never human.

Bingo.

Now, what springs to mind there is the phrase "only human." The Metatron may not be human, but that's his original stock.

This guy can be beaten.

And I think Crowley has given Aziraphale the information to do it.

#good omens #good omens 2 #crowley #good omens meta #aziraphale #ineffable husbands #good omens analysis #good omens fan theory #ineffable mystery #good omens the metatron #good omens lucifer #good omens satan #good omens crackpotting #good omens parallels #good omens chiastic structure #my brain is spinning and it won't stop

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andsomemaniacgotridofthewheel · 7 months

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Good Omens Theories

My Personal General Speculations:

There will be a second kiss between Aziraphale & Crowley, if only to make up for the violent nature of the first one.

Aziraphale & Crowley will absolutely NOT be having sex or be revealed to have had sex in the past, both neither implied nor explicitly. I mean have you ever listened to anything Neil Gaiman ever said about them. And also that's what fan-fiction is for.

There will be no apology dances that relate to the final fifteen. (Past ones like the one in 1941 are fair game, also present ones if they're about something else, like Crowley leaves the toilet seat up or Azirphale dents the Bentley.)

There will be a 1941 Flashback Part III (I mean something is clearly missing so far).

Crowley's angel name will only be revealed if it becomes plot relevant. (But if you tag speculation about it judgmentally with "deadname" I'm blocking you on sight.)

Season 3 will end in the garden of their South Downs cottage, possibly with a nightingale singing.

Theories I like/believe are closer than anyone elses:

The Magic Trick Theory*

-> Similar but with Time Loops

Crowley is up to something in 2x02

Crowley was Raphael** (see notes & entries under "Angel Names", I think Crowley was probably Kokabiel. Not sure if the latter is really going to be important, though.)

Aziraphale is Raphael** (see "Angel Names" section, entry "Israfil")

Theories I dislike and/or don't believe in:

The Coffee-Theory***

The Body Swap Theory****

Aziraphale was acting under duress and sending secret signals during the Final Fifteen***

Crowley was Raphael (see above)

Crowley was Lucifer (Thankgod Neil already pulled the plug on that one.)

Adam is Jesus (He is the literal ANTI-christ!)

Crowley was Mary Magdalene (I mean he surely tempted Jesus with more than just all the kingdoms of the world, if ya know what I mean, and I genuinely hope that will lead to interesting situations in season 3, but that doesn't automatically mean he was Mary Magdalene.)

Mine:

No, I am not letting this miracle / box thing go.

Important Clues / Props / Rules:

Crowley's changing sideburns (& more in-depth)

Crowley's changing sunglasses

Bookshop Clock Time Skips

Clocks and Time Discrepancies

Not discontinuity but continued elsewhere

Continued scene from S2E2 to S2E3

The Secret Timeline of Season 2

The Rules of the Twist

Chiastic Structure S1

Chiastic Structure S2

Blocking

Title Sequence Analysis

Aziraphale's Illustrated Bible

Aziraphale's Documents in the Box

Document on Aziraphale's Table

Musical clues (bells)

Miracle chimes comparison

The Tales of Hoffmann

Possibly Relevant Angel Names:

Israfil (sounds a bit like Aziraphale, angel blowing the trumpet to signal the end of the world & closest to God in Islam; the Christian equivalent would be Raphael, who apparently partly inspired Aziraphale's name.)

Kokabiel (Hebrew angel who fell, connected with stars and star making, most likely possibility for Starmaker!Crowley)

Baraquiel (mentioned in Hell's book of angels directly under Aziraphale, another possibility for Crowley's former angel identity)

Muriel becomes Abaddon (??? Apocryphal Texts, present at the Last Judgement and the Resurrection of Jesus)

Azrael (a. k. a. Death, as canon in book & show, listed here for exclusion reasons)

~asteriks under the cut~

*= While the theory's details hinge too much on its assumption (i. e. guess) on how the Book Of Life works, the idea that we will learn something in season 3 that completely reframes what we think we have seen in season 2 is almost a given. There will have been some sort of "magic trick".

**= Next to Gabriel & Michael, Raphael is the only other archangel we actually know by name. So that's a glaring omission from the show. And whether it turns out to be Crowley or not, I'm sure we will learn about Raphael and his conspicuous absence in season 3.

***= It takes agency away from Aziraphale, even though his actions are completely in line with his history and characterization so far, and nullifies all emotions experienced by the characters as well as the audience during the final scenes.

****= Both Neil Gaiman & John Finnemore are too good to pull the same trick twice. Yes, even if it's a variation. C'mon, give them some credit!

(I will edit this post when something changes or someone comes up with something new.)

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raayllum · 1 year

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What's harder, harder to say? That you want me to stay That you want me to stay unchanged for you? Chained to a lie, we're the same, you and I, we're the same What's harder, harder to fake? That you want me to stay That you want me to stay the same for you?

#rayllum #rayllumedit #can they be their own chiastic structure cause that's where i'm leaning #music #my edits #arc 1 #arc 2 #s3 #s4 #multi #graphics #personal fave #rainbow kitten surprise #i need you to kill me #every separation is a link

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shes-a-gryffindor · 2 years

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i wanna know about the ring composition meta!

Ok, so, I am a bit unhinged about this 😂 I quite literally froth over all the parallelism, the foreshadowing and chiastic structure of these books, so I decided to put it all in once place and write a meta ... but the trouble is, there is SO much ground to cover that I am having difficulty breaking it down. Here are some of the main snippets and a few of my favourite points -

If something is characterised by chiasmus it denotes a structure in which words/events/stories are repeated in reverse order. For a Harry Potter relevant and more visual representation, it looks something like this -

PS, CoS, PoA, GoF, OoTP, HBP, DH

or refer to this excellent little diagram -

The chiastic structure and ring composition in Harry Potter can be broken down in a few main points -

The beginning (PS) and end (DH) meet - a story in which the beginning and end are at one point.

The 'big turn' or central line and Parallel halves - If the beginning and end are going to meet, the story needs a 'big turn' (a 180 so to speak) at some point to divide it into two halves, with the first half of the story being the outgoing and the second half, the returning. In the case of the HP books this is done by creating seperate sections (PS, CoS, PoA) that are placed against one another (OoTP, HBP, DH) across a central dividing line (GoF), thus making these halves parallels of one another.

Here are a few of my favourite examples of the joined beginning and end

The Forest Again: Harry's first encounter with Voldemort takes place in the forbidden forest, having stumbled upon the dead unicorn. This first encounter is echoed in 'The Forest Again' in DH which is to be Harry's supposed last encounter with Voldermort.

Hagrid and Harry, together again (🥺): Hagrid brings baby Harry to Privet Drive on Sirius's motorcycle, Hagrid takes adult Harry away from Privet Drive on Sirius's motorcycle. Hagrid introduces Harry to the Wizarding World and is the one to tell him about Voldemort, Hagrid witnesses Harry's supposed death at the hands of Voldemort in The Forest Again and carry's his body to Hogwarts.

Parents at Christmas (this one has to be my favourite): Little Eleven year-old Harry sees his parents for the first time over the Christmas Holidays, full of hope and longing, he is fascinated and absolutely entranced by their living reflections in the Mirror of Erised. On Christmas Eve in DH, Adult Harry visits his parents graves for the first time and, perhaps also for the first time ever, grieves fully. He sees his would-be home for the first time and experiences the murders of his parents through Voldemorts memories.

The other Gryffindor champion (ahhhh another fav!): In PS, Dumbledore awards Neville Longbotton, the decisive last-minute points necessary for Gryffindor's victory over Slytherin for the House Championship. Similarly, in DH, it is Neville's contribution in the final hour, his killing of the serpent Nagini with the Sword of Gyrffindor, that takes Voldemort over to mortality, thus ensuring victory once more.

And some of the parallel halves

in CoS Harry takes a wrong turn in the floo network and ends up inside the vanishing cabinet at Borgin and Burkes where he spies on Draco Malfoy. In HBP, Harry once again finds himself spying on Draco Malfoy at Borgin and Burkes when he should be with the Weasleys, suspicious about what Draco is purchasing, which incidentally turns out to be, yep, the very same vanishing cabinet.

Both CoS and HBP have major plot points around the significance of a mysterious book, CoS - Tom Riddle's diary, HBP - the Half Blood Princes textbook.

In PoA Harry is introduced to his godfather, in OoTP (need I say more? 😭) he loses him.

In PoA we witness an authetnic prophecy made by Professor Trelawney, in OoTP we witness the authentic prophecy made by Professor Trelawney.

In PoA Snape is furious with Harry at the story's end, he is borderline unhinged because he suspects Sirius's escape has everything to do with Harry. in OoTP Harry is furious with Snape at the story's end, he is borderline irrational after Sirius's death for which he wants to believe Snape is responsible.

There are many, MANY more, but these will have to suffice for now, this is already turning into a thesis 😂

The last point where the ring composition in HP is concerned is -

The rings within the rings - What really takes this from interesting to remarkable is that not only is the series as a whole structured this way, but so is each individual book. Each and every book has its own joined beginnings and endings, an echoing midpoint and story turn, and chapters that echo one another across the story in axis. There are rings within the rings.

Some super quick examples of this are (it's important to note that the chapters mentioned below are almost always each-others actual numerological parallel within the book) -

First and last chapters of CoS (1-2, 17): Harry meets Dobby on his Birthday, Dobby gives him a dire warning and tries to imprison him to keep him away from Hogwarts. In the latter, Dobby's warnings come to fruition and Harry gives Dobby freedom.

Chapters 4 and 20 of PoA: The trio frets over Scabbers failing health, mysterious longevity and about the ministry's efforts to capture Sirius. In the latter chapter, the trio corner Sirius, learn of Scabbers real identity and the true reason behind his seemingly ill health.

Chapters 8 and 30 of GoF: Harry sits in the top box with Barty Crouch Jr, Ludo Bagman, top Ministry officials and the Malfoys a the Quidditch World Cup. In the latter chapter, Harry finds himself sitting in spectator-full courtroom to watch the trials of Barty Crouch Jr, Ludo Bagman and other former Death Eaters by top Ministry officials.

Fourth and Fourth last chapters of OoTP (4, 35): In what is Sirius's first appearance in this book, we see him fighting with and pulling a curtain over his mother, an insane member of the Black family. In what is Sirius's last appearance in this book, we see him fighting with and being sent behind a veil by his cousin Bellatrix Lestrange, an insane member of the Black Family.

Again, there are many, MANY more but I think I'll stop rambling and save them for the meta 😆 sorry for the extremely long winded answer here!!

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