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dragonbugsuperior · 9 months

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MLB Ship Tier

Marigami

ranks at the top because of the their interesting dynamic though they were off to a rocky start due to them being rivals for Adriens affection. I find their moments in the show to be funny, cute, and amusing. (They both enjoy drawing which would be a cute date) I also feel like Kagami would make a great candidate for Ladybugs partner. Shes smart, articulate, efficient, and determined to succeed. Marinette teaching Kagami how to be open with other people and herself, and Kagami teaching Marinette how to be more comfortable in her skin. One of my headcanons and theory is that while everyone may assume Kagami is the top in the relationship its actually marinette, another theory of mine is that Kagami is the top and Marinettes a bratty bottom but canonically they give me switch energy. However like other things and relationshis in the show its a shame how their interactions aren't explored more or touched upon beyond their liking to the same bland white guy (who doesn't deserve either)

Lukanette

This ship is a very sweet ship to me and one that I shipped awhile ago (when it was first introduced) I believe on of the many reasons Adrien stans and love square shippers hated Luka so much was because he did what Adrien couldn't. He's able to give Marinette actual good advice (*cough cough* Adrien take notes) Marinette is comfortable around him so we dokt get embarassing cringey 24/7 and......say it with me everyone

Respects.

Her.

Boundaries.

Awe what's wrong? Adrichat can't do this? What's that?

Ur favorite white catboy is unable to respect his love interests boundaries? But Luka can? Awwww...too bad.

He doesn't push Marinette further than what she's comfortable with and many Adrien stans argue that this makes Luka "bland" (since when is respecting someone bland???) Other than that I like their interactions in Canon, I'm glad he's one of the very few people marinette can actually talk to and doesn't get embarassed around. It feels good to know she liked a guy and was actually able to talk to him. One of my most unpopular and controversial theories is that Luka would make a pretty decent deuteragonist. Seeing how the writers pretty much wrote Luka & Kagami off so they wouldn't tear the love square (they really weren't going to anyway) and broke up the only actual healthy romantic relationship Marinette had, (because Marinette can't have nice things, am I right?) I know for sure there's no reviving Lukanette despite this, it still makes the top of the list. RIP to a really good healthy relationship✊🏾😔

Chloedrien (fanon)

This ship surprisingly ranks high. I can see them together especially in fanon. But because the writers are incompetent in the progression department and development their Canon relationship is definitely lackluster. Chloe invades Adriens space, he's visibly uncomfortable (feel familiar?) Chloe complains about her "Adrikins" Yada Yada. However if the show were written differently and Chloe actually talked to Adrien in attempts to strengthen their friendship I can see a good relationship.

Fela

Not you....

You.

This ship only interests me friendship wise. I can't see Lila and Felix together as a couple in spite of the similar personalities manipulative, cunning, discreet, calucating, and sly. I see power imbalance, trying to outsmart and manipulate each other and both of them being unable to think of anyone but themselves. Which is why a friendly alliance between both anatognists suits better because I can see them easily challenging Marinette and Adrien.

*signs*

Green eyed monsters

Nialya

This Canon couple is pretty decent, the feelings are mutual and we see many episodes with both being concerned about the other one (which is cute) and the consistent normal interactions they have are okay I can definitely see Alya being the dominant one in the relationship.

Lukagami / fanon /

It fanonically works better due to reasons (I'll list for Canon version) but in fanon they work pretty okay. I can see like Marinette & Adrien they're supposed to be opposites despite them having few interactions in the show. It'd be nice see their different personalities communicate. I cant say too much abt them.

Fecloe

This pairing is a easy hit or miss. I can understand them relating to each other as far as their dysfunctional families but I see Chloé annoying Felix with ease. She'd be a childish distraction (i argue the same with her relationship with Lila) and Felix would break up her instantly Felix is the type to basically desensitize himself from any emotions and rationalizes everything. And Chloe already an insecure brat with a touch of entitlement and narcissism is the cherry on top of it all. And with the direction the writers are attempting to go with Felix (being a antihero and having a moral gray compass) I don't see him supporting Chloes unexplained Bullying (which is rlly annoying bc why exactly do we sill not know Chloes reason behind Bullying people especially Marinette for so long?) But yeah this is one of those pairs they could be alright acquaintances at best but....romantically no. And working together? Hell no.

Alyanette

It's already bad enough their friendship isn't healthy with alya not respecting marinettes feelings or boundaries actively going against marinettes wishes and attempting to get her and Adrien together (physically holding her hands in place likes thats totally ok) thinking she knows what's best for marinette than marinette herself and not even trusting Marinette enough to believe she wouldn't do certain things (but a girl u just met can be trusted?) The OOC writing these past seasons is so painful to watch it makes my ass itch. I can already see her being overbearing and domineering in the dynamic. In Canon their personalities complement well however I don't see the connection romantically

Chlila

This dynamic is better as close acquaintances who help each other sometimes. (Keep in mind sometimes) Like Chloes relationship with Felix the one with Lila is no different as she would clash with her constantly. I also feel like Lila's the more rational one with the plan and Chloe is more impulsive and dives into things for the fun of it. Automantucally making their motives contrast and their characters. Their relationship reminds me alot of Cleo and Torelai's relationship (Monster high) I believe seeing more interactions between the two would be fun.

Lukagami / Canon/

Ah yes, the love rivals who could've served as good development and plot progression but like everything else with this garbage dump of entertainment, they never met their full potential. I don't ship this ship because it feels more like a way to bring them further away from the Love Square and just a way for people to say "hey on the bright side everyone wins!" But luka and kagami deserve better than to be casted as plot devices , which it feels like than it does a actual genuine ship and the only time we really seem them interact directly is in Determination which was centered around Marinette & Adriens relationship (its almost like they said "Hey! Fuck any progress we almost made, let's right the characters completely OOC and inconsistent moving forward. Either way the ship could work....but with how the show is already written I wouldn't pair them as a couple canonically.

Lukzoe

This ship isn't bad it's cute however I wouldn't pair them together canonically or in fanon I like how the writers already have Zoe liking Marinette and I honestly like Luka and alot of other characters without a relationship because I feel like it isnt needed. Though I feel like their friendship would be amazing.

Feligami

A controversial Canon ship that I had to recheck to see if it was actually Canon before saying

What the hell.

This ship is another hit or miss and to be honest I feel like the writers knew that they'd have to write Kagami and Felix OOC for this pairing to work in the first place. The pairing feels like a cop out for Kagamis unresolved feelings for Adrien and the writers went "Oh yea! Let's pair her with Felix, Adrien's "evil" twin" who happens to look just like Adrien just is less "Nice" having the ability to stand up for what he actually believes in and for Felix....I cant see him in a relationship. He's one of those characters that I feel does really well solo (like Lila) when u add people in the bunch it mushes his characterization up. They decide to pair them up in Representation and the two get into a secret relationship. They pair Kagami with Felix guys. The same guy who SH Ladybug, wiped all of Paris out (except for 3 people), as if that wasn't bad enough they have them both conspire a plan to deceive Marinette (so much for being marinettes friend). Kagami defends her newfound boyfriend to Ladybug and Chat Noir in Pretension. I liked Kagami better single, it's almost as if she had "more" braincells that way.

Lilanette

Aside from the pair being abusive and toxic, their interactions as enemies canonically are interesting. I'm interested in knowing just how far Lila's willing to go with Marinette with her lies and deceit, thus shipping doesn't work as a couple undoubtedly because of how abusive it is and I can't see Lila caring abt Marinette as much as Marinette would Lila (if she werent a villain) Feels more like a cat and mouse dynamic.

Lilalya

Lila and Alya feel lackluster to me and Canon makes my feelings on them no better. Their relationship in the show doesnt even make the slightest bit of sense. Firstly I'll say in the beginning when we first meet Lila her lies are believable but as time goes by and seasons go on the lies get less and less convincing and Lila isn't seen as this smart evil genius (she wasnt even before just a manipulative insecure teenage girl who wants attention wherever she can get it because her caregiver(s) neglect her ) the class including Alya shouldn't even be this dense still after 5 seasons in, just shows u how bad the writers of this show are at writing a believable consistent storyline and characters. I feel like Lila would love bomb Alya until she squeezes all the juicy information and benefits she can get from her then hang Alya out to dry.

Adrigami

I wouldn't have much of a problem with this ship if it weren't for.......the one and only notorious bland...blonde....the Adrien Agreste (the main reason I also don't support the love square) While I see them understanding where they both come from, I honestly can't see a what Kagami seen in Adrien. He's blander than oatmeal, and is described as not just by the Fandom but the shows creator himself "this perfect, innocent, catboy whos sheltered from the world and needs protecting and sympathy all. the. time. boo hoo. Not only did he lie to Kagami, which led to the breakup, but he technically cheated on her. by harassing his partner Ladybug (who clearly tells him she doesn't like it almost.every. episode.) while in a relationship with Kagami. Them being together doesn't feel rewarding seeing how he has treated her and how he treats other female characters in the show in general, especially Ladybug/Marinette. She deserves a lot better than what Adrien has to offer, and so does Marinette.

The Love Square

Ah yes, saved the best for last, this quadrupled pair ranks lowest of all for many reasons, if u didn't know by now, now u know I hate the Love Square and the message it sends the audience. If it isn't Marinettes forced embarrassment and humiliation to cover for the writers blatant misogyny and racism because Marinettes character persecution is set up as the shows comedy go to and her struggles are made out for a "good laugh" because thats really funny Thomas.....haha. Then theres Adriens problematic creepy predatory harassment towards Ladybug that's seen as generally "ok!" And cute and romantic *kiss kiss* he does as Chat Noir bc no one knows whos under the mask leaving him to get away scots free the general message it sends is its okay to keep harassing the target of your affections with enough determination and charisma added with a sob story you'll get them in the end. Doesn't matter if they're visibly uncomfortable or disgusted doesn't matter if they vocally say they don't reciprocate ur feelings all u gotta do is Try try try again!

Let's not even get started with how bad Adrien's jealousy gets....

Right.

He gets antsy whenever he sees a new Temp helping LB out as if he actually helps her in a major way anyway. He refuses to help her when she declines his romantic offers and grows really petty, snarky & sarcastic when things generally don't go his way with her. He doesn't take his job serious enough to even have his spot as a permanent miraculous holder and not to mention one of the most powerful miraculous there is "misusing the miraculous many and multiple times, making corny embarrassing puns and failed flirtations during battle essentially distracting Ladybug making her job harder. I honestly don't think it'd be much of a difference if he weren't chat noir.

Not to mention the double standard that exists between Marinette and Adrien in general

Marinettes' actions while problematic are checked in the show like her exaggerated obsessiveness, jealousy tendency, impulsive issues, and awkwardness around Adrien (and by many fans, sometimes to the point of bashing and purposely highlighting what has already been established) Adriens are all glossed over and we're expected to feel sorry for him. His dad abuses him and his mommy is nowhere to be found so now the writers use our female protagonist as emotional support when she herself needs emotional support. The writers are so bad at writing they can't even make the main couple communicate clearly and simply ever. Thomas himself goes out of his way to say to the world "Adrien is not flawed, the world is" yet his stans have the audacity to say mArinEtTes mOre Of a MarY sUe thAn He iS!. Her jealousy is called out but Chat Noirs is swept under the rug and is seen as her responsibility. Let's not mention how literally every female character that has had interest in Adrien has been pitted against Marinette but Luka, Nathaniel, and Adrien coexist just fine in kumbaya because remember kids

"Girls are spiteful petty backstabbing and catty while boys are practically angels who see each other as /bros/"

While also saying in the same breath this show is all about "girl empowerment " but has the white male deuteragonist harass, abuse, and manipulate our biracial female protagonist for 5 seasons straight, right?

Just making sure.

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dragonbugsuperior · 9 months

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… I’m sorry but I’m struggling to remember when Adrien invaded Mari’s space, I’m not saying you’re wrong just that I can’t remember

As Chat Noir he does it all the time.

And for the reason he knows he can't be punished for it bc no one knows its him

In Stoneheart/Origins, he’s literally still defending Chloe, despite seeing first-hand how she treats the people around her. And he continues to defend her for three seasons straight. In Despair Bear, when he’s supposedly “holding her accountable” he literally laughs when she makes Mylene and Rose cry at the end of the episode

In Stormy Weather he’s literally just standing there taunting the Akuma, further provoking it. And then when Marientte helps him off the ground, he grabs her hand and kisses it, even though he knows he doesn’t have consent. In Bubbler, he’s literally willingly allowing all of his classmates to be held hostage by an Akuma, and only gets his act together to save them once it stops being fun for him.

Here are some links to my posts calling it out.

https://www.tumblr.com/dragonbugsuperior/649678977952366592/adriens-manipulation-and-how-he-manipulates?source=share

https://www.tumblr.com/dragonbugsuperior/648671894848028672/thomas-is-a-racist-misogynistic-sexist-predator?source=share

https://www.tumblr.com/dragonbugsuperior/648365394556502016/thought-would-if-marinette-were-a?source=share

And when he's not sexually harassing her as Ladybug he's manipulating her as Marinette in forms of guilt tripping and etc.

#marinette dupain cheng #miraculous ladybug #adrien agreste #adrien salt #marinette deserves better #canceladrienagreste #cancelmiraculous #ml writer salt

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dragonbugsuperior · 9 months

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Heads up

If you like Adrien Agreste’s character, if you like Chat Noir, If you like Gabriel Agreste or Lila Rossi, any one of these characters you will unquestionably hate my blog. Especially Adrien stans, I dislike him for many reasons which should be obvious but aren’t unfortunately. Just feel free to hit that block button to avoid unnessecary problems and save me, yourself, and other tumblers the time.

thank you :)

#block #miraculous ladybug #miraculous ladybug discourse #adrien agreste #gabriel agreste #chat noir #adrien stans #canceladrienagreste #cancelmiraculous

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dragonbugsuperior · 3 years

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You know I just so happen searched up fucking pet names Marinette is called.

You know, the ones Adrien happen to call her.

First one was Bugaboo

/Bugaboo/ · an object of fear or alarm; a bugbear

Funny how they give Marinette that name. How it's literally Adrien who's calling her these names.

Then I go to the urban online dictionary to search it up and here were the results.

Bugaboo

An annoying person, especially one making unwanted sexual advances!!!!

What.

WHAT.

THE.

FUCK.

Especially one making unwanted sexual advances

Adrien calls Marinette this everytime they fucking fight off akumas. While he literally annoys the fuck out of her and harasses her all the time making her job 1000x more difficult. He purposely upsets her, calls them a couple, lies to other people about the relationship they have, invades her boundaries, assaults her, refuses to do his job all because she wouldn't go on a date with him, punishes her for rejecting him. And he has the audacity to call her "bugaboo"

The white male writers have their white cis predatory character call the protagonist HE HARASSES a name like this.

This is the person who harasses his superhero partner every fucking time she's trying to save lives. She desperately needed to save her parents and he took that opportunity to try and kiss her.

When she turns his dates down he refuses to help her save people's lives. He gets immature, bratty, sarcastic, spiteful, and downright rude with her. Where she has to fucking apologize just for him to get his act together.

He causes her discomfort, distress, irritability, anxiety, and disgust. He's a predator, abuser, and racist incel. He doesn't respect woman and punishes them when they reject him, refuses to take no for an answer. He harasses Marinette and makes her feel so much discomfort that it's not even fucking funny. He's a serious fucking predator. And yet, Marinette's called 'bugaboo'

This is fucking disgusting.

He's the fucking bugaboo.

#marinette dupain cheng #miraculous ladybug #marinette deserves better #adrien salt #chat noir salt #canceladrienagreste #cancelmiraculous #cancelthomasastruc #manipulators #he's the fucking BUGABOO #and I thought this show couldnt get anymore disgusting #he's a fucking white incel predator #ewww #disgusting #don't fucking call her Bugaboo #disgusting ass pet name

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dragonbugsuperior · 2 years

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Adrien Agreste is such a sad and miserable person who brings nothing to the table but a bowl of second hand embarrassment, sexual harassment, and just overall a disgrace to everyone in the show including himself. He would’ve been better just not existing at all.

#marinette dupain cheng #miraculous ladybug #adrien agreste #marinette deserves better #adrien salt #canceladrienagreste #cancelmiraculous #thomas astruc salt

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dragonbugsuperior · 3 years

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Adrien's Manipulation and How He Manipulates

As you can see, I have spoken about the things the ml writers have done and attempted to get away with however I never dug deep into how manipulative Adrien is and how he has manipulated people. I have provided real transcripts from the episodes. You can look it up yourself they're there for everyone to see.

In Malediktator (season 2, episode 24) Chloe threatens to leave Paris, Mr. Bourgeois gets akumatized into Maledikator; invested with absolute power, he wants to make his daughter's dreams come true so that she stays with him. In the episode, Chloe announces that she's leaving Paris to the entire school and the students are thrilled. They were celebrating the fact that their school bully was leaving Paris. Including Marinette, who was also relieved to know her bully/tormentor was leaving Paris. The same girl who's been bullying Marinette for years.

Here's some real transcripts from the actual episodes

Chloé: (from the helicopter, through megaphone) Hey there, losers! I'm headed to New York with my mom. (throws flyers) I'm leaving you all behind in your pathetic little school and your pathetic little city. Adieu!

(Marinette picks up a flyer showing Chloé in front of the Statue of Liberty.)

Nino: Chloé's leaving?

Nathaniel: Forever?

Marinette: Looks like it.

Alya: Yeah.

(Everyone jumps in the air out of happiness; confetti appears out of thin air and there are fireworks for no reason at all. Everyone, including Mr. Damocles, dances and parties.)

Marinette: Without Chloé around, Paris will be filled with a lot less negative emotion!

Tikki: And less akumatizations.

(Adrien walks up to Marinette from behind.)

Adrien: Hey, what’s going on here? What are we celebrating?

Marinette: Chloé’s gone! She’s moving to New York!

Adrien: Chloé left…? For good?

Marinette: (still excited, not realizing that Adrien is not sharing everyone else’s enthusiasm) Yeah! Isn’t it great?

Adrien: Uh… no. I think it’s terrible! How can you celebrate a thing like that?

There

There's the manipulation. Adrien guilts Marinette for being happy that her tormentor is gone. He guilts her for being relieved to know that her school bully is leaving Paris. Not only did he make Marinette feel guilty for feeling the way that she did. But the episode also deems Marinette as if she's selfish for feeling glad that Chloe is gone. While Adrien completely invalidates Marinette's feelings, and does not take into consideration that Chloe has bullied and made Marinette's life a living hell for years. Adrien knows Chloe has been bullying Marinette for years and instead of letting her feel happy that her bully is gone he guilts her and shames her saying that she shouldn't be celebrating something like that. Not contemplating the fact that Marinette has been bullied, shamed, taunted, and tormented for years. All because Chloe's his childhood friend and she was his only friend. He continues to support Chloe, and guit-trips Marinette for being happy that her life-long bully is finally leaving, because he doesn’t care about how Chloe torments everyone in the class or how she’s literally abusing Sabrina, all he cares about is how her leaving affects him.

In Glaciator Chat Noir imposes a date with Ladybug.

Transcript

Cat Noir: So, uh, Ladybug? What would you say if you and I met up tonight for a little dinner? Rooftop style?

Ladybug: For dinner? As superheroes?

Cat Noir: Well, uh, yeah. That's right. We're only together when we're saving Paris. I mean, wouldn't you actually like to get to know one another?

Ladybug: I... That's so thoughtful of you, but I can't. I have to, uh, I already have plans with some friends.

Bus driver: (steps out of the bus and shakes hands with Cat Noir) Thank you. (shakes Ladybug's hand) Thank you, Ladybug.

Cat Noir: Well, if your plans end early, come and join me.

Ladybug: We'll see.

Cat Noir: I'll be waiting, my lady.

(Ladybug uses her yo-yo and leaves. Cat Noir smiles at her for a moment before he leaves too)

Ladybug tells Chat Noir that she has plans with friends, Chat Noir still insists that she comes if her plans end early. Ladybug never says yes to him nor does she confirm she will show up while he says he'll be waiting.

Alya, Nino, Marinette, and Adrien were planning on having a date together, Adrien lies to his friends and tells them that his father said he couldn't go. Actively upsetting them and ruining their date, because 'Oh! Poor Adrien couldn't make it!. The thing is-

Adrien could have made it.

He himself, chose not to.

He didn't even inform his father about going out with friends.

Adrien never mentions going out with friends to Gabriel. He never tells Nathalie nor the Gorilla anything just so he could prepare a date with Ladybug, who also never confirmed she was going on the date.

[Next transcript is very important to read]

(Adrien sighs before he takes out his phone to text Nino. He then checks the time)

Nathalie: There's no point in waiting for your father, Adrien. He'll be eating in his office.

Adrien: (stands up from his chair, quietly angry) Then what's the point of keeping me here if he's never gonna show up, Nathalie? (walks away to go to his room)

Nathalie: Don't forget to practice your piano before you go to bed.

He doesn't tell Nathalie or Gabriel. He tells Nino that he won't be able to make it because his father wouldn't allow him to, yet Adrien didn't even see Gabriel because he was in his office the entire time.

Scene: Adrien's room.

Plagg: You could've at least grabbed the piece of Camembert on that platter!

Adrien: (tosses a piece of Camembert to Plagg and he catches it) Fuel up, Plagg. (He turns on some piano music from his phone. He then places the phone on top of the real piano) Adrien may not be allowed out of the house, but Cat Noir is!

Adrien's off to his date with Ladybug, which she never agreed that she would come, lying to his friends and telling them that his father wouldn't let him go out with them.

Plagg: You seem in a hurry to get stood up.

Adrien: She didn't say she wasn't coming.

Plagg: But she didn't say she was either!

This is also important to take in mind, it doesn't matter if she didn't say wasn't coming, she also didn't say she was coming like Plagg said. She told him she had plans with her friends.

Scene: Trocadéro. Marinette meets up with her friends

Marinette: Hey, Alya!

Alya: Hey, Marinette! (Both she and Marinette kisses each other's cheeks)

Marinette: Where's Adrien?

Alya: Don't get upset, okay? But Nino just got a text. Adrien's dad isn't letting him go out.

Again, Adrien tells Nino his dad won't let him go out. Lying and upsetting his friends, which automatically makes them feel bad because they're poor friend can't come out with them.

Marinette: Once again...

Nino: Yo, Marinette!

Ivan: What's up, M?

Mylène: How are you, Marinette?

Marinette: I'm fine. Thanks. Hehe. So, do you know where André is today?

Later in the episode, they have patrol

And this is what Chat Noir says to Ladybug

Ladybug: Hello, Kitty. Did the bad guys leave you cold?

Cat Noir: (harsh and enraged) How was your amazing evening with your "friends"?

(Ladybug looks confused at Cat Noir, shocked by her partner's harsh words. But she gasps when she hears Glaciator's voice.)

He gets passive aggressive and sarcastic with her. He's angry because she didn't show up to a date she never agreed to going on.

[Transcript]

Ladybug: Are you mad at me because I didn't show up?

Cat Noir: (furious) What do you think?

Ladybug: I didn't mean to hurt you.

(Glaciator jumps over them and continues walking. Ladybug and Cat Noir take shelter behind a car)

Cat Noir: And I also had a surprise for you, too!

Ladybug: I really am sorry.

Cat Noir: No... I'm the one who's sorry. Maybe another time.

Ladybug feels bad for not showing up. Ladybug shouldn't have to apologize for not showing up. She never agreed to going on the date and Chat Noir knows that. He knows she had plans with her friends and guilts her because apparently she didn't show up to a date she never intended on going on. While he was the one who gave her the cold shoulder the entire time they were fighting off Glaciator and acted like a 5 year old child.

The blatant manipulation

Chat Noir guilts Ladybug because she didn't show up to a date she never agreed that she would go on. Resulting in her feeling bad and apologizing to him as if she said she'll go. She never confirms she'll make it. She tells him she has plans with friends and they'll see. That doesn't equate to yes. Adrien lies to his friends and tells them he won't be able to make it because his father wouldn't let him go out, meanwhile Adrien never tells Gabriel anything about going out with friends.

In Syren

Adrien gets tired of all the secrets Ladybug had to keep from him and threatens to quit. Blackmailing Plagg threatening to quit as a superhero if Plagg doesn't tell him what secret Ladybug's been hiding from him.

[Transcript]

Adrien: (imitating Ladybug) Hey, Cat Noir, do you trust me? (as himself) Sure, Ladybug; do you trust me, too? (as Ladybug) Are you kidding? I will never trust you! Ha ha ha ha! (normally, to Plagg) You must know what Ladybug's hiding from me, Plagg.

Plagg: I'm just a kwami, Adrien, and we kwamis have a right to remain silent.

Adrien: Pity. (gets out his phone) Just when I was about to order you some very tasty cheese. Have you ever sampled La Trappe d'Échourgnac? It says here it tastes like walnuts.

Plagg: (swallows some Camembert) I can't be swayed, sorry.

He bribes Plagg with cheese to get information out of him about Ladybug

Cat Noir: Wait! Where're you going?

Ladybug: (hesitantly) I can't.

Cat Noir: (disappointedly) Say anything. Yeah, I know. But we are a team, aren't we? (turns away from Ladybug) I'm tired of all these secrets.

Ladybug: I'm sorry. It's not exactly easy for me either, trust me. (she leaps away while Cat Noir turns to see her leaving him)

(Cat Noir sits down on the roof to wait for Ladybug to return.)

He himself admits that he knows she can't tell him anything. He knows she's under restrictions and he pulls this.

Cat Noir: This is so dumb! (stands up) Claws in. (detransforms)

Plagg: (groans) What's taking her so long? (Adrien holds up his hands to Plagg, and starts to pull off his ring a little bit) Whoa, easy! W-What are you doing?!

Adrien: (grimly) If you don't tell me what Ladybug is hiding from me, I'm done!

Plagg: You can't do that!

Adrien: (bitterly) Why not? No one'll know if I quit. No one'll care!

Plagg: I will!

He blackmails Plagg, and threatens to let millions of people drown just because he wants to know a secret he isn't worthy of knowing.

[Transcript for Frozer]

In Frozer he gets rejected for the hundredth time

Ladyice: Cat Noir. We need to set up a trap for whoever turned the city into a giant ice rink. (throws yo-yo)

Icecat: (bitterly) My feline instincts prefer to track and observe before I attack. You go your way, I'll go mine.

Ladyice: Please don't tell me you're mad at me about the rose.

Icecat: There may be a certain chill now between us.

Ladyice: I get it, but we should really focus on saving Paris

Icecat: We don't always have to do everything together, after all. It's not like we're a couple. (skates away)

Ladyice: Cat Noir, don't get all pouty on me! (groans and takes off on her yo-yo)

(Ladyice and Icecat separately search for Frozer)

Icecat: (notices Frozer's skate marks on the ice) This way.

Ladyice: I need to set a trap, but what could I use as bait? (while Ladyice thinks, Frozer prepares to sneak up behind her, but Icecat spots him attempting to do so and pulls Ladyice out of harm's way)

Ladyice: Thanks, Kitty.

(Icecat winks)

Once again, he makes her feel guilty for turning him down for the millionth time in a row as if he doesn't know she's in love with someone else. Acting like an asshole the entire time they fight off Frozer.

In Copyat, Chat Noir arrives at a ceremony.

Scene: The Place des Vosges. The ceremony has just ended.

Cat Noir: These statues are amazing. One thing's slightly off though— I'm actually taller than Ladybug.

Théo: Ladybug didn't show up. I just wanted to express my adoration for her. Let her know that everything I had went into her statue. I'm sure if she took a little time to get to know me, she would see how much we have in common. Our devotion to the things we love.

Cat Noir: Hey, don't mean to burst your bubble, but you know, Ladybug and me, we're a thing, you know?

Théo: Really?

Cat Noir: Yeah, we're like this. (crosses his fingers)

Théo: (growls; walks away angrily) What does Ladybug see in him?

He lies to Theo about the relationship he has with Ladybug leaving Theo angry causing him to become akumatized.

Cat Noir: Better help the fellow out. His crush just got crushed. (under his breath, as he leaves) That makes two of us.

Théo: Ugh... What am I doing here? Ladybug?

Ladybug: I'm sorry I couldn't make it this morning, Théo.

Théo: Can you autograph it for me?

Ladybug: Of course I can! You've got some real artistry here. You've really captured my essence.

Théo: Thank you, Ladybug. And don't worry. I know about you and Cat Noir. It's okay.

Ladybug: Huh?

Ladybug is left to apologize to Theo and deal with the rest. Theo tells her not to worry, he knows about her and Chat Noir to which she reacts with utter confusion. Chat Noir lied to Theo, causing his akumatization not even facing consequences at the end nor apologizing to Theo, instead Marinette does all the work while being left confused.

Adrien is a lying, manipulative, and conniving person. He has manipulated his friends, Plagg, and Marinette. This is not okay

And the writers portray it to be while making Marinette look bad

#marinette dupain cheng #miraculous ladybug #adrien agreste #marinette deserves better #miraculous plagg #stop defending him #manipulators #adrien salt #cancelmiraculous #canceladrienagreste #predatory cis straight white boy billionaire

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dragonbugsuperior · 3 years

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I like how Adrien straight up treats Marinette like shit. Literally harasses her night and day. He’s sarcastic and mean and cruel, and implies that she was lying about going out with friends! When he is literally the one that lied to his friends and blew off their plans and manipulated them into feeling so bad for him that HE LITERALLY RUINED THE ENTIRE NIGHT FOR ALL OF THEM. And then he has the gall to treat Marinette like shit for not going out with him. He literally refuses to help her defeat the Akuma until she apologizes to him. He literally punishes her for not going out on a date with him.

And people still have the audacity to claim Marinette's a stalker while defending every single thing Adrien does.

Like,

Are we watching the same show?

Marinette's feelings are constantly invalidated by the narrative and her abuser.

[In Malediktator]

She's relieved to know her tormentor is gone "she's selfish and shouldn't be celebrating something like that, that's terrible"

[In Glaciator]

She's out with her friends and tells Adrien (as Chat Noir) she'll be out with friends "she's apparently playing with his feelings and has to apologize in order for him to get his act together"

[In Frozer]

She rejects him once again because she is in love with someone else (she has told him this countless times) "he refuses to help her fight in battle and she's back apologizing again" for something she shouldn't have to apologize for

[In Syren]

She's under restrictions of telling anyone. the secret Master Fu told her, Adrien knows this and goes out of his way to threaten to let millions of people drown all because of it. Again Ladybug is apologizing as if it's her fault.

[In Chameleon]

She wants to out Lila as a liar because she lies and manipulates people, Lila has ruined Marinette's reputation, Marinette is furious. "But wait! As long as her and Adrien both know does it really matter?"

Yes Adrien, yes it does matter. Lila has been lying and manipulating people and also ruining Marinette's reputation and framing her. But yet again we see Marinette is either punished for feeling the way that she feels or her feelings are downplayed (thrown in the closet)

Adrien (as Chat Noir) knows Marinette has feelings for someone else and insisted on a date with her. He also knew she had plans with friends that night. So it was expected that she wouldn't show up, why is he angry again? Because she didn't show up on a date she never agreed to going on and yet it's her who's doing the apologizing.

See how it's always her doing the apologizing when she's not even at fault.

Why?

If the show was actually written by people who have their priorities straight and not misogynistic Marinette would have someone tell her that it's okay to feel the way she feels. Her feelings are valid and that she shouldn't have to apologize for feeling the way she feels.

She's not being selfish, she's not being mean, she's not being a bitch.

She's feeling what she feels and it's valid

#what the absolute fuck #adrien agreste #miraculous ladybug #marinette dupain cheng #adrien salt #anti adrien agreste #litterally all they do is defend him #marinette deserves better #canceladrienagreste #cancelmiraculous #cancelThomasAstruc #she shouldn't have to apologize

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dragonbugsuperior · 3 years

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Marinette's Suffering

I just realized something.

As long as Marinette has a crush on Adrien she'll always be humiliated.

She'll always be a anxiety ball.

She'll always be laughed at.

She'll always brought down.

She'll always be in distress.

She'll always be putting his feelings before own.

She'll always be putting his needs before her own.

Her crush on Adrien brings out the worst of her. When she's a mess, stuttering, fumbling, falling.

Then when there's a guy who is 10x better than Adrien they take that opportunity away from her, because Oh! If Marinette loses interest in our pretty predatory rich white boy then he'll lose relevance to the plot as if he contributes any fucking ways. The only way the male writers of this awful show can keep their favorite predator white boy in the picture is if Marinette has a crush on him which derives off her suffering. As long as Marinette has feelings for him she'll always suffer. Adrien can't be out of the picture for more than afew seconds because the writers are so cowardly that they rather have their protagonist suffer than let any other character shine. It's ridiculous how in order for Adrien to stay relevant that means Marinette has to suffer because of her crush on Adrien. It's not fair. Marinette has to suffer just so he can stay relevant?

That bastard. He does nothing to contribute to the plot whatsoever. All he does is harass Marinette and make her life a living hell right with Chloe.

Marinette finally does move on from him and somehow despite being happy with Luka they decide to bring her crush on Adrien back so the audience doesn't forget about the pretty pervy rich white boy! Yay!

He's a pervy white guy. A creep. His creepy harassment is fucking disgusting and he always has to be in the plot because little poor Adrien is so fucking important without actually doing anything important.

I hate this Eurobrat pred.

#miraculous fandom #miraculous ladybug #marinette dupain cheng #marinette deserves better #adrien agreste #adrien salt #canceladrienagreste #cancelmiraculous #cancelthomasastruc #DOES nothing at. all.#predatory adrien #creep adrien #miraculous ladybug is a awful show

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dragonbugsuperior · 3 years

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Stop Blaming Marinette

Honestly no, everything is blamed on Marinette.

What happened in the New York special is not Marinette’s fault. Adrien stans specifically use it to excuse the bashing of Marinette and placing responsibility on her for something she shouldn’t feel bad for. Marinette is constantly shamed and blamed for things that aren’t her fault in the show, the fanbase, and the narrative and I’m tired of it. Adrien initiated the dance in New York. A reminder that Marinette at the time was trying to move on from Adrien all throughout the movie. Marinette is the one who picked out Adrien and Kagami’s ice cream in Miracle Queen, Marinette’s the one who gave Adrien advice in Frozer, Marinette’s the one who sacrificed her own feelings for her “friends” to be happy, Marinette’s the one who helped both Kagami and Adrien get away from their packed schedule and busy lifestyle when she really didn’t have to but she’s “sweet” one of the most if not the sweetest character in Miraculous Ladybug.

Guess it's easier to shift the blame onto someone who's always receives blame rather than admit they're predatory cis billionaire white boy is in the wrong.

I'm tired of Marinette apologizing.

I'm tired of Marinette being held responsible for things she shouldn't be.

I'm tired of the constant shaming and humiliation Marinette goes through.

I'm tired of her crush on Adrien being exaggerated just so people can get a "good laugh" it's misogynistic.

Backpedaling her crush when she's trying to move on is not comedy. It's annoying. Not only do they back pedal her crush they destroy her opportunity with someone who actually does respect her boundaries, actually makes her feel comfortable and is easy to talk to when in distress.

But I guess it's only for the writers to make sure they're white predatory character stays relevant if they're mixed asian protagonist is fawning over with all the other girls except her black best friend. (Who is also whitewashed along with her)

Marinette was with Luka during the NYC special, she was actively trying to move on while Adrien was the one who asked Marinette to dance. Can we also talk about how messed up it was for Kagami to choose a guy over her first actual female friend? If anyone’s to blame and be held accountable here, it should be Adrien. He knew he was with Kagami and he was the one to initiate the dance with Marinette. Adrien grabs Marinette’s arm and starts to dance with her. Frozer still rubbed me the wrong way, that assumption was based off false knowledge which could have been prevented, Kagami’s statement was snarky and all around pure jealousy.

I'm genuinely getting tired of people blaming Marinette for everything including this new heep of mess circling around the special.

Her and Marinette have not interacted at all in that episode whatsoever, Marinette gave no reason for Kagami to say anything to her, but because she was given that Adrien had feelings for this mysterious somebody she assumes it’s Marinette and causes her to behave in a catty snarky way. I'm a very opinionated person, but can manage to hold my tongue on many hot-topic issues if the situation calls for it. This is not one of them. Stop blaming Marinette.

#marinette dupain cheng #miraculous ladybug #marinette deserves better #adrien salt #canceladrienagreste #cancelmiraculous #cancelthomasastruc #kagami tsurugi #shit adrien stans say #stop shifting the blame on marinette to make adrien look innocent #ml writer salt #ml fandom salt #adrien agreste #alya cesaire #luka seriously makes a better candidate than adrien #luka couffaine

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