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Whumptober 2023 – No. 28
“We might not make it to the morning; so go on and tell me now.”
Bloody Knife | Sacrifice | “You’ll have to go through me.”
— The only way you will get to her is through me. I invoke denn-shah.
— To the death.
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how does Babylon 5 have a more foreshadowed amd cohesive and satisfying Time Travel arc than all of Doctor Who has ever managed
#babylon 5#b5#babylon 5 spoilers#I say this as a Doctor who fan btw#as is obvious by my icon lol#doctor who is ABOUT time travel but it never really does........ any plots with it??#outside of the Seasons of Fear audio or Chimes of Midnight those are the only ones off the top of my head
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Ivanova: can you keep a secret?
Talia: I kept a pretty big one for 22 years, so…
#babylon 5#b5#susan ivanova#talia winters#incorrect quotes#incorrect quotations#russian winter#source: modern family#luke dunphy#mitchell pritchett#I would have done this the other way around but Ivanova cannot keep her mouth shut#wlw#talia winters: sapphic icon#space wlw being space wlw
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Propaganda
2D:
-2D is the poster cartoon for the most iconic and well-known virtual band in the world, Gorillaz! He is often described as a sweetheart with a blank sheet of paper where his brain is supposed to be. With his cheeky personality and gap-toothed smile, how could you not love him? 2D's uses he/him pronouns and one of his most identifiable traits is his full head of spikey blue hair.
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Babylon 5 Rewatch S1E5: The Parliament of Dreams
man I love the Drazi so much
dude, Garibaldi is testing everyone's faith
I am so sorry but the B5 romantic music to me is always like *air raid sirens* this will be a problem
I really like Catherine, mind you, it's not about her, but so many stories featuring that music end so badly :D
please tell me this is a real pig's head
(read more because this got long)
it's certainly live crayfish he has there (I hopes someone gave them a good home after, they are such neat little guys)
jeez this episode has so much going on
Andreas Katsulas has a great singing voice
I bet the 'you stay put' was ad libbed LOL
NA'TOTH
iirc the actress of Ko D'ath was allergic to the makeup so they ended up having to change out G'Kar's attachés but it works out extremely for this plot
'Catherine's on board' 'Ah.' ...that Ah had a looooot of words
that whole scene at the Cenauri banquet is so quotable
Garibaldi IS cute in an annoying sort of way
'but in purple, I am stunning!'
I really appreciate it that Sinclair and Catherine get to be adults about their reelationship
it's awkward af but also extremely relatable
'I let you and your pants get to your business' LOL
speaking of pants, Catherine's outfit is hot
G'Kar's pyjamas are iconic - I bet Khan Noonian Singh would love those
the iridescence of G'Kar's costume is so pretty
LENNIER :D :D
I once quoted the 'you will be forever walking into things' line in a fic and so far only one person picked up on it :D
Andreas Katsulas always toes the line of ridiculously over the top with G'Kar and it works extremely well - G'Kar just is a dramatic dude
this episode is a really great showcase for the chemistry the cast has with each other
G'Kar switching out his lil religious tomato out with Ivanova's in the background
the way Katsulas uses the panties as a prop to gesture with is so good :D
THE GLASSES OMG
Na'Toth is such a good liar :D
'You will know pain. You will know fear. And then you will die. Have a pleasant flight!'
otoh of course humans are again the only ones where the culture isn't a monolith but otoh I do absolutely love that scene of Sinclair showing all of the different believes of Earth
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Ohsama Sentai King-Ohger Props Exhibition: Royal Treasures
From March to June 2024, in Tokyo, Nagoya and Osaka, a unique showcase of messages from the cast, statues, costumes and props used in the show. You will also find city-exclusive exhibits, photo spots, visitor presents and origianl goods.
Schedule:
[Tokyo] hmv museum Shibuya 6/F
3/23 ~ 4/14, 11:00 ~ 20:30
[Nagoya] hmv museum Sakae
4/20 ~ 5/12, 11:00 ~ 20:30
[Osaka] hmv museum Shinsaibashi
5/18 ~ 6/9, 11:00 ~ 20:30
Ticket:
Adult ¥1000 (Child ¥500)
Sold at venue and Lawson Ticket
Sat, Sun & public holiday: time slot tickets +¥220 system fee
Hourly entry also applies for:
Tokyo 3/25 ~ 3/29
Nagoya 4/30 ~ 5/2
Visitor's present:
Chikyuu-go alphabet card (6 patterns in total), distributed at random upon purchase of tickets
Merchandise:
Complimentary stickers (random) for every purchase over ¥2,000:
Merchandise list:
Royal Arms! arcrylic badge (Ryoga Issen/Founders' Glory ver.)
¥700 x 7 random (¥4900 set)
OP scene acrylic card
¥600 x 14 random (¥8400 set)
Iconic scenes sticker
¥400 x 12 random (¥4800 set)
Clear File set of 2
¥800 (¥400 each)
Storybook memo set (author: Jeramie Brasieri)
¥900
Quotes from the Evil King masking tape set of 2
¥900 (¥450 each)
Yanma's laptop stickers metal case
¥1200
Ishabana black tea
¥1500
Sayorana Moffun B5 notebook (author: Rita Kaniska)
¥500
Premium rice "Suzume's Tears" with Toufu wooden cup set
¥1500
"The Strange Spider-Man" display flyer tote bag
¥2200
Senjafuda sticker sheet (example)
¥700 x 7 patterns
Sextet Alliance treaty cardholder with strap and emblem charm
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Kobutsu Wokashi Candy set
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watching B5 for the first time since very early childhood, in honor of its 30th anniversary. back then, it didn't grab me the way DS9 did, so I never went to revisit it before, the way I did with Star Trek.
2,5 episodes in, and I'm willing to bet that the reason B5 didn't grab me is the female characters - their relative dearth, and how those present are coded. there's a reason my three "top" childhood series are DS9, Xena and the X Files. the women there were a lot closer to what I wanted to steer towards.
it's an interesting thought about gender - I never had one that's particularly strong, but when I was very young and absorbing information about the world, I had a very strong heuristic that translated to "take notes - these people look like you; this is how you can expect to be treated". that decided a lot about my favorite media, even though I didn't limit myself to whom I took notes from. I cribbed a good few social strategies from Zelazny's panoply of beings, starting with Corwin. i did have my weights, though, and gender was an important one.
still, B5 is neat and there's a few iconic things already, a few episodes in. I didn't know that the "X or Y?" "yes." formula was from there - maybe around earlier? but this is the earliest popular culture instance I've seen.
so far my favorites are Garibaldi and Londo. Garibaldi because he's the type of person that I'd see myself as - can't stand still, works hard, but also more than a little goofy - and Londo because I have the feeling he'd be be good friends with Nie Huaisang.
#babylon 5#b5#babylon 5 rewatch#b5 rewatch#hi people i am joining you for what's realistically the first time#so i might jump ahead a little initially so I can participate from a rewatch perspective#and don't get too spoiled
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B5 S03E19 Grey 17 Is Missing
previous episode - table of contents
I'm not sure how this episode is going to go, because prior to this I have always watched B5 high (I started this saga while taking hydrocodone pain meds I was allergic to post-wisdom teeth removal) or sober (which I quickly stopped doing, because the recaps were a dry and stale recounting of the plot in a most unpleasant way), but now I can't have THC for awhile (pre-op instructions for what will hopefully be my last surgery for awhile) and so I am experimenting with liveblogging while tipsy.
So far I thimk that tipsy b5 blogging may be the era of run-on sentences. play video.
Harry Sanders says in response to the question "are you a telepath,": "sure."
I am guessing that Mr Sanders is not a telepath. But I am a huge fan of people fucking with Zack Allen. Queer icon Harry Sanders tries to flirt his way into the job. sadly, he fails.
Unnamed maintenance worker gets sucked into a maintenance tunnel with random wires trailing out of it. That probably won't be relevant later :)
Someone, I am assuming Sinclair, spoke of Delenn "with great reverence" to his Minbari friend regularly. I LOVE THAT OMG. *shipping intensifies*
Harlan Ellison consulted on this one, too?? That's so cool. My Eepectations just went up. Minbari With The Nose thinks that Delenn should take over as Ranger One. Are they going out of their way to not say his name?
Calling a gun with bullets a slugthrower is a pretty amusing thing to share with Star Wars. I once read a crossover fic where Han Solo (iirc) went on smuggling runs to B5 to pick up kyber crystals, which the B5 people have been using for mere data storage.
"I swear it's like the Centauri triangle in there - something's always going wrong."
I only support Garibaldi's casual racism because actually, everything IS always going wrong with the Centauri....but has the Bermuda Triangle myth been supplanted with a centauri space equivalent?? And what makes it a triangle in 3d space?
Stephen Franklin is looking rough. Withdrawl. Withdrawal? Sad plotline. Space AA is not my favorite plotline. Also, Mr Dr Franklin, maybe don't compain about people following you around when you haven't even left Babylon Five???? That's a cry for help if ever I saw one in metaphor. If you wanna be alone like...barter some medical attention for a ride to an abandoned planetoid.
Gray 17 is a level of b5? Cool. I thought it was going to be a person that disappeared. And it is several of them at least. But there's also thirty official grey levels but only 29 accessible. I like it.
Delenn looks extra pretty today.
Why does this Minbari know about siren songs? Convergent cultural evolution, or does this guy like Earth ancient-greek sailor myths?
It's genuinly hilarious (and apropos) for a Minbari Ranger to think it pollutes the rangers for humans to be admitted. This warrior class Minbari thinks it's heretical for Delenn-of-the-clerics to consider taking command of the Rangers, which he thinks are the rightful domain of the warrior caste.
hm. Where'd he go. That won't come up later, either.
Garibaldi is leaning into one of his strengths: investigation. He's counting the seconds the elevator takes between Grey levels. Grey like the grey council, or pure coincidence?
ALSO. no minbari has killed another minbari for a thousand years?? I find that very hard to believe. Domestic violence? manslaughter?? What kind of statistical fuckery are they employing to make that something Delenn can say without winking??
Delenn: "I want your word that you will not tell [Sheridan] about [the warrior class dick threatening to kill me]. Your. Word."
*cue Lennier hinting unsubtly about Delenn's life being in danger*
I did not expect Level 17 Grey to come up. Where is the missing number if Grey 17 is missing, it goes to Grey 30, but there's only 29 levels? This mystery is deeper than I expected it to be!
The missing floor, once Garibaldi rules-lawyers the lift into stopping there, is trashed. And it says Grey 17 in a different place than the other floors. AND there's what looks like a technical diagram for a trash can where the other floors have their designation signs. Idk what this means, but it's a data point!!
Well. I would drop kick that puppet if it talked to me on a trashed level. But Michael Garibaldi let it DART him. like a SCHMUCK. Don't let it do that. hit the follow button for more HOT TIPS FROM MICHAL. (pronounced like McCalll, not like Michael).
Lennier!!!! YES HE IS TELLING SOMEONE. But not Sheridan. Love his rules-lawyering. Super cute. My guy. Lancelot (purely platonic version).
I would kiss Lennier all over his sweet face. And he would not like it. I am sure.
Garibaldi has recovered-ish from his darting of unknown substance. FUCK THAT PUPPET. burn it with fire or smth.
Who is this council of lost persons?? Jim Henson's dream?????!
"My name is Jeremiah. Welcome to the end of the world."
YES PLEASE. This is good plot, and I like it.
Delenn is really beautiful this episode. I think the red/blue rich, saturated colors particularly flatter her. But she is always unfairly pretty and generally lickable.
Delenn's mother entered the sisters of valeria soon after Delenn was born, and she's only seen her twice. TWICE. And Delenn's father died ten years ago. She does not mention siblings. How old is Delenn? If it isn't a plot-relevant spoiler, please let me know if you know it.
Her thoughts on missing her father are both relatable and wistful. It made me thoughtful about the same topic.
Jeremiah says the reason the Minbari almost defeated the humans in the war was because the Minbari are closer to the truth than humans. AND we have learned that the people on Grey Level 17 is because they hacked the system and detached themselves from the rest of B5. Isolationists being isolationist on a tiny little level of a space station is illogical and funny and very, very human.
The Minbari offended by Delenn running the Rangers is called Neroon! That's super familiar and I think I've met him before. He says "During the war I killed fifty thousand of you....what's one more?" Well my dude. I bet you didn't kill fifty thousand humans in one-on-one combat. And I'm gonna go ahead and bet on Marcus's staff-fighting prowess over his.
GET 'IM MARCUS.
This is a well-choreographed and filmed staff fight.
Jeremiah on Grey Level 17 actually is super aligned with Delenn's philosophy on the universe. But is far more freaky about the practical side of the philosophy. tbh. I think Jeremiah did LSD one too many times.
Garibaldi isn't super serious about his threat because his choke hold lacks a fulcrum...Jeremiah could break it anytime he liked if he knew how to identify what wrestling hold he was in....signed...someone whose father wrestled in highschool and taught them from a young age to identify and break choke holds by neck-feel....
GO MARCUS GO GET NEROON.
Neroon: "Why? You must have known you could not win....so why do it?"
Marcus: "For [Delenn]. [...] In Valen's name."
LANCELOT MOVE OVER, GALAHAD HAS ARRIVED
Jeremiah: "Listen. Listen. The only way out is-is to find a purity of thought. A purity of belief! That is the door! The door of the mind."
Hm. This dude is craycray. And his further speech does nothing to dispel the notion. What is screeching??
If Sinclair was Entil'Zha, wthen what was this Minbari Ranger going to designate Delenn?
Damn it, Neroon lives. Bring! Back! Galahad! fuck u neroon. You don't deserve a capitalized proper noun name.
wtf is this thing hunting on level 17 grey?? I don't recognize its silhouette.
Michael Garibaldi (paraphrased): HOW DO WE HURT THIS THING??? *looks at .38 bullets in hand*
Me, reliving my misspent youth: IF YOU GRAB THE SHELL OF THOSE .38s WITH PLIERS THEN HIT THE PRIMER WITH A BALLPEEN HAMMER U CAN SHOOT IT
(yes I did this shit for fun as a child and I am EXTREMELY LUCKY I did not have a mishap of a permanent injury variety)
hmm. Garibaldi sorta used my childhood fun trick but with a pipe to protect his fragile hands.. UNLIKE ME AND MY PLAIN PLIERS AND HAMMER
Neroon kicked Marcus's ass but Marcus is going to recover -a relief. But Neroon!! FUCK OFF.
"you are more noble than I" - Neroon (paraphrased)
THAT'S A GALAHAD MOVE. psych. Marcus got you with his ideological purity and ironic wit!!
The murderous thing on Grey level 17 was a "zarg." OK. Please, if it isn't spoilery, remind me what that is.
This episode feels a bit more disjointed than they usually are, but I liked it. And fuck Neroon!!! Get behind Delenn or shut the fuck up.
*a perfectly good episode. but also. GET BEHIND DELENN OR STFU!!
onward
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after spending 29 hours thinking about a canon-ship scale for that poll, i decided i might as well spend another few hours looking through my old livejournal icons folder to rank the collection of ships i have written/am writing (for better or worse)...
we lost so much when we stopped making those 100x100 pixel icons. where are the pretty tiny photos of artfully cropped couples with even tinier text on them. all we know now is the wasteland of youtube thumbnails on google image search. we used to be a society
decryption key:
same canon, never met on-screen: clone!sam/jack (sg-1) (i'm rounding up from 0.5 here since she's an open-source fanon OC, but you get me)
they interact on-screen: jack o'neill/elizabeth weir (sg-1/sga), b'elanna/kes (st: voy)
some charged interactions: daniel/fraiser (sg-1), troi/ro (st: tng), margaret/trapper (mash), hawkeye/trapper/margaret (mash)
important intimate relationship (not labeled romantic): sheppard/weir (sga), hawkeye/trapper (mash)
one-sided feelings in the text: janeway/chakotay (st: voy) (i will hang for this take i know), miles/keiko/kira (st: ds9), talia/garibaldi (b5) (not necessarily proud of this one but i filled sooooo many five-subject notebooks about them when i was a teenager)
they kiss but it doesn't count: hoshi/travis (st: ent), julian/jadzia (st: ds9), riker/ro (st: tng)
mutual feelings in the text (unresolved): doggett/reyes (x-files), picard/crusher (st: tng - 24th century edition only)
unresolved on-screen, word of god confirmed: sam/jack (sg-1), jake/diane (jake 2.0)
they get together on-screen: trip/t'pol (st: ent), julian/ezri (st: ds9), frank/margaret (mash)
they stay together (endgame): mulder/scully (x-files), riker/troi (st: tng), miles/keiko (st: ds9), berena (holby city - somehow??? i hear we won in the end?), chidi/eleanor (the good place), jason/janet (the good place)
#i see missing ships now but i hit the wrong button and my tier disappeared :(#anyone who knows how to make a public tier please do!!#(and if you do maybe add the ''0. i saw it in a dream option'' i just don't usually ship that and decided to round up for mini!otp)#some livejournal alumni may recognize your tiny handiwork from decades ago#the talia/garibaldi fic that filled all those trapper keepers was called 'evanescence' btw and it was before the band#my entire high school fic writing oeuvre was both prescient and cringe#about mylittleredgirl#canon ship scale
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Ok so I finished B5! I was really prepared to be upset after sleeping in light bc Sheridan, is as anyone on this blog knows, my absolute favorite character, but it was so good and I love the ending. I do think it was a bit fucked up that they both left David in ranger training while his dad was dying 💀 but it was so good!
Zach still being on B5 is iconic he is just some guy ™️ like least problematic Babylon character ever. Love him.
I feel so bad for Delenn because her husband is so chill about dying for a SECOND time 😭
10/10 show fr fr
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There's also physical goods available for pre-order bonuses, but many of them don't have proper pictures yet ^^;;
This will be an acrylic keychain or bookmark depending where you are ordering from
Photo frame key holder
Compact mirror
A set including an accessory pouch, 3 acrylic mirrors (design as the game's icons) and 5 bromide prints
B5 clear file
This is listed as a purse / (drawstring?) pouch
Amazon will have the Roomwear -in game outfit and a round mirror
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254. Douglas Niles - B5: Horror on the Hill (1983)
Do you hate your friends? Do you want their 1-3 level party to face a Red Dragon in their first few sessions of a campaign and just die? Then this is the module for you. A pretty uninspired module that feels a bit like B2: Keep on the Borderlands but with the Keep itself not being fleshed out enough and with little of what made that module iconic.
This feels like a very late addition to the old-school modules that were by this point petering out at TSR for more plot-heavy adventures, and in that way this is quite laudable, that they were at least trying to keep some diversity in modules going. Unfortunately this one just isn't that great, in spite of some fun NPCs, like the two kind of suspicious old ladies who live in a cottage and a fun dungeon adventure against Hobgoblins, the whole thing feels a bit aimless. You are meant to clean up the area and the town will reward you for doing that, but it feels purposeless for the most part, just exploring a map and grinding monsters. Unfortunately sometimes these monsters take the shape of a Red Dragon and you are dead.
Still worth leafing through the adventure for some cool Jim Holloway art, otherwise there are better Basic D&D adventures for levels 1-3 and this is of interest mainly to the completionist, which means yours truly.
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May I present: An argument for why my WoTshow friends may enjoy watching Babylon 5
As we settle in to wait 2 years for more content, a tale as old as time, I realize that some of you may not have seen Babylon 5. And I also realized recently that there is a surprising amount of overlap between the two of them.
So, here are my arguments as to why you should give Babylon 5 (Known henceforth as B5 in perpetuity) a shot if you've not watched it before, or maybe tried a long time ago and bounced maybe try it again. Presented in no particular order.
World Building: I hear you like worldbuilding. Boy HOWDY does B5 have world building. Everything is built up from the get go. There will be important plot relevant events happening in the final season that directly are caused or effected by events in the first season. And at no point does it feel like "Hey, I hear you like thing. Remember thing? Here's thing!" Everything feels like a natural extension of something that came before. And given that it was made in a time when everything was made for syndication, this is a very tough line to balance, but they manage.
Things are pretty real for a sci-fi show: Things don't always just get wrapped up in a nice clean package. Wars may end but they have consequences. Both personal and geopolitical.
Iconic Duos: We've all seen the joke about "Name a more iconic duo than the wondergirls and TBI", but I kinda always say "Londo and G'kar" in my head. I don't say it out loud cause I don't want to ruin a good joke, but still. This series has a lot of quite powerful relationships between people that run the gamut of tropes and a few extra sprinkled in.
Stage Show: In many ways the tv show plays out and feels a lot more like a stage production. Considering a lot of the actors also did a lot of stage work, this makes sense.
Sci-fi as an art choice and not a crutch: Star Trek has the whole hopeful future sci-fi thing going for it, where the point of the setting is to remove the characters from us, so they can examine cultures relevant to the viewer at a removed step. Star Wars uses it's sci-fi setting as a way to make it Totally And Meaningfully Distinct From Dirty Fantasy Movies, and almost seems embarrassed by it's sci-fi parts sometimes. B5 rides the line between them. There is very little techno-babble in the show. But the aliens feel really alien in a way that almost every other sci-fi property misses. And while, yes you could easily make it a fantasy age of sail story by making remarkably few changes, it still works as it's own thing.
Still tackles real life: There are things that are so relevant today that people are still referencing the show to events that happen now. It's a very strange dichotomy where the show looks so 90s, in it's set design and it's CGI, it just screams "Dated tv show". But the content itself is timeless.
Anyway I hope you find the show as compelling as I still do, or at the very least it fills some time while we wait for S3 of WoT show.
Also to anyone who read this from the B5 tag, you should watch WoT for a lot of the same reasons I just listed. :D
Edit Edit: WotShow = The Wheel of Time on amazon Prime.
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*zooms in*
Anyone for B5? (or Keres if she fits that fit) :D
[Outfit meme here]
I already got a request for them in that outfit so babygirl, the legend, the icon Max himself gets this outfit because i love him
#Thanks for the ask!!#Max in a bun strikes again#A messy wattpad bun-#SHOT#Twisted wonderland oc#Twst oc#Maxwell Murray#Terrovania#My art#Answered
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you know if more people watched b5 like londo would become the sex symbol because hes got a lot of the tumblr man of the moment traits because hes so pathetic but it would be yet another injustice because frankly g'kar deserves it hes out here wearing a full lizard prosthetic 8 pack and has a massive collection of tasteful deep v neck robes and has so many iconic lines tumblr stop sleeping on g'kar!!! so called alien fuckers when they see babylon 5 and move right along.. guess you are missing out on the more ethical lizard tits your loss
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