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black-n-white-wings · 3 months

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Yet again fascinated by tumblr users and how they feel the need to show they are such great people (/s). Just saw a post talking about how JYL, when she died, was focused on WWX, and how WWX was focused on her. Dramatic. Tragic. So much to say about it. The pain, and all. And in the tags, we have a "fuck JC" and basically "serves him right for being awful" (not exactly that but won't read it again).

Yeah, man, serves you right that your big sister died in your arms in the middle of a battlefield. You surely deserved to lose your entire family in such rapid fire because you weren't nice or stg like that. Drenched in the blood of your sister, the one that mothered you, saw you, cared for you the best she could, when you were barely out of childhood and already spiraling from the constant horror of wartime. You ass.

... Why? Were those tags necessary? Did you have to shit on a character that wasn't even relevant in your post that clearly focused on the relationship between JYL and WWX? Not even on him? Why did you have to say that anyone (even if they are fictional characters in a world where the author clearly tries to show nuances and grey morality) deserves to have their siblings die in their arms while they're powerless to do anything? Free of charge?

Anyway, I hate this app sometimes and my blocklist keeps getting longer.

#mdzs #cql #jiang cheng #wei wuxian #jiang yanli #the rant is spilling out

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crossdressingdeath · 4 years

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ssree replied to your post:

Hm… having Thoughts about the pledge conference...

Yes please~ More grapehate!

More grapehate it is!

(Usual rules apply, grapehate is below the cut to avoid irritating the grape’s fans because no one wants to see people talking shit about their favourite.)

So, here’s the thing with the whole “JC killed WWX because WWX killed JYL” argument. JC? Was at the pledge conference. He didn’t follow WWX there like LWJ and JYL did. He was there when WWX arrived. The pledge conference? Was the sects openly declaring their intent to hunt down and kill WWX and all those under his protection. The obvious conclusion? JC was planning to kill WWX before JYL died.

Now, that can’t be proven. It’s possible he was just there because... uh... Actually, yeah, the fact that he was at a pledge conference where the pledge in question was pledging his sect to killing WWX is pretty damning evidence as far as whether or not he wanted to kill WWX goes. But let’s say for the sake of argument he didn’t want WWX dead. He was still willingly pledging the Jiang sect to killing his brother! What did he think was going to happen? We have once again reached the point where either JC wants WWX dead or he is so monumentally awful at considering the consequences of his actions that I have serious concerns for the future of the Jiang sect. And don’t tell me he had to take part to protect the Jiang sect. His entire reason for not helping WWX to begin with was that Yunmeng was too weak to step in; he could easily argue that they aren’t in a position to fight an army of the dead, even if actually protecting his brother really is beyond his means, which at this point it probably is. Unless, of course, he was lying about being too weak to help WWX, which is my personal theory what with the situation that led to the other sects trying to split the two of them apart, i.e. that Yunmeng was too powerful.

But anyway, long story short: JC was preparing to kill WWX before anything happened to JYL. There is no reason for him to be at that pledge conference that doesn’t involve him wanting to at least attack WWX. At best maybe he wanted to capture WWX and kill all the Wens. JYL’s death didn’t push him into killing WWX out of grief; all evidence suggests that was already his plan before anything happened to her.

#grapehate #so yeah #jyl's death had pretty much nothing to do with jc's decision as far as i can tell

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yiling · 4 years

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Untamed rewatch Episode 21

In this episode: brief spots of military strategy surrounded on all sides by Wei Wuxian’s increasingly obvious PTSD

-THIS SIBLINGS SCENE...I WILL SCREAM

-“we’ll be together forever” GOD SHUT UPPPPP

-oooh that flinch :(

-I like that jc immediately sees nhs out once it’s obvious wwx is uncomfortable. a good brother

-this very spare arrangement of wuji is interesting

-ugh wrh...already tired of this motherfucker

-oh my god wwx is at a banquet in his honor and all he can think about is missing lwj and his trauma. what a guy

-hey this is the first time we hear the song of clarity!

-is it meant to be implied that wwx can hear this diegetically or what

-ah yes the conflict for the next several episodes: wwx not carrying his sword and wwx’s drinking problem

-my mom: ptsd much?

-interesting to see jyl compare chenqing to zidian. it’s kindly meant! she loves wwx and she knows everyone being on him for not carrying his sword is wearing on him. so I think she intends it as “hey, your spiritual tool can be something other than a sword and that’s fine!” but I think wwx is...less than enthused about being compared to madam yu.

-paused so I could explain the translation of chenqing to everyone

-please talk to yanli ._.

-my sister: I love how they only show nightless city in the nighttime

-I fully believe that at least at this stage, jc would get nothing done without yanli hassling him.

-hey the pattern on jc’s robes matches nmj’s, I wonder if he had them commissioned in qinghe

-I wonder why wwx is so distressed to see the wens being tormented here, since they’re still technically his enemies. (he’s plainly horrified even before he sees wen qing is with them, so that’s not it). My idea of what’s happening here is that when he’s this fresh off the burial mounds, he’s especially sensitized to resentful energy, and that includes the pain and distress of living people. he has to try and channel it through the music to not lose his mind, but it’s too intense to control, hence rockslide.

-this is a sexy shot with the ribbon

-holy shit the flute doubling is so bad lmao. worst thing about xiao zhan’s performance by far.

-this is where I start to get in my feelings about the plot of CQL as mental illness metaphor, and I especially have feelings about wei wuxian’s flat refusal to communicate with his family here. sometimes acknowledging that you’re suffering is so much more scary and awful than just the suffering itself, and I think that’s what his deal is here. if he were to sit down and explain what is actually happening with him, explain what happened in the burial mounds, he’d have to relive it and that’s something he’s doing too much of anyway. better to keep his mouth shut, even though it’s increasingly obvious he’s doing badly.

-wwx my guy, could you possibly have made a less supervillain-like entrance, and said less weird and cryptic shit? all these people are already annoyed with you

-I love xichen’s “what the actual fuck is your problem” expression lmao

-xichen has this discussion about morality with his brother, and i think he...kind of sows the seeds of his own sorrow, here. wangji’s obviously not there just yet, he’s really struggling with it, but he’s gonna hear “things aren’t black and white, you have to judge people as individuals” and run with it. i don’t think the twin jades ever hate or resent each other, but i’m sure that after the death of wei wuxian, after the burial mounds, after the discipline whip and three years of seclusion, their relationship is...not the same. (and frankly, i don’t think that that is xichen’s fault)

-the music that plays here is so lovely and melancholy

-oh boy a reprise of the yiling argument :/// wwx these people all love you and are worried about you

-...but that in itself is part of the problem, isn’t it? like, wei wuxian is angry at lan zhan here because they argued and wwx won’t let it go, but I think the fact that lan zhan decided to talk to yanli (which was extremely good of him, lbr, he’s trying so hard to help this boy out) is partly why wwx is so furious. jiang yanli is worried about her shidi right now, but jiang yanli will always be worried about her shidi, and being around her is one of the few things that gives wwx a sense of safety and normalcy, as raw as he is. he sees lan zhan giving her the “The Dangers Of Resentful Energy” talk as a threat to that safety! i don’t think he really gets that this is information she would like to know because she loves and is afraid for him, and her opinion of him is not going to change based on this. he is desperately, desperately trying to conceal all this from her, and he’s not happy lan zhan is not in favor of that goal!

-it’s non-obvious, since he’s so arrogant and obnoxious all the time, but I think one of the emotions wwx struggles with the most in this post-burial mounds pre-yiling laozu era is shame. i don’t think he feels that awesome about having to cultivate an unorthodox path, i think he feels pretty terrible about having had this awful thing happen to him that he doesn’t feel able to talk about, and i think he especially feels bad that he’s in enough pain that he can’t just keep it under wraps and act like everything is fine. through wei wuxian’s early life, i think he pretty consistently got told that he was a burden to his family and an obstacle to his adoptive siblings. his preferred coping mechanism for this was to smile and laugh and never take anything too seriously, and this worked up until a series of extremely horrible things happened in very short order, and now he’s not in a place where he can just hide his problems under cheerful irreverence. he’s already afraid of burdening his remaining family with his problems, since he’s the one who’s supposed to protect them, and now that people have started questioning his cultivation methods, he’s increasingly afraid that they’ll reject him outright. he’s ashamed of what he’s been through, he’s ashamed of everyone’s increasing suspicion of him, he’s ashamed that he can’t just be who he was before, and it intensifies until he goes FINE, FUCK IT, IF THERE’S NO WAY LEFT FOR ME TO BE GOOD, I’LL BE EVIL, and we get the yiling patriarch

-a lot of people have already talked about wwx baring his throat to lan zhan’s sword here but woof that sure is a call forward...if I could die by your hand...

-we talked a little bit after this about suibian and cultivators’ swords and whether the sword chooses the cultivator harry potter style

-the drama and trauma. will only increase

#cql #the untamed #untamed rewatch liveblog #mine #this set of episodes consists of me screaming WEI WUXIAN TALK TO YOUR FAMILY #while pretty deeply understanding all the reasons he doesn't feel like he can talk to his family #meta

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