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mostlikelytofangirl · 5 months

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This is maybe a bit personal but I can tell you from personal experience that abusive behavior doesn't necessarily come from a place of strategy. Abusive tendencies can come from places like:

"I need someone to blame (because the real culprit is inaccessible)"

"Make it stop make it stop make it STOP" <- the other person is providing some kind of trigger or stressor unintentionally and without malice, but the result is still that it's hurting you. So you will do anything to make it stop.

"You disagreeing with me (opinion) is you disagreeing with Me (identity)" <-sense of self is dependent upon 'winning'

"You can't leave. I can't be alone." <- fear of abandonment and loneliness

The difference between abusive tendencies and being an 'abuser' is merely habit. Sure, some people would rather find a convenient punching bag than try to actually deal with their issues and break those habits if given a choice, but not everyone is self aware enough to know that there is a choice. And some people who are still fuck it up. Every choice you tell yourself will be Just This Once can easily become a slippery slope to bad habits.

I've seen plenty of relationships go sour or fall apart because of the above. It sure sucks empathizing with both the abuser and the victims when you are supposed to believe the the abuser is one of Them, while you are one of Us, and you could never be Them.

Anyway, I've read fics of a lot of characters I love being abusive/abusers and liked them because their potential to be their Worst doesn't cancel out their potential to be their Best. We are multifaceted creatures with no true self constantly affected by the impermanence of nature ect ect.

Sorry for the long ask about abuse haha. None of these are even textbook, just observations. Reminding myself it's okay to disagree.

– Regular Anon

Hello again anon! Once again, sorry for the late reply ^^;

First of all, I just want to say that I'm sorry you went through this and I in no way try to invalidate it. You are fully entitled to how to experience your fandoming through the lense of your own life circumstances.

About the topic of abusers and abusive behavior, it is indeed much more complex than just "bad person does bad thing to another one". Maybe the way I expressed myself in the other reply could have suggested otherwise, but I didn't mean to imply that all abusers are these masterminds that know exactly what they are doing and plan everything. That's just the pattern of behavior they developed through their own circumstances for whatever reason it might be.

However, that's one heavy and delicate topic I'm not equiped to tackle, and honestly, neither do I have the mental and emotional energy to deep dive into orz.

I was just exposing my point of view about why I PERSONALLY and very BIASEDLY think that in JGY's case in particular, him being an abuser doesn't work for me, starting with the fact that FOR ME he is not a villain to begin with.

That was the core of your question, so that was what I focused on in a way that explained where I come from with my opinion. I can't in no humanly possible way account for every instance in which my opinion doesn't fit this or that other experience. This my own personal interpretation of this fictional guy in a fictional story, and neither should it serve as a sample of how I feel about real life abuse or any other irl situation (or we would start playing into antis' rethoric tbh, only able to enjoy pure media or putting disclaimers everywhere about how we don't condone this Bad Action from this Bad Character)

I think it's obivous that we stand on different sides on this issue and that's totally ok! I have no intention of trying to change your mind, I merely offer my opinion that your question requested ^^.

There's a lot of diversity in the fandom and always a fic for every need, so if you find that this portrayal of JGY is in-character for you, then all the power to you, I fully mean it! You are clearly the target audience the writers are trying to reach :D

For me tho, it doesn't, so I just don't engage with it bc fandom is a great place for exploration and meta, but also for unwinding after a long day and just have fun.

#replies #mdzs #jin guangyao #I'm sure there are more eloquent metas about this subject #I just can't get more physolophical rn #fandom in where I go to unplug my brain from the mess that's real life #and at the end of the day I'm just gonna focus on what's fun for me #if I want my problematic fave to be a happy flower shop owner then that's the extense of my psychological deep dive ^^;#maybe after this entire shitshow that I'm going through passes I'll be able to give deeper answers orz

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a-tian · 1 year

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ok i think this goes without saying but jc/chengxian/jgy antis DNI.

#im a danmei account so ik there are some mdzs people here #shipping w*ngxian is ok just leave jc out of it 💀#censoring bc I don’t want them to find lol #also I just like Jin guangyao a lot hating him is fine he’s a terrible person but he’s also slay pls acknowledge this

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canary3d-obsessed · 3 years

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Restless Rewatch: The Untamed, Episode 26 part one

(Masterpost) (Other Canary Stuff)

Warning! Spoilers for All 50 Episodes!

I’m Coming Up So You Better Get This Party Started

The Lans arrive just in time to see Cousin Jin Zixun hassling Su She, and they wonder how he has the fucking nerve to come to a party that they are also invited to.

Su she was invited by his new best friend Jin Guangyao, who deploys a full-on charm attack, wrapping Su She permanently around his little finger.

Smoother than the Lanling weather that’s how he holds himself together Watch out, he’ll charm you

Jin Guangyao grew up with women who earned their living by being charming, pleasant, and hiding their true thoughts from their clients, and he appears to have mastered this useful skill set. With Su She, he exudes confidence and authority, allowing the lesser man to bask in his attention.

With Zewu Jun he deploys helplessness and embarrassment, effectively controlling a man with much greater power than his own.

Lan Xichen confronts him about Su She's presence, and Jin Guangyao pretends he didn't know that Su She was ex-Lan. This seems super unlikely, given that JGY is good at collecting information that he can use to fuck with people, and also that he sheltered Lan Xichen from the Wens directly after Su She betrayed him.

Lan Xichen seems like he doesn't believe what JGY is telling him but then he decides to drop it, passive-aggressively saying that since JGY is uninformed, he's not guilty. Lan Xichen is actually assuming a lot here about his right to tell Jin Guangyao who to invite and who to shun, but JGY doesn't push back. Lying is so much simpler.

(more behind the cut!)

Su She wins for most unintentionally sarcastic-seeming toasting expression.

Jiang Cheng, Party Animal

Jiang Cheng arrives at the party, bringing his Jiang retinue and his bad temper. He super obviously casts around to try to find Wei Wuxian, who already told him he probably wasn't coming to the party.

Jiang Cheng is that guy who only comes to a party because the girl he likes said she was thinking about going, and then he spends the whole party saying "hey have you seen Mei Lin? She said she was going to be here but I don't see her."

Jin Guangyao formally congratulates Jiang Cheng on the Jiang clan's success in the hunt, and Jin Guangshan toasts him. As always, Jiang Cheng reacts to praise from authority figures like it's rain in the desert, smiling from ear to ear. He says that the Jiang Clan will donate the prey from the hunt to the other gentry clans. ...what?

Are we seriously saying that when these dudes go night hunting it's not just to remove dangerous bad stuff, it's for profit?

Like, do they eat monsters? Wear their fur? Make leather from their skin? Carve jewelry from their claws? Is Jiang Cheng wearing a purple monster's skin right now? (There will be an art prompt at the end of this post)

Meanwhile, check out the way Nie Huaisang is looking at Jiang Cheng, wow.

Forecast: Hazing

Having gotten the single pleasant part of the banquet over with, it's time for the Jins to pick on the Lans. Cousin Jin Zixun goads Lan Xichen into taking a drink with him, knowing that this is (mostly) against Lan rules. Jin Guangyao tries to stop him by saying, hilariously, that it's bad to drink and fly on a sword, but CJZX waves this away and keeps pushing, saying that if Lan Xichen won't drink, it's an insult to him.

A random cultivator who is definitely on the Jin payroll backs him up, saying that teetotaling is for losers, and Captain Blowhard boisterously agrees. Loudly agreeing with powerful people is the Yao clan's signature martial arts skill.

Jin Guangyao looks embarrassed and helpless, which is, as mentioned before, his own signature skill. But he's just playing his own part in this piece of theater; everything happening at this party (so far) is happening for the benefit of the Jin Clan. Cousin Jin Zixun is an ass, but he's not actually a loose cannon, and Jin Guangshan is clearly enjoying the Lans' discomfort.

Why? This entire party, the hunt, everything he's done since the end of the Sunshot campaign, has been designed to increase and consolidate his power. His main goal is to get the Yin Tiger seal, but reducing the status of the Lans is also a good move for him. The Lans have been the strongest opponents to the use of resentful energy, and worked the hardest to conceal and contain the Yin iron in the past. If he wants to use resentful energy as part of his own cultivation, he needs them to chill.

So this is a bit of a test; will they comply with the will of the larger group in order to avoid conflict, or will they refuse, which will allow him to label them as iconoclastic weirdos?.

Lan Xichen takes a long look at his brother, who is expressing all sorts of emotions while keeping his face very very still.

At a guess, he is thinking that this entire party is bullshit, that his brother's willingness to play along with these assholes is bullshit, that being viciously beaten for having a single drink in his life was bullshit, that Wei Wuxian not being here right now is bullshit.

Lan Xichen picks the "go along, get along" path, having his drink and using his magic skill of anti-intoxication to neutralize it, as he'd done previously when drinking with Wei Wuxian.

Cousin Jin Zixun picks on Lan Wangji next, and since he cannot magically or even non-magically tolerate alcohol, there is a real risk to his reputation if he drinks. But Lan Wangji breaks rules when he feels like it, not when people tell him to. He pointedly ignores the offered drink while Lan Xichen looks worried.

The rest of the party guests have a wide variety of reactions, none of them helpful, to these shenanigans. Jin Guanshan's son and heir watches with calm interest as the power dynamics play out.

All of this is actually not great strategy for the Jins. The Lans don't play little social games to gain power, because all that time they spend not drinking, not gossiping, and not doing other stuff? Is spent cultivating and practicing sword and musical battle forms. The Lan Bros are overwhelmingly powerful as individuals, and embarrassing them won't change that.

It's moot, ultimately, because Wei Wuxian chooses this moment to arrive.

Darkness Visible

Wei Wuxian actually made a big impressive stair-climbing entrance to Jinlintai a few minutes ago, with camera work echoing Lan Wangji's stair climb at the Wen Indoctrination Bureau from several episodes back.

But nobody was around to see that, other than us, and when he appears at the party it's in stealth mode; he steps into the frame from out of nowhere, and drinks Lan Wangji's unwanted drink.

Lan Wangji responds by looking at him like this for the next several minutes.

Wei Wuxian doesn't have time for their usual sport of Extreme Gazing, though; he came for a reason, which is to find and rescue Wen Ning. He gets right to it, asking Cousin Jin Zixun where he's keeping him.

Jiang Cheng, who is the king of worrying about the wrong fucking thing, jumps up to try to stop Wei Wuxian from talking. Like, seriously, he's ok with the Jins trying to take his clan's special extreme weapon, but he's not ok with his head disciple being rude in order to fulfill a whopper of a life debt--Jiang Cheng's life debt, in particular--or being rude in order to preserve the clan's independence.

Jin Guangshan decides this is a good moment to bring up the Yin tiger amulet. Wei Wuxian pushes back, hard, pointing out exactly what Jin Guangshan is doing. He says he's setting himself up to be a new Wen Ruohan.

Lan Wangji pays close attention to Wei Wuxian's reasoning here, and so does Nie Mingjue, unless he’s just trying to mask his confusion.

Jiang Cheng is too busy being horrified to listen, apparently. Or he just doesn’t agree, preferring to be reduced to a secondary authority, rather than defy a primary authority.

Wei Wuxian is, of course, all about independence; he was literally born to be a rogue cultivator, despite being dubbed “patriarch” himself, not long after this.

Let’s Go Crazy Let’s Get Nuts

Wei Wuxian gets tired of the scene and decides to lose his temper. He makes a show of being enraged, and he genuinely is angry, but I don't think he's out of control, this time.

He acts like he's out of control in order to scare everyone, but he makes his points very clearly, reminding everyone that he has power they don't have, that he's good at killing, that he's not patient, and that his teeth are nicer than everybody else’s.

Everybody in the room freaks out to one degree or another--except Jin Guangshan, who is apparently too pissed off to be scared.

It's hilarious that Jin Guangshan thought he was going to get Wei Wuxian to hand the Yin Tiger amulet over by creating a complex system of social pressure against him. Wei Wuxian's favorite way of responding to social pressure is to escalate it into violence, regardless of the consequences; he's been doing that at least since Gusu Summer School and probably a lot longer. Jin Guangshan should know this, given how many beatings his son has taken from Wei Wuxian over the years.

Wei Wuxian does a fantastically sexy scary, theatrical countdown, and Cousin Jin Zixun caves in and gives him the information he wants. It's worth noticing that even under threat of death, CJZX doesn't comply until he visually checks in with his clan leader. He’s genuinely a bad person, yes, but he’s a loyal soldier, which is what most of these clans value most.

As soon as he gets what he wants, Wei Wuxian is perfectly, smugly, in control of himself again. Everyone in the room is still stunned and afraid, so Jin Guangshan has achieved that much, at least; nobody likes Wei Wuxian having the Yin tiger seal now, including Jiang Cheng.

As he leaves, Wei Wuxian has one of those conversations with Lan Wangji in which everything is said in glances in the course of a couple of seconds.

WWX: I love you, I have to leave you; I've got some shit to take care of and I won't be coming back to all of this.

LWJ: I love you; I'm probably going to have to fight you; your funeral is going to be so upsetting

Wei Wuxian turns away from everyone, and you can see the weight settling on his shoulders, as he contemplates the choices he just made and the choices that are still ahead of him.

Jin Guangshan, for the first and only time, loses his temper in front of everybody, literally flipping a table because he's so mad about what just happened.

Art prompt: Jiang Cheng wearing an outfit made of a Chinese mythical creature. Bonus points if it’s a qilin. Bonus bonus points if Zhang Qiling (from DMBJ/Lost Tomb franchise) is standing next to him looking grumpy while Jiang Cheng wears an outfit made from a qilin.

Soundtrack: Get This Party Started by Pink, Charm Attack by Leona Naess, Let’s Go Crazy by Prince.

#the untamed #the untamed gifs #wangxian #restless rewatch the untamed #canary3d-original #my gifs #learn to count the yiling way #1900 words

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mxtxsblog · 3 years

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SJ's popularity in Chinese fandom

Hi! So discussing about SJ’s characters, I got curious.

I love fandom statistics, but unfortunately I can’t do them. Shame.

But I like to compare numbers.

So I’m glad to present you the popularity of SJ in Chinese fandom.

And of course if I’ve messed up something, please correct me.

So SV is not a new novel, but the fandom is pretty active, because it was greatly delivered by MDZS’s success.

Of course many fans existed pre-2019, but it was not so common.

So. Ok.

The platform I’ve studied is Lofter, because I already know and like it. I can repeat this analysis with Weibo, if anybody is interested.

If you think Lofter isn’t representative, I’d love to discover a new one.

The machine translation I’ve used is google. I’ve tried DeepL, but I preferred Google for this one.

Disclaimers:

-Of course those are numbers. We can’t know if those posts are positive or negative about the ship and the character. My subjective experience as a fan is that usually Lofter users tag appropriately and not use lots of “anti” rhetoric.

-I know that fandom popularity doesn’t mean lots. Some pairings are AO3 very famous and the characters never interact! Some very popular ships are about characters who don’t even exist (like MorMo*!). But sometimes is nice to win the fandom lottery. Especially if my fave has a tragic terribile canon.

The fandom

http://www.lofter.com/tag/%E4%BA%BA%E6%B8%A3%E5%8F%8D%E6%B4%BE%E8%87%AA%E6%95%91%E7%B3%BB%E7%BB%9F

SVSSS

19.19 million views 55768 Participate

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%B8%A3%E5%8F%8D

Another tag for SV

2.738 million views 20252 Participation

The characters

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%B4%9B%E5%86%B0%E6%B2%B3

LBH

81 million views 26646 Participation

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%B2%88%E6%B8%85%E7%A7%8B

Shen Qingqiu

1.557 million views 24757 Participation

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%B2%88%E5%9E%A3

Shen Yuan

158,000 views 1952 Participation

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%B2%88%E4%B9%9D

SJ tag

2.381 million views 18145 Participation

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%9F%B3%E6%B8%85%E6%AD%8C

LQG

615,000 views 4585 Participation

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E5%B0%9A%E6%B8%85%E5%8D%8E

Shang Qinghua

201,000 views 4230 Participation

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%BC%A0%E5%8C%97%E5%90%9B

115,000 views 3225 Participation

Mobeijun

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E5%B2%B3%E6%B8%85%E6%BA%90

YQY tag

86103 browse 2040 participation

The pairings

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E5%86%B0%E7%A7%8B

BinqQiu

15.748 million views 31865 Participate

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E5%86%B0%E4%B9%9D

BingJiu

19.307 million views 24873 Participation

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%BC%A0%E5%B0%9A

Moshang

4.755 million views 10113 Participation

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E4%B8%83%E4%B9%9D

QiJiu

1.292 million views 4363 Participation

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%9F%B3%E4%B9%9D

LiuJiu

1.368 million views 2598 Participation

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%9F%B3%E6%B2%88

Liushen

1.096 million views 1616 Participation

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E4%B9%9D%E5%9E%A3

Shencest

374,000 views 760 Participation

In comparison (minor but fan favorite characters from MDZS, numbers a month old)

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E8%96%9B%E6%B4%8B/new (Xue Yang’s tag, 4.285 million views 63724 participation)

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%99%93%E6%98%9F%E5%B0%98 (XXC’s tag, 1.261 million views 42671 participation )

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E5%AE%8B%E5%B2%9A (SL’s tag, 294,000 views 8902 participation )

http://www.lofter.com/tag/%E8%96%9B%E6%99%93 (XueXiao’s tag, 11.715 million views 27473 participation )

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E5%8F%8C%E9%81%93%E9%95%BF (S*ngXiao’s tag, 2.134 million views 8933 participation)

Big villain and pairing:

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E9%87%91%E5%85%89%E7%91%B6

JGY

7.574 million views 53113 Participate

https://www.lofter.com/tag/%E6%9B%A6%E7%91%A4

XiYao

29.03 million views 50793 Participate

Conclusion:

-SVSSS is smaller than MDZS but it’s an healthy and lively fandom

-SJ seems to be very popular. In fact he’s the most popular characters after BingQiu.

-XY has more posts than JGY. (My baby wins the lottery fandom)

-LBH is the most popular character, followed by SY (called SQQ, ofc)

-BingQiu is the most popular ship of the fandom (duh)

-BingJiu is SJ’s most popular pairing (duh)

In conclusion:

I’m happy because I’ve won another fandom lottery and this means lots and lots of free content for me.

#meta #shen jiu #bingjiu #xue yang

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midnyghtmadnes · 3 years

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So... I finished SVSSS. Gonna just stream out my thoughts. Will be long cause I wanna cover all my final opinions. Then I’ll shut up about it lol.

So, all in all, the novel was enjoyable and fun. Definitely can't say I have the same emotional investment in the characters as I do in MDZS though, except SY, he's my favorite.

To start, I guess this is where fanfics will come into play, but I want more SY and Airplane interactions. They're the only two that can truly understand the other's situation and I think that’d make for a lot of interesting and fun interactions. Though at the same time it's also funny how they have that understanding but their current relationship is basically just like, not a love-hate relationship. But a.. somewhat camaraderie I'll help ya out maybe if you need it-but I also don't particularly like you, relationship. Still, I am falling onto the Cucumberplane wagon (not in a shippy way though).

As for MBJ and Airplane.. I just wish the novel went into the status of their relationship after everything that happened. SQH was constantly stressed out by him and seemed to have had his share of beatings from MBJ. I saw shipping stuff with them as I was reading it and I was like.. ehhhh? At that point the only connection I knew was that MBJ was the one who was supposed to kill him, so I was like ?? Where did that come from. By the end of the extras, I wanna say I'm on board with it lol, but I just wish we saw more.

Tianlang-Jun and Zhuzhi-Lang... :( I love them and am really sad for them. And yes, I do constantly forget that ZZL killed Gongyi Xiao (who I liked a lot), but come on. He's snek Wen Ning and you can't tell me otherwise. I also actually like Shen Jiu's character. Which is kinda funny thinking about it, cause for example I know many ppl find JGY to be a sympathetic villain, and while I can understand, I still hate him lol. But SJ, who feels very similar to JGY in some ways, I find him really interesting and want to explore him more (that's what fanfics are for ayyy). Funny how all the antagonists of this story caught my eye lol. I didn't care for any of the villains in MDZS in terms of nuance (not that they were poorly written, but they just weren't the Type™ I fall for). But SV managed to get me to want to know more about all of them.

Bingqiu final assessment.... complete indifference. It wasn't as terrible as it could've been, and the extras did make it better, but idk. I flipped flopped a lot as I was reading regarding whether I was okay with it. The 50s chapters, no. Then it got better. Then chapter 80 happened and I was just.... it was genuinely painful getting through that chapter lol. I was constantly pausing and just.. collecting myself. Then the extras and I was like, hmmm it seems.. ok I guess. But I still think it's not the healthiest relationship. You can’t tell me his spiel in chapter 79 isn’t still a total guilt trip. Xin Mo exacerbates his negative emotions, it doesn’t make them up. He’s also constantly jealous even in the extras, making comments of suspicion on the slightest things and just wanting SQQ’s attention for himself. His whole world revolves around SY, and that’s just not a healthy thing for any relationship. It’s undeniably obsessive, and while I don’t see LBH acting on his jealousy, I think that’s only because “it’d make Shizun sad” and not because it goes against his morality. I think LBM is just as capable of doing messed up stuff (murder, torture, etc.) as LBG.

I also just feel like there's something that just doesn't connect between SY in the whole novel, and SY in the extras. By chapter 78 he still did not seem particularly reciprocative of LBH's advances. And even within the extras he's very no-touchy and anti-PDA. He tends to refuse LBH’s requests for intimate moments (until the crocodile tears guilt him into doing what LBH wants) and overall is easily embarrassed, like he's not confident in this relationship. I think at the least more lines of buildup should’ve been added, particularly in moments where it was just the two of them.

And you know what also kinda bugs me about it? I dislike how much the story pushed on that SY was confidently straight since birth. If you want to convince me that the initially ‘straight’/uninterested character ends up falling for another guy, just don’t push it so hard in my face contradicting that. Wei Ying flirted with girls, cool yeah. But the novel never gave the impression he was completely closed off to the idea. With how WY is written, I can totally see him being bi. But SY is more like, well I somehow ended up raising the ML as gay but hey that’s not so bad I guess, at the last minute. I can't say I ship LiuShen either, but I can definitely see the appeal when the canon alternative may easily not float your boat. Nothing beats Wangxian in my heart though 💕

As I expected, am sad with how the relationship with Cang Qiong Mountain ended up. I mean I guess it wasn't necessarily on bad terms, but basically his other disciples are left without their shizun and the sect's whole familial relationship is scattered. I guess it's because I appreciate Wangxian staying in the Cloud Recesses, having this space of theirs and the Jingshi that they can call home. I read the fanfics that have LWJ making WY a lotus pond out front and just their beautiful domestic post-canon life. I love that they can go out night hunting with the juniors. They can go out and travel, just the two of them, when they want. They could retire one day if they wanted. But they'll also always have a family to come back to. LQR begrudgingly accepting WY in time. The bread and butter that is Yunmeng bros reconciliation. Bingqiu.. doesn't really have anything like that. For instance, Liu Qingge and LBH are on terms that I don't feel could ever be recuperated the way WWX and JC could. I don't think Bingqiu could ever stay at CQM in complete comfort. So that's just a little sad.

Also is it just me who, when reading, would always imagine TLJ with short hair, even tho nobody ever has short hair in these novels lol.

Anyway lol, I think that about covers everything I can think of. If you got this far, you the real one ✌🏼

#svsss #scumbag villain #scumbag self saving system #shen qingqiu #luo binghe #liu qingge #shen jiu #yue qingyuan #luo bingmei #zhuzhi lang #tianlang jun #mobei jun #shang qinghua

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izartn · 3 years

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Navigating the ChengXian tag in tumblr is.... wild is little for what it is. Like. I came out from the novel with ~feels ~ about those two, and little after (being bored about the same wangxian fics of always) found a fic when ao3 didn’t reach 1000 fics yet, I think, about unrequited ChengXian and my mind went.... actually. from Jiang Cheng perspective at least, it’s extremely likely. So I searched for ChengXian but back then there were like. two or three requited fics not wangxian endgame or grossly kinky (nothing against it but i was searching for character studies not ooc sex). And I went: well, nothing I can do. And read other cnovels and fics and manga.

Today I was picked by curiosity; sometime before I searched AO3 and found more, but it usually isn’t to my liking. So I hit the search bar here in tumblr. And the takes are... wild, as I’ve said, it’s nothing. From really abrasive antis, to really abrasive ChengXian fans supporting Jiang Cheng at his toxic height (and we’re talking about the novel. he’s very messed up there about WWX which is why I find one-sided feels almost canon. nothing changes and it adds angst so it’s there on the back of my head when thinking about MDZS) and calling LWJ boring (which. ok. except for some really well written fic, i don’t really care all that much about him. ok he has really good moments in the novel and goes reall well with wwx but personally i’m not that attracted to his kind of chara. the interesting one is wwx. and jc. and jgy.) but like really insulting. Ouch. That. Isn’t necessary nor wanted.

So I’m a bit ashamed of those crazies. And blocking left and right antis of any kind lol. I’m at just a bit to get to a translate page and go searching for chinese fics xD At least there are more; there is surely some gold buried in there right? And I can practice it too...

If anybody has the link to good chengxian meta or someone who isn’t into bad takes* in this fandom.... I would be thankful xD

*not using deluded anymore bc it has yikes in fandom

#mdzs #fandom #fandom issues #chengxian

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thatswhatsushesaid · 1 year

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sometimes posts like this grind my gears worse than the bad faith takes by the antis because they make me depressed rather than annoyed.

i mean… ok, i guess?? 🤷‍♀️

like i genuinely believe there’s only a handful of characters in the novel who are actually evil, irredeemable assholes, and jgy would not be among their number imo. and it is weird to me that someone can claim to ‘perfectly understand and sympathize with [jgy’s] feelings and decisions,’ and still decide that he’s fundamentally evil and beyond redemption. i don’t think there’s anything in the text that supports this read either, particularly not when we take into consideration jin ling and lan xichen’s respective reactions to having their grieving questioned or ignored.

all that said, there absolutely is a character who is tragically beyond redemption at the end of the novel, and his name is not jin guangyao. it’s nie huaisang.

#salty peak sect 🧂#he did crimes??? good for him 😌#let him have birds!! 🕊️#nb about nhs #i don’t say this to throw shade at him or to character bash but to highlight the difference between how the narrative handles jgy and nhs #like i love nhs and his arc is a tragedy because he becomes a monster #re: the notes i also just hate the entire concept of redemption arcs when applied to jgy #there is no other character in this novel who is held to this same ‘morality’ standard #just to be allowed the right to exist without denigration or humiliation or more pain and suffering

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leatherbookmarking · 3 years

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sometimes i see a person who’s very upset about something a character did, like, hmm, wwx and wq’s illegal surgery on a non-consenting patient or jgy (insert a thing jgy did in any of the adaptations), or jc’s anti-demonic cultivation campaign, how can you ignore that!, and i’m like ok,

but consider: this is not a modern drama, there was a magic war going on, and the people who suffered were nameless background characters

#like even giving them a sad story and a little moment with their spouse and kids is SOME attempt at making me care for them #but if they only appear 2 minutes before dying well. i hope the extras at least got enough money for a nice dinner for that #and particularly the jc and jgy cases are like... i did not read the novel but i have a vague feeling that some things fans take as gospel #were in fact introduced like so: 'they say that during (time) (character) did (thing)!' and like. WELL #i both like and dislike the 'how evil was jgy during his stay in qishan' debate. because. 'oh he killed and was a chief torturer (?)#this is Evil'#in fact scratch that make it jgy's whole existence because. well these things are objectively bad things to do but i feel there's this #expectation of characters to choose death over doing bad things. 'i would rather die than betray my friends'#and choosing to live at the cost of hurting others is universally bad and condemnable. because. well this is a Big debate #but at the same time none of jgy's actions existed in a vacuum. jc did not one day wake up with a new solution for his boredom #jgy Probably didn't start experimenting w/ fierce corpses because he had too much free time on his hands #yes jgs was a horrible man and a rapist but i feel too many people are overlooking his greed for power and control and putting him in the #same sack with jgy. like those wgxn fics everyone and their grandma loves and you check them out and it's like 'jgs and jgy were evil #and wgxn killed them! happy ending.' like bro watch the drama w your FACE cheeks facing the screen not the other ones #the right thing would be not to torture people! tell qin su everything! let the sex workers go free!#you know what also would be right and good? if everyone simply talked to each other but then we wouldn't have the show #p l e a s e #shut up shrimp

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labyrynth · 2 years

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wwx stan/jgy anti salt shh

i just think it’s SO funny when ppl are like “umm wwx is NOTHING like jgy bc wwx is Moral and Good and Kind and Just whereas jgy is Evil and Greedy and Power Hungry and Selfish. wwx ONLY ever did what he thought was RIGHT and JUST!!! jgy MURDERED his father AND his sworn brother AND all of those innocent women!! wwx would NEVER!!!”

uhhh except that wwx would. bc he did.

like are we forgetting the whole mutilation and torture and “feeding a guy his own flesh” thing or are we just ignoring it?

like okay we’ll put that aside. are we forgetting the whole “intentionally and gleefully torturing hundreds to thousands of enemy cultivators to death” thing or are we ignoring that too?

okay fine. we’ll put that aside too.

what about the whole “intentionally and gleefully torturing potentially hundreds of non-combatant wens and others tangentially affiliated with them who may have been caught up in the war” thing? are we ignoring that too?

yeah that’s the funny thing about military bases is that actually, there tends to be a lot of non-combatants there too. you know, doctors, servants, prostitutes, etc. all i’m saying is that wwx wasn’t exactly discerning when he was on his happy fun torture joyride.

(it’s ok tho we all make bad decisions sometimes. unless you’re the son of a whore. in which case you’re just evil. uwu)

#salt is salt #basically boils down to ‘yeah my blorbo killed innocent people but so did yours. at least i’m not pretending my blorbo was in the right.’#mdzs talk #jgy tag #cough #this post brought to you by war crime apologism on account of ‘YOUR blorbo is evil and MY blorbo is a moral paragon’#posting without fear bc i have op blocked and they have me blocked right back #i’m soooo tired of ppl being like ‘wwx has never done anything wrong ever’#like are you implying that war crimes and torture are good or are you just stupid #especially when it’s compared to jgy #like yeah jgy did some fucked up things #he’s also responsible for the greatest amount of cumulative good in the entire book #he killed TWO of the biggest threats in the book (wrh and jgs) and then invested in public infrastructure #like no offense to wwx but maybe his little commune might have been more successful if he tried to AVOID antagonizing powerful people #who already disliked him immensely and were itching for reasons to take him down #like maybe…get this…you might have been more successful if you had played the game #instead of flipping over the table and running away with the pieces #shhh #i love wwx but he thinks with his gut more often than is advisable

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wifiwuxians · 4 years

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Most of MXTX fandom is “anti-anti” so it’s hard to find people who aren’t. I don’t know if I’m an anti(though I’m also nope to pedo/incest), I used to be anti-anti but lately I feel iffy about the lack of responsibility people have for what they *share publicly* on the web/social media. It’s also hard to find “anti” fans who like JGY. OTL I’m glad I found your blog and nie-huaisang’s blog.

man jgy is like, my favorite character and im totally against that shit fjsjclwjfl i think this fandom did help me branch out a little and explore morality and complexity within relationships even further but there's some shit ill always be like "nope" about. i don't wanna ever make bad things seem ok, yknow? im glad you found us too!

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canary3d-obsessed · 3 years

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Restless Rewatch: The Untamed, Episode 25, part one

(Masterpost) (Other Canary Stuff)

Warning: Spoilers for All 50 Episodes!

Holy crap, Episode 25! We’re halfway through! *Cue Bon Jovi*

Hunt Invitation

After taking a nice long break to watch Word of Honor pick lotus pods, Wei Wuxian and Jiang Yanli return to stressing over the shitshow that is the post-Sunshot cultivation world. Jin Zixuan has come to invite them to the Phoenix Mountain Hunt, with a special invitation from his mother to Jiang Yanli. Jiang Cheng reacts to this in a mature and reasonable manner, while Wei Wuxian...doesn't.

On the surface, Jiang Cheng has matured in recent months; much more than Wei Wuxian, with his secret burdens, has. But it's only on the surface, as we'll see later in the episode, when Jiang Cheng's insecurity will take the reins.

Jin Zixuan is adorably pleased by Jiang Yanli's acceptance of the invitation. Wei Wuxian is less pleased, but sort of tries to suck it up.

Jin Zixuan kind of undercuts the romance of his errand by asking Wei Wuxian for the Yin tiger amulet as soon as Jiang Yanli is out of earshot.

As always, Jin Zixuan makes an impression by being the best Jin currently in existence, but the Jins are terrible. JZX is working to advance his dad's ambitions, and as such he is currently Wei Wuxian's enemy.

(more after the cut)

Opening Ceremonies

There's a bunch of cultivators arranged for the opening ceremony. Later someone will say that this is more than 5 thousand people. Ok, sure.

As I've said before, it's best to think of it like a theatre production and assume the other 4,900 people are offstage or, you know, painted on the backdrop.

The young lead cultivators from the four main clans are standing together. Nie Huaisang is trying out some new body armor.

The clan leaders are seated up on the stage, along with Jin Furen and Jiang Yanli. Unfortunately Jin Furen doesn't seem to have a personal name that I can discover. Her title Fūrén ( 夫人) means she's the primary wife of the head of the family, according to this excellent meta.

So “Madame Jin” is a decent translation...if you're French? I feel like instead of English subtitles including borrowed words from French (”Marquis” in NIH), Greek (”Water of Lethe” in WOH), and other European languages, we could try borrowing Chinese words instead. Jin Zixuan's mom is titled, not named, Jin Furen. Since we don’t know her actual name, I'll call her that and abbreviate it JFR.

Wei Wuxian's childishness continues at the opening of the hunt, as does Jiang Yanli's encouragement of his childishness. I know she's had a rough couple of years, and it's understandable to want to baby her little brother out of a sense of nostalgia. But it's not good for him, and she shouldn't do it; she should encourage him to be more mature, just as she does with Jiang Cheng.

War Crimes Contest

Jin Guangyao says they're going to have an archery competition, and they're going to liven it up by endangering some prisoners. These prisoners are Wens in Wen cultivator uniforms, meaning they're not the noncombatants that were being hunted down earlier. But they’re still helpless people in chains.

There are three different reactions when the Wen prisoners are brought out. All the Jins are pleased, or neutral. All of the Jiangs, including Wei Wuxian, are upset.

The Nies and the Lans, what we see of them, are a little shocked, but not obviously upset. Based on those reactions, it seems like this is a maneuver that in-world is considered shocking and cruel, but not necessarily unethical or immoral. Shocking, cruel displays of power are pretty normal in this world; remember when Wen Chao lit a Lan cultivator on fire just to say hello, and nobody complained?

This whole scenario, of course, has been designed to provoke Wei Wuxian. One major goal of this event, and the whole reason for wanting Wei Wuxian to come, is to get the Yin Tiger amulet. Making him lose his shit in front of 100 5000 cultivators is a good step toward compelling him to hand the amulet over.

We see Jiang Cheng and Jiang Yanli both signaling Wei Wuxian to keep it together, and he takes a step back and tries to chill.

Meanwhile, Jin Zixuan seems annoyed by all this, and goes to take a shot at it, making it clear from his demeanor that this is easy and JGY is making a show of nothing.

He hovers in the air and makes a perfect shot, pleasing most of the crowd and impressing Jiang Yanli.

Then his cousin Jin Zixun taunts the crowd, challenging anyone to do better. This presents a bit of a problem for Wei Wuxian. For the sake of the Wen prisoners, Wei Wuxian should just take this taunting and let the contest end, if no-one else is willing to take a shot. But for the sake of the Jiang Clan’s status, and his continued control of the Yin Tiger amulet, he needs to put the Jins in their place.

Every Day is Blindfold Day

This moral dilemma is resolved with an abrupt tonal shift, where the humanitarian concerns of all parties seem to vanish. Wei Wuxian flirts embarrassingly with Lan Wangji and then goes as far over the top in besting Jin Zixuan as it's possible to go.

The flirting hits differently, incidentally, when you edit Jiang Cheng's annoyed reaction out of it:

Lan Wangji doesn't seem embarrassed by Wei Wuxian's request, despite it happening in front of 100 5000 of their fellow cultivators. He looks Wei Wuxian straight in the eye for longer than necessary before turning away; it’s not exactly stern disapproval. We’ll get very used to this look, in Wei Wuxian’s second life.

Fortunately, Wei Wuxian carries a blindfold with him wherever he goes, (gifset here), and he is such a good cultivator he can hit 5 parallel targets simultaneously without even holding his bow straight or tightening the string.

(OP fixed the angle of the bow for this gif, which is why everyone is standing on a hill in the background).

Everyone is pleased by this shot except Jins Guangyao and Zixun; even the Jin cultivators are clapping, and Madame Jin is presumably this happy any time Jin Guangyao’s plans go wrong.

With that they start the hunt. Jin Zixun challenges Wei Wuxian to do the whole hunt blindfolded. Wei Wuxian agrees, but the censorship committee said no, apparently, so we don’t get to see that.

Flute Hunting

We do get to see Wei Wuxian luring monsters into his nets by being too sexy for his robe, too sexy for his robe, and playing the flute.

We also get to see Jiang cultivators looking puzzled while random monster roars happen in the woods around them. We do not get to see any monsters, which is probably just as well.

Jiang Cheng is annoyed and concerned, muttering "I told you not to overdo it" which means he didn't, you know, tell Wei Wuxian NOT to do this, just not to do it quite so well. Jiang Cheng knows what Wei Wuxian’s abilities are and he is making use of him, as he should, but he doesn’t have the courage of his convictions.

Tree Confession

Wei Wuxian sees Lan Wangji and starts to say hi, but then he has a desaturated flashback to Lan Xichen telling him to back off, so he stops himself. But then Lan Wangji comes over to talk to him.

Lan Wangji starts off talking to him about his latest anti-resentment musical discoveries, and Wei Wuxian pushes back, even calling him Lan Wangji, but gently. Wei Wuxian asks "who am I to you?" and Lan Wangji turns the question right back at him, then waits a looooooong time, eyes downcast, while Wei Wuxian thinks of a serious answer.

Wei Wuxian says "I used to treat you as my zhījǐ" --which, as we’ve discussed before, is variously translated soulmate, confidant, intimate friend--with a strong meaning of "the person who truly knows me." Lan Wangji says "I still am." Coming from Lan Wangji, who NEVER says how he feels about Wei Wuxian or about anything, really, this sounds a lot like a confession of love.

It definitely takes the form, visually, of a love confession, as Lan Wangji speaks, then gazes at Wei Wuxian while he waits for a reply. Wei Wuxian's reply is this:

I don't think Wei Wuxian is oblivious (I'm speaking strictly of CQL, not MZDS, as always with these posts; they are different works). I think he loves Lan Wangji back, and knows it. But Chenqing and everything it represents are between them.

Lan Wangji is quite literally NOT his zhījǐ any more, because he doesn't truly know Wei Wuxian right now. He loves him desperately, but he doesn't know about his core, and hasn't accepted his cultivation method. So Wei Wuxian answers his confession by showing him Chenqing, effectively declining to accept his still-conditional love.

Snake Measuring

Next we get terrible hetero courtship in the form of Jin Zixuan finding snake discharge on the ground and talking to Jiang Yanli about comparative snake measuring. Seriously: that is the actual conversation that they are having.

Jin Zixuan boasts for a bit, and then awkwardly tries to ask Jiang Yanli on a date. When she turns him down he gets mad, because he's a typical heterosexual dude even though he's secretly a delightful person...very, very secretly. Jiang Yanli, for her part, can't string a fucking sentence together to save her life whenever he's around, so she's not helping their mutual understanding.

Lan Wangji attempts to hold Wei Wuxian back from beating Jin Zixuan’s ass yet again, but eventually JYL wants to leave, JZX tells her to wait, and WWX intervenes. Why doesn't Jiang Yanli have a maid or Jiang cultivator with her while she's on a date, incidentally? These kids are confused about whether they're doing feudal patriarchy or whether they're doing modern social life.

Jin vs. Jiang

Wei Wuxian jumps in between Jiang Yanli and Jin Zixuan, which JZX objects to. Jin Zixuan has no fucking business objecting and Wei Wuxian is 100% right, at this point. As soon as WWX shows up JZX should hand her off to her Shidi, bow, and leave her the fuck alone. Instead, he draws his sword on Wei Wuxian, and kind of on Jiang Yanli since she's right behind Wei Wuxian. Fortunately, Lan Wangji blocks him.

This instantly blows up into a Jiang-Jin Clan conflict, with Jiang Cheng unfortunately absent since he let his unmarried sister go off in the woods alone with the son of the Cultivaton world's most famous lecher. It looks like it’s a personal conflict, but since Jin Zixuan already told Wei Wuxian directly that Jin Guangshan wants his amulet, any arguments between them are part of a larger power struggle.

Cousin Jin Zixun comes running up to start shit. Wei Wuxian pretends--I am SURE he's pretending--not to know who he is. The dude hassles Wei Wuxian every time he sees him; Wei Wuxian is a troll, and right now CJXZ is butting in to something that doesn't concern him. Rather than argue, Wei Wuxian insults him by telling him he’s not memorable.

Jin Furen shows up with several maids and cultivator dudes in tow, which is the proper way for a highborn woman to wander around in the woods. She also brings Clan Leader Yao, because if it's Wei Wuxian Blaming Hours, Yao is going to be there.

I initially found the deep friendship between superhot Yi Zuyuan and dumpy Jin Furen implausible, but then I remembered that my lifelong bestie is a smokin' hot redhead with impeccable fashion sense, while I am a roly-poly nerd. Friends don’t always match. Also, Jin Furen's actress, Hu Xiaoting, looks like this:

...so she is actually hot in real life. Not as hot as Zhang Jingtong (who plays Yu Ziyuan) but literally nobody is as hot as Zhang Jingtong. Don't @ me, you know I'm right.

This is a heck of a long scene, so we’ll pick it up in part two!

Soundtrack: Livin’ on a Prayer by Bon Jovi

Writing prompt: Newly-divorced, cold-hearted CEO Yu Ziyuan buys an apartment next door to newly-divorced, warm-hearted pastry chef ...uhh let's call her Jin Dàngāo (蛋糕), sure. She can name her business after herself.

They discover their daughter & son are in the same college class, and so they meet up over coffee....several times...trying to matchmake their hopeless, hapless kids, while bonding over their own terrible (former) taste in husbands. Who will Cupid strike first, the kids or the moms?

#the untamed #the untamed gifs #wangxian #restless rewatch the untamed #canary3d-original #my gifs

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