I understand what Angel saw in buffy but why would a 16 year old fall in love with him?
Why would a 16 year old fall in love with him or why would Buffy, as a character, fall in love with Angel as a character? Why is there such a resistance to look at what drew them to each other as characters?
Like, sure, we could talk about the instant chemistry
and instant attraction
and the mysterious older guy who some people would classify as tall, dark, and handsome (lol), particularly season 1 David and his sense of nobility and how that would appeal to a teen girl (that's virtually why Cordelia wants him in the first couple of seasons of BTVS) but that's not the real question, the real question is what Buffy sees in Angel and this is when it needs to be restated that Bangel is a love of epic, transcendental, almost folkloric proportions
and it's basically two souls meeting and Buffy recognizing/seeing/loving his soul
because Angel, like her, fights for Good, strives for Good, is a soldier of Good
and then in the minutiae of that, she can rely on him or talk to him or be with him
in ways that she can't be with others because she doesn't feel like she has to protect him from her own human vulnerabilities, whereas with Giles and the Scoobies, she doesn't always feel comfortable showing her vulnerabilities or expressing the burden of her Calling, because she's supposed to be strong and put on the Brave Face but with Angel, she doesn't have to do that, he's her solace, he's her comfort
he's her support, he's her backup
and he understands and still helps her find her strength
they talk about her non-slayer issues, like why she likes skating or what Joyce must be feeling
and within that they can joke/be soft/tease
like this is what it's about.
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people will say "oh i don't like Bangel, it's such a messed up relationship."
(which i mean, everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion and it's all personal preference anyway)
but i'm like "heck yeah it's messed up, that's why I like it!"
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hi, can i join the buffy S7 hate? i could write ESSAYS but i can’t rant at my sister who loves this show and spike, lol. imo, the most annoying thing about spike/spuffy is how the show manipulates the viewer (and buffy) to feel sorry for him. before S6 buffy’s feelings for spike were hate, contempt and pity, and her more positive feelings were basically her ”rewarding” him./1
and buffy-obsessed spike is basically like the trio of incels in S6 but spike’s behaviour is played for laughs or brushed aside or the show blames *buffy*. like, at the start of S7 spike makes a mocking comment about the rape attempt. then buffy finds out he has a soul and *she* has to rehabilitate him and *she* apologises when she understandably gets startled when spike unexpectedly touches her and then the whole ”you were just using me” when buffy tolerated and gave spike way more than he ever deserved. or her speech about how she wasn’t emotionally available even for spike when it’s like, no girl, spike was stalking and abusing and trying to rape you, you didn’t owe him anything. spike/buffy was all-around insulting. or the ”he’s the only one who has my back” when i’m sorry, was i watching the wrong show, because all i saw in S7 was spike being a useless dude in distress. the show increasingly woobified spike because it was easier than him earning things. i mean, just contrast angel/spike in S3/S7: angel more or less rehabilitated himself, unlike spike who put the onus on buffy. when angel was harassed by the first, he was ready to kill himself so he wouldn’t hurt anyone and he was ready to do it *alone*, without telling anyone. unlike spike who *did* kill people and then tried make *buffy* kill him, again leaving the onus on her. and p.s. spike had a lot better chemistry and more interesting interactions and potential with basically every character who wasn’t buffy so i don’t get why they wasted time on that. (and i'm so sorry, it did turn into an essay lol)"
well, that's the thing. buffy just becomes spike's caretaker and his apologist
feeling bad about him feeling bad about hurting her
and he doesn't actually do anything for her except bring up again and again how he got a soul for her, as if that's supposed to mean anything,
and it's not any different from when he was soulless and just told her he loved her like he was supposed to get a prize
so when she tells him that she's not ready for him to go, i'm like WHY, he hasn't done anything! he hasn't even been a comfort to you, in "conversations with dead people" a random vampire is the person you talk to about the things you don't want to admit to your friends
spike's just there like
or like this
or he's not there and it's like
so what does he actually do for you except be the one to tell off your friends when they act OOC and kick you out of the house just so he can say something people can point to to be like, omg he understands her better than anyone!
and this is why i have problems with storylines in which loving a "heroic" or "good" character is treated as a heroic act in of itself (or loving a morally grey character is treated as a dark act in it of itself) because that's not a redemptive quality on its own. and spike isn't redemptive.
people like to bring up his attachment to dawn as an example of him doing good or being good even when he's soulless but that attachment is directly linked to buffy rather than it being about dawn herself
which is why they don't have any scenes together or why he doesn't even ask about her the minute he and buffy become sexual. even when he gets a soul, there's no relationship there because it's not about actually caring about other people, it's about buffy.
AnGeL wAs JuSt GiVeN a sOuL - but like you said, he earns his redemption, the whole point is that he chooses to do good for the sake of good, buffy is a source of inspiration for him absolutely
but she doesn't determine whether or not he does something good.
and i just prefer that.
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