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afaimsarrowverse · 5 years

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Crisis on Infinite Earths

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So given what I have been reading and watching lately, I just can’t anymore. What some self-promclaimed experts and people who should know better are claiming ist just so wrong, it hurts

So here is a short list of the most common misunderstandings concerning the future of the Arrowverse and “Crisis on Infinite Earths”.

(By the way, only ever believe stuff that comes from offical sources, take even the stuff Pagey and Ben say with a grain of salt, there sources may be reliable or may not be reliable, and in the time between production and transmission a lot can change (they same goes for canadagraphs). And please listen to their whole videos, they are going to tell you were they got something from and how believable they think it is most of the time. If they don’t name sources, they are probably just speculating, please keep that in mind).

* “Crisis on Infinite Earths” will be a five night event.

No, while there are five episodes, the last two parts will air on the same night. So it’s four nights: Three in december and one in january.

* It will be the crossover-event that imbebds “Black Lightning” into the Arrowverse.

Kind of true. Black Lightning played by Cress Williams is in the crossover-event. However there will be no tie-in episode in “Black Lightning” and it’s unconfirmed if any other BL-characters will show up in the crossover. Furthermore “Smallville” and “Birds of Prey” will also crossover in the Arrowverse with this event. Does this make them part of the Arrowverse? I guess, that’s up to debate.

* Tom Welling will be the third Superman in “Crisis”.

Kind of true. There are two important versions of Superman in the crossover: The Arrowverse-One played by Tyler Hochelin and an aged up version played by Brandon Routh. However Tom Welling is reprising his Smallville-Character in the crossover as well. And he will be in a scene with Tyler and Brandon. But he is not heavily involved in the crossover, and it’s unknown if he actually is going to be in suit or not.

* Erica Durance and Tom Welling will reprise their “Smallville”-Characters, but Michael Rosenberg will not.

Probably true. Michael Rosenbaum did post a rather long explanation for him not being in the crossover. This explanation is most likley true, but it could have been a calculated lie an/or a ploy to get more money for a cameo, or he could have changed his mind after all and now be in the crossover anyway. However, none of this is very likely.

*Justin Hartley is the Smallville Green Arrow in “Crisis.”

Unconfirmed and probably not happening due to “This is Us”. If he is in it, it would be a very small cameo.

* Helena Wayne is the only “Birds of Prey”-Character in “Crisis.”

She is the only confirmed character in “Crisis” as of now. It would be kind of strange to not use the Black Canary, whose actress is a regular on one of the Arrowverseshows, but somehow no one ever confirmed her for that part, so maybe it’s just Huntress.

* “Crisis on Infinite Earths” confirms that “Birds of Prey” takes place in the same timeline as Tim Burtons Batman-Movies.

I really don’t think so. There will be a nod to the Tim Burton/Michael Keaton-Batman-Movies, but I don’t think that there will be a connection to “Birds of Prey”. The newspaper of the Keaton-Verse shows an article about Bruce Waynes relationship with Selena Kyle, yes, but this takes place in the present and the picture they used shows a young Michael Keaton, so where should the grown-up daughter come in? As nice as this would be, explaining it would distract from the actual storyline.

* Michael Keaton will be in “Crisis”.

You wish. I wish. We wish. I really doubt it.

* Kevin Conroy is Old Man Bats.

Yes, he is. That’s literally all we know about his role though. He spoke about a Bat-suit, so at least it looks like we finally get a proper look at a version of Batman during Crisis.

*The Titans in the crossover are not the Titans from “Titans”.

Okay, so about that. There was a scene involving the Titans which was marked as filmed. We don’t know who was in that scene, but it was a cameo-moment. So, the only version of the Titans that was ever shown in a non-animated adaption of DC Comics was the version from the DC-App. Now, there is the rumor/claim that the actors refused to shoot said scene for various reasons and that the scene was scrapped. Of course one could do a scene involving alternate versions of Wally West und Roy Harper posing as the “Titans” from any odd Arroverse-Universe. But why should anyone bother to do this? Also, it’s very likely that those two are not even showing up in Crisis at all, so why bother doing this scene at all? So unless it turns out to be an unexpected animated scene, the only Titans making sense appearing in Crisis would be the current Titans from the DC-Show with the same name.

* Tom Ellis is playing Lucifer in Crisis.

Oh, boy, that one. We have photos. And denials. So, the mostly likely scenario is, that Tom Ellis is going to play an unnamed angel or demon who is going to be summoned by John Constantine in order to do something (probably bring back Oliver from the dead). While the character is dressed like Lucifer Morningstar in “Lucifer”, my guess it that he won’t be named that onscreen. So this is going to be an indirect crossover, where everyone knows it’s Lucifer, but no one says it. Unless the sequence gets scrapped, because it leaked. However given that it is a scene of plot-importance that probably won’t happen.

* Given that Brandon Routh is leaving “Legends” Ray Palmer will die in Crisis and stay dead.

Okay, this is what prompted me to right this article. Yes, Brandon is leaving “Legends of Tomorrow” alongside his wife. He filmed his last scenes a short while ago (Probably). BUT THE LEGENDS TIE-IN EPISODE IS THE FIRST ONE OF SEASON 5 AND TAKES PLACE BEFORE THE REST OF THE SEASON. A SEASON THAT RAY PALMER IS VERY MUCH IN FOR THE FIRST HALF SO UNLESS HE IS UNDEAD FOR THE REST OF SEASON 5 HE CAN’T DIE FOR GOOD IN CRISIS! Rays last episode is most likely to either be 5.7 or 5.8 because “Crisis” is not even the official first episode of the season, but more like episode 5.0 or a special between seasons. Yes, they filmed it between the episodes 5.7. und 5.8 along the other shows for technical reasons, but it takes place before the events of season 5.

* Mick might die in Crisis.

Like I said, Dominic is very much in season 5. The Legends Tie-In of Crisis takes place before the events of season 5, even though it was filmed as episode 8.

* Zari Tomaz is in Crisis.

Again: Crisis takes place before the events of season 5. During the season finale of season 4 Zari was erased from the Legends-Timeline and her brother Behard took her place. The Legends can’t remember Zari, they think Behrad has been their teammate all along. There will be a new version of Zari in Season 5. But this version will under no circumstances debut during Crisis. However another version of Zari Tomaz from another universe could be in the crossover for a brief cameo.

*Behrad Tomaz is in Crisis.

I thought so too, because he is in the current Legends-Team. however the only Legends we know for sure to be in Crisis are Ray, Sara, Mick und John. It was pointed out to me that including Behrad could be to confusing for the general audience. So he might just sit this one out, like Evelyn did the Arrow-Tie-In of “Invasion!”.

* Batwoman ist the only Batwoman-Character in Crisis.

Possible, but unlikley.

*Batwoman will catch up to the other shows timeline-wise before Crisis

Not necessarily. Given the Waverider, Harbinger, and the Monitor and the events of Arrow 8.4 time travel is very much on the table. Batwoman could just be taken from her current late 2018/early 2019 timeline for the crossover. Or the Tie-In-Episode takes place later than the episodes after it.

* Crisis will end with all universes merging in one.

I hope not. It’s possible, but would be a very stupid move. As in any adaption this one will be very different from its source, so don’t bet on it.

* “Superman and Lois” und the Arrow Backdoor-Pilot will be the new Arrowverse Series for the next season.

At this point a pilot for “Superman and Lois” has been commissend and the Backdoor-Pilot for the Mia/Canaries-Show has been flimed and will be transmitted in January. Neither show has been picked up yet. This won’t happen before pilot-season, which means we won’t know for sure until mid 2020.

* “Supergirl” will be cancelled because of “Superman and Lois”.

While it is entirely possible that “Supergirl” will end after Season 6 (given that standart US-television-contracts run for six years), the show won’t be cancelled for a potential Superman-show, that might not even be picked up. If “Supergirl” ends, it will be because Melissa wants to move on, not because of Superman.

* Next season is going to bring a six part/ seven show crossover.

I have nightmares about this already. But we can’t know until we know the 2020/21 programm of The CW.

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sfppn · 4 years

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End of an Era

I’ve just made a decision about my comic book buying habits, based on a seismic change in the industry.

For those who have not heard (which I’m guessing is most of you), DC Comics is ending a partnership with the main distribution channel, Diamond Comic Distributors. Diamond has been a monopoly in this space for 25 years, mostly due to terrible decisions made by the comic industry, which caused a vacuum that Diamond stepped into, and is not worth going into here—you can Google it.

Instead, DC is choosing to bet the farm on two new distributors, set up specifically during the COVID crisis to allow their comics to continue flowing, after Diamond wisely decided to hold off delivery on what is really an optional purchase for their customers at the time of a crisis—especially when almost all local comic shops were closed. When I say the distributors are new, they did not exist 2 months ago. Both are shell companies for existing comic book shops, meaning if you have a comic shop and want to sell DC comics, you have to buy from another shop. It’s been likened to running a regular book shop, with the only option to buy your stock from Barnes & Noble.

So, I am making the call to severely curtail my DC orders and move on to other publishers. Why am I doing a blog about this? Because I have been buying comics, week after week, since 1986—the grand majority of them being DC titles. I have over 23K comics all “bagged and boarded” in “longboxes” in my basement.

As a kid, you have to make a choice with limited allowance money. At the time (the early 70’s), Marvel was all about realism—drug addiction, racial concerns—while DC had aliens and ray guns. I wanted escape, so I chose DC. I purchased dozens of comics down at the Schuman’s Drug Store in North Canton OH (long since gone), then moved on as I got into my teens. Apart from a few exceptions, and the titles my brother bequeathed me when he left the house, that was it.

Cut to 1985, and an intern job for a state agency in Akron OH. I was bored at lunch, and a funky mall called Quaker Square was across the street, complete with a comic book shop (by this point, we had what we now call the “direct market” where you buy comics at an actual shop dedicated to them, rather than at the “Hey Kids Comics” turnstyle at the drug store). It just happened that DC”s Crisis on Infinite Earths was in full swing, and I was hooked.

By the time I graduated college, I was buying from Comics, Cards, and Collectibles in Canton OH. It was a hole in the wall, but they had what I wanted. In early 1987, I moved to Columbus, and thinking I was cool, I started buying from Monkey’s Retreat, a really funky place with lots of indie comics (as well as “comix”—look it up). It was a hassle to park in the OSU area, and after a while I moved to a long gone business which I think was called Oakland Park Comics, close to the Northland area where I lived. I know I was buying there when the Batman movie hit in 1990.

A while later, when I moved over near Sawmill, I went to Central City Comics on Bethel Road (also defunct), and was there for several years, living through “The Death of Superman” and the distribution wars that brought us to where the industry was until yesterday. Once I moved down to Grove City OH, it was too big a hassle to go all the way up there, so I tried out Black Hole Comics over by Westland. I think they went through at least 3 owners while I was there, each one less and less interested in actually running a business. So, I was looking for a new place, and I was up in Hilliard one Saturday for an event that hadn’t started. I had heard that a place called Packrat Comics was in the area, so I looked around. I think I had a brochure from them?

The place was much smaller than they are today, but the place was clean and organized (not the standard setup of most shops), and Jaime and Teresa were so friendly, that I decided that day to switch over. That was around 2008 I think, and I’ve been there ever since.

So, I’m saying that this has been a long-time habit, and it’s hard to break. However, I am so frustrated over DC Comics’ decision that I made a lot of changes to my “subscriptions”, pulling the plug on many DC titles that, frankly, I was buying more from inertia than any major interest in the contents. DC (and Marvel) have lost their way, with constant “events” that demand you buy dozens of books in order to know what’s going on. A plan to do yet another “reboot” at DC has apparently been strangled in it’s crib after a management shakeup. Not saying that would have fixed things, but it couldn’t have hurt. And now this move to punish local shops and customers at a time both are dealing with financial and social upheaval.

I’m not going cold turkey on DC—I enjoy Brian Michael Bendis’ work on the Superman titles, the LSH, and his Wonder Comics imprint. Justice League Odyssey is taking some bold story moves (although I’m not sure it will last much longer). Rucka’s gritty Lois Lane and Fraction’s goofy Jimmy Olsen stay in the mix, although both are miniseries and are wrapping up. I’m giving Batman a few more issues to find it’s footing after Tom King’s stellar run. Speaking of King, I’m hoping to see how (if?) his bizarre Strange Adventures title works out. But the rest—Flash, the other League titles, Nightwing, Wonder Woman, The Terrifics—sorry.

I’m going to reach out to indie titles, which will hopefully fill the void. Perhaps this might change in the future, if DC ever moves forward on a rumored JSA title, and the oft-delayed “Other History of the DC Universe” (covering “heroes of color”). Based on DC’s next “event”, Scott Snyder’s Mad Max pastiche “Death Metal”, this may be a good time to get out anyway. Perhaps the recent comic embargo has given me perspective on all this.

I’m not sure what this means for the podcast we’ve been doing for 12 years—”How I Got My Wife to Read Comics”. For the most part, the show involves us talking about recent comics I’ve picked up, with DC getting the lion’s share of coverage. There will definitely be adjustments in the format.

Stay tuned.

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