if the members of fob were lesbians, by a lesbian

Lolol the number one complaint and we weren't allowed a question on the survey lolol oddly understandable but let's see if they make good work on that! Maybe they will? Dalcom I know did similar things but it wasn't that in depth questions like this so very curious

Tbh the entire comeback is interesting to me! Like I know to some fans they say svt is "predictable" with concept pics or how it plays out like some still say it with this one but imo it feels different? Like the concept photos are interesting how they seem to follow a story but then boom, fast and furious with the last one lol. But oh Gosh the topic about the more producers *sigh* but like can some fans take a chill pill on this topic? I feel like everytime we see more producers, some fans get a tad bit too worried on this and I do get it but also let's just wait? We haven't heard ANY of the songs yet and everyone is already acting like it is going to sound like a certain hybe artist English song that came out that asks about permissions to dance lol. Again, I do get the slight worry but imo as long as we still see a heavy involvement of the usual people of svt music (bumzu and woozi) we shouldn't worry too much. Now if they were seen less and less, yeah we should get worried but their names are ontop. They are still hands on and I doubt either of them would allow a song to not have their svt touch that makes svt music well, their music and I know some fans are going to be itching to correct me about how post bighit it isn't BUT as you answered another ask about this exact topic, everyone has their own opinion on this and I can confirm this was happening BEFORE bighit move. I have seen it happen during fear era myself how everyone was saying "omg fear is not seventeen!!" Or how everyone was saying seventeen needs to go back to "making good music like in boys be era" and I simply just think its a matter of preference on what you like to listen to? Sure you can sometimes see the decline for some artists but if anything for svt imo it is consistent just there are changes. Its normal and common. To me they haven't changed in quality musical wise, it still is something you can connect to svt even post bighit. I agree with many of your points on this topic that is constantly brought up like how this is out of our control, at the end of the day we have no idea what happens behind the scenes so who knows how those music sessions actually happened. Producers will work with artists regardless of they are fans or not, as long as I don't see a questionable producer on a svt song? I'm good imo. Sometimes it works i mean rwy is a good example because why it felt very punk rock for some like myself and that might be because one of the people behind the song is the person behind the band, the ready set! So fellow emo carats you can rejoice lol it is cool to see that sometimes. It was a nice blend of western but it has that svt touch. But of course some would argue back and say no it isn't and we are going in circles lol. Always will be sadly for every comeback you cannot please fans at all because as you mentioned, they worked with outside producers before being in bighit so now I bring the question to some fans is, would we see some of the producers that did work with popular kpop groups still work with svt if they were not in bighit? My answer is yeah because svt is a pretty popular group that is growing still. They are well loved and respected so I'm sure we would have seen those names pop up. Maybe it would be less but I don't think we should all be saying itd bighit to blame when again as you said, svt worked with other producers before.

Which is why finally what you said with how really arguing about this isn't going to get us anywhere, like I even said I have seen this topic before so it isn't going away but it is pointless to argue (note not saying you cannot discus but I hope you know what I mean here) Wait until you hear the songs? Because then you can decide is it really a decline or is it you just not liking the song? Idk again like I said I don't want to sound mean or anything and I do apologize, maybe its because of the recent events in my life that got me more annoyed at how some fans are taking this seriously when my lovely carats ndjajdjsjs don't sweat too much over this really. We won't get a satisfying answer to this and nothing constructive comes from this as you also mentioned, instead we just get fans pointing fingers and thats not what should happen, we should be all in this together hsm style and getting excited to hear the songs ya know? I mean those post bighit songs have to still be svt because its getting them new fans so is it really going bad in where svt loose their brand? I have seen some new fans admit they listened to their older songs but it wasn't until rtl, l&r or rwy they were like ok time to be a fan so something still has to be working right? Lol idk you have every right to not post this ask, especially with how I may come off than usual so you can smack me off to Pluto. I mean it is also ok to not like all songs svt make and considering how long they are a group, it makes sense. For Pete sakes boomboom is still somehow seen as the song many carats don't like xD like i love boomboom but hey, you are allowed to not like that song!

yeah, ultimately i think everything you said comes down to compassion and respecting other's opinions and tastes. like, everyone's going to have a different threshold for when they get worried about the production credits. personally i get somewhat worried seeing 15 names i don't recognize on a tracklist, there are some people who don't pay attention or give to shits about the producers, there are others like you who would get worried if woozi and the other members weren't the first names on the list. and there are others who would worry seeing one new name they don't recognize

and like, i don't think there's anything wrong with any of those points of view. but i think we should understand where other people are coming from. ultimately i think every fan wants good music from svt, we just have different opinions on what that looks like. and at the end of the day, as fans, none of us have control over any of that so it's pointless to argue. i think it's fine to be able to say "this isn't important to me, but i get why you would be worried about it" or "this is something i worry a lot about, but just because you don't also worry about it doesn't mean you don't care at all"

and the same goes for the songs themselves, regardless of who produced it. i said this in the last ask i answered but i really wish people would recognize that just because they don't like a song doesn't mean it's bad or that it's not svt, bc if svt are involved in producing a song, isn't it inherently svt?

but on the other hand i think there needs to be a balance between recognizing that it's fine if some fans don't like a given comeback, and also recognizing that it is possible for certain releases to alienate a lot of fans. i think fear is a good example of this, because it was very divisive and the reason for that is it WAS a lot different from the music svt had released before. and i don't think there's anything wrong with liking or disliking the song. but it's important for for both fans of fear (as well svt and pledis themselves) to recognize that it's expected for a lot of carats to not like it given that svt up til that point had largely built their career and fanbase on brighter songs, which fear was very much not

and i think the balance of that is that, again, it's okay for any individual to like or dislike any song. and if you're someone who likes a divisive song, you need to think about why others may not like it and recognize that that's okay. and if you're someone who's on the other side of things, recognize that it's okay to like an artist and not like every song. and if you're not liking a lot of the new music, you may be happier moving on rather than getting your expectations let down over and over again waiting for an old sound. it can be disappointing when it happens, but artists are allowed to change their sound and try new things

the last thing i would like to challenge though, is that i don't think that just because a change in concept or new songs are bringing in more fans necessarily means that "something's still working". i get that this is a defense against fans who are the type to be stuck in the past and hate on every new release. which i agree can be frustrating, but it's a line of thinking i would caution against. the reason for this is because it's essentially saying that, as long as we get numbers (whether it's views or sales), it doesn't matter whether we drive away old fans. and that it not a good formula for a healthy or stable fanbase, because it prioritizes numbers over keeping the loyalty of fans. it's possible to stay popular with that approach, but if you continue to follow whatever the current trend is just to get views, then you're going to have a lot of turnover in your fandom which can be an issue for a lot of reasons

and like, i'm not mad at you or anything for saying that. i think it's sort of a non-issue for carats at the moment anyway because despite svt having a few controversial releases (namely fear and rtl, and possibly rwy) and concerns over producers, i really don't think there's like a mass exodus of old fans who hate the new sound lol. and while i do think svt's sound has changed since debut (they haven't stayed freshteen for 7 years straight), i do think they're aware of their fanbase and they try to make music they think carats (and they themselves) will like. and they've said that they don't just make music to follow the trend either. and even if this was a problem, it's not like it's something we as fans have direct control over anyway, because we don't decide what music svt releases

but it is something i wanted to flesh out a bit because i think it's a statement that carries a lot of implications and can be dismissive to any old fans who are having trouble liking newer releases. because whether you relate to it or not, it's very valid to feel upset if a group you really like has moved toward a sound you don't like. and some people can definitely be annoying about it, but at the end of the day i think the best way for it to be handled is for those people to recognize on their own if they need to move on from the fandom if they're really enjoying it that little

again, it all comes down to compassion. it's okay to like a song or not, but be compassionate to those who are struggling with not liking new songs, and be compassionate to those who are enjoying music, even if it's music you personally don't like

I don't even know where to start.

People were right, IG kiss photo came true. It's like a mandatory shit for couples or something.

And it looks... off. Perhaps they're enjoying it and it's not so staged in their minds because "we're dating, so..." but man, the lips aren't even touching so she could see the mirror and get that pic, his elbow looks cramped and uncomfortable, the overall topic was off because you'd think she'd post a relevant pic to the podcast. Wait, did that came after or before the podcast dropped? Anyway, how many tries this took to get all the angles and "quirkiness" right?

Perhaps this is proof she lurks around here? It's like she has a list she has to tick off haha

And Alex... why are you so cringy nowadays man?

He was cringy before in his Vikings era, but in a more dorky way and we'd thought "Yup, that's just our boi's jokes being cringe 😊" but now he just seems like that friend that's too far gone already once he gets into a relationship. Spark left his soul or something.

But hey, maybe he was already like this and this was what he was really looking for. Maybe the Alex we knew during that time wasn't the real him. He probably said all those things about privacy and not being so present on social media because he was expected to. Or maybe because he didn't have a love interest back then to show off? Otherwise, he would have done this sort of thing long ago.

We all miss his seemingly old self but people change as they grow older and their values change too.

(I wonder if his followers will drop even more after this picture? 🤔 Like the last straw or something lol)

I feel like the couples who act so lovey-dovey on IG and stage all kinds of romantic pictures, aren't truly like this in real life. I know I'm repeating myself, but if you're so in love that you're kissing your boyfriend/girlfriend on an elevator (or somewhere else), would you just enjoy the moment, or say something like "Stop, babe! Let me just take a picture of us kissing to show everyone!" ? 😅 It's just a little silly, it takes away all spontaneity, and I wonder what "the old Alex" (or that version of him he wanted to present) would think about this, the same Alex who wanted to keep his private life private and believed there should be a day without phones so people could focus on the present moment, on things that really mattered.

But maybe you're right, anon. Maybe "the old Alex" that we all grew to love and admire never existed in the first place, and he just said whatever was expected of him, whatever would make him look different and special. Or maybe he did change. Because love bombing is real enough for people to disregard their own boundaries and values, trying to please the object of their affection. But as we don't know him personally, I'm afraid we'll never get an answer to this.

Although, I can answer your last question. This change is his behavior has been costing him followers. Since the last time we checked, last week he had 2,173,070 followers, and now they've dropped to 2,171,284. So he's been losing a considerable amount (1786) in a short period of time.

Book anon here to say today is a happy day because it is dk and vernon day ^0^ the fact they share bdays makes my heart so big like djakdnaks that's the best thing really! (I say this as I don't like celebrating my own birthday lol but that shiz makes me soft) like how can it not get better than sharing a birthday with your fellow bandmate who is also your buddy :'))

Back on topic, I am happy that in the fandoms I'm in, update blogs or accounts are well loved so no drama there but I agree on cc peeps, my gosh the decline of them is obvious for the past 2 years =/ I remember 2018 the carat fandom here was HUGE with creators and lots of notes but now...its hard to see more than 200 for some and while numbers don't matter because you should ALWAYS be doing this for fun, its so shocking to see the interaction go so low and its more likes. I do have a theory as to why this is the case and it might be due to nowadays, people on Tumblr find reblogging alot to be "too much" akaspamming. I would know because some told me I do this and I'm like ??? I am simply reblogging content I like and if it means hitting the rbelog limit so be it djajdjw. Legit idk why its seen as bad nowadays when everyone used to reblog alot and no one complained so maybe this could be why? Again a theory but it would make sense and its a shame if this is the case :c I admit I like stuff because I sometimes do reblog it for a color theme but mostly I hit the reblog limit so I want to reblog it later xD

But let's not get into people that take others work as their own -.- now I get giving credit for say icons (I do this for icons and headers I use because its the least I can do. I would link it but idk how to do it on Tumblr lol) but taking someone's say gif and just posting it on twitter to share is like ??? You do know there is a share button that SHARES THE ORIGINAL LINK BACK RIGHT? Smh i can't with people. That's why I try to make sure for icons at least I know its not a repost and try to stay away from pintrest as best as I can (also svt on pintrest? Are they making moodboards or smth? I leave Tumblr for a bit and this is what I come back to lol)

Oof I wrote too much again sjamdna I'm living up to my emoji huh? XD but yes my tooth is better! It hurt again last night but today we are good!

I'm late answering this but yeah the fact that dk and vernon share a Birthday is super sweet! it's fun that they get to do their birthday live together as well ^^

but yeah i joined carat tumblr around late 2017/early 2018 (i made this side blog during oh my era but I'd been reblogging svt stuff on main before then) and I'm p sure most if not all the cc's i originally followed are inactive now :( obviously like you said content creators should make content for fun and bc they want to and not for the notes, but it's understandably disheartening when less people are interacting with it and even the people who do still see your content are (at least seemingly) less enthusiastic about it (ie liking but not reblogging it, less ppl writing things in the tags or replies, etc.)

but that's so wild to me? I've never heard anyone say someone is reblogging too many things like... how do you expect to see posts if people don't reblog stuff?? id welcome that extra content on my dash dhfjfh. i guess you can go in specific tags but like. idk reblogging is the main function of tumblr i don't know why there are people sort of against it/not as willing to use it (i mean... i suspect at least one factor is other social media platforms relying more on algorithms and likes to show people new content and ppl are just more used to that maybe?)

i feel like to some extent people feel entitled to have every or any gif or fanart or fan content on their platform of choice, but like if an artist posts something on tumblr but not on twt or instagram it doesn't HAVE to be on twt or insta. people can make a tumblr (or whatever platform) account if that's the only place a creator is active and they really want to see their content. and if people want to share something cool to another platform it is not hard to just post a link to the original post and tell people to check it out. like i do that every once in a while if there's a translation that doesn't allow reposts, but i still want ppl to know that trans exists if they wouldn't normally. and yeah!! you're gonna get less engagement that way!! but that's when you need to question whether your intention is really to share something cool w people who wouldn't normally see it or if you just want clout from this cool thing for yourself

and obviously not everyone who reposts things wo credit or permission has such innocent intentions as "i want to share this cool thing" but i think in a lot of cases it is something similar to that where ppl see something and they want to use it or share it for whatever reason and they just forget that it's something an actual person took the time to create and chose to share it. fan creations, unless otherwise specified, are not like memes in that they're intended to be shared and edited and copied to hell and back

but yeah pinterest is the worst in terms of reposts. like very little if any of the content on there (at least that's fandom related) is original content. the vast majority is reposts from other platforms without credit. a few weeks ago i saw someone on twt post like an old SVT photo or something and someone asked where it was from and they were like 'idk i saw it on pinterest' and when i tell u my blood boiled dhfkfj like!! ok!! so you're reposting a repost and u have no idea what the original source is... great

but yeah i have no idea what SVT is gonna do with pinterest... guessing it's just gonna be pledis posting official/behind photos that they also post on twt anyway. it really looks like it's something bh made them create given other bhl artists also have pinterests they're all following each other. also pledis didn't even officially announce the new account opening anywhere as far as I've seen so like. i think they really don't care dhfkfj

i really don't know what bh thinks they're gonna gain though like. ik there are active fandom pinterest users but i think most of them also have other social media like twt or insta. like they're not cracking open a huge new market, and LITERALLY NO ONE expects any musician or celeb to have an official Pinterest so. it's just so unnecessary dhfkgj

I'm glad your tooth is feeling better!!!