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frankensteincest · 2 years
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I cannot express it; but surely you and everybody have a notion that there is or should be an existence of yours beyond you. What were the use of my creation, if I were entirely contained here? My great miseries in this world have been Heathcliff’s miseries, and I watched and felt each from the beginning: my great thought in living is himself. If all else perished, and he remained, I should still continue to be; and if all else remained, and he were annihilated, the universe would turn to a mighty stranger: I should not seem a part of it. My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I’m well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He’s always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being.
EMILY BRONTË, Wuthering Heights
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firestorm09890 · 2 months
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On Wuthering Heights and Canto VI (part 1)
if I don’t ramble I’ll die (spoilers, obviously)
so far this is probably the closest canto to its source material. we've got so many of the same things- Hindley being an asshole and treating Heathcliff poorly when running the Heights, Heathcliff only running away after hearing what Catherine said, Catherine getting married to Edgar (Linton, I guess? now that's interesting) and then dying, Hindley drinking his life away, even details down to Hindley asking his father for a violin on his trip where he picked up Heathcliff are the same.
The scene with Cathy talking about the feathers in the pillow was especially interesting to see, because that was such a small thing with a different context in the book and it's here in a different form.
What changed the most is that on his trip away from Wuthering Heights, instead of doing whatever the fuck he did in the book, Heathcliff ended up getting friends, AND got to see Ishmael go and destroy herself in the name of revenge firsthand, so he now has the character development to not perpetuate the cycle of abuse. I like that kind of canon divergence. we'll see if he gets worse from here, though!
I really appreciate them leaning into the gothic horror potential of a ghost in a house (though, of course, given how project moon stories go, it probably isn't just a ghost in a house, but like, that's what it gives the image of right now)
so, Linton. Linton Edgar, from the Edgar family. That's.... weird. Especially since Wuthering Heights already has a character with the given name Linton, and especially since Linton Edgar (LCB) and Linton Heathcliff (Wuthering Heights) are both very sickly (and, ngl, Linton Edgar is just as whiny as Linton Heathcliff....). But Linton Edgar seems to be filling the role of Edgar Linton. Linton Edgar also has an older brother who "left" and that's how he ended up with most of the family fortune, and neither Linton Heathcliff nor Edgar Linton had an older brother. it's definitely a standout when compared to all the stuff from above that's one-to-one with the source material. since they're already setting up some weird mirror world shit, I'm inclined to believe this is also related to that, but what the hell are they cooking
Nelly seems way too cool and cute, which makes me think she'll either betray us spectacularly, or die horribly.
Josephine, on the other hand, is hilarious and I hope she survives no matter what. I wasn't expecting Joseph at all and they went and genderbent him (gotta meet that old hag quota). Her personality is mostly the same, though the dedication to god seems to have been replaced by a dedication to the establishment, which makes sense in this setting.
thrilled to see how things get more fucked up
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princesssarisa · 2 years
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Ebenezer Scrooge and Heathcliff for the Character Ask Game
-Ebenezer Scrooge
one aspect about them i love: That in his old age, when anyone would expect it to be "too late," he gets a second chance not only to be a better person, but to be happier than he ever was before.
one aspect i wish more people understood about them: He's neither a criminal nor a fair, reasonable man at the beginning, and just because he isn't the former doesn't mean he's the latter. He isn't a crooked businessman; everything he does is within the law. He's just the ultimate unfeeling conservative. But neither is he in any way a good employer to Bob Cratchit just because he doesn't criminally abuse him. The threat of Tiny Tim's death shouldn't be brushed off with "19th century families usually lost a child or two" and "It's Bob and Mrs. Cratchit's own fault for having too many children" – talk about missing the point!
one (or more) headcanon(s) i have about this character: He's going to live longer than he would have lived if not for his redemption – far past the time of his death shown in the Christmas Yet-to-Come vision. Now that he's not a miser anymore, he'll take better care of his health, and now that he has friends, he'll have people to take care of him if he ever falls ill. He'll also be happier and have more will to live.
one character i love seeing them interact with: The Ghosts. They tell him exactly what he needs to hear and the vulnerability they draw out of him is the key to his character.
one character i wish they would interact with/interact with more: Tiny Tim. It's no wonder that adaptations so often give them interactions; Tim is so important to Scrooge's transformation, yet in the book they never directly interact apart from the narrator saying that he became a second father to the boy in the end.
one (or more) headcanon(s) i have that involve them and one other character: After his redemption, he'll reconnect with Belle, and while they won't become a couple again (especially not if her husband is still alive), they will be good friends.
Heathcliff
one aspect about them i love: The delicate balance the narrative strikes between creating sympathy for him and never excusing his horrible actions.
one aspect i wish more people understood about them: That he's not a dashing romantic hero, but not a one-dimensional monster either, and just because he isn't the one doesn't mean he has to be the other. Also, he's not white.
one (or more) headcanon(s) i have about this character: Isabella is the only woman he ever sleeps with, and only to produce an heir. He never had off-page sex with Cathy I, as much as some people want to think he did at some point or other, and he has no interest in sex with any other woman.
one character i love seeing them interact with: Nelly. It's fascinating that he confides in her to the end, even when they're not allies anymore, and our greatest insights into his character come from what he reveals to her.
one character i wish they would interact with/interact with more: Hareton. Next to Cathy I (and not counting his hated enemies), probably his most important relationship is with this young man whom he reluctantly comes to care for, and Hareton is the only person besides Cathy I and her father ever to give him unconditional love. It might be nice to see more of their one-on-one interactions.
one (or more) headcanon(s) i have that involve them and one other character: He secretly blames himself more for Cathy I's death than he'll admit. That's part of why he hates his son – he knows that if he had never pursued Isabella, then Cathy I would still be alive, and Linton is the living symbol of that union. By outwardly blaming only Edgar, Cathy II, and Cathy I herself, he's basically acting like Demona from Gargoyles: "What have I... what have they done to you?"
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siren-of-redriver96 · 2 years
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Villian Heights (part 6)
(reading Wuthering Heights for the first time and  trying to figure out the deal with this book with some assumptions from  previous summaries of the story)
Today:
(from the narrator switch to Cathy’s burial)
(spoilers and kind of heavy themes - also strong language)
(btw some of my quotes may not be word for word because I’m reading it in another language)
narrator, thanks for pointing out Nelly being a good narrator, that’s nice
Cathy sitting by the window, the way it’s described, that’s kinda beautiful
wait - he’s covering her in kisses - she kissed him first ... am I the only one who still didn’t see their bond as romantic until now?
idk - I know this sounds weird, but hear me out: I’ve never really seen them as being “in love” ... this chapter goes more into this direction, but ... I know they declared their love for each other, but to me, it always rather seemed like their bond wasn’t so much romantic love as rather a deep bond between two people whom, growing up together, just had no other reliable relationship for so long, and held each other up during their abusive childhoods, and are also, as Cathy points out, very similar in thinking and feeling ... they’re more like family-like friends to me. Maybe it’s because their bond came out of tragedy and pain they withstood together rather than positive meeting and dating
and Cathy has a point. The whole conflict between Heathcliff and Edgar, the whole tearing her apart between them because neither wants to share - she’s got a point here.
but boy - it goes back and forth between them. I’m not gonna claim she isn’t possessive of him (meanwhile she’s crazy and so is he, so...)
their argument - yeah, they are scary.
and yeah, she suffered from being locked up
Bronte makes a point, however, that he is also possessive of her - nice balance there (and they’re still both insane)
oh - what he did next kinda caught me off guard.
it gets uncomfortable. she said no, Heathcliff, let go please.
that kinda caught me off guard too, though it only lasts one paragraph
it’s sad how much they cling to each other right after that - like I said, this isn’t a run-of-the-mill romantic bond ... they have no one else
poor Nelly, she tried
what?
.............. Catherine was pregnant?
is it just me or did the book not mention that?
it’s said that Cathylin was born at 7 months, but ... I feel like it wasn’t brought up, not even by Nelly, nor by any vizualization
I’m super confused right now, correct me if it was mentioned at any point
I mean, everyone just goes on and on about how sick and crazy Cathy is - nobody ever mentions a bump, a future heir to Thrusscross Grange - and I think this would be something Cathy would elaborate on in her usual way.
and it would be important for Isabella, that’s her brother’s child after all.
and it would be important for Linton, that’s possibly his heir*ess (which would matter to Isabella as then she would be no longer next in line to inherit the estate)
speaking off: HOW. Does Heathcliff not mention anything? He’s not mad at the sheer fact that Linton put a child in Cathy? He’s not mad that his might foil his plans to get Thrusscross Grange?
unless... he’s already planning to either gamble the estate away from a son or wed the daughter to an adopted Hareton - or to a son by Isabella? I’m not sure if England back then had already banned the marriage of cousins
or he just marries the girl himself in the future? Unfortunately that would be legal since they’re not blood relatives :/
Heathcliff’s reaction to Cathy’s death is dramatic, but probably the most sane reaction we’ve seen from him in a while - their obsession with each other is still unhealthy, but you kinda feel for him in this moment
Nelly braiding together Heathcliff and Linton’s hair and putting it back into Cathy’s pendant was pretty wholesome
Linton respecting Cathy’s wish to be buried in more nature, by a hill, and how he was buried beside her, was kinda nice ... their relationship wasn’t healthy, but this was nice
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dahlia-coccinea · 3 years
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Wuthering Heights - Chapter 3
This is a somewhat difficult chapter to discuss fully in a single post. It introduces so many important themes and has the first glimpse of the story of the earlier inhabitants of the Heights. Sorry if this is too long - I've tried to keep my comments concise. It is difficult for me to not mention every tiny detail I like lol 
We learn that Zillah has worked at the house a year or two and is aware that Catherine’s old room is off-limits but seems to know little else. It shows that despite the emotional unloading that Heathcliff does to Nelly he is very reserved about all that has happened in the past. 
It seems the house has been ruled by chaos for years and there is an instinctual need for the inhabits to defend themselves against it. We see this when Lockwood first climbs into the box bed and closes the doors he says he “felt secure against the vigilance of Heathcliff, and every one else.” The need to shut out the world and crawling into small spaces is repeated later in this chapter with Catherine's diary details how, with Heathcliff, in an attempt to avoid the cruelty of Hindley and Frances “made ourselves as snug as our means allowed in the arch of the dresser,” and closed off the world by fastening their pinafores together. 
We get some other interesting glimpses of Catherine and Heathcliff early friendship. It is quite popular to say that Heathcliff is Catherine’s whip and he is a blank slate for her, but I think this diary entry is another example of their oddly egalitarian relationship. First, we have this scene of Catherine lashing out against their ill-treatment:
I took my dingy volume by the scroop, and hurled it into the dog-kennel, vowing I hated a good book. Heathcliff kicked his to the same place. Then there was a hubbub! 
That Heathcliff swiftly follows her lead certainly shows a reciprocation of the other’s attitude and worldview - or simply that if one is going to get in trouble then the other will follow suit. Still, I do hold that he doesn’t just mimic her or do as she wishes. We get a number of examples that show neither play a clear leader in their antics with one happening shortly after this incident. Catherine's diary continues: 
I have got the time on with writing for twenty minutes; but my companion is impatient, and proposes that we should appropriate the dairywoman’s cloak, and have a scamper on the moors, under its shelter. A pleasant suggestion—and then, if the surly old man come in, he may believe his prophecy verified—we cannot be damper, or colder, in the rain than we are here.
Here Heathcliff takes the lead in coming up with more plans to get further into trouble and it seems Catherine is more than pleased to go along with it. 
There are other, now iconic, details of Catherine’s character in this chapter. Such as this description of the box bed from Lockwood:
The ledge, where I placed my candle, had a few mildewed books piled up in one corner; and it was covered with writing scratched on the paint. This writing, however, was nothing but a name repeated in all kinds of characters, large and small—Catherine Earnshaw, here and there varied to Catherine Heathcliff, and then again to Catherine Linton.
And later:
Catherine’s library was select, and its state of dilapidation proved it to have been well used, though not altogether for a legitimate purpose: scarcely one chapter had escaped a pen-and-ink commentary—at least the appearance of one—covering every morsel of blank that the printer had left. Some were detached sentences; other parts took the form of a regular diary, scrawled in an unformed, childish hand. At the top of an extra page (quite a treasure, probably, when first lighted on) I was greatly amused to behold an excellent caricature of my friend Joseph,—rudely, yet powerfully sketched. An immediate interest kindled within me for the unknown Catherine, and I began forthwith to decipher her faded hieroglyphics.
Catherine holed up in the box bed and writing on every spare bit of paper she can get her hands on and scratching her name in the paint, tell of someone who has no one to talk to. She’s alone and is compelled to at least make sense of herself with ink and paper. Nelly does say later on that “there was not a soul else that she might fashion into an adviser” beside Nelly herself. Which is a poor adviser, considering how Nelly disliked her throughout her childhood. 
Adding to Catherine’s loneliness is the endless abuse of Heathcliff and herself, at the hands of seemingly everyone in the house. In this short excerpt from her diary, we are told Hindley’s treatment of Heathcliff is “atrocious,” and that now he is the new master they are no longer allowed to play, and “a mere titter is sufficient to send us into corners.” Heathcliff has his hair pulled by Frances, Catherine’s ears are boxed by Joseph and they’re both berated and verbally punished by him. Finally Hindley “seizing one of us by the collar, and the other by the arm, hurled both into the back-kitchen” where she says that outside on the moors “cannot be damper, or colder.” Upon their return and proceeding punishment she says she’s cried until her head ached. Consistent with what we later hear her tell Nelly, that Heathcliff’s miseries are her own, it is not her punishment or ill-treatment that makes her so upset but the casting out of Heathcliff. She writes: 
“Poor Heathcliff! Hindley calls him a vagabond, and won’t let him sit with us, nor eat with us any more; and, he says, he and I must not play together, and threatens to turn him out of the house if we break his orders. He has been blaming our father (how dared he?) for treating H. too liberally; and swears he will reduce him to his right place—”
Critics that suggest Catherine is glassy-eyed and naive idealist really gloss over these excerpts in my opinion. There is a constant downplaying of her abuse compared to the other characters among those that seemingly think she’s the only character with moral agency and therefore the cause of all problems in the story. 
I love how strange the encounter that Lockwood has with the book “Seventy Times Seven, and the First of the Seventy-First,” and the following dream is when first reading Wuthering Heights. Hardly anything in WH is superfluous and when rereading it this makes much more sense. This is quite an interesting segue into meeting Catherine’s ghost, and later learning more of her life. Forgiveness is such an important aspect in the book and will come up many times. Notably, while on her deathbed, Catherine tells Heathcliff she has forgiven him and that he should forgive her. 
I think it is amusing and also very interesting how in Lockwood’s dream he’s walking with Joseph (in itself is very metaphorical) and Joseph tells him he should have brought a “pilgrim’s staff” and that Joseph’s staff is really just a “heavy-headed cudgel.”
It’s unsurprising the appearance of Catherine’s ghost is so iconic. It’s impossible to discern if it is merely Lockwood’s dream or him actually encountering her spirit. There are details about her that Lockwood, at this point, does not yet know. Still, he does make many attempts to logically explain what happens. Either way, the imagery of the scene is both frightening and tragic. 
We get some really interesting glimpses of Heathcliff’s character in this scene. Normally he is very collected and if his emotions are out of control they tend towards anger, but here we see him truly terrified and unable to maintain composure after finding Lockwood in the room.
Heathcliff stood near the entrance, in his shirt and trousers; with a candle dripping over his fingers, and his face as white as the wall behind him. The first creak of the oak startled him like an electric shock: the light leaped from his hold to a distance of some feet, and his agitation was so extreme, that he could hardly pick it up.
Even after Lockwood identifies himself Heathcliff is said to have found it “impossible to hold it [the candle] steady” and was “crushing his nails into his palms, and grinding his teeth to subdue the maxillary convulsions.” It is interesting that Heathcliff doesn’t become so angry that he throws Lockwood out. It’s another oddly humanizing moment for him. An overly dramatic author would likely have him behave like a complete monster, but he instead tells him to finish the night there and not to scream like that again. This is a scene that I wish we could have some perspective from Heathcliff. Not only is he startled by a noise coming from Catherine’s old room but then Lockwood adds to his distress by rambling about Catherine saying:
And that minx, Catherine Linton, or Earnshaw, or however she was called—she must have been a changeling—wicked little soul! She told me she had been walking the earth these twenty years: a just punishment for her mortal transgressions, I’ve no doubt!
This and Lockwood’s further talk which makes it apparent he has snooped and glimpsed a little bit of Catherine’s and Heathcliff’s past, does set Heathcliff off: 
“What can you mean by talking in this way to me!” thundered Heathcliff with savage vehemence. “How—how dare you, under my roof?—God! he’s mad to speak so!” And he struck his forehead with rage.
Lockwood doesn’t quite understand this reaction saying:
I did not know whether to resent this language or pursue my explanation; but he seemed so powerfully affected that I took pity and proceeded with my dreams; affirming I had never heard the appellation of “Catherine Linton” before, but reading it often over produced an impression which personified itself when I had no longer my imagination under control. Heathcliff gradually fell back into the shelter of the bed, as I spoke; finally sitting down almost concealed behind it. I guessed, however, by his irregular and intercepted breathing, that he struggled to vanquish an excess of violent emotion. 
And later when watching Heathcliff call for Cathy through the window:
There was such anguish in the gush of grief that accompanied this raving, that my compassion made me overlook its folly, and I drew off, half angry to have listened at all, and vexed at having related my ridiculous nightmare, since it produced that agony; though why was beyond my comprehension. 
At one point Lockwood also believes Heathcliff to be “dashing a tear from his eyes” during their conversation. Of course, he is confused because he doesn’t know that one of Heathcliff’s few fixations has been looking for signs of Catherine for the last 17ish years. 
I’ve mentioned this before, but something that doesn’t happen in the book because Heathcliff never narrates it, but I think if someone retold the story or made a film adaptation it could be interesting to explore, is how Heathcliff came to find Catherine’s writing on the wall. She must have written it shortly before she talks to Nelly since she’s already considering marrying Linton, and Heathcliff must still be living at the Heights since his name is there also. When Heathcliff returns three years later we know that he takes over Catherine’s old room so really he should have discovered it the first night there, probably after having visited the Grange. 
@astrangechoiceoffavourites has mentioned this in one their posts, but another great aspect of the book is the background happenings that are very realistic for the time and particularly farm life. Cats and dogs roam about, Heathcliff mentions that the house goes to bed at “nine in winter, and rise at four,” and there are mentions of chores, etc. The details create a realistic backdrop and ground the characters in reality. I feel like the novel is never overly sentimental because of this and it really strengthens it. 
After Heathcliff comes down to the kitchen where the household is starting their day, we are instantly reminded how terrible Heathcliff can be when he swears at and threatens to hit Cathy for not making herself useful and working for her keep. Ironically, he tells her, “You shall pay me for the plague of having you eternally in my sight,” when, as I’ve mentioned before he has her sit at the dining table with everyone else. He also could just send her away if he despises her so much. 
I see a lot of similarity between the glimpse we get of Catherine Earnshaw from her diary and the current situation Cathy Heathcliff is in. Their situations are certainly different but both are in a similar state of abuse and neglect and both are quite self-possessed and antagonistic towards those that try to control them. They also are associated with books (Catherine filling them up with writing and Cathy reading) and have an affinity for animals. In this chapter it is mentioned that while Cathy is reading she has “to push away a dog, now and then, that snoozled its nose overforwardly into her face.” There are other similar encounters, such as when the dogs at the Heights come to greet Catherine Earnshaw upon her return from the Lintons. 
I’m sure I’m forgetting points I want to make in these posts. I’ll probably to a larger summary after I complete the book and try to tie together some of the ideas I’ve mentioned. Its also difficult because I keep wanting to bring up things that happen later in the book and I want to make a note of it now - but I’m also trying to reread as impartially as possible. Which is really an impossible task lol. 
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Suicide au: even in the best case scenario I don't think Heathcliff would ever fully recover. What kept him going for most of his life was revenge and he doesn't have that anymore, so there's no real drive. if he has ANY it's Hareton but then that is not so much. On the upside he's not socially experimenting with children, and on the downside he's not doing anything.
I’m putting all the suicide au asks into one to answer so I don’t spam my followers and so there aren’t a bunch of triggery posts. Bold is me, normal is Kira Heathcliff being this mentally ill is likely to just shut down and not do anything
do you think a partial redemption is possible in the suicide au that needs a better name? I think so but then I always think that...
Not really, I think that in this AU the suggestion is that there is a lack of motivation and a self hatred but not necessarily a regret and in order to be redeemed I think you have to be willing to attempt to make amends. It’s what differs Heathcliff from say Darcy. Mr Darcy is a dick but he does everything in his power to right the wrongs he did.
Oh poor Hareton would be a wreck if he found him. If he's dead- well, yeah. Basically what you said already. What if he's not? Also what would Cathy or Joseph do?
Hareton would not cope. He’s only like 16 and he’s probably mentally a lot younger and this is a man he worships. Joseph would probably just spit hellfire. Cathy would be torn between her hatred for him and her sense of humanity.
There's a lot of "let him kill himself" from Cathy and she and Hareton have a proper screaming match over it. It would be one thing if it was at the house but it happens in the village and it starts in very coded language and ends with everyone in fifty feet of them knowing the details of what exactly happened. No one thought it was possible for them to be cast out more than they already were but surprise! The only way they could get even more isolated involves pitchforks and torches
Oh god yes. Neither Cathy nor Hareton can hold back much when it comes to Heathcliff. They are both very passionate in different directions.
Okay so, let's say Heathcliff fails. You think he shuts down after that? Like just gives up completely, on everything? I imagine Hareton would be really clingy after that, to Catherine's annoyance, but she might tolerate it for a time if Heathcliff is completely shut down bc bc he's not hurting anyone anymore, except maybe Hareton 
I definitely think Heathclif would shit down. Cathy would hate Hareton becoming clingy to him, she would definitely tr and tell him that he doesnt owe Heathcliff anything and that Heathcliff has in fact treated him like shit and now is a great time to get away
Okay so I think a lot about the asylum thing would depend on whether the reformation had reached them yet. There's no way Nelly and/or Hareton because I'm unsure of who would be in charge of this would put anyone in what was basically jail, but I think that between Heathcliff being obviously mentally unwell and him just not caring anymore, a lot of the power of the estate or whatever is shifting to Hareton.
The power would likely be with Hareton but he would give it to Nelly, he wouldn’t feel that he could deal with it.
Alright idea: Cathy wants to start a Heathcliff free family with Hareton. Hareton is not gonna leave Heathcliff's side until he's sure he won't kill himself. Cathy figures that, excluding murder, the only way to get her goal is get Heathcliff better. Cathy starts volunteering to sit with him instead of Nelly. She starts off basically ordering him to get better, then starts screaming at him, then finally sighs and says alright why did you try to kill yourself because talking's her only other idea
She asks him that but she has no patience either, she won’t hear his sob story, she won’t let him paint himself as a victim and she agrees with him when he puts himself down.
Getting Heathcliff to talk is hard though. She realizes quick she's gotta start slow with him, and she hates small talk, so she talks to him about Hareton and that gets some response. Not much but some. So they keep going and Cathy is approaching this very clinically until Hareton says something about how he's glad they're finally bonding and she flips. Hareton is a little disheartened but he's still daydreaming about a picture perfect family and he's gonna make sure he gets it
Cathy is not bonding, she still hates him with a vengeance she just loves Hareton more than she hates him and she sort of screams that when flipping
Hareton is at least temporarily in charge and he makes Joseph caretaker of the Grange because he and Cathy don't get along. That is the only thing he does. It makes him feel giddy with power. Cathy suggests he get REALLY crazy and move a chair from one corner to another but he says no let's not get ridiculous
Oh Hareton darling :L
Nelly wonders why she's not happier. Don't they get the happy ending she's been praying for? Isn't Heathcliff suffering for his crimes? Why is she so sad?
Nelly has a weird set of feelings towards Heathcliff but at the end of the day she can’t completely give up of him.
After a month, while Hareton's working, Cathy declares she and Heathcliff are going for a walk and drags him along. Catherine has been cooped up and so has he honestly and Cathy finally stops walking when they reach her favorite tree, and they sit down and she asks him again and not too gently why he tried killing himself. He doesn't answer. She pulls out a paper and says if he answers he can visit her children once. He says letters aren't legally binding. She says that's not stopped him before
Hearthcliff is surprised that he cares about visiting her children, he doesn’t really but he sort of does.
He looks at the paper for a long time and says he can't tell her something he doesn't know. She sighs dramatically and can't help thinking that a) he seemed to genuinely want that and b) he didn't just make up something. She decides she needs a different question and asks him if her mother was really an angel who did no wrong (a question she knows the answer to, deep down.) He smirks and says that he loved her, and she was vibrant, and she was a lot like her, but doesn't answer the question If Heathcliff were to talk shit about Cathy1, Cathy2 would probably flip because all she’s heard is a very rose-tinted story of Cathy1′s perfection from Edgar.
Hareton has a always been a little tough starved tbh. He was so happy when Cathy started casually touching him (not in a weird way in a chill way) and he's started to get a little bolder in general. He hugs Nelly now, which started awkwardly but she loves it, and he's sleeping in Heathcliff's bed, just to be sure nothing happens it's not because he can cuddle him not at all. Idk if Heathcliff is keeping his thoughts to himself or if he's so out of it he hardly notices
Heathcliff is barely aware of him being there (also this is like a reverse Patrick and Branwell situation)
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princesssarisa · 3 years
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I see a lot of people misconstrue why Cathy didn’t want to marry Heathcliff, they don’t believe it was just because of money but that it was because she was knew he wouldn’t make good husband material as a person (because of his temper and personality etc). Up until he over hears Cathy speak to Nelly I just don’t see where they get that impression he would treat her badly?
It is a strange tendency.
It seems as if these people have trouble separating this particular plot point from Heathcliff's character as a whole. That because Heathcliff is a dark, dangerous man, it has to be because he's dark and dangerous that Cathy chooses not to marry him, and because their love is so wild, fierce and obsessive, she must realize it's not healthy and choose Edgar as the "safe" option. Yet nothing in the actual book implies that she has any fear of Heathcliff whatsoever, or any misgivings about their love. It's evident that she would have married him if not for his lack of money and status.
Maybe it's partly what @astrangechoiceoffavourites has suggested: that readers want this novel to be deeper and richer than a conventional love story (which it is, of course, but maybe they want it to be even less conventional), so they don't want to think the lovers are separated by factors as mundane as money and social class. Or maybe it's just the opposite. Maybe they're thinking of countless other examples of "good boy vs. bad boy" love triangles from other books, movies, etc., and assuming that this one follows the standard trope of "girl is tantalized by the bad boy, but knows he's dangerous and chooses the safe, gentle good boy instead." Looking at Heathcliff and Edgar, you'd think they'd be prime candidates for that type of love triangle, but Catherine's reasons for marrying Edgar have nothing to do with "safety," other than safety from poverty.
The fact that she does love Edgar as well as Heathcliff probably complicates matters too. The idea of a love triangle that's neither "She loves only one man, but chooses the other for his wealth" nor "She loves them both equally and is hopelessly torn between them" seems to baffle some readers. A heroine who genuinely loves two men, and yet who knows from the start that just one of them is her true soul mate and would never have considered the other if not for money and status, isn't a common sight in fiction.
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