"will lokius go canon this season?" thats the not the question here. It's marvel. I know they won't. But i want to see just how close they will get to it. How much will they get away with? How much of the story they want to tell will make it through?

just want to point out that the name of one of the songs in the loki soundtrack is literally Lokius

Why do you hate the Loki series I’m genuinely interested

OH BOY HERE WE GO. I didn't watch season 2 so just note that.

I'll shorten it cause I'm on mobile and I really can't type as much as usual but if you look it up on my account there's some complaining somewhere

1. Horrible characterisation

As a long time Loki fan BC of his character, since I'm not one of them horny bastards (respect y'all but not me), it was literally a disgrace. The producer didn't know much about him and it showed. The writing team made it clear they had your average annoying base level interpretation that he's full of himself, self obsessed, etc. And again it showed. Obviously if you watch thor 1 it's obvious that isn't true, the self importance is an act to cover up a lottttt of insecurity. They also made them kinda wimpy at times too? And I can't understand why. Trust me if you followed those morons on twitter around 2021 it was rage inducing .

2. Sylvie.

As a comics fan, Sylvie is literally an abomination . She's a terrible mashup of Sylvie lushton, Amora, and fem presenting Loki. I'll come back to that last one. Her romantic role in the story could have been covered by Amora, and have another version as a variant, much like agent of Asgard, a comic which delved into some similar topics muchhhh better. Plus, Sylvie lushton is like. Resented. Why would you add her into the mix.

3. Genderfluid rep

Ok this one hit harder cause I identified as that back then. So anyway, comics Loki is genderfluid. Explicitly. Again, agent of Asgard handles this well. Prior to the show, the producers did say there would be representation of this. The representation in question turned out to be splitting boy Loki and girl Loki into two people and making them kiss. Which was weird and obviously not representation, especially when all the variants were like shock !! Horror!!! Surprise!!! Upon finding out there's a girl version. Also a couple of my mutuals had this happen to them personally and observed it on tiktok, genderfluid ppl getting weird ass comments under their videos about selfcest like bruh 😭😭

A few more minor gripes with plot holes and the crappy bi rep but overall those were my main issues with it. Wow I wrote more than I thought i would.

Basically the only thing I liked was Owen Wilson and the soundtrack. Natalie Holt is the fucking best she named the song when Sylvie and Loki kissed 'stop' and she named one of the songs lokius which is Loki and Mobius ship name 😭😭 literal icon

Your post about queer relationships only existing safely for a lot of things inside fandom is so true tho. I remember when Loki was still airing and me and friends were sitting around wistfully going 'ohhh wouldn't it be nice of Lokius was canon.' making our silly little posts, only to be ransacked by Sy/ki shippers about how they'd win the ship war.

I had to look at that like :| of course you are you dumb fucks, Loki and Sylvie's actors are a man and a woman them 'winning the ship war' was a forgone conclusion. It can't even be called a canon ship 'war' more like a canon ship 'steamroll.'

It was the fact to me they couldn't stand even some people having a smidgen of hope for something that everyone knew was never going to happen.

loool I wasn't gonna name names buuuuut...yeah a little subblogging about that attitude within said fandom, though it's something I've seen to a certain degree in fandom spaces since I started interacting with them (around 98 or 99?). the compulsion to ridicule/invalidate queer pairings and the people that support them used to mostly be rooted in garden variety open, normalized homophobia (they were called 'slash' ships back then and were generally regarded as niche/'crack' pairings/sexually deviant etc even if neither character was ever sexualized in a fanfic/fanart whathaveyou).

In most mainstream fandoms of the time there really was a zero chance queer pairings would 'go canon' , aka 'win' at the 'shipping wars', something that is both normal to want and possible to achieve (/s) and no one on either side regarded any of these pairings with the pretense that they might actually be worthy competitors against a het ship- in the sense of 'winning' here being 'approved by capitalist overlords' and not necessarily in quality of writing or time spent developing it or depth or anything like that. Just if they kissed on screen or not, that was the bar lmao, and we all just assumed from the outset it would absolutely not ever happen that way and just kept to ourselves. But as our ships were still kind of considered 'weird' / 'kinky' / 'immoral' and so on people often felt comfortable trying to tear our interpretations, fanfics, etc into shreds (the only substance we actually had) either because it gave them a sense of superiority for a moment, just general homophobia, or because the ship in question had started gaining a lot of momentum and they were threatened by the implications of that. As if...there's some kinda rule that if one ship gets popular enough everyone has to adapt it and abandon all others, no questions asked lol.

Nowadays ofc being openly homophobic isn't as normalized as it was back then so you don't usually see the kind of uh...'saying the quiet part out loud' kinda stuff you'd see on yahoo groups and livejournal or whatever, but you definitely still see people feeling the need to explain why queer fans shouldn't try to adapt a source material around their own life experiences. And usually, these days, when there is much more of a chance of 'slash' being depicted openly, there's more skin in the game for them to feel intimidated and take petty action.

In the particular context we're talking about...and I'm not saying this is every person that ships it, just the ones exhibiting the behavior I'm talking about here, I think they are/were genuinely intimidated whether they were conscious of it or not bc Lokius is definitely depicted some type of way - they have a song named after them from the soundtrack, a reunion scene ripped straight from a romantic comedy, etc, and I mean...ultimately....Loki kinda chooses Mobius in the end. In a way lol. So did they really win, if indeed shipping needs to be seen as some kind of stupid competition?

And to be clear I'm not talking about having an opinion/criticisms of a ship and voicing them in places where people just trying to enjoy themselves are generally protected from see it, I'm talking about the clownery that is showing up in a ship's tag (either accidentally or otherwise) and doing the whole 'nyah nyah boo boo' stuff or in the attempt to be innocent 'am i the only one who doesn't ship this? DONT GET MAD AT MEEE' or the more direct 'if you ship this you are literally satan'

Because...why do that if your pairing choice is SO amazing and 100% the winner of the 'ship war' (that yall sometimes claim doesn't exist in the first place bc there is NOTHING romantic!! between loki and mobius!! FATHER SON RELATIONSHIP B/W TWO MIDDLE AGED MEN WE LOVE TO SEE IT)? why not just enjoy your amazing pairing and the fact that it's actually being represented on screen? why also tear down the people that lost and are just trying to cobble together a crumb of something for themselves? like imagine being that miserable of a person??