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well-in-all-honesty-i · 3 years

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Okay so: Am I the only one who’s sort of nervous about where Uenoyama and Mafuyu’s relationship is headed?

Like...I think their relationship has so much potential-but the timing feels...off. Not in the sense that the author rushed it, but for the characters themselves.

It feels like Mafuyu isn’t really over Yuki, and still sees him in Ueno-like in Fuyu No Hanashi (both the anime and manga-in the anime it’s more obvious when Ueno turns and he transforms into Yuki, and in the manga where the back of Ueno turns into Yuki), and in the scene where Mafuyu is sleeping over and he comments about how the clock is the same as Yuki’s.

Uenoyama is holding him together, in a way. Every time Mafuyu falls apart all over again about Yuki’s death, Ueno is there to patch him up or stand by his side. And that feels ... unhealthy to me.

(Ex; Him fixing Mafuyu’s ‘heart’strings, both of which happened when Mafuyu took a step forward towards moving on-or at least coming to terms with what Yuki left him behind with. Fuyunohanashi-the kiss scene, when Ueno strokes his hair, and tells him how good he did. Even just the smile after the performance was over. And during the clock scene, when he holds Mafuyu and tells him not to look so heartbroken, as if he is all alone.)

Plus, I think Ueno has, on some level, caught onto that. Not only is he constantly presented with the idea that there are so many people who know Mafuyu (an objectively hard person to understand, at first) better than he does-but that there is someone out there he is actively competing with that he might not ever be able to match. (By actively presented with-I mean him joining Hiiragi and Shizu’s band as support, and having to finish the love song Yuki began for Mafuyu and coming to terms with Yuki’s overwhelming talent.)

It’s also sort of hinted at when Yayoi talks about her brother, and how she hates that he is so painfully in love with Mafuyu (forgive me for any inaccuracies of the details-I havent read the manga in a few months :P) and, when she talks to him about how Mafuyu will probably break his heart, he simply goes ‘I guess so.’ It’s almost as though he has resigned himself to his position-or maybe feels that helplessness.

They are so wonderful at pushing each other’s music forward, and I don’t doubt that they have romantic feelings for each other. But, I worry about how their mindsets going into this-Mafuyu with his fresh wounds and Ueno in his resignation-is going to affect their relationship going forward.

I will definitely reread the manga and come back to this, though-since I have the feeling but I’m lacking specific details and examples to give to explain this better and to back up all I’ve said.

#mafuyama #sato mafuyu #uenoyama ritsuka #given #given manga #spoilers?? not anything specific but possibly #ramblings #idkkk what do y’all think #yuki yoshida #WIAHI

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well-in-all-honesty-i · 3 years

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TW: Suicide

OKAY SO- I wanted to talk about Mafuyu and Yuki’s relationship and why it ended the way it did. I should preface this by saying that the majority of this, although somewhat supported by canon, is my own personal headcanon and speculation. I’ve been surrounded by a lot of people who I believe Yuki to be similar to, but I am not 100% accurate or well versed and this is mostly just from what I’ve gotten from those situations. Also, a lot of questionable grammar-I type like I speak, which doesn't translate well haha.

So I want to chunk this into 3 big pieces because I enjoy organizing things: Yuki’s childhood, how that affected his personality as a young adult, and how both of these lead to his eventual death.

Starting off with his childhood:

This one is heavy speculation (as most of this is-but this bit is particularly so) since there isn’t much canon to support this-or provide a lot of insight. But, what little we do know is that 1) Yuki’s father wasn’t present in his life-probably even before Mafuyu’s father had been jailed-and that, 2) Yuki and his father shared the same bull-headedness (?) and pride that Saeko believes led to his death.

I personally believe that Yuki’s father was someone who might have struggled with some sort of mental illness, as well as has had a problem with alcohol abuse. I also imagine that he probably disappeared or passed-either due to some sort of alcohol-related problem or suicide.

Saeko, from how she is characterized in the story, seems to be a very strong-willed and assertive person. In the aftermath of Yuki’s death, she's relatively composed and seems to have almost expected this to happen, although maybe not in the specific way it did. [Ex: When she tells Mafuyu that Yuki was always the type of person to die in a chicken race (a competition of pride, of sorts, that usually ends badly) and when she mentions him being similar to his father in that sense.]

In the flashbacks in the anime, when Mafuyu tells Yuki that his father beats him when he talks, Yuki’s response of ‘You know, a real father doesn’t do that.’ doesn’t sound like something a small child’s first response would be. It’s a bit of a reach-but considering that, as well as how prompt the response from his mother seemed to be (when Mafuyu’s father was jailed-not much time seems to have passed, and since both of their mothers are present, I've always assumed that Yuki's mother found out through her son and acted accordingly.),- it would make sense that Yuki might have some prior experience with this. Especially if his mother had gone through something similar-she probably would’ve warned him very strongly against the ideal his father had set, making Yuki want to be very far from that.

Speaking of which-I assume that Yuki probably had a very rough-if short-lived-relationship with his father when he was around. Given the stuff above, his father was probably someone who was emotionally volatile and tended to lose control when upset. If he had an alcohol problem, he might’ve caused a financial strain that fell onto Saeko as well.

Since his father was out of the picture and Saeko herself wasn't around as much as Yuki might've needed, it would have made him both very independent from his parents and adults in general, while also heavily reliant on Mafuyu (Hiiragi quotes both Mafuyu and Yuki to have been latchkey kids who found comfort in each other), both of which twist into the situation he found himself in later in life.

Leading into his teen years:

Yuki, as a young adult, is very independent-he works multiple jobs to pay for the expenses of being in a band, makes a point to avoid drinking, and is very affectionate towards Mafuyu. I'm not too sure about the reasoning behind why the four friends chose the high schools they did, but if Yuki's mother didn't directly influence that decision it's likely it was a choice made in direct relation to their band.

There's also very little interference from any adults in Yuki's life-namely, his mother. As someone who was probably very busy working as a single mother to support the two of them, her mentality was just to support him monetarily and let Mafuyu provide the emotional support in her place.

I think she also assumed her attempts wouldn't have been well received-most people noted how close Yuki and Mafuyu were and seemed to always assume that they had each other handled and that nobody had to worry about either of them because of it. In every way, it was simply easier to show Yuki she cared by not interfering and letting him hold the reigns of his own life.

A big indicator of this idea for me what when Saeko talked about how Yuki ordered his own ramen, the type he liked. It's a small thing, but it started me to read because it highlighted the amount of input his mother had on his life; which was very little. I don't know if he even used her money or chose to use the extra from his jobs to pay for it, but either way, it sort of put their relationship into perspective.

The impact it had:

Yuki probably had a lot of resentment towards his father, or, at the very least, a desire to turn out different. And oftentimes when a person is very strongly trying to avoid turning out like someone, they ignore or avoid acknowledging the similarities, rather than accepting and working on them to properly change. Without a strong parental/adult figure in his life, he wouldn't have considered insight beyond his own experiences. He's characterized to be moody and domineering, and Mafuyu is too soft-spoken to have brought up most issues until it reached its boiling point.

I believe Yuki might have had Borderline Personality Disorder to a mild extent. Some symptoms of BPD are mood swings, impulsivity, impaired social relationships, and a distorted self-image. They usually have thoughts of suicide or self-harming tendencies. When they feel insecure in relationships, in which they’re usually very, very invested, they tend to lash out or do rash things to keep them close.

Based on my relationships with the borderline people in my life, I've noticed that they usually bounce between having great confidence in themselves, to being incredibly insecure. It's hard to explain specifically, but they walk a fine line of being insecure and also maintaining a painfully strong ego, which makes them react very strongly when provoked, intentionally or not. Yuki and Mafuyu have a different type of relationship than I do with those people in my life which, for the two of them, means that Mafuyu probably had to provide lots of emotional support for Yuki, while also under the mild threat of Yuki coming to harm by his own actions.

Being with someone with these tendencies who is also unaware of them is very draining, especially for someone as mild and soft-spoken as Mafuyu is. Yuki tended to lead their relationship and was probably very noticeable when upset-and for someone who might not be used to speaking up or someone who has low self-confidence, it is difficult to bring up things. It doesn't feel safe if you don't know exactly how it would be received. Especially if they are the person you are closest to, it can be anxiety-inducing to try and bring up problems that don't seem to be incredibly important or unavoidable.

So, long story short-Yuki was closed off to receiving any kind of proper advice or criticism that would've saved him. Another symptom of BPD, as mentioned before, is suicidal ideation. So, if all these things are combined, it's a lot easier to see how he, surrounded by only his thoughts and ideas, would make the choice to take his own life when provoked.

It wasn't specifically that Mafuyu had caused his death, but more that he just sent him over the edge he had been teetering on for a long while. He was like his father in the sense that they had the same flaws that just came from different places. Yuki's pride came from the flip side of his insecurities and his own early independence, and his mental health issues as a whole are probably hereditary. The specificities of his death, where Yuki drinks after avoiding alcohol for his entire life, feels like he failed in his effort to avoid being like his father. He was different as a person but in the end, their flaws aligned and brought them to their end in parallels to each other.

Calling back to what his mom said-it doesn't feel unexpected. It is shocking, but not a surprise. Yuki was fiercely independent and wanted to learn and do new things, all on his own-including his own death and whatever follows after.

[I wrote this a while back and didn’t really like how most of it was speculation and hard to prove-but decided to post it anyway because I spent too much time on it lol.

Like I said before, most of this is just my head canons, but I hope it made sense! Feel free to add on with your stuff/arguments/headcanons :)]

#given #yuki yoshida #sato mafuyu #character ramblings #tw sui mention #mafuyuki #given manga #given anime #idkkk what do y’all think #i’m bad at Tags #also this is. severely unedited.#as in i wrote this a while back #found it and just went #huh this is a lot of words. let me skim it. sounds about right. time to post!#WIAHI

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well-in-all-honesty-i · 3 years

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How I think some of the Given boys would pack for a camping trip:

Mafuyu: Probably underpacks. He just assumes he’ll be able to find everything eventually, or mooch of Yuki’s/Ueno’s stuff. Is also probably weirdly good at picking out edible fruits/nuts.

Ueno: Packs…well, I guess. He’s got everything he needs, maybe one less pair of underwear than he needs. He’d probably forget his toothbrush, though.

Akihiko: He probably forgot about the trip and sped packed, so technically, he has all the elements of everything he should’ve brought, but it doesn’t match the environment at all. It’s either all tank tops or sweaters he hasn’t seen in years.

Haruki: Packs great, if a little overboard. He probably ‘cheats’ in some way or the other, as well. Like, he packs matches and fire starter sticks, or three coolers worth of food for a week long trip.

Yuki: The only one who packs perfectly. He brings the essentials, and just enough ‘extras’. He probably knows how to light a campfire without matches or gas, too.

Hiiragi: Packs all the essentials but overpacks in certain luxury items. Like, does he really need 8 sweaters? Even if it’ll get to 50° F at night, it’s a bit overkill. And if you’re going to bring that many sweaters, then ditch the portable fan for ‘if it gets too hot’. Pick a weather extreme to overpack for. There isn’t enough space in the car for both.

Shizu: Brings the barest of essentials, and, like, a pocket knife and a book. It’s probably something ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ or ‘War and Peace.’ He could probably survive the longest in the woods out of all of them.

#given #sato mafuyu #uenoyama ritsuka #akihiko kaji #haruki nakayama #yuki yoshida #hiiragi given #shizusumi yagi #given manga #camping trip shenanigans i guess #WIAHI

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