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#The queen Astrid or Lydea

masked-alien-lesbian · 9 months

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Who is the killer?

So the killer is probably Lydea, the twins or Astrid.

If Lydea is involved, she is the one behind the scenes, the "your majesty" on the other end because she didn't kill Nadja and Olivia and I believe that both Juliana and Nadja's deaths are connected.

Same for Astrid. I don't see her getting her hands dirty.

I had considered maybe the twins killed, either for Lydea or Astrid but why? And the murders seems personal, especially Nadja's. And as far as we know it, the twins weren't close to Nadja or Juliana.

And I can't help but keep coming back to Vasili for some reason. Logically any of the bastard children, Vasili, Bas and Marguerite or even their mother would benefit from the Act going through, so killing them seems detrimental. If Bas or Vasili has a hand in any of this, it's not tied to the Act. It was either a rejected lover and/or revenge plot but I have a hard time believing that because of Nadja's death.

So in conclusion: I have no fucking idea lol

#I don't believe that its Marguerite or Patryck tho #Marguerite was only 13 when Juliana was killed #Plus it wouldn't make any sense for her to murder the women #And Patryck is too stupid for it #Astrid could be faking her ditzy act #But Patryck really is dumb #So the puppet master is either:#The queen Astrid or Lydea #And the killer is either:#The twins Collette or the mafia #Cop2 #crimes of passion 2 #choices #pixelberry #playchoices

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choices-ceri · 7 months

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RANKING TRYSTAN'S SIBLINGS FROM BEST TO WORST

(cause I'm bored and I can)

1. Marguerite

obviously. Goes without saying

2. Lydea

Queen. Icon. Slay. Sorry I didn't like you to begin with. Thanks for not back stabbing us. God save the queen and that

3. Astrid

Now..... Anyone who kills their girlfriends homophobic ex needs to be top 3. She would have been 2nd but she called my pores greasy. I ain't having that.

4. Sebastyan

He was rude, mean and kinda creepy at the start. But they did my guy so dirty with the story. Bro did NOT deserve being isolated, back stabbed and murdered all in one day. I feel dreadful. Sorry Bas, I hope the next life's better to you.

5. Emika

Non binary solidarity.

6. Kaspar

Creep, but also an icon in a way.

7. Vasili

No cereal for HIM ever again

8. Patryck

You know you have to be a right d##khead to be ranked beneath the serial killer of the family.

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choices-binglebonkus · 8 months

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My Current CoP2 Murderer Theory

WARNING: The following theory contains spoilers for the chapter 14 summary as well as content that may be disturbing. This theory includes mentions of emotional manipulation, murder, fratricide, and incest. Go no further if you don’t wish to be exposed to either spoilers or disturbing content.

So. This theory is a little out there, but like I said in my last post, I think it’s crazy enough to actually have some merit. I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m at least partially correct here.

Let’s not get too wild all at once, though. I’m going to start out with the easy stuff.

The chapter 14 summary makes the claim that one of Queen Viktoria’s daughters is an illegitimate child not fathered by King Maksim. Kaspar, Emika, and Patryk are not female, and Trystan is gender determinant. This leaves only Lydea and Astrid as the two contenders for Viktoria’s lovechild. And, as the summary states, *ONE* of her daughters is illegitimate, so it isn’t both.

Let’s take a look at Astrid first. She’s spoiled, petulant, bratty as hell, and seems to have no positive relationships with ANY of the other Thornes, while everyone else seems to have at least one sibling or parent they’re close with (except Patryk. Sorry man.) And if the order of heirs includes the illegitimate Thornes, she’s fourth in line for the throne only behind Lydea, Vasili, and Trystan. However, even though she’s one of the older Thornes, her parents don’t seem to favor her very much. Her mother in particular has Lydea sabotage Astrid’s relationship because her boyfriend was “socially unbearable” with “risky” political leanings.

Needless to say, Astrid isn’t anybody’s favorite in the family.

Lydea, however, seems to be Queen Viktoria’s favorite. Sergeant of the Royal Guard eventually promoted to Captain of the Royal Guard, and before Trystan was reinstated as heir, she was the heir to the throne of Drakovia. She is described as a key player in international politics, and has extensive experience in combat and covertness to match. She’s the one Queen Viktoria sends to America to personally arrest Trystan and bring them back to Drakovia. In other words, she’s the Queen’s favorite, yes, but also her right hand.

Why would Queen Viktoria favor Lydea out of all her other children unless she were the secret lovechild?

That is the first part of my theory: that Lydea Thorne, Captain of the Royal Guard, former heir to the throne, is Queen Viktoria’s illegitimate child.

Now, the next part of my theory covers the events of chapter 12 in which Sebastyan Thorne, previously our prime suspect in the investigation, is found murdered. Murdered by having his throat slit, which is exactly how Nadja Zoric died. Now, I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but would it be a huge leap to assume that Bas was also garroted to death?

A little about the garrote. The garrote is a handheld weapon used to strangle a person, primarily for silent or stealthy kills. It can be made of chain, rope, hell, even scarves, anything that allows for strangulation, or at the very least, the crushing of the larynx to hinder the victim’s communication capabilities.

Let’s also take notice of the way Sebastyan is poised: he’s sitting in a private box, propped up against a chair and slumped over. Given the choice of wording when we first discover the blood coming from the box, “Blood leaks over the edge in a slow, thick dribble”, it’s reasonable to assume that Sebastyan was not murdered while he was sitting: the majority of the blood would have been on or around his chair instead. Rather, Sebastyan seems to have been positioned there, and that is WILD considering there was about a ~2 minute timeframe between Colette losing track of him and us finding his freshly murdered, still bleeding corpse.

But what was he doing in the private box in the first place? The fashion show was over at that point. What reason did he have to be up there?

We see Sebastyan constantly looking at his phone throughout the chapter, noticeably tense. He’s outraged, obviously, that the main character and Trystan have stolen his ledger, but notice how his aggravation flares up when you call him out about being on his phone.

Almost like he was hiding something. Hiding something like him being watched.

But who was watching him?

When he answers a call just before the runway, he seethes into the phone that the person shouldn’t be calling him and that their negotiation was final. He then asks if they’re sure they want to pursue “this”, and that it didn’t end well for the last person who tried.

Later on in the evening, he says he knows why the main character and Trystan were in his office, and that he was aware they had his ledger, then requests that the main character talk to him in private. If the main character tries to take him up on his offer, he grows visibly nervous and says, “Not now. There are too many eyes.”

He was most certainly being watched, and eventually, lured to his death.

But this all begs the question…what was Sebastyan’s final negotiation? What happened to the last person who tried to pursue it? And who were they?

Well, dear readers, I believe Sebastyan was alluding to one Nadja Zoric.

“But Binglebonkus,” I hear you ask, “Sebastyan and Nadja were in alignment with the Heir Act. If that’s what Sebastyan was referring to on the phone, why would he suddenly be so discouraging of it to his caller?”

In chapter 11, we see Vasili—previously unmentioned until this very moment, I hasten to add—leaning in while Sebastyan was arguing for the Heir Act in front of the Drakovian Legislation and whispering something that only his brother could hear. Almost like he was coaching him, instructing him, something of that nature.

It’s also mentioned that Sebastyan and Vasili were very close growing up, as Vasili looked out for him. By extension, Lydea and Sebastyan also got along because of the closeness she and Vasili shared. In addition, Lydea took Sebastyan under her wing and protected him from torment at the hands of Astrid, the twins, and Patryk.

Something else to note is that, despite Vasili’s desire to remain uninvolved with the Heir Act, he does support it, and as previously mentioned, he instructs Sebastyan as he argued in favor of it before the Legislation.

Lydea, however, hasn’t made her stance clear on the Heir Act. And this, right here, is very telling on its own. If we’re going based on my theory that Lydea is Queen Viktoria’s illegitimate child, it’s entirely possible that Lydea is aware of her illegitimacy, and that by not expressing her views on the Heir Act one way or another, she’s keeping any suspicion at bay.

But given her closeness with Vasili, and by extension, Sebastyan, as well as her ostensible illegitimacy, it’s likely she feels some sort of way about the Heir Act. And by “some sort of way”, I mean that, however covertly she can, she supports it.

So here we have Sebastyan growing up, tormented by the legitimate heirs. He’s got his mother who favors him, and he eventually has a little sister when Marguerite is born years later. His dad always turned a blind eye to the treatment of his illegitimate children and truly only paid Trystan any mind.

How much of a blessing is it, then, when he has Vasili, his protective big brother, and Lydea, the only one of the king’s legitimate children to actively defend and help him? How relieved must he have felt? How reverent of them was he due to their actions which, in his position, may as well have been deserving of sainthood?

More importantly…what would Sebastyan do to thank them? To prove himself worthy of all their kindness?

It might have started with a seemingly innocent statement on Vasili’s part. Perhaps he expressed how he wished he could have had the chance to be king conveniently where Sebastyan could hear, only to not bring it up again for some time. Just enough time, anyway, to have planted the seed in Sebastyan’s mind, to let it grow. Maybe he dropped a few more subtle hints, but then the subtle hints became less subtle the longer they went on. Maybe Vasili eventually outright told Sebastyan that he would have been a great king. And Sebastyan, already so fiercely loyal to Vasili, would have agreed. He was a great big brother, so why not a great king?

Here's where the theory gets fucked up. And I do mean REALLY fucked up. Disclaimer: at this point, this theory is almost entirely conjecture and speculation, but bear with me.

Vasili was the oldest of the king’s illegitimate children. While he was Sebastyan’s big brother and protector, he didn’t have anyone to fill that role for himself. While it may have been bearable at first, when more legitimate Thorne heirs were born, he felt isolated. Alone. Positively desolate. No one else understood. No one else felt what he felt.

Then, perhaps, Lydea, when she was old enough, learned the truth about her birthright. Perhaps, in a moment of her own vulnerability, she sought Vasili’s insights. He was older than her, and he was the only other person who could have possibility understood what she was feeling.

Vasili, of course, was in awe. He was equally incredulous that he, too, now had someone else understand his plight. This, if you’ll allow me to continue speculating, may have been the start of their tight-knit dynamic.

But now, the two of them shared knowledge that sat heavy in their minds, especially as they grew up together. They were raised as half-siblings, yes, but Lydea’s revelation changed everything. They didn’t share a mother. They didn’t share a father. They didn’t share a drop of blood in their veins.

Yes. I’m going there. Lydea and Vasili Thorne fell in love with each other unbeknownst to their parents, their siblings, anyone, and started a romantic relationship as they continued to be raised together as siblings.

I warned you it was fucked up.

They shared love for one another, and they shared a common goal: legitimize royal children born outside of wedlock. Most importantly: they shared a strong relationship with Sebastyan, Vasili’s full-brother and Lydea’s alleged half-brother. Of course, neither one of them informed Sebastyan of Lydea’s birthright: they both knew they needed to keep things under wraps lest someone get ahold of Lydea’s secret and scandalize them both.

Years went by. Vasili and Lydea groomed Sebastyan to be a shrewd politician with a campaign to someday change the rules of legitimacy. Politics became Sebastyan’s entire life. He graduated summa cum laude from the University of Drakovia with a BA in Politics and Foreign Relations.

Sometime along the way, however, he met Juliana Georgescu and Nadja Zoric, who were both ideologically motivated to push for a change in legitimization. Between the three of them (with some instruction and supervision from Vasili and Lydea), they started the campaign for the Drakovian Act for Heir Equity.

Eventually, Sebastyan fell in love with Juliana. But despite all the heavy implications throughout the story about their relationship, they were just that: heavy implications. A romantic involvement between the two of them was entirely unconfirmed.

But do you want to hear something interesting? In chapter 12 if you present Juliana’s inscribed locket to Lydea, it surprises her. “Lydea raises her eyebrow the smallest amount, but it’s enough to tell you she recognizes it.” She thumbed open the locket and read the romantic inscription under her breath, visibly unsettled as she utters the words, “To my love…”

But just as quickly as her emotions appeared, they were gone. As if she were trying to course-correct herself.

While I do believe that Lydea and Vasili shared a covert romantic relationship, (yes, I know, it’s disgusting no matter how many times I say it) it’s entirely possible that, to subvert any suspicion, Lydea pursued Juliana. Entirely as a ruse, of course, but she could have chosen worse. After all, Juliana’s end goals did align with hers and Vasili’s.

But then her feelings changed. Lydea found herself actively seeking Juliana’s company. She found herself enjoying the time they spent together. She found herself truly admiring Juliana. She was conflicted, of course. She had Vasili, after all. But she couldn’t deny that she was starting to feel something genuine for the countess.

Their relationship continued long enough for Lydea to gift Juliana a locket, the inscribed locket we find hidden away in Sebastyan’s desk in chapter 11, and the Nightingale whistle we find in Juliana’s room in chapter 9, with a note that read “Should you ever have need of me, you know how to find me”.

Unfortunately, Lydea wasn’t the only Thorne who fell for Juliana. Sebastyan, in his time working with her, developed his own feelings. Perhaps the infighting the two developed that ultimately stifled progress on the Act stemmed from his feelings of betrayal that Juli would choose his half-sister over him.

That’s how Juliana “broke [his] heart”. And only when Lydea realized the distress it was causing Sebastyan (and by extension, the Act) did she think to truly end things with Juli, who was on track to be promised to Trystan, anyway. Despite still having her relationship with Vasili, those feelings for Juliana never truly faded.

But somewhere along the way, Lydea slipped up. She got a little too curious and a little too invested in learning about Juliana’s progress with the Act. Juliana was obviously a smart woman, so this aroused a little suspicion in her, leading her to speculate and write in her journal her suspicions that one of the Queen’s children was illegitimate, and though she suspected Lydea, she graciously left her name out of her diary, perhaps out of some small, unnoticed sign of respect.

But Vasili noticed something was amiss. He noticed the sudden quarrels between his brother and Juliana, the lack of progress being made on the Act, and Lydea’s sudden eagerness to sever her relationship with Juliana.

He realized Juliana must have uncovered something. Something was percolating in her mind, and with the lack of progress being made on the Act, something had to give.

Vasili pursued her for months, a shadow lurking around her every corner. But what could she do? She was only a countess. He was a prince of Drakovia. She only grew more and more paranoid, which trickled down into even more tension between her and Sebastyan. Things came to a head the night of Marguerite’s fashion show. Everyone of importance was in attendance, but Trystan approached Vasili asking him to cover for them, as they wanted to get away from it all with Juliana.

Dutiful brother that he was, Vasili covered for Trystan and Juliana. He gave them a head start, allowing them enough time to get their yacht out onto the water, to get into bed together. Trystan had been drinking quite a bit that night. Vasili knew they would be out like a light in no time.

And this, of course, was the perfect opportunity to get her alone once and for all.

Vasili crept aboard that night, luring Juliana to the main deck with a similar bird whistle to the one Lydea gifted her. She begged him to leave her alone, to which he replied…

“But I finally found a way we can get everything we’ve always wanted.”

And what’s the first thing Vasili did in his attack?

“The figure steps forward, a gloved hand reaching for [Juliana’s] throat!”

Did you catch that?

Juliana’s throat.

Nadja’s throat was slit using a garrote. Sebastyan’s throat was slit with what we assume was a garrote. And Juliana, though her cause of death was ruled to be a head injury, was grabbed by the throat.

Vasili killed Juliana. He needed to cover up his and Lydea’s tracks. He hadn’t meant for the countess’s death to shelve the Heir Act, but if he waited and played the long game? He could turn things around.

He could use Juliana’s death to garner more support for the Heir Act.

Trystan was quickly blamed for the countess’s death and exiled. Lydea, the second in line for the throne, assumed the role of heir. From this new position of power, she and Vasili would be able to have eyes and ears practically everywhere in Drakovia. Not to mention the influence it brought.

But then, of course, Trystan stirred up trouble among the rabble in America. They’d gotten tangled up in the investigation of a serial killer, and Queen Viktoria was not happy, claiming it “disgraced” Drakovia. She sent her lovechild and right-hand, Lydea, to personally arrest Trystan and bring them back to Drakovia for a trial.

A trial that Vasili facilitated by pulling some strings and planting evidence to convince Nadja Zoric of Trystan’s guilt.

Of course, Trystan was found not guilty, and Juliana’s death was ruled an accident. But Nadja expressed interest in resurrecting the campaign they had shelved all those years ago.

Vasili could use this. He urged Sebastyan to call Nadja to the palace courtyard to discuss the Act, conveniently leaving out his true motives: to lure her into Trystan’s chambers and murder her.

Two out of three of the proponents for the Heir Act unexpectedly dead had to garner some kind of sympathy for the Act. Didn’t it?

It did not. But Sebastyan, after Nadja’s death, only became more driven, more restless. He continued to push, continued to fight, continued to demand the passing of the Act. Two of his fellow committee members had died. He had to finish their work. And he had Vasili and Lydea to help him.

His mother always worried that his support for the Act would make him a target. Before, he couldn’t have cared less. He wanted this for Vasili. Vasili would be a remarkable king, an even better ruler than Trystan, who he still saw as responsible for Juliana’s demise.

But then, ambivalence set in. Just a dash of uncertainty here and there, but even as spirited as his arguments before the Drakovian Legislation were, Lydea and Vasili could tell he was faltering.

Something had to be done.

A few days later, Sebastyan found Juliana’s locket—the one she used to wear—planted on his desk in plain sight at his office. That’s when he realized someone was trying to frame him.

He was shocked. Horrified. Furious. How dare someone leave this here? How dare someone try to use this against him? He took the locket and hid it behind a secret panel in the back of the desk, not having the heart to get rid of it. Not yet, anyway.

Something tugged at his memory. He recalled Lydea—one of his most trusted confidants—and her relationship with Juli; a relationship that, out of seemingly nowhere, ended.

Lydea had given it to her. Lydea had given it to her, and somehow, it had found its way into his desk eight years after her death.

She had the means of planting it. She was the Captain of the Royal Guard, for god’s sake. But even if it weren’t her, someone had still planted this locket—this small remnant of Juli—on his desk in a public building.

But now? Juli was dead. Nadja was dead. And Trystan and their detective seemed to be especially leery of him.

Either he was their prime suspect, or he was about to join Juliana and Nadja.

He told Vasili he was going to shelve the Act again, that it wasn’t going anywhere anytime soon, that he wanted some time and space. The world, it seemed, was closing in on Sebastyan, but he knew his big brother would understand.

But he did not.

Vasili was furious. He demanded Sebastyan reconsider his position, a plea delivered too late. Sebastyan’s mind was made up. It was better to be safe than sorry, after all.

If Sebastyan wasn’t going to be of any use to him alive, then maybe he’d be more useful dead.

The night of Marguerite’s second Drakovian fashion show rolled around. Sebastyan was walking that night at the behest of their little sister. But for days, he had been receiving texts that ranged from slightly unsettling to outright menacing. Tonight, they were at their most frequent, and their most threatening, but he did his best to ignore them.

Right before walking, he received a text that he was being watched, complete with a photo of him exactly where he was.

A second later, Vasili called him, and he realized exactly what was happening. His older brother—his guardian and faithful friend and protector—was coercing him into pushing for the Act. Vasili never had a history of blackmail or extortion that he knew of, but he was seeing a whole new side to him tonight.

Sebastyan realized Trystan and the detective had been looking at him practically all evening. Seeing little other option, he demanded to speak to the detective alone, but ultimately lacked the courage to do so since he knew eyes and ears were everywhere. If the world felt like it was closing in before, it felt like it was CRUSHING him now.

Eventually, as the night started to wind down, Vasili approached him in person, but there was no cold fury on his face. No, instead, there was regret; a deep sorrow behind his eyes. On his face was kindness, was genuine love and concern.

Vasili hesitantly asked Sebastyan for a moment to talk, brother-to-brother. He seemed so nervous and unsure of himself. It was clear he had something on his mind, but lacked the courage to say it outright.

Seeing the warring emotions on Vasili’s face, Sebastyan’s misgivings about him subsided. How could he think Vasili, his protector and confidant, would harm him in any way?

So the two of them went together to a private box overlooking an empty theater.

And only one came out.

Sebastyan’s death would carry more weight than it did Juliana and Nadja’s. He was a Drakovian prince, after all. Perhaps now, the Drakovian people would have to listen. The three of them, in the eyes of Drakovia, would be seen as martyrs who died for their cause. And in Drakovia, what nobler could a cause be if three young, brilliant minds had died in their quest to bring it to fruition?

Sebastyan was little more than a tool for Vasili to use, and once he stopped being useful, he simply discarded him. He had served his purpose. Now, it would elevate Vasili in the family. What’s his little brother’s death when it would make him King of Drakovia?

All he had to do was find some way to be rid of Trystan and the crown was his.

tl;dr—Vasili and Lydea, two non blood-related illegitimate children, formed a semi-incestuous romance in which the two of them groomed Sebastyan into a politician to push for what would become the Drakovian Act for Heir Equity. Vasili systematically murdered Juliana, Nadja, and eventually Sebastyan to garner support for the Act by turning them into martyrs.

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crazy-loca-blog · 9 months

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I know I'm super late to this party, so I don't know if this has been said, but at this point I'm going back and forth Crimes of Passion because I think even the most random dialog has some useful information. I wrote a super long post with everything that comes to my mind at this moment, but I wanted to start with the doors. Did you notice the detail about the doors in the chamber?

At first, when we ask Trystan about the passage, he says this:

Everything seems to be fine at that point. it would mean we could only have 9 doors for 9 kids. But when we enter the chamber, we find out there are actually 10 doors:

But then, if only the 9 children have access to the chamber, where does that 10th door lead? Another Thorne, for sure, but who? The king, the queen or Eveline's suite?

Also, I have many, many theories (and a few questions) on the children and the royal family in general (leaving them under the cut):

I don't think any of the kids killed Juliana and/or Nadja, but the person whose room is behind that 10th door.

I don't understand why they didn't ask everyone to immediately show their daggers. We know there would have been four daggers missing: Vasili, Sebastyan, and Marguerite's (because they don't have one), and Astrid's (because she apparently lost it). Could the dagger they found be Astrid's?

I think Sebastyan and Juliana were more than friends. I think they were actually lovers, but then Juli genuinely fell for Trystan and tried to break up with Bas. So, the letter that was read during Trystan's trial was meant to be for Bas, not for Trystan. And that's why Sebastyan resents Trystan so much.

Based on my previous idea, at the very beginning of the story, Juliana says: "Nothing beats a good 'enemies to lovers' story". I don't think she was just referring to the book she was reading at that moment. Trystan was her "enemy" at first, then he became her lover.

I think Kaspar doesn't steal stuff for fun or boredom. My guess is that he has some kleptomania issues, and the only person who knows about it is Emika, that's why she's constantly protecting him. Could this be their big secret?

Marguerite fiercely protects Trystan not only because he's her favorite brother, but also because she knows who the killer is. However, she won't say a thing about it (yet) because she's trying to protect the killer as well.

Vasili DOES resent Trystan for him not being second in the line of succession, even if he says otherwise.

I think Patryk will end up recording something super useful that will lead us to the killer 😂.

We've been able to see several security/intelligence issues throughout the story: Luke said it was lax, Trystan password was cute, but super weak for a royal affair (not to mention he knows Patryk's password! I mean, why?!?!), and even Olivia said Cordonia's intelligence was better (and we all know they suck 😂). Shouldn't this be part of Lydea's job as well, as a natonal security matter?

If you choose to ask Eveline about her relationship with the queen, she says they're not friends, but they're allies. What for? Raising the kids? Sharing responsibilities in the house? The only thing they seem to have in common is the king!

It seems Trystan is King Maksim's favorite son. If Trystan was willing to help Juli and Nadja and Bas pass the The Drakovian Act for Heir Equity they had been working on, does this mean Trystan could have convinced Maksim to join them as well?

The queen was willing to kill Gregor if he didn't break up with Astrid. HUGE red flag, if you ask me (I'm pretty sure she'll try to do something against the MC. You know, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". MC is an enemy).

I loved to see Olivia confirming my initial thoughts: this has nothing to do with Trystan, it's all about politics. I've always thought this is about protecting the crown and the status quo. Trystan was just a collateral victim, but he doesn't know it (yet).

I think the only reason Sebastyan is not the killer's third target is because he's part of the family, and because now that Juli and Nadja are gone, he stopped being a threaten for the crown.

Is there any link between the case we solved in New York and some of the royal children? Maybe Kaspar and Emika? Maybe Astrid? What's the point of making us solve a whole case in New York if our main case in the book is in Drakovia? Is it just a distraction?

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jerzwriter · 7 months

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Who was Vasili calling "Your Majesty" when he was on the ship about to kill poor Juliana?

The Queen? It's possible she's been behind/involved with this. After all, she has a disdain for Trystan, and this would put her child with her true love closer to the throne. She could have feigned support for the Act of Heir Equity, or she could have planned on offing Vasili as soon as it passed?

Eveline? I was super sus of her from the start. She had every reason to want the Act to pass because it would benefit all her children. And how Shakespearean tragedy would it be if this ended up costing her Sebastyan? (And likely Vasili, I don't think he's making it out of this story alive. And Mags, because she'd disown her.)

Lydea? Some twisted little fantasy? Or... since Vasili and Lydia are not related at all, were they involved? Was he planning on taking the throne, and he and Lydia would marry and rule together?

Someone else... wild cards could be Mags, Astrid, etc... though I'm pretty confident it's one of the three above.

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choicesbookclub · 8 months

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As new information is revealed each week, let's see which Thorne the fandom finds the most suspicious in the murder of Juliana Georgescu and Nadja Zoric. If you don't think the two murders were committed by the same person put your theory in the comments/reblogs! [See our past top suspects here]

I combined Kaspar and Emika to make room for the King...

Poll was created prior to chapter release...

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sporticus1234 · 8 months

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Wait a minute...

You're telling me Lydea believed Trystan was guilty all based on a doctored confession, but when Trystan and the MC accused Sebastyan and presented evidence (albeit circumstancial but still pretty solid circumstantial evidence), it suddenly wasn't enough for her and she had to go search for herself?

I have a sneaking suspicion that my gut feeling of the "illegitimate" child being one of the "legitimate" children who's directly in the line for the throne is truer than not. And I have a feeling that it's potentially Lydea who's the illegitimate "legitimate" child.

Trystan makes a note back when we read Sebastyan's dossier that Eveline's children were more tightly knit with each other than the rest of the siblings. Lydea and Vasili were always close, and Sebastyan was taken under her wing when Astrid, the twins, and Patryk all ganged up on him. Lydea's the only Thorne who seems to have any type of positive interaction or a "normal" type of relationship with the other illegitimate children. And Lydea also happens to be the Queen's "right hand" as the Captain of the Guard. She seems to be the only child who doesn't necessarily have a strained relationship with Viktoria, while the other children are written to have a strained relationship. Trystan and Viktoria. Maksim and the Twins. Astrid with both Viktoria and Maksim.

I know potentially it could also be Astrid since she would fall in that age bracket around Juliana's death, but I don't have solid evidence of her being the illegitimate child. First off, when Trystan mentioned the siblings were tightly knit, it was in red text, so automatic clue. But also, Astrid was never written or show to have any type of positive relationship with any of her siblings. All the siblings, bar Patryk since he's never there, have at least 1 positive relationship and interaction with another sibling. Trystan and Marguerite. Vasili, Lydea and Sebastyan. Kaspar and Emika. Astrid's just kinda...there...Plus, Viktoria ruined her relationship with her ex-boyfriend, so there's that...

But I also more strongly believe that this is potentially a multi-person plot between Viktoria, Lydea, and possibly Vasili. I always suspected Viktoria was involved in this case somehow anyway, but now I'm more certain of it. That bonus scene at the end of book 1 makes me wonder if the "humble servant" who was speaking to the "majesty" on the other end is Lydea/Vasili and Viktoria. But it would make sense. Get rid of the 3 people who are bringing the Act for Heir Equity into law that would put Vasili in line over Lydea. Murder the one person who discovered the secret of the illegitimate child to protect the secret. Frame the oldest sibling so he doesn't discover the secret and gets out of the line of succession so the illegitimate "legitimate" child can take the throne. And possibly if he's involved, Vasili gets to see Lydea, someone he's more close with, take the throne and gets his revenge on Trystan.

The one thing that's been bugging me since the start of this book is how "normal" the country seemed to be when Lydea was the heir. But as soon as Juliana's death is getting sniffed around, Trystan's back on trial. When Trystan's immediately reinstated as Heir to the throne, a dead woman is found in their suite. As soon as Trystan and the detective make a point that Sebastyan is potentially the murderer, he ends up dead, and the only two who discovered the body...Trystan and the MC.

Coincidence, am I right?

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urcowboyboyfriend · 7 months

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well, we know now

and that was a disappointing reveal. it makes sense that it would be vasili. but it's so boring. can you imagine if it really was astrid. how convoluted it would've been? that she really did want to be a queen? if she was the killer, we could assume she knew lydea was illegitimate. that would put astrid second in line to the throne (if she successfully squashed the act of equity). the only obstacle left would be trystan.

anyway, i was holding out hope they wouldn't take the easy way out (making bas - though he was pretty doomed to die since we met him - or vasili the killer). now im only praying they'll give us some angst at the end.

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storyofmychoices · 9 months

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I was replying to this post by @crazy-loca-blog who made a beautiful Thorne Family Tree (you should totally check it out), when I had this thought...

who was the heir to the throne while Trystan was exiled?

Here is how I understand the age order of the children:

Trystan : age 30

Vasili

Lydea

Astrid

Sebastyan

Emika and Kaspar (Twins)

Patryk

Mags : age 23

Trystan was exiled. Vasili is illegitimate Lydea is head of the royal guard which I believe takes her out of being heir...

that leaves... ASTRID.

Was Astrid heir to the throne?!?! Queen Astrid?!!

Trystan barely was acquitted before being thrown back into royal duties. Who has been doing these duties while he was exiled? Shouldn't there be a transition of responsibilities from whoever it was back to Trystan?

None of the children beside maybe Vasili seem like they've been doing things

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tu-omnia · 7 months

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wanted to throw my half-baked crimes of passion theories into the ring:

i really don't think it's vasili. i think if they want a third book trystan can't end up on the throne, but this is pb and even in a dark book they like to close on a semi-positive note. if trystan abdicates and lydea doesn't want the throne, the remaining legitimate heirs are all crazy/evil/completely unfit to rule. for closure regarding the 3 victims, the act for heir equality needs to be passed; then, vasili would then inherit the throne. and, you know, probably do a decent job. i don't see what motive he would have had, anyway.

i dont think it's marguerite, although that would be cool. i also don't think it's lydea; she's been suspicious, but her story made sense to me.

that leaves the most problematic of these problem children. i think all of them are capable of it, but honestly i dont see the motive for any of them. but it has to be one of them, right?

no the fuck it doesn't.

who else is a member of the royal family, who might have had motive for these murders?

oh yeah, the fucking KING AND QUEEN.

my money is on queen viktoria here, but there's a lot we don't know about maksim; he's a wild card, and i wouldn't be surprised if there was some digging to be done there

but queen viktoria.

motive 1: she doesn't want to see her husbands illegitimate children on the throne. duh.

motive 2, the juicier one: she didn't want her secret love-child to be revealed.

she's in an awkward position, with her husband's extramarital relationship being common knowledge

but she's maintained her grace throughout, treating eveline and her children with respect. after all, she is still queen; and it's maksim who comes off the worst in this arrangement.

if she ever had her own dalliance, who could blame her? and yet, if it came out, her reputation would very much be tarnished. in fact, it could compromise public opinion of the crown, to have it known that both the king and queen have had affairs.

now, let's assume that lydea is the love-child. trystan, viktoria's first child, is heir; when they are removed from the line of succession, lydea is next. if the act for heir equality passed, the crown would go to eveline's child. but if lydea remained the heir and then was revealed not to be the king's daughter, astrid would be the crown princess. viktoria's daughter, yes, legitimate, yes, but completely unfit to rule.

so to ensure her child's succession AND the security of the country, she needed to both doom the act, and bury the secret of lydea's heritage. and she's a true drakovian, so how does she go any it? 🔪🔪🔪

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masked-alien-lesbian · 7 months

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I'm very pleased with the murderer reveal and their accomplice. There were a couple of people I didn't want it to be and they all came out of it smelling like roses or as much as a Thorne can lol.

#I suspected the queen #For a long time #REALLY didn't want it to be Lydea #And I dreaded Juliana's lover being Astrid #So they all aren't....well they're still bad #And psychopaths #But they're not going to be arrested #Cop 2 #crimes of passion #choices #pixelberry #playchoices

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itlovesinthewoods · 9 months

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Speculation about COP2 and the murders

I feel like the Queen is involved somehow in the murders. Don't have any coherent thoughts on it, just call it a gut feeling. She's already been set up as being pretty sketchy (doesn't like Trystan, only watches as the obviously rigged trial commences, probably wouldn't want the Heir Act to be put in place, would know about the passageways). I may have missed something which discounts the queen tho.

Lydea is too easy of a suspect (tho if the queen has a hand in everything, I wonder how she fits in, being her right hand woman). I don't think the twins are directly involved either. Sebastyan seems to be just an antagonistic figure rather than truly malicious. There's definitely a lot more to him, since he's the most connected Juliana/Nadja/Heir Act Plot, but I can see him becoming a future ally.

Astrid's already been hinted as being more cunning ans intelligent than you're lead to believe. I don't know if I suspect her but I do think she has some sort of role in the story rather than being a passive figure.

I'm actually a little suspicious of Patryk. He arrives later than everyone else and is the most antagonistic towards MC so far. I think there's more to him or that he might be working with someone (as a pawn rather than a mastermind).

Vasili has the biggest motive for getting Trystan out if the way (tho that would only be if the Heir Act was put into motion, so it doesn't make sense why he'd do something against it). He's also cunning and intelligent so I'm naturally suspicious of him but I'm hoping he isn't involved because I kinda like him

I also wonder how the King fits in all this because so far he's been a pretty passive figure

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cooltuna69 · 9 months

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I think the 5 knives in the emoji teaser for CoP 2 was because (Trystan aside), only 5 of the siblings have daggers: Lydea, Astrid (even if hers is supposedly "lost"), Emika, Kaspar, and Patryk. Trystan says that Duchess Eveline's children were never given daggers since they're not in line for the throne. While I don't think that was a definite marker of anyone's guilt or innocence, it was probably a dual hint that someone (Nadja) would be killed by a royal dagger and that they would explore the disparity between Queen Viktoria's and Duchess Eveline's children

This actually sounds a lot more likely now that I think about it. Thanks for pointing it out!

Then I think it's Vasili, dude is too chill for a Thorne (one of them at least)

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kraken-o-doyle · 7 months

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Say, in the dawn of the two final chapters for COP 2 coming out, I wanna speculate what could happen. (btw, I legit sat there shook, because I thought we weren't getting a sequel).

K, so, I feel like we are going to be very emotional saying goodbye to Trystan; and that we agree to go our separate ways because he/she knows that MC wants to go back to New York.

Also I'm disappointed by the fact that the killer is in fact Vasili, because if he wanted, he could have gotten rid of both MC and Trystan if he really wanted to and passed the legislation without anyone literally questioning him. He was nice to MC, BUT HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN RID OF HER IN THAT ONE SCENE, but now there are two wrenches in his plans and next to impossible to get rid of; because both MC and Trystan know about Vasili's actions against the three victims (more on that later?) and if he tried to get rid of MC, the crown heir would most surely start a witch hunt everyone would sort of believe the future king/queen and set Vasili's ass running. And if Trystan disappeared, boy oh boy that would be different, no one would believe MC OVER A GODDAMN PRINCE, let alone someone who is very horrible at detecting. (No wonder she was kicked out 🥹 know that I am just kidding)

I believe Trystan is gonna go missing right before his coronation because Vasili (who's the killer) is also second in line to the throne; so why tf not him making Trystan disappear and becoming King of Drakovia. (Problems with this, why wouldn't they arrest him? I have a sneaky suspicion that he knows there is no evidence linking him to the murders literally and figuratively; he got rid of the evidence or someone did and they got rid of them. (Lydea, no!)

Lydea had disappeared in today's chapter; either she did the same thing like Seb and trusted Vasili (because she thought it was Astrid and let her guard down) and he killed her. Cause I feel like we are gonna find her somewhere half dead-soon to perish. And she is gonna reveal, he had destroyed the evidence linking him to the murders. 🤷‍♀️

Could MC'S dad be alive?? Because yeah we were told she saw him get shanked but do we ever see his funeral? I hope we don't get a scenario where he is alive and behind some shitty ass thing somewhere in Drakovia, because that would undo so much character development for MC.

Question; what could be the premise of book 3. I hope it isn't to apprehend Vasili. I guess not judging by the descriptions of the two last chapters, we are apprehending him, so tf is gonna happen. Is Via Imperii gonna make an appearance? Also does he not remind anyone of Anton (TRR?)

Add on!! The statement by Astrid about MC getting shanked in the neck and possibly getting poisoned makes me worried; is that what makes the two main characters to split? Trystan wants to protect MC and only way he could insure that is if they were out of Drakovia. Astrid and Vasili working together?

Thoughts?