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inamindfarfaraway · 6 months

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The Morality of Mabel and Dipper Pines

Warning: Dipper Levels of Overanalysis Ahead

I’d like to make it clear at the start that I love both of these characters equally and they’re both good people, just in different ways. But I’ve seen a lot of criticism of Mabel’s flaws and less of Dipper’s, so I’d like to contribute to the discussion of their respective characters by exploring a divide between them I haven’t seen talked about much.

Mabel really wants to be a moral person. She places a lot of intrinsic worth in the concepts of ethics, like kindness and fairness and the wellbeing of others. Being a bad person could be considered her worst fear. It’s definitely up there with her other greatest fears of losing her relationship with Dipper and the inevitability of change, and those fears developed later largely in response to Ford and the baggage he brought with him.

Dipper just doesn’t care about that as much. That isn’t to say he’s a bad person! He's compassionate, selfless, brave and unquestionably heroic by the end of the show. They both are. But it sticks out to me how differently they think about ethics. For example, Dipper literally kills Wax Sherlock Holmes, while Mabel is so averse to hurting someone’s feelings that she can’t bear to break out of a false, one-sided relationship with Gideon until Dipper's life is at stake. You see what I’m getting at here? But I have more evidence! Buckle up, this is gonna get long.

Compare how they treat their rivals, Pacifica and Robbie. These are ordinary humans with no real authority over them who, age and class gaps aside, they're basically on even footing with in confrontations, so this is a good metric for how aggressive they are when upset and how much they hold grudges in mundane situations.

In “Irrational Treasure”, Mabel is deeply hurt by Pacifica’s mockery to the point of giving up her silly identity, and sets out to prove her wrong that she can be competent. But at the end, when presented with the opportunity to destroy the Northwest family’s fake prestigious legacy that they use to justify putting others down, she declares, “I’ve got nothing to prove” and lets it go. She’s secure in herself. Her motivation is satisfied. Why bother putting more pain and strife into the world? It’s Dipper, who has been only been hurt by proximity to Mabel, who insists on exposing the truth specifically to spite Pacifica and takes away that “Man, revenge is underrated. That felt awesome!” Revenge is arguably a form of justice, especially in this sense of revealing an unfair lie, but still, he takes great pleasure in bringing an enemy down for the sake of it, not to fix the damage they did.

In “Fight Fighters”, Dipper’s vindictive streak returns. He manipulates the ridiculously powerful Rumble McSkirmish into brutally beating up Robbie on the fraudulent charge of murder, threatening Robbie’s life. He didn’t realize Rumble would try to kill Robbie, but he was fine with him severely injuring him. Rumble is a fighting game character, a superpowered master martial artist. Robbie is a normal fifteen-year-old. This is not a sportsmanlike matchup. By the end Dipper learns his lesson and takes responsibility, but so does Mabel about hurting people to try to have a perfect life and people still complain about that!

In “The Golf War”, Mabel is again the twin with a bone to pick with Pacifica, but Dipper takes her rivalry more seriously than her and is more willing to be mean about it. He encourages her to cheat when she doesn’t want to, justifying it because Pacifica is “cheating at life”. Understandable, but still underhanded. While Mabel bonds and buries the hatchet with her rival by the end, outright declaring their rivalry to be stupid, Dipper holds onto it, refusing to forgive Pacifica at all and disapproving of Mabel's offer to give her a ride home afterward despite the pouring rain and her absent parents. He still wholeheartedly considers her “the worst” (and tells her so to her face) at the beginning of “Northwest Mansion Mystery”, even though he saw her and Mabel help and protect each other in their fight against the Lilliputtians and Pacifica thank Mabel and accept her apology.

In “The Love God”, Mabel’s compassion is on full display. She makes it apparent that she wants everyone she knows to be happy, to the point of making a chart to show her friends’ feelings with stickers, and goes out of her way to help Robbie just because she doesn’t think any human being should be so lonely and sad. Dipper initially has no sympathy for Robbie’s misery and sees the twins and his old friends leaving him to rot as a good thing.

Dipper just invests more emotionally into hating people and is more willing to play dirty. Mabel prefers to see the best in people, forgive, deescalate conflict and turn enemies into friends whenever possible, and has more respect for honour and sportsmanship.

Compare the insecurities they highlight in "Society of the Blind Eye". These could have been their last words spoken with their memories of the summer, so they are fully candid and vulnerable.

Mabel confesses, “I only love some of my stuffed animals and the guilt is killing me!” She reprimands herself for not having sincere affection for all the people in her life… who are inanimate objects, hence this being a joke about how immature and overly sentimental she is. But she’s telling the truth! Not being honest about your feelings toward someone who loves you (as toys are assumed to love their kids) is wrong. It’s something a bad, or at least flawed, person would do. We also know that it’s something Mabel can do with real consequences - she loves Dipper unconditionally, but her frequent teasing of him instead of letting this on damages his self-esteem more than she intends and often realizes - and when she does realize as in “Little Dipper”, she’s ashamed of herself. Her guilt is that she’s failing morally, that she hurts the people around her despite her good intentions.

Dipper admits, “Sometimes I use big words and don’t actually know what they mean. I mean, I’m supposed to be the smart guy! If I’m not the smart guy, then who am I?” He primarily thinks of his worth in terms of competence. Dipper is generally not that confident, at this point in time. He has an intense drive to prove his worth. He is acutely aware of his physical and social shortcomings. But the one thing he knows that he does well is analytical, deductive and strategic thinking, and so to always have value he’s built his entire identity around being particularly intelligent. He’s the planner, the mastermind, the guy with the specialized knowledge and important big words who people have no choice but to respect and listen to, because a lifetime of loneliness besides Mabel has taught him that given a choice, they probably won’t. Except just like Mabel’s all-loving attitude, there’s an element of performance. He doesn’t know everything; he’s inherently irrational to a degree like everyone else. So he tries to seem smarter than he is. His guilt is that he’s failing intellectually and practically, that he isn’t contributing enough to be worth something.

This is where Dipper diverges. He wants to be ethically good less than he wants to be good AT things, and respected for it. But they both beat themselves up when they don’t live up to their self-assigned archetypes of All-Loving Hero and The Smart Guy, when they aren’t good enough by their own unreasonably high standards.

"The Last Mabelcorn" deconstructs Mabel’s fixation on her moral perfection. Celestabellabethabelle, who I will henceforth call C-Beth for short, manipulates it to keep her out of the unicorns’ way. She makes manifest Mabel’s fear that she isn’t good enough no matter what she does. We see Mabel push herself further and further to try to prove herself, much like Dipper in episodes like “Dipper vs Manliness”, and emotionally unravel until she’s miserable, self-loathing and openly listing her vices in a way never seen before. But this isn’t productive! Wallowing in shame doesn’t motivate her to be better! She needs to learn that although she isn’t perfect, the virtues she has are good enough to work with to both get out and kick C-Beth out of her head. She decides to stop worrying about meeting an impossible ideal of goodness and just focus on doing good, by using efficient (if violent, and therefore immoral under certain paradigms) methods to protect her family. Her plot in this episode has its detractors and I understand the criticisms that the message wasn’t handled as well as it could have been. But I think it does okay. Mabel definitely reevaluates her need to feel like a good person here. She switches from prioritizing what’s important to her, the validation of being "pure of heart", to what’s important to others and in the bigger picture, simply getting the unicorn hair to keep Bill out of the Mystery Shack.

Finally, compare the twins’ disastrous errors in judgement in “Scary-Oke” and “Dipper and Mabel vs the Future”, when they both accidentally unleash terrible forces of evil upon the town and set in motion a local apocalypse.

Dipper recites an incantation from Journal 3 that causes the dead to rise as bloodthirsty zombies, desperate to prove to the government agents before they leave that the supernatural is real and warrants their help investigating, driven by both his desire for knowledge (his tool to feel secure in himself) and more immediately his fear of being dismissed as unworthy. He is emotionally vulnerable, but still creates the dangerous situation on his own initiative. Since he doesn’t need a blacklight to read the spell and the beginning of the episode established that he’s already familiar with all Journal 3’s visible entries, he knows what the spell would do. He doesn’t realize how many zombies will appear and how dangerous they’ll be. But he is aware that there are risks. Plus, the Shack is hosting a party full of innocent civilians and Mabel has explicitly asked him not to interfere with weirdness. The one thing she told him not to do that night was raise the dead! And what does he do? Raises the dead.

Mabel is actively deceived and manipulated into giving who she believes to be Blendin Blandin, an expert in time-altering technology, what she believes to be an item of such technology, with the intention of warping time to extend the summer for the town. This is a selfish choice. But on top of how emotionally compromised she is, sobbing in despair after “the worst day of [her] life”, consider her internal logic: the end of summer is going to mean the trials and tribulations of growing up for both her and Dipper, and they won’t even have each other if he gets his way; Wendy is already going through that and has told her how awful high school is; she overheard at least some of the Stans’ conversation at the end of “A Tale of Two Stans”, meaning she might know that Stan will have to give up his home and business once the summer is over; and she and Dipper both have true friends here who they will miss and be missed by, as opposed to their memories of Piedmont where we only see them supporting and comforting each other and never hear of any friends. And it isn’t like she’s the only one having fun! Stan is happier than ever, Ford is back home, Dipper’s come into his own more than she could ever have anticipated. He’ll still get to delve into the mysteries of this town that he loves so much. But she’ll be there too. If you want more Gravity Falls, you can see where she’s coming from. She genuinely thinks that “just a little more summer” would be a positive experience for everyone, with plenty of good reason. Yes, she’s recklessly messing with powerful forces that she doesn’t understand. Yes, she isn’t nearly as suspicious of this sudden miracle solution as she should be. But she has no evidence that this would harm anyone.

Their responses after making their mistake are also noteworthy. They’re both horrified and remorseful. But Dipper expresses no concern for the agents for the rest of the episode when it looks like they’ve been killed due to his actions. He even nonchalantly remarks that he thought they were dead when he sees them again. Mabel, however, reaches to stop Bill and begs him to “wait” before he knocks her unconscious. Then she’s imprisoned in Mabelland, which is designed to make her never want to leave and based on how it only occurs to her after she renounces it that the neon colours and repetitive background music are too much even for her, may additionally have a direct, if subtle, influence on her mind. So she’s a little distracted from her guilt. But by risking her life to fix the repercussions of her actions and save the town, she shows much more responsibility for the townspeople’s lives than Dipper showed for the agents he’d tried so hard to impress. He just happily went about his business for weeks believing he had two people’s deaths on his conscience. Never even looked into whether they survived.

These differences in their personal moral philosophies add another layer to the parallels between the two generations of Pines twins. Typically, Dipper parallels Ford and Mabel parallels Stan. But less so here! Like Mabel, Ford very staunchly believes in abstract moral theory, namely that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. He holds a grudge for weeks against Stan saving him from being lost in the dimensions through the portal, because it endangered the rest of the world by creating the Rift. It was a good deed with good intentions… but it didn’t only make life better for everyone. To Ford, that means it isn’t good enough. Hmm, which younger twin has a problem with judging anything short of ‘pure good’ to not be worthwhile? Also like Mabel, Ford’s self-righteousness is often hypocritical, considering his pride, selfishness and willingness to disregard the possible negative consequences of his actions, e.g. trusting Bill and building the portal in the first place.

Like Dipper, Stan is willing and ready to use underhanded methods to win against his enemies, to lie, cheat, steal and leverage assets he doesn’t really have the right to. He’s more inclined to be aggressive, spiteful and smug. As for holding grudges, even to an unreasonable extent, he personally despised a nine-year-old child even before he knew that the child was a bad person. He would absolutely summon Rumble McSkirmish to attack a rival for him. He prides himself on his cunning, another form of intelligence, and prioritises being good at what he does best over holding the moral high ground. He is shown to have lifelong insecurities about Ford being better than him in other fields (and thus explicitly valued more by their father); so his pragmatism is his way of trying to always be useful to the people he loves, and indeed a key way he shows them his love.

#gravity falls #mabel pines #dipper pines #pines twins #gravity falls analysis

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argent-vermeile · 1 year

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Sweets || Multifandom

You bring them sweets and they react to it Fandoms: Hazbin Hotel, Gravity Falls, Life is Strange, Atomic Heart, Doki Doki Literature Club “Would you kindly put them on the table? Thank you for bringing these sweets, darling.” Is most grateful and shows it, giving you something in return later.

Alastor, Charlie, Stanford Pines, Max Caulfield, Kate Marsh, Dmitry Sechenov, Zinaida Muravyova, Monika b4 act 2

“Why are you late? Hm, bought me sweets? Well, I forgive you but don’t expect me to go all out for just a bunch of sweets” Is confused by your gift but tries to hide it and use mentioned sweets to hit on you.

Niffty, Bill Cipher, Stanley Pines, Victoria Chase, Chariton Zakharov, Viktor Petrov

“Damn, these smell nice! Those for me, for real? Thanks a lot! Lemme have a taste!” Munches on them immediately and forgets about you for some time. However, later they’ll make it up to you.

Angel Dust, Mabel Pines, Dipper Pines, Soos, Wendy, Warren Graham, Sayori “Sorry, hon’, I don’t like sweets... But I can brew some tea and have a nice chat with you while you enjoy them.” Is deeply touched by your attempts to cater to their needs and tries to make things work.

Vaggie, Gideon Gleeful, Joyce Price, Larisa Filatova, Yuri “Sweets? Are you, like, five? W-What? For me? Well, can’t let them go to waste... You bought them, have a share.” Acts like an absolute tsundere and is not ashamed by it. Probably would shove some ‘damn sweets’ in your face later.

Husk, Pacifica Northwest, Robbie Valentino, Chloe Price, Michael Stockhausen, Natsuki

“Ahem... I can’t eat anything, even these, but you should before they deteriorate. By the way, what sweets are your favorite?” Biologically, they aren’t able to eat but they feel special, being treated like an equal. Probably would try to reciprocate.

Vox, Giffany, Rumble McSkirmish, CHAR-les spoilers go away, Tereshkova, Monika spoilers go away x2 written by @argent-vermeile

#multifandom #hazbin hotel #gravity falls #life is strange #atomic heart #doki doki literature club #ddlc #hazbin hotel headcanons #gravity falls headcanons #life is strange headcanons #atomic heart headcanons #ddlc headcanons #hazbin hotel x reader #gravity falls x reader #life is strange x reader #atomic heart x reader #ddlc x reader

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headcanonfalls · 2 months

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Tourny 2: Round One!

our competitors:

headcanon that Stan's middle name is Caryn

(no explanation needed)

headcanon that Robbie Valentino has borderline personality disorder

(evidence from submitter:

1. Fear of abandonment - desperately doesn’t want Wendy to leave him when they are dating, people with disorder often take extreme measures to prevent abandonment

2. Impulsive or dangerous behavior - what could be more impulsive than deciding to use a potentially magical mind-controlling cd because your girlfriend wants to leave you? also, in terms of dangerous behavior, taunting rumble mcskirmish most definitely was not his safest move

3. Anger management issues - tries to fight a twelve year old

4. Unclear or shifting self image - seen very confident in some episodes but then seen feeling bad about himself in the love god episode when mabel goes to his room

5. Feelings of emptiness - in the love god episode, despite regretting the sentence immediately afterwards when it starts pecking him, he tells a vulture to just ‘eat him already’ because he feels so low and sad)

#gravity falls #stan pines #robbie valentino

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ultimateheadcanontournament · 1 year

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Round One

Dipper Pines

"Has a whole episode about him trying to be manly and not feeling like enough of a man, and at the end he rejects toxic masculinity and realizes that being a man is about standing up for yourself. His real name is never mentioned in the show, which could imply that Dipper is a nickname that he's been using as a replacement for his deadname. He and Mabel look like identical twins aside from their gender (which is true of a lot of cartoon twins tbf). The only time he delivers a halfway decent punch in a fight against Rumble McSkirmish is when told he fights like a girl. Incredibly strong reaction to switching bodies with Mabel, possibly bc of reawakened dysphoria. That said, in the aforementioned manliness episode Mabel and Stan make fun of him for implying that he is manly, which reads as pretty transphobic if this is true. I don't think it's in character for them to do that without apologizing."

Cecil Gershwin Palmer

"Hyperverbal Autism is not officially recognised, but it is categorised less by constantly speaking and more by a need to voice your what you're thinking out loud to actually process your thoughts.

The way Cecil constantly narrates what he does when he doesn't actually need to, and the way blurts out whatever details he focuses on.

He really does seem to need to say his thoughts out loud before they escape him."

#round 1 #tournament poll #gravity falls #dipper pines #welcome to night vale #cecil gershwin palmer #wtnv cecil

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kodamotoi · 1 year

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Some more of Game Shoujo Dipper.

The ghost problem at the Northwest Manor appears to have gone a little differently in terms of the outfit Dipper ended up in. Dipper would also quickly discover that for some reason, they were pretty good at running in heels and a big poofy dress.

Dipper also has the ability to summon stat screens of not only themself, but for others as well that show a variety of information pertaining to the person and their general relation to Dipper. Dipper is capable of opening up these boxes either right near someone, or directly in front of themself away from the person. Dipper also has access to a subspace inventory pocket that they can store things, which is divided into several categories including a mysterious ‘Key Items’ category that so far contains the likes of their own notebook dedicated to writing down their skills and other aspects of their new form. For some reason, outfits like the gown they obtained from the Northwests also count as key items.

Though wary of the idea, Dipper decided to go back and try to confront Giffany and see if she could change them back. However, it seemed as if Giffany was BEYOND EXCITED over their new existence as a partial AI and immediately seemed to form a bond with them. The idea of no longer actually being the only one thrilled Giffany, and all she could do was pull Dipper into the game cabinet and gush over them, declaring that Dipper was now her little sister.

This confrontation would eventually lead to Giffany managing to leave the Fight Fighters game cabinet, no longer interested in her attempts to romance Rumble McSkirmish. Instead, she felt an intense calling in trying to be an older sister figure to not only Dipper, but also Mabel! As part of this, she was able to, with some reluctant help from Dipper, jump into Mabel’s phone

#Gravity Falls #Dipper Pines #Mabel Pines #Pacifica Northwest #Giffany #AU #Girly #feminine #tf #transformation #Koda My Art #art #drawing #drawings

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mattapparentlystumbltourneys · 7 months

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BRACKET REVEAL

Alright. At long last, I present to you the bracket...or should I say...*BRACKETS* for the Virtual Character Tournament!

Given the scale, the first round is going to be one bracket per week, 4 a day, with each lasting 24 hours. I know that this is still tight, but given how many contestants there are, along with the necessary inclusions of images and propaganda (oh and I guess also my job), it's what I can do to keep this semi-manageable. There's also no redemption round this time. It's gonna be a single elimination tournament. Be kind to your peers. This is not but a drop in the infinite ocean of the internet.

...oh yeah the brackets themselves. We'll be going in order over the course of 4 weeks. I'll make proper announcements for them as they commence. Given how many there are and what I want to get done beforehand, Bracket 1 will likely begin some time this week. But for the matchups...

Bracket 1:

Hatsune Miku (Vocaloid) vs. Elohim (The Talos Principle)

Flame (Yu-Gi-Oh! VRains) vs. The Supervisor/Mouthless (Tenkuu Shinpan)

XANA (Code Lyoko) vs. MetalMan.EXE (Mega Man Battle Network)

9-Jack-9 (Zot!) vs Poppy Pipopapo (Kamen Rider Ex Aid)

Sage (Sonic Frontiers) vs Mektryllis (Fate/Extra CCC)

Dot Matrix (Reboot) vs V Flower (Vocaloid)

Wizardmon (Digimon) vs Delta (Red Vs. Blue)

Sora (Ever17) vs Kasane Teto (UTAU)

The Doctor/EMH (Star Trek Voyager) vs Crash (Awful Hospital)

Burroughs (Shin Megami Tensei IV) vs Quorra (Tron Legacy)

The Machine (Person of Interest) vs The Rocket Dex (Pokemon)

P03 (Inscription) vs. M.X.E.S (FNAF Security Breach: Ruins)

Hakuno Kishinami (Fate/EXTRA) vs Data Riku (Kingdom Hearts)

Samaritan (Person of Interest) vs ART (The Murderbot Diaries)

Cortana (Halo) vs M-Bot (Skyward)

Mitsuko Miyazumi (Archer) vs Ritsu (Assassination Classroom)

Bracket B:

Ene (Kagerou Project) vs The Thunderhead (Arc of a Scythe)

Amadeus (Steins; Gate 0) vs D.O.M (The Adventure Zone)

AM (I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream) vs Theo (Meta Runner)

Colonel.EXE (Mega Man Battle Network) vs Daia (Kiratto PriChan)

Agumon (Digimon) vs The Bobbiedots (FNAF Fazbear Frights)

Felix the Desktop Cat (Real Life) vs SHODAN (System Shock)

MegaMan.EXE (Mega Man Battle Network) vs Church (Red vs. Blue)

Shepherd (ENA) vs Dr. Coomer (Half Life VR But the AI is Self-Aware)

Sophie/Sophia (Persona 5 Strikers) vs Dizzy (Beyblade)

Miss J/SCP 5094 (SCP) vs Ultraman X (Ultraman X)

SAYU (No Straight Roads) vs Falulu (Pripara)

Incarceron (Incarceron) vs Benry (Half Life VR but the AI is Self-Aware)

Lea (Crosscode) vs Kiracchu (Kiratto PriChan)

Dragon (Prahumans) vs Murder-Bot 2.0 (The Murderbot Diaries)

Ai (Yu-Gi-Oh! VRains) vs Glitch Slime (Slime Rancher)

Eris (Wolf 359) vs Monika (Doki Doki Literature Club)

Bracket III:

Hera (Wolf 359) vs Shin AI (Your Turn to Die)

Alba (Star Twinkle Pretty Cure) vs The Denpa Men (The Denpa Men)

Guy (Free Guy) vs EDI (Mass Effect)

Aetna (Lore Olympus) vs Yui (Sword Art Online)

Nicole the Holo-Lynx (Archie Sonic) vs Gabumon (Digimon)

Jacqueline Box (Pripara) vs Mamechi (Tamagotchi)

Vanellope von Shweetz (Wreck-It Ralph) vs Cleverbot (Real Life)

The Phantom Virus (Scooby-Doo) vs Chiaki Nanami (Danganronpa)

Alter Ego (Danganronpa) vs Digit (Cyberchase)

Simulcast (Reflection TTRPG) vs SARA (Toonami)

Lumina Ichihoshi (Dig Delight Direct Drive DJ) vs The World Machine (OneShot)

Rumble McSkirmish (Gravity Falls) vs Holly (Red Dwarf)

HAL 9000 (2001: A Space Odyssey) vs Samantha (Her)

PAMA (Minecraft Story Mode) vs Noah Kaiba (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

Agent Smith (The Matrix) vs O.R.C.A (Splatoon)

Spunc (Alpha Betas) vs Porygon (Pokemon)

Bracket Delta:

GIFanny (Gravity Falls) vs Coco (Aikatsu Friends)

Vic Fontaine (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine) vs Red One (The Last Angel)

Glitchtrap (FNAF Help Wanted) vs Holo (My Holo Love)

Avina (Mass Effect) vs Light Hope (She-Ra)

Motherboard (Cyberchase) vs Aya (Green Lantern: The Animated Series)

Bonzi Buddy (Real Life) vs Tama (AI The Somnium Files)

Dragon (Worm) vs Bip (Runway to the Stars)

Failsafe (Destiny) vs J.A.R.V.I.S (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Aiba (AI: The Somnium Files) vs CanHaz (DC Comics)

SAYER (SAYER) vs Fey (Welcome to Night Vale)

Buddy (Buddy Simulator 1984) vs Ziggy (Quantum Leap)

Maggy (Hellspark) vs The Squip (Be More Chill)

Lyla (Spider-Man: Across the Spiderverse) vs Durandal (Marathon)

Beta Jay 137 (Ninjago) vs Zero III (Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward)

Sergey Ushanka (The Magnus Archines) vs Demetra (Spy Kids 3: GAME OVER)

Alie (The 100) vs Lil' Hal (Homestuck)

As always, thank you for bearing with me during this long and arduous process. Sorry for the hassle, and be prepared, as it is almost upon us.

#virtual character tourney #tournament layout #there are a lot of characters so i'll be tagging them during the rounds #don't want to pack even more nonsense into the bottom portion #character polls

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ryunumber · 1 year

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Mabel Pines from Gravity Falls?

Also I went looking for the master post and it doesn't look pinned any more.

Mabel Pines has a Ryu Number of 3/2.

(For clarification, see Rumble McSkirmish.)

#mabel pines #gravity falls #ryu number

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random-iz-stuff · 1 year

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I headcanon that Dib would be fan of Gravity Falls, (a show full of mysteries, cryptids and paranormal shit), making theories and buying all the books (and maybe some other merchandise); that or (as in an actual crossover) Dib would love to go there and maybe be Dipper's friend, since both share interests for the paranormal, also Gaz would love Waddles (Mabel's pig)

I was a massive fan of Gravity Falls as a kid and yeah. Dib would eat that show up. It’s right up his alley.

Also there’s a lot of interesting stuff for a crossover between the two shows. You already mentioned Dib and Dipper becoming friends and I can definitely see Gaz showing interest in Waddles.

But there’s much more. Dib would probably faint if he met Ford. A paranormal investigator that ISN’T crazy, believes him when he talks about aliens and other cryptids AND wrote a bunch of journals and documents on the paranormal? That’s not just a dream to Dib, that’s probably something along the lines of what he wants to be when he grows up.

Also if Zim showed up in Gravity Falls as well you just KNOW that Dib would use every supernatural force he has access to in that town to fight Zim. Not even just the obvious ones like spells or the magic copy machine. I can easily see Dib summoning Rumble McSkirmish and sending him off to fight Zim. He literally just needs to input the code and say “oh yeah that green guy over there is an alien trying to take over the planet” and Rumble would instantly be ready to fight Zim.

Also that crashed UFO. I can see both Dib AND Zim wanting to explore that place. Dib because it’s a crashed alien ship and Zim because he knows how rare alien life is in this part of the galaxy and he wants to know what exactly came here.

Also, I’ve always figured that Irkens can’t be possessed by anything. If something possesses their organic body their PAK will notice and preform a reactivation, destroying whatever is currently possessing the Irken’s mind. And if something tries to possess the PAK, they’ll be destroyed by the organic brain constantly updating and overwriting the PAK’s current data (as it needs to do that for the reactivation protocol to work properly). So imagine Bill almost going through with a deal with Zim (which is possible considering that Zim is capable of building dimensional portals with ease, a skill that Bill very much needs), only for him to realize at the last second that he can’t possess Zim without dying (imagine Bill’s canon death but instead of a memory gun it’s the PAK’s reactivation protocol) so he needs to quickly rework the deal into something else. Or Zim letting Bill possess him as part of a deal fully knowing that he can’t be possessed, essentially tricking Bill into giving him something for nothing.

Speaking of Bill, Dib would 100% be willing to make a deal with him. He’s already been shown to be willing to make deals with demons like Mortos Der Soulstealer.

If the crossover happens post-canon and Bill is dead, a small child in a red hoodie can be occasionally seen Fortnite default dancing on the chaos god’s grave when no one is looking.

#invader zim #asks #gravity falls #crossover

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