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Frieren Bluray Vol.1 Booklet part 2 /2 END
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#Frieren#frieren anime#frieren: beyond journey's end#sousou no frieren#Frieren arts#Frieren art#Frieren illustration#illustration#concept art#frieren concept art#anime#frieren bd#HIMMEL#Frieren cast#nobuhiko okamoto
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#you couldn't cast water walk on him too?#Fern you're so mean :D#fern#stark#frieren#sousou no frieren#frieren at the funeral#frieren beyond journey's end#葬送のフリーレン#sailor arashi gifs#gif warning
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Being a Frieren fan is a continual agony of looking in the tags and seeing the media misunderstanders log in. Frieren explicitly says "Elves rarely feel romantic or sexual attraction" and these fucks take that 'rarely' and run a country mile with it
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#world of darkness#changeling the dreaming#sidhe#trolls#frieren: beyond journey's end#casting hands#ttrpg stuff#ttrpg memes
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Frieren as a series is so captivating to me because it's the first time in a while I've seen a piece of media be like, so outwardly offended at the notion that people who think/behave differently are in any way comparable to monsters
#not knocking anyone who enjoys that type of headcanon/media analysis#where they feel kinship with inhuman characters/monsters due to IRL discrimination#but as someone in the “no i'm human actually fuck you” camp something like frieren is very refreshing#cast full of God's Most Neurodivergent Little Soldiers fighting against murderhobo faes#and the series expects you to fully accept said characters' quirks unless they're being assholes#and more importantly expects you to delve into how they interact with the world around them when it presents you their stories#sousou no frieren
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i keep remembering that someone put dungeon meshi as one of the example for bad fantasy animes when trying to hype frieren up in comparison and i get so mad every single time i might pop a vein
#clearly you know nothing about what youre talking about#frieren is not bad but compared to dungeon meshi? hello??????#how dare#im so mad thinking ab how people who dont even give dm a chance put it down comparing it to frieren#frieren that does the same thing every episode but in different fonts with dm with the rich worldbuilding interesting multifaceted cast and#fun adventure and incredible life lessons and dwarf panty shots and tight amazing pacing and cool overarching plot and fun expressions#new exciting thing every episode that balances deep topics with humor#instead of overpowered old elf visit yet another place she visited 80 years ago relates everything back to one dude that she fumbled#frieren and dm set out to achieve diff things narratively and its not like frieren NEEDS to have as intricate a worldbuilding as dunmesh do#but UGHH#wishing dm gained more popularity for how good a series it is#its not enough
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mdzs watching me finish tgcf practically overnight after having abandoned it:
#13 short eps > 50 long ones#and i only just found out there's a s2 so.. i know what I'm gonna be doing real soon ✨#tldr ive been watching some animes on netflix lately and got REALLY into this one#hoping romantic killer will be good. a friend recommended it to me bc she said it reminded her of me lmaaoo#my happy marriage was nice but also like jfc it had so many real sad and haunting parts too. lowkey hoping for a s2. had a nice cast/plot#uuhh been all over the place watching like stand up and bake off and stuff in between idk#ooohhh and frieren! abt halfway thru that one bc i was watching it w a friend#and trying to finish s2 of the restaurant show. and we were rewatching wotakoi bc it was cute#i might rewatch vanitas at some point bc.. bae <33#jj.txt#aerin.txt#my post#misc.#tagtalks
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If Zoltraak so OP, why doesn’t Frieren/Copyren use it to fight each other?: a silly tactics essay
Madhouse is absolutely killing it with their gorgeous fight scenes that also make more sense the more you dig into them. In this episode, it's the senior citizen fight scene, where Frieren busts out the scary spells for the first time after telling us that Zoltraak is fast, efficient, powerful, the best combat spell etc etc. So why don't they use it against each other? The answer is this 2-second scene:
Let’s review what we’ve been told about Zoltraak. It’s “piercing magic that pierced through the defensive magic of humans and magic resistant equipment, and directly destroyed the body”. Zoltraak is generally good at destroying physical things.
In turn, the hexagonal shield magic—as Qual deduces—“synchronises with offensive magic and disperses the power”. But this costs lots of mana, and is weak against attacks of physical mass.
The rock-paper-scissors of modern magic is, then, Zoltraak-shield-physical mass.
Another note: it seems possible to cast both a shield and another offensive magic (maybe only Zoltraak?) at the same time, as in Frieren and Denken’s duel, and as with Methode vs golems.
Back to the Frierens.
Zoltraak is fast, efficient in mana usage, and powerful. It’s “enough for mages of the modern era”. Frieren and Fern usually spam this one spell; Copyren also uses it against Denken and co. So they would like to open with it.
Knowing that, they both bring up the hexagonal shield, ready to disperse Zoltraak. But, they both realize that Frieren’s Zoltraak cannot defeat Frieren’s hexagon shield. Edel states the two methods of getting past a shield: breaking it by force, or bypassing it with speed. Neither can get a single Zoltraak off strong enough that can shatter the corresponding shield, so they start shifting their aim, but they react just as fast to each other so there’s no openings.
Then what about multiple Zoltraaks? Presumably they could both keep the shields up while also casting Zoltraak, so they could turtle down into a battle of attrition and see who makes a minor inefficient mistake. But! Copyren is facing two mages, not one. It will definitely lose in a shield-whittling contest. Even if they had infinite mana, if they sit there playing chicken with the shields, Fern will eventually blast it from behind.
Additional hypothesis: the mana used to defend against an attack with a hexagon shield will always be greater than the mana used to make the attack. Therefore, a mage should aim to always be on the offensive. In Ehre vs Fern, Fern kept creating distance and refused to get pinned down; Ehre got pinned down and that’s why she lost. Both Frierens have a motive to use as little defensive magic and as much offensive magic as possible.
Sadly, it’s a pretty empty room, with not much physical mass to use against each other; Copyren in particular probably wants to avoid eating up the walls of Spiegel’s hideaway. So they need to cast offensive magic, that isn’t Zoltraak, and that doesn’t need existing physical mass.
Before Zoltraak leading to shield leading to mass attacks, it’s likely there wasn’t that much of a need for physical mass specifically. Edel says it takes more mana to conjure than it does to manipulate the environment. But if mass isn’t a requirement, then ye olde mages probably wouldn’t have focused on magics with the weakness of, say, needing a water source nearby (sorry Kanne). It makes sense that old-fashioned attacks were therefore magics that expressed some kind of energy without significant mass: fire, lightning, wind. (Ty @wtfoctagon for laying out this pre-Zoltraak idea!)
Simultaneously, this brings up an interesting question: what kind of defence were pre-Zoltraak (therefore pre-hexagon) mages using?
1. Some other [Defence Magic], but weaker
2. A Warrior
3. More offence!
Forget this newfangled modern mass stuff. Frieren and Copyren go right back to Cast Fireball, the force of which can be dissipated and defended against with Cast Fireball.
Not using the hexagonal shield is actually a more mana-efficient defence. If Zoltraak’s out of the question, then there’s no real need to invest in the heavy anti-Zoltraak shield. And we have already seen a previous example of offence as defence: Fern vs Lugner.
We also see one more example of this kind of old-fashioned mass-less attack in the other senior citizen brawl, where Denken uses Waldgose (tornado) + Daosdorg (fire). It eats up enough mana that even Denken is tapped out by the end. Of course, for Frieren vs Denken, she has so much more mana that there’s no problem spending it on a full-body shield. But if she did the same versus her clone, she would rapidly start losing the attrition battle. So she has to defend with a less costly though much messier method.
One more advantage of non-mass elemental magic: for Copyren, using Hellfire magic is much more of an area-of-effect spell, which might be able to touch Fern as well. For Frieren, it’s a no-brainer to go along with splashing mana everywhere, to help hide Fern’s presence.
Of course, that’s not to say that they won’t take advantage of mass when it exists. The use of Hellfire to make lava out of the falling pillar/wall is a delicious and nutritious anime original addition, and it also makes so much sense.
tl;dr: the Frierens tested and discarded the possibility of a modern-style Zoltraak fight in as much time as it takes us to say "holy shit".
all this of course brings up the question:
If Frieren so OP against Zoltraak, why can Fern use Zoltraak?
because Fern’s OP OP Zoltraak go brrrrr
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I love how much payoff there is in this end-of-season Frieren vs replica fight because up until now Frieren has been restrained in her use of offensive magic.
Like - until this point, Frieren and Fern have pretty much exclusively used Zoltraak (the most basic of modern offensive spells) when they need to fight, even when they’re facing the other first-class-examinees who are using much flashier magic. Frieren even tells Fern not to bother with other types of offensive magic, that Zoltraak is “enough to defeat mages of this era”. Frieren is only ever shown to be interested in assorted folk magic with no fighting utility: growing flowers, making tea, cleaning statues. Even her confrontation against Aura - the biggest show of her power up until now - is just about displaying how much mana she has rather than her actually using it.
Sure, logically you know Frieren is powerful, but it’s easy to get lulled into this sense that she’s just somewhat more powerful than everyone else. Even her Zoltraak casts up to this point seem to be more in the realm of slightly-stronger-than-average than anything truly mind-blowing. Hell, I can understand why Denken saw her and thought he had a chance at taking her on one on one if conditions were right.
And then. Oh my god.
Zoltraak is enough to defeat mages of this era. But Frieren is not a mage of this era.
Just like. Holy crap. The payoff of a full season emphasizing that Frieren never bothers using anything but the most basic offensive spells because nothing in the world is dangerous enough for her to need it -> her facing her replica and them both immediately launching into NIGHTMARE LIGHTNING HELL FIRE REALITY SHATTERING BLACK HOLE. Frieren herself is the only thing we've seen so far that is dangerous enough to require this kind of attack. She is terrifying. Ms Frieren I will never doubt you again.
#sousou no frieren#frieren analysis#I NEED to talk to people about this show whaaggggwhhhh chewing biting etc
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imagine my surprise when i looked up the frieren anime cast and discovered that these two share the same va in both japanese and english dub
#mobile suit gundam the witch from mercury#frieren beyond journey's end#sousou no frieren#suletta mercury#frieren fern
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I will never be okay about Himmel and Frieren. Dude had statues built of the party so that she could always remember their faces and never be alone. Dude made sure debts were paid to Frieren far into the future. He wanted a chef's recipes to be the same 100 years into the future so that she could remember them and have something to look forward to. And now everything Frieren does is influenced by what Himmel did/told her. She spent months trying to find his favorite flower so she could cast a spell to plant them at his statue. Just AAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!
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if the year's popular anime elves frieren and marcille had a duel and they just cast spells at each other normal style frieren would win easily. however if marcille pulled out highly forbidden ancient magic frieren would be like
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As far as I can tell, Frieren is done. What's the final verdict?
6/10 I would say?
Like its good at what its want to be, and I am a peaks over consistency guy. I think its the best-looking anime of the season, Frieren is a solid character with a strong dynamic with Fern+, you watch it and you care about her because its core conceit of playing with time and the attachments that transcend it is a good hook. Also Sein is a goat, should've kept him around.
It just lacks a story worthy of all that. As I mentioned before it essentially should just be an OVA, it has about ~6 episodes of plot in actuality. But its not 1991 so they stretch that out and add a ton of padding instead. They could have made it a slice of life thing where there is no plot intentionally and I think that could have really worked with its tone and lush worldbuilding? But they chose shounen battle academy arcs (worst) and demon army battles (those are okay but wear out their welcome, the demons are boring) instead.
I think I wouldn't recommend it to a non "srs anime" or genre fan. Like most people *don't* want the tradeoff of "intricate animation & layouts but weak story" right? They don't really value the first part that much. But if its your genre, if you are an anime head, hell if you wanna fuck one of the main cast or w/e, then yeah, its good enough to justify watching it if you want a fix of your go-to. Otherwise I think one would be disappointed and feel like they wasted their time.
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Frieren only teaching Fern basic offensive and defensive spells because she deems it enough to deal with modern-day mages really sells how weak those mages must be compared to the ones Frieren must have crossed path with.
I also enjoy the idea of Frieren preferring the mastery of a few basic spell to perfection rather than learning a bunch of flashy/complicated ones because it fits with her philosophy/vibe of taking things easy (but taking them nonetheless, as the meme goes): it's much easier and effective to execute a simple spell well than to risk the mana/time required to cast a more intricate spell that might not land.
There's also an element in versatility to this, since you can use basic spells to build up all kinds of strategies, a bit like building a tower. It reminds me of when Frieren taught Fern to use the defensive spells in select locations instead of casting it widely in episode 3, and fits with Frieren's resourcefulness.
Finally, it's a good way to destabilise one's opponent by making them underestimate her (after all, who would expect a first tier mage to use basic spells in battle?), much like Frieren did to bewilder Aura and other demons by suppressing her mana and appearing 'weaker'.
#sousou no frieren#frieren#sweetchcolate's nonsense of the day#anyway i'm very fond of 'experienced fighter uses what's considered old techniques to teach the newbies a lesson' trope
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its insane we're used to zoltraak the same as fern, but when it comes to frieren and serie that kind of magic is relatively new to them that its a marvel to use it. but to a human- a mage of the peaceful era, its just basic newbie magic. the fundamentals to them. just a straightforward killing laser beam yet its speed is considered the fastest to cast because of the way it got integrated into human magics and due to how simple it is to 'visualize' it. it didnt even exist just yet until qual got sealed and everyone studied it to make it fit for killing demons. that same laser beam wasnt used during the fight against the demon king.. so it makes me wonder even more about the arsenal of spells frieren has at her disposal beyond what we know to be able to defeat the demon king with the hero party. she did say that magic back then was slower, and even flying magic didnt exist until it was fern and stark's time.
if it ever gets showed in the manga how the fight with the demon king went, the one said to be able to kill frieren if its not a human mage, i hope its several manga chapters long to display the unique skills and sheer strength everyone at the hero party had. and of course, to me, how terrifying frieren can be against an opponent where she doesnt need to hold back and pushes herself far beyond her limits compared to the el dorado arc and exam arc
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So @matt0044 tagged me in a good post discussing some of the massive double standards experienced by women in media. In brief:
Men are allowed to be unlikable and even the fucking worst and will get mountains of meta about their emotional complexity and goodness.
In contrast, a woman cant so much as turn down a man she's not interested in, or be negatively impacted by trauma without being demonized.
Unsurprisingly a lot of this plays into RWDE's "Critique" of RWBY. IE, how they'll ignore Qrow and Jaune outright assaulting Oscar, but insist Yang attacked him because she was angry at Ozpin.
It also made me think of a recent 'complaint' regarding the excellent Sousou No Frieren. After the introduction of third main character Stark, someone said:
"To bad the author forgets about him after this."
Which flabbergasted me, as I knew the very next episode/chapter were were gonna get more of his backstory, motives ad emotional depth. I also knew of upcoming battles where he's every bit as much of a major character as fellow MC Fern. Let alone more stuff to come regarding backstory and old foes ETC.
But then it hit me.
Stark isn't somehow getting less attention than the women in the cast, he's getting the same amount. But to this person, this was him being forgotten about and maligned, because he was on the same playing field focus wise as women.
Which is rather akin to how most men perceive women as talking too much or over them if they speak the same amount.
Which also ties back into RWBY and how a lot of RWDE flip out about a female centric show... Focusing on women, and not their favorite male projection character who wasn't even advertised as an MC.
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