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I generally agree with you! Especially about the self-hatred. And the fact that without Lily's death, it's very likely he wouldn’t have reconsidered his views at all!
I’ll just add that moral growth often happens through difficult moments. Sometimes you need to hit rock bottom before you can rise to something better. There’s more effort in that than just being "naturally good person."
I don't know why he gave his memories to harry. Did he wanted to be redeemed by lily's son.
Yes, I think that was his confession.
I sometimes find it hard to believe that there are still people who can't see that Snape really deeply regretted his views and his bullying of children had nothing to do with blood purity
“Headmaster! They are camping in the Forest of Dean! The Mudblood — ”
“Do not use that word!”
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Remus’s case, it's not because he feels the need to save other people, but because he doesn’t think his own life is worth more than someone else’s, it's about the fact that he feels he’s worth less than everyone, it’s his inferiority complex.
I'm curious, where in the canon did Remus ever truly save others instead of just himself? (And I love Remus, but there are objective facts)
Did he protect Snape? No. Did he tell Dumbledore the truth? Again, no. Did he run away from his pregnant wife to save the world? Spot on! Remus is certainly a fighter and ready to sacrifice himself in battle (like many others), but whatever he might think inside, the opinions of others about him and the desire to belong to a group often seem more important to him than the lives and well-being of other people. Canon Remus would have done well in Slytherin. James would never fit into Slytherin.
"And being people pleasers."
James isn’t like that. Remus, to some extent, is.
James with a savior complex (not saying he’s a golden retriever sun boy
Canon James?? It’s the fanon version of him.
James most likely went around bullying slytherins to amuse Sirius
I don’t think he did it to amuse Sirius. Kinda pathetic.
Remus was willing to murder someone because Sirius was insisting on it (yeah he wanted to listen to him first, sure, but he was still down for murder).
That's not why Remus was ready to kill. It doesn't matter that Sirius insisted. He was ready to kill because both Sirius and Remus are from a different generation and they think in terms of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." And that was the right decision on their part, quite a moral act.
But Remus has very flexible morals. Knowing that Sirius is a murderer and is on the loose, he hid important information from Dumbledore so that Dumbledore wouldn’t think badly of him... That's just so Remus.
The rest also sound like it's about fanon Remus… Sorry if you were writing about fanon Remus! If so, I shouldn't have written it all, but since I did, let it be for my blog
Tell me more about James and Remus!!!
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I think people don't really talk about them being similar people because they appear to be completely different if we’re talking about more superficial things, such as one is an obvious extrovert + very outgoing and charismatic and the other is an obvious introvert + shy, one thrives when he has all the eyes on him and the other has social anxiety and would rather stay away from the spotlight, one is a jock and the other is a nerd, one is confident as balls - this is what happens when you grow up having a loving family ig - and the other has incredibly low self esteem, and so on.
But they have some key things that are either the same or two sides of the same coin, such as:
1) Savior x Martyr: This is the main one, both James and Remus would put other people in front of them, but for slightly different reasons. James with a savior complex (not saying he’s a golden retriever sun boy) and Remus with a martyr complex. Practically speaking, both would sacrifice themselves to save somebody else; and it doesn't need to be somebody they love or even know - that would be the case for Sirius, for example, he would sacrifice everything on the planet for the few people he loved -, for both James and Remus, the sacrifice would be done for anybody bc people dont truly deserve to suffer - like when James would bully Snape to make Sirius laugh but he didnt think twice about saving snape on The Prank. In James’s case tho, its because he feels the need to save other people, it's like a duty type of thing, he's not thinking about his own worth, but about the right thing to do; in Remus’s case, it's not because he feels the need to save other people, but because he doesn’t think his own life is worth more than someone else’s, it's about the fact that he feels he’s worth less than everyone, it’s his inferiority complex. In the end, it doesn't matter, because those two things are like two sides of the same coin, and the final result is the same.
2) The whole “not opening up to other people and pretending everything is fine”, and being people pleasers: every person on the planet has things they struggle and need help with, and i think James and Remus would approach this in the same way, which is “I am struggling but i will keep this to myself and not let anyone see I need help or that anything is wrong” (this doesn't really apply to Sirius, because he is a hyper independent person but he also can't hide his emotions to save his life, if he's upset, you’ll know about it). Maybe this happens for different reasons tho, I’ve seen people saying James does this because people around him have it worse than he does, and I partially agree with it, but i think that it’s the same thing for Remus, he also thinks people around him have it worse than he does, it’s just that on top of that he’s also terrified of being seen (this is something he has in common with Sirius). Plus, this idea that other people have it harder than you, so you should shut up is bullshit no matter what lol because one person’s suffering does not invalidate someone else’s, so both of them hiding their negative feelings and being pent up on dealing with them alone is the same bullshit with a different flavor.
3) They both have a very set morals, but this becomes really flexible when it comes to people they love, like Sirius Black and Harry Potter: this is relevant considering that James most likely went around bullying slytherins to amuse Sirius and Remus was willing to murder someone because Sirius was insisting on it (yeah he wanted to listen to him first, sure, but he was still down for murder). Or when Remus found Snape reprimanding Harry when Harry was indeed doing bullshit, and he immediately took Harry’s side and went with the lies.
4) Mischievous (i think this is obvious?) and with a disregard for rules: Remus wasn't dragged into pulling pranks with them, he was FRIENDS with them, like for real, and he participated in creating the Marauder's Map, with his name right there on top. And James wasn't an idiot prankster, he was a genius. Point is, both contributed to pulling pranks constantly and laughing at people about it, it wasnt just Sirius and James wanting to fuck around, and it wasnt just Remus using his big boy brain to carry out the logistics of the pranks. They ALL liked to fuck around and they were all smart af about it (if anything, Peter was the only one who wasnt, considering also whats said about him in Harry Potter - the one always going after them)
5) Good boy appearance: one became a headboy and the other one became a prefect. They were smart little shits who went around pulling pranks with their rebel black sheep best friend and yet, they managed to become the ‘authority figure’ below the teachers at hogwarts. They were seen as good boys, respectful of adults, good students, even tho they were little shits
And tbh theres probably a lot more to it but this is just off the top of my head
It’s just how they feel about people and life and how they process things is VERY similar and that’s a big deal
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Then why did Snape give all his memories to Harry? He was only supposed to give information about Harry. Why did he give those memories where he's shown in a clearly bad light?
Snape's quite a complex character, and his motives aren't just about him being evil and wanting to kill the man who killed his loved one.
Besides, he always carries some of the blame for her death. Part of the responsibility for her death lies with him
I sometimes find it hard to believe that there are still people who can't see that Snape really deeply regretted his views and his bullying of children had nothing to do with blood purity
“Headmaster! They are camping in the Forest of Dean! The Mudblood — ”
“Do not use that word!”
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I sometimes find it hard to believe that there are still people who can't see that Snape really deeply regretted his views and his bullying of children had nothing to do with blood purity
“Headmaster! They are camping in the Forest of Dean! The Mudblood — ”
“Do not use that word!”
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"And it’s funny that outside of family relationships, these two people are only two people Sirius got truly close to "
It doesn't really seem to me that James and Remus were Sirius's closest people. James, yes, but not Remus.
It seems like Peter was actually closer to them all during the war than Remus. Lily doesn't mention Remus in her letter, in the Order of the Phoenix photo he stands apart from everyone else, Sirius didn’t trust him, etc etc
There's no evidence to suggest that Remus was close to Sirius emotionally, beyond just being part of their childhood friendship as Marauders—which started to fall apart during the war. It seems Peter was closer, as much as I dislike this character, but that's the way it is. Not exactly close, but closer. And Remus was even more emotionally distanced from Sirius. But he was a little closer to James.
I’m talking about Sirius's emotional openness. I think Sirius opened up to Peter a bit more than he did to Remus.
Although Sirius respected Remus more than Peter. I mean he truly respected him. That's one of the reasons he suspected him. But Peter… You know that feeling when someone seems pathetic to you and you can’t respect them, but because of this, you start to feel a bit of pity? Especially if the person hasn’t done anything bad to you and tries to befriend you. Peter was so nice to all of them 🤌🏻😘 So I can quite see how Sirius might have worried about Peter or cared for him to some extent.
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Yes, Remus and James are extremely similar. They both have arms, legs, a liver, and even a brain.
Not only we don’t talk enough about Remus’s and James’s friendship we also don’t talk enough about how similar they actually are lmao like yea they come out as very different but they are EXTREMELY similar actually
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Can I ask if your British or not?
You definitely can
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By "illegal" I meant not regulated by law. I really don't think they paid any attention to brothels, let alone had ethical debates about them. Knockturn Alley seems to be unregulated as well. I like to think that some things are slightly but very poorly regulated (like the trade of drugs, for example: it's supposed to be illegal, but no one really knows what's prohibited and how). For the most part, it appears that the Aurors are turning a blind eye to drug production. Similarly, the brothel has its own protection, even though it's not legally regulated because it's ignored. You've got to have some protection, after all! Otherwise, your brothel wouldn't stay yours for long. But yes, they tend to ignore brothels, sometimes finding reasons to stir up their nest if they dislike something.
This is just how I see it. There are many ways to look at it.
I am sure that polyjuice gets used to sex purposes in wizarding world and also think about the insane ethical debates it would create, sex workers coming forward with stories of customers who wanted them to turn into their daughters 💀
Yeah, I wrote that in my Alphard and Tom fanfic. I'm sure that customers brought hair from their relatives or from those who rejected them, or even from those with whom it would be illegal to have sex (minors under the age of consent), etc. Not everyone was like that, but sometimes (I think quite rarely!) such wizards certainly were!
Although I'm not sure there would be any ethical debates there. Brothels are probably illegal in general. It's a neglected area just like Knockturn Alley.
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Classes in the Wizarding World. Why don't wizards have an "upper class" linked to wealth? And where do the wealth of the Malfoys and the Blacks come from, and how could wizards become rich?
Alright, this will be controversial, as there seems to be a widely accepted HC that wizards have exactly the same class divisions as Muggles, and I see a lot of metas where poor wizards are referred to as the "working class." I respect all opinions, but I want to express mine :) I disagree with this because the Wizarding world does not imply a replication of the Muggle social structure. The main argument about why there are no classes tied to wealth is that purebloods don’t have any exclusive access to means of production. The wizarding world isn’t like the muggle world, and their class structures are different. Magic fundamentally changes the entire structure of society.
In the muggle world, classes were primarily divided based on their access to wealth, economic resources, and means of production. If one part of society monopolises all the land, then you have classes of landlords and peasants. If one part of society owns factories and plants, holds stocks and capital, while another works at these factories, you have classes of capitalists and proletarians. Wizards don't have such classes. Strictly speaking, if we divide wizards into wealth-based "upper" and "lower" classes, we need to show where exactly the upper class has or ever had exclusive access to means of production that gave them the "privilege" to be called the "upper class". This is impossible to show because it doesn’t exist in the Wizarding world.
However, they do have a clear different way of dividing society.
But let's take it step by step.
In its time, the muggle upper class of the feudal society was too tied to "land" and the idea of land, which evolved into snobbery towards commerce and business because commerce allowed wealth beyond the nobility. This upper class felt their exceptional privilege. Their position was given to them at birth. But the emerging middle class... They were simply "mercantile" merchants. Many held beliefs in the superiority of feudal values and considered trade and business less honourable pursuits. Some nobles could also manage various enterprises related to agriculture, including mills, wineries, and sawmills. (Pure-blood wizards look much the same, but they don't have titles or lands, they have their blood. Your wealth doesn't matter if you're a pure-blood wizard. Take a look at the Black family tree. It's clear that not all of them were wealthy. I'm sure that many of these wizards had quite modest means. The Malfoys were an exception, but more on that later.)
When the English Revolution occurred, followed by the Industrial Revolution, and capitalists began to get very rich, while nobles unexpectedly started getting poorer, there was even stronger prejudice against "flaunting money," as it became associated with the newly wealthy lower class. Because true upper-class status isn't just about gold, and a capitalist will never have what they do – their family names and status given by God himself. Yes, among the nobles, there could also be entrepreneurs engaged in trade or investing in various projects, mining development, but the trend still leaned towards the impoverishment of aristocrats.
The Industrial Revolution happened after the imposition of the Statute, but the English Revolution came before. Obviously, wizards didn't have an industrial revolution. It's unclear how their production worked at all. Much of their production relied simply on craft workers. There are businesses like potion-making, Sleekeazy's Hair Potion production, broomstick manufacturing, although these "businesses" might look more like artisanal enterprises. Additionally, there's definitely a black market, but it's quite small. And let's not forget, in the world of Harry Potter, there's "slave labor."
Moreover, their main means of production is magic. And everyone has magic. Their production primarily requires knowledge and skills and doesn't require any significant physical infrastructure. Meanwhile, Hogwarts is free and accessible to all by birthright. Yes, access to raw materials may be limited, and these materials may indeed be owned by wealthy families, but for the most part, we don't see resources that are impossible to obtain independently. Another point is that students don't invent anything themselves over the seven years... Where's the theory of magic?! How to create spells?! Perhaps this needs to be self-taught.
Well, it's entirely obvious that they don't have peasants either, so there's no exclusive access to wealth for pure-bloods based on the feudal system either.
So, no classes based on wealth can exist for them simply because pure-bloods don't have any exclusive access to resources or means of production. A wizard born pureblood doesn't get anything at all for their blood, except connections.
Essentially, connections and blood itself are their exclusive resources, which they try to increase. Pure-bloods find it easier to get the right jobs, to get a job at the Ministry, and so on. Also Muggle-borns who became a part of the WW, presumably, could encounter difficulties getting hired or be paid less. But they could always start their own craft production of something. They had the main means of production – magic. But they lacked connections and social capital. Over time in the Wizarding World, Muggle-borns or half-bloods, judging from canon, could also get a job at the Ministry and even become Minister of Magic. Moreover, they created their own small craft-based enterprises or worked for other craftsmen and traders.
The Malfoys are likely those from former "Muggle aristocrats" who always kept a finger on the pulse and were well-connected in the Muggle world. They quickly figured out how to make even more money rather than just relying on income from land, although they also expanded their lands (they have managed to add to their lands in Wiltshire by annexing those of neighbouring Muggles). We know they keep a Rolls-Royce in their garage and have a collection of Muggle art (the favour they curried with royalty added Muggle treasures and works of art to an ever-expanding collection). It's not surprising if they invested in some muggle businesses. Essentially, the Malfoys are blood traitors, considering they had half-bloods in the family, but the family is too cunning and clever, so they maintain their position over the centuries. The Malfoys have always had a reputation as a slippery family, striving for power and wealth wherever they are.
The result is that they are one of the richest wizarding families in Britain, and it has been rumoured for many years (though never proven) that over the centuries the family has dabbled successfully in Muggle currency and assets.
Some other families were probably also Muggle aristocrats before the imposition of the Statute and owned some lands, but even if they still had these lands after the Statute was imposed, what good are these lands without peasants? Land doesn't monetise itself. The Statute assumes complete disappearance from the Muggle world, meaning these lands became invisible to Muggles and were either used for wizards and their internal agriculture or simply remained dead weight, as there is no demand for land in the WW as a resource. Considering magical means of production, cultivating land was very simple and efficient, so there were never any problems with food in the Wizarding world. And they didn't even need much land to provide all wizards with the agricultural products they needed. Additionally, house-elves could work on it. Furthermore, over time, many wizards owned their own gardens in different parts of the country and could grow food for themselves (for example, the Weasleys actually have their own farm, and Hogwarts definitely has pumpkins and poultry).
Moreover, strictly according to canon, food can be duplicated... Perhaps it's incredibly complex magic, so ordinary wizards can’t do it, but there are special wizard craftsmen who trade in duplicated food. Perhaps this food isn't as tasty.
Also, I headcanon that not all families agreed to hide precisely because they didn't want to lose their statuses and potential wealth.
The Malfoys also resisted to the imposition of the Statute, although they later denied it.
Historically, the Malfoys drew a sharp distinction between poor Muggles and those with wealth and authority. Until the imposition of the Statute of Secrecy in 1692, the Malfoy family was active within high-born Muggle circles, and it is said that their fervent opposition to the imposition of the Statute was due, in part, to the fact that they would have to withdraw from this enjoyable sphere of social life.
Likely, families like the Blacks and the Lestranges originally supported the imposition of the Statute.
Overall, the Malfoys' wealth was colossal; obviously, they were and remain the wealthiest in the WW. Perhaps the wealth of the Blacks and the Lestranges also persisted from the time when they were Muggle aristocrats. The Malfoys invested in the Muggle sector of the economy. The Blacks and the Lestranges might have invested their money in building Diagon Alley or income properties in Hogsmeade, or they could have been involved in the gray and black markets of the Wizarding World. They could also own magical mines, but it's unknown if this was allowed in the Wizarding world. Other families might have started some small businesses–broomsticks, wand production, potions, cauldrons, and so on. The Potters invented a potion and sold it and became "very rich." Well, suppose they exported their potion to other countries because they couldn't become "very rich" on the domestic market alone. The market is tiny. Or their "very great wealth" is greatly exaggerated.
We know that some pure-blood families pass down their trades from generation to generation, but that doesn't make them really wealthy. Still, they're considered noble. And the Gaunts are "noble" but very poor. Nobility can't be earned, but it can be lost quickly – like becoming a blood traitor. Take the Weasleys, for instance, who were considered noble even in the 1900s.
Families like the Umbridge have no connection to "nobility," but they really want it. They're desperate to belong: "I am related to the Selwyns... Indeed, there are few pure-blood families to whom I am not related. A pity... that the same cannot be said for you. 'Parents profession: greengrocers.'"
In a mockingly imitation of a Black: 'Typical half-blood. She doesn’t even understand our society!'
When a true Slytherin heir appears, even the Malfoys are willing to tone down their arrogance. The first Death Eaters followed Tom for this reason–he's the heir of Slytherin. It's a very high status among their society.
But the Malfoys' arrogance about money is probably because they had many connections with the Muggle world, the Muggle economy, and their personal views on money. They also continued to adopt the ways of Muggle capitalist society.
Sure, wizards wanted to get rich, but the wealth of individual families like the Lestranges, Blacks, and Malfoys wasn't class-based for the wizarding society. Firstly, a class of three families can't exist, and they don't have anything specifically exclusive that would set these three families apart in their access to wealth. What they possibly retained from pre-Statute life can't be the basis for forming a new class in the wizarding society. It just doesn't work like that.
Moreover, it seems that significant wealth could only be attained through innovations, as they also didn't have an internal investment market, financial instruments were absent, and Gringotts simply stored their gold. Okay, gold itself increased in value, but they constantly withdrew money for their living expenses, so capital must have been leaking out too. I suppose many families that were wealthy before the Statute quickly spent their large fortunes if they didn't adapt to the new conditions.
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I am sure that polyjuice gets used to sex purposes in wizarding world and also think about the insane ethical debates it would create, sex workers coming forward with stories of customers who wanted them to turn into their daughters 💀
Yeah, I wrote that in my Alphard and Tom fanfic. I'm sure that customers brought hair from their relatives or from those who rejected them, or even from those with whom it would be illegal to have sex (minors under the age of consent), etc. Not everyone was like that, but sometimes (I think quite rarely!) such wizards certainly were!
Although I'm not sure there would be any ethical debates there. Brothels are probably illegal in general. It's a neglected area just like Knockturn Alley.
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I can't believe that Polyjuice potion aren't used by wizards just to have sex in another body.
Teenagers would definitely experiment. It's fun. You live your whole life with a vagina, and then someone sucks your dick, and you're like wow, cool. And now you have several times more options for pleasure. Like mm I love this and that but only in a man's body, and this I love in a woman's body, and this I love in a VAMPIRE'S body!!!.... DAMN. Where's my letter from Hogwarts?!!
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need my dick sucked so bad but i have this stupid ass vagina
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nothing fills me with rage more than seeing a post JUST about james and sirius and then every reblog says something like “remus and regulus would get sooo annoyed at them lol”
like i genuinely like both remus and reg but why do we have to make every single prongsfoot post (platonic or not) about them. what is with this fandom and the inability to separate perceived relationships like please there are two individuals in a ship and they do not have to be constantly associated and brought up together !!
#prev tags#also..... no they would not#or idk about regulus but remus adores them#>>> regulus adores them secretly#just imagine#regulus sitting alone at the window watching James and Sirius snuggled up on the grass under the birch tree
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the fact that hannibal is explicitly religious is so delicious
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But Daddy I Love Him will never be Sirius’s song, because when has Sirius ever tried to reason with his family about something he wants??? He does not care!!!!! No, that is Regulus Black trying to defend his Voldemort collages and joining a cult instead of taking up a safe boring ministry position
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hi can u make a meta on how u perceive wolfstar?
Hello! I tried to write about them here. If you have specific questions, that would be easier for me than describing their relationship entirely. Wolfstar is fckng difficult.
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