I say "oh don't worry he doesn't bite" and you're confused because you don't see any dog but then you notice a single inchworm moving purposefully across the floor towards you at an alarming pace
adulthood is just a constant struggle of, “man, i want cookies for breakfast, but I also recognize this is a bad nutritional decision. On the other hand, the only one who can stop me is me. i know that fucker’s weaknesses. i could totally take me in a fight.”
May Castellan, at some point, probably: Waiting... Luke when you come home, I'll be waiting... Even if you are the last thing I see, I'll be waiting...
(//source: 'Epic: The Musical', song: 'Underworld' by Jorge Rivera-Herrans//)
i have seen a lot of differing takes on 2012 splinter and the turtles' family dynamic as a whole, so obviously i feel the need to add something of mine
well, i feel like both of these topics are often either misunderstood or pushed to extremes. namely
2012 splinter is portrayed as either abusive or just a sunshine-and-roses good parent, of which, imo, he is neither. in fact, after my newest rewatch, i believe him to be a flawed man(rat), who cares about his children but still makes many, many mistakes raising them and does stuff like overly criticize them for non-existent faults or project his own issues onto them or punish them for acting their age without explaining his reasoning
all that makes it impossible for me to view him as anything other than a deeply flawed individual (rat) that tries his best, failure to succeed notwithstanding
i also saw a few post talking about how the 2012 family is over-hated due to them being very asian-household coded and the cultural differences going unaccounted for while analyzing them
to that, i can only say that, well, that cultural context is important to remember and to consider, but so are the long-lasting impacts of this type of behavior
an asian household isn't necessarily more abusive than any other race, but what makes it so is the impact it leaves. ergo, if the child is traumatized because of their home life, it can be surmised that said home lide is traumatic
and i know, potato-potato, but that's a distinction i think is worth making.
in the end, 2012 splinter did: tell his teenage son to sacrifice himself and possibly die for the family; fail to provide any of his children with anything remotely resembling a coping mechanism; not try to support his children emotionally (tough for asian parents, i know, but come on, child soldiers!).
his heart was in a relatively right place tho, and i wish to remember that.
ps. also most of mikey's and raph's and leo's problems with their brainworks and all that jazz could also be attributed to splinter, but then we'd have to really think about whether this man had or has any sort of mental health knowledge or if he even knows it exists, cause he for sure doesn't know how to treat ptsd (his own or others). that, again, doesn't make him abusive, just a flawed parental figure.
TL;DR: terry jr is black. that is something that should not be erased. regardless of your access to or willingness to search for the canon material that confirms this, you should not be depicting him as white. whitewashing terry by refusing to think of him as black creates an unsafe space for our black community members, and you should re-examine your personal biases if you choose to insist on continuing to see terry as white.
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terry jr is black. point-blank. and if terry jr is canonically black, then he should be depicted as such.
i will concede that it is something that you might not spot if you listen through the podcast casually. it's something that i didn't know was actually official in any capacity until recently. and i would like to note that i do not have and have never had access to the dndads patreon. i have not listened to any of the teen talks in full (even the ones released to the public. it's just not my jam.), and any information or spitballing contained within is something that i have either been told second-hand or am completely unaware of. i also didn't look at the official poster (the "everything is alright" poster) that depicted both terry jr and samantha as black.
but the fact of the matter remains that terry jr and samantha are black and have been acknowledged as such within the source material.
once again, i myself didn't seek this information out enough to know it was official canon. so then why have i always depicted them as black anyway?
well when i started engaging with the fandom, i saw what was being presented to me in the fandom was overwhelmingly that terry was indeed black or at least popularly interpreted to be black. and my first and only thought was that that was nice. so i decided to roll with it.
if i really wanted to check if that was canon and it being canon was important to me, i could always have asked around. i could've sought out information from official sources. because if they were black and i just missed it in some way, i would've wanted to check myself. especially because doing so would lead to whitewashing.
but i didn't feel the need to do that because i think that just the added racial diversity was really cool to see on its own.
for argument's sake, there is still the possibility that you'd think it is simply just popular fanon. let's say you chose to not check for yourself whether or not he was canonically black. or let's say that, for whatever reason, you think that what is available isn't enough to sufficiently deem him canonically black. so let's discuss why terry should still be depicted as black even if it was "just" fanon and there were no official artworks to go off of.
i am not of the opinion that fanon in general should be taken as gospel. in fact, there are quite a few things within dndads fanon itself that i personally disagree with and choose not to engage with. the reason why this interpretation in particular is a sore spot is the question of why, after seeing the popular portrayal and recognizing the ability to create racial diversity in a space where a good amount of appearances and identities can be up for interpretation, someone would still choose to depict him as white.
why do you choose to depict him as white? do you have any personal biases that make you think that he would or should be white? do you think that it is unimportant or inconsequential to not depict him as a person of color?
what would be so compelling about making him white that you would choose to go against this interpretation? why is it so important that you continue to see him as white?
who are you ignoring in the process?
i do not think it is deliberately malicious to initially think that terry jr is white. it is the unfortunate truth that white tends to be considered the default. but it begins to rub me the wrong way when anyone chooses to stick with that idea when presented with any evidence or argument to the contrary.
though i will admit that i am not black, i am still a person of color. and i think that creating a fandom space where we can highlight, create, and celebrate racial variety means creating a space where people of color feel safer. and because i would like to uplift the black fandom member who tried to voice their own personal take on this matter, i would like to link back to [this post from vivalapersistence] as the reason why i felt compelled to talk about this in the first place.
i don't want to talk over him, but i want to point out his statement that having this kind of solid representation is important and means something to him as a black person in this community. erasing terry as black means that you would be, intentionally or not, erasing and silencing black voices. it takes away that element of representation within the fandom and does real harm to the black people within when you decide that that representation isn't important. there are real racial connotations to the argument here, and it's frankly a little callous to pretend like there's not.
so maybe let's be nice to the BIPOC in our community spaces, okay?
and i want to make it clear right now. if you want to discuss what i say here, you can discuss this with me.
Am I the only one that immediately thought of the song king when the prophet said to odyssey
“I see your palace covered in red Faces of men who had long believed you're dead I see your wife with a man who is haunting A man with a trail of bodies”
And then got chills when he said WHO!?
Tiresias : I see your palace covered in red Faces of men who had long believed you're dead I see your wife with a man who is haunting A man with a trail of bodies
i think the reason 2012 donnie is Like That about april is simply because he was not allowed to interact with anyone other than his brothers and father for fifteen years.
I have recently been getting back into TMNT lately and whilst I haven’t caught up with all of the iterations yet, one consistency that I have noticed that keeps fucking me up is that every storyline that depicts the future for the brothers - Donnie always dies.
The Last Ronin comics are a given, considering it’s focused on Mikey’s grief with the death of his whole family - not just Donnie. But this consistency also exists in both RotTMNT and the 2003 iteration.
RotTMNT’s film depicts only Leo and Mikey as the only surviving members of the original family unit - not long before they both pass as well.
Whilst I am not familiar with the 2003 series (plus I don’t want to spoil myself too much), I understand that while Donnie didn’t died in “Same as it Never Was” - the people around still grieve his absence. Him being sent to the future directly caused not only the events of that episode to take place, but the erasure of a future Donnie to begin with; thus leading his brother to believe he died (again, that’s what I am pretty sure is going on).
The only exception to this rule was the 2012 series, and even that is loosely stated. Donnie is the only one to die due to the mutagen bomb. The only reason he was able to survive was due to his mind being connected to Metalhead and even then, he is still technically dead. The Donnie that we watched throughout the series and Donbot are not the same people. Donbot is just Metalhead with a dead teenager’s consciousness uploaded into it.
His survival was due to a lucky alignment of circumstances and despite it, he doesn’t even get to live.