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caeslxys · 2 hours
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everyday imogen temult wakes up anyway.
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caeslxys · 22 hours
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Little father son bonding with imogen and pate
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caeslxys · 3 days
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imogen temult the lesbian that you are...
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caeslxys · 4 days
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"why hasn't delilah taken over laudna at any point in the last thirty years if a new body or placeholder is her end goal" do you think THE delilah briarwood would settle for being TITLESS. didn't think so. next question
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caeslxys · 5 days
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Happy lesbian visibility week to imogen temult specifically
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caeslxys · 5 days
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judicators exaltants
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oh the hunted wants to become the hunter soooo bad.
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caeslxys · 9 days
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It's so interesting that Ashton identified with Liliana almost as much in his speech as Laudna did in hers. They're furious with her, of course, and terrified of how she could fuck things up for all of them. How she could hurt Imogen the same way she already has, the same way his parents hurt him.
And yet they don't pose themself or the Hells as the main threat to her, but Liliana's own actions. He knows self-delusion when he sees it; after all, its only been a scant few days since he saw it in itself. Obviously Liliana is in way deeper than Ashton ever was, and the scale of the damage and pain she's caused and could still cause is exponentially larger. But Ashton knows what it's like to feel that angry at the world, that downtrodden, that desperate for meaning and belonging. He knows the things you can trick yourself into believing, the little lies that get bigger and bigger, until it becomes almost easy fo convince yourself that you've found the perfect fix, the answer to all your problems. Ashton found the shard of Raushan. Liliana found Ludinus.
Ashton doesn't threaten Liliana directly because, as they say, they suspect she and them have the same fear; not their own death, but the ones they love coming to harm. Liliana has repeatedly insisted that everything she's done has been to protect Imogen, and Ashton believes her, and knows that's not enough. In his own way Ashton is giving Liliana advice: think very fucking carefully about what you're doing here, and then think it through again. And when it inevitably blows up in your face, try not to do it with the ones you love in the blast radius.
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caeslxys · 9 days
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"i hug her." the temult women are breaking my heart
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caeslxys · 9 days
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Me and my friends are going are going on a mission that is important and could change a lot of stuff, and I feel like something bad is gonna happen. There's doom on the horizon. But I still think it's right that we're going. (for @overnighttosunflowers)
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caeslxys · 9 days
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— You're my tether, Laudna. Sometimes I feel like I'm about to float away, but as long as you're there... — You quite literally pulled me from darkness and death. That tether goes beyond this realm and this life.
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caeslxys · 9 days
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caeslxys · 9 days
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I’ve mentioned this elsewhere but it feels relevant again in light of the most recent episode. Something that’s really fascinating to me about Orym’s grief in comparison to the rest of the hells’ grief is that his is the youngest/most fresh and because of that tends to be the most volatile when it is triggered (aside from FCG, who was two and obviously The Most volatile when triggered.)
As in: prior to the attack on Zephrah, Orym was leading a normal, happy, casual life! with family who loved him and still do! Grief was something that was inflicted upon him via Ludinus’ machinations, whereas with characters like Imogen or Ashton, grief has been the background tapestry of their entire lives. And I think that shows in how the rest of them are largely able to, if not see past completely (Imogen/Laudna/Chetney) then at least temper/direct their vitriol or grief (Ashton/Fearne/Chetney again) to where it is most effective. (There is a glaring reason, for example, that Imogen scolded Orym for the way he reacted to Liliana and not Ashton. Because Ashton’s anger was directed in a way that was ultimately protective of Imogen—most effective—and Orym’s was founded solely in his personal grief.)
He wants Imogen to have her mom and he wants Lilliana to be salvageable for Imogen because he loves Imogen. But his love for the people in his present actively and consistently tend to conflict with the love he has for the people in his past. They are in a constant battle and Orym—he cannot fathom losing either of them.
(Or, to that point, recognize that allowing empathy to take root in him for the enemy isn't losing one of them.)
It is deeply poignant, then, that Orym’s grief is symbolized by both a sword and shield. It is something he wields as a blade when he feels his philosophy being threatened by certain conversational threads (as he believes it is one of the only things he has left of Will and Derrig, and is therefore desperately clinging onto with both bloody hands even if it makes him, occasionally, a hypocrite), but also something he can use in defense of the people he presently loves—if that provocative, blade-grief side of him does not push them—or himself—away first.
(it won’t—he is as loved by the hells as he loves them. he just needs to—as laudna so beautifully said—say and hear it more often.)
#critical role#cr spoilers#bells hells#orym of the air ashari#cr meta#imogen temult#ashton greymoore#liliana temult#this is genuinely completely written in good faith as someone who loves orym#but is also about orym and so will inevitably end up being completely misconstrued and made into discourse. alas#I could talk about how Orym’s unwillingness to allow the hells to actually finish/come to a solid conclusion on Philosophy Talk#is directly connected to one of the largest criticisms of c3 (that they are constantly having these conversations)#all day. alas. engaging with orym’s flaws tends to make people upset#it is ESP prevelant when he walks off after exclaiming ‘they (vangaurd) are NOT right’#which was not only never said but wasn’t even what they were talking about#he even admits as much to imogen like ten minutes later! that he is incapable of viewing it objectively#which is 100% justifiable and understandable but simultaneously does not make his grief alone the most important perspective in the world#also bc i fear ppl will play semantics on my tags yes the line ‘i hope she’s right’ was said but it was from ASHTON#who does not believe they are at all and wasn’t saying they actively WERE right. orym just heard something to latch onto and ran with it#ultimately there is a reason orym only admitted that he was struggling when he had stepped away to talk to dorian#who has not been around and thusly has not changed once n orym's eyes#and it isn't that the hells never check in or care. they do. they have several times over#it is dishonest to say they haven't#the actual reason is that all of this is something He Is Aware Of. he doesn't mention it bc he KNOWS it's hypocritical and selfish#he says as much!#EXHALES. @ MY OWN BRAIN CAN WE THINK ABT MOG AGAIN. FYRA RAI EVEN. FOR ME.#posting this literally at 8 in the morning so I can get my thoughts out of my brain but also attempt to immediately make this post invisibl
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caeslxys · 10 days
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I 100% agree that the vanguard is bad, and that their reasons don't justify any of their means (including, of course, the suffering of exandrian citizens)—I say (or, imply, maybe) as much in the og post.
Where I disagree is that these people are unsalvageable due to either danger or time. In fact, I think that's exactly what the same organizations and societal leaders that ostracized these people (ultimately creating the environment where they would find themselves able to be manipulated so deeply) to begin with would want people to think.
Something people pretty consistently look over when it comes to the vanguard removing the gods (which, to be abundantly clear, is obviously not a good thing) is that they genuinely believe (read: have been convinced) that that will not happen.
They don't think they're depriving people of clerics or paladins and their abilities. Obviously we, the audience, know that's wrong. And it's incredibly easy to brush it off as these people being stupid but I feel that's a massive, massive misunderstanding of just how effective and intentional cult manipulation is (further clarification: this part is not in direct reply to you, rather than an observation of fandom on the whole. again, we largely agree!).
Frankly I think Liliana is already the ultimate example of this. If she, who has been here for 25+ years, can be even slightly swayed (and she has been, after a grand total of three conversations with her daughter, nonetheless) then I don't think it's a stretch to say the recently joined 16 year old can be saved.
(the imperium/weavemind is an entirely different beast to tackle. I didn't mention them bc I consider both them and, honestly, ludinus to be separate entities than 99% of the vanguard)
Zephrah actively postpones ruidusborn births. It is believed that the actual number of ruidusborn in exandrian history is much larger than has been officially recorded because the stigma of it was so intense that people lied about it. Alyxian, one of the few recorded ruidusborn heroes of the calamity who received direct blessings from three different prime deities (our very own Changebringer, the Archheart, and the Moonweaver) , has been all but forgotten (read: likely erased) by history.
The Archive of knowledge that revealed the truth of Predathos and Ruidus was never some forgotten thing—it was intentionally hidden by the elites in Vasselheim. And we have no idea how long they have been operating with that knowledge. We have no idea what they have been doing with that knowledge, what silent wars have been waging for years or decades or centuries. But we saw what they were willing to do, in Hearthdell. We saw the violence and suppression they were willing to commit. We saw the pettiness of the exandrian pantheon in the Dawnfather’s response to Deanna’s: “Are you worth saving?”. In the Changebringer’s manipulative change of course in her pleas to FCG. In the Wildmother’s rejection of Opal. In the knowledge we have that Imogen spent so much of her miserable time in Gelvaan begging the gods to aid her to no avail—just for Kord to reach out only to demand that she not let them down.
Liliana’s point that Vasselheim and the other faithful elite of the world will hunt ruidusborn down to negate even the potential of this happening again isn’t new, it isn’t something this solstice and the machinations surrounding it caused, and it isn’t some unsubstantiated, fearful claim—it is has been happening.
The vanguard—and Liliana—are unequivocally wrong in their means. But can you really fault them in their desire? Can you really fault the conclusions they have drawn from the experiences they have lived? If you spend your entire life being rejected by the people and the pantheon of your world for means you could not possibly control, would you not seek out someone and somewhere that would accept you? And if you found it, if some being that has been connected with you your whole life welcomed you home and wrapped you in an embrace that felt like your mother’s and says that it is starving; well, aren’t you, too?
There is likely a holy war brewing. At the end of it all, is it truly the sole fault of the people and not the organizations and society that expelled them?
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caeslxys · 10 days
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Zephrah actively postpones ruidusborn births. It is believed that the actual number of ruidusborn in exandrian history is much larger than has been officially recorded because the stigma of it was so intense that people lied about it. Alyxian, one of the few recorded ruidusborn heroes of the calamity who received direct blessings from three different prime deities (our very own Changebringer, the Archheart, and the Moonweaver) , has been all but forgotten (read: likely erased) by history.
The Archive of knowledge that revealed the truth of Predathos and Ruidus was never some forgotten thing—it was intentionally hidden by the elites in Vasselheim. And we have no idea how long they have been operating with that knowledge. We have no idea what they have been doing with that knowledge, what silent wars have been waging for years or decades or centuries. But we saw what they were willing to do, in Hearthdell. We saw the violence and suppression they were willing to commit. We saw the pettiness of the exandrian pantheon in the Dawnfather’s response to Deanna’s: “Are you worth saving?”. In the Changebringer’s manipulative change of course in her pleas to FCG. In the Wildmother’s rejection of Opal. In the knowledge we have that Imogen spent so much of her miserable time in Gelvaan begging the gods to aid her to no avail—just for Kord to reach out only to demand that she not let them down.
Liliana’s point that Vasselheim and the other faithful elite of the world will hunt ruidusborn down to negate even the potential of this happening again isn’t new, it isn’t something this solstice and the machinations surrounding it caused, and it isn’t some unsubstantiated, fearful claim—it has been happening.
The vanguard—and Liliana—are unequivocally wrong in their means. But can you really fault them in their desire? Can you really fault the conclusions they have drawn from the experiences they have lived? If you spend your entire life being rejected by the people and the pantheon of your world for means you could not possibly control, would you not seek out someone and somewhere that would accept you? And if you found it, if some being that has been connected with you your whole life welcomed you home and wrapped you in an embrace that felt like your mother’s and says that it is starving; well, aren’t you, too?
There is likely a holy war brewing. At the end of it all, is it truly the sole fault of the people and not the organizations and society that expelled them?
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caeslxys · 10 days
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ultimately the thing about the, "how dare the rest of Bells Hells debate whether to save the gods or not when Orym's family was killed by the people trying to kill the gods" take is that a personal tragedy is not a determinative argument, especially wrt an issue this fundamentally world-altering. its completely understandable that Orym finds the deaths of Will and Derrig inextricable from this topic. what's being demanded of him emotionally is enormous. but nothing about being in opposition to the gods requires that someone take the actions Ludinus and the Ruby Vanguard have taken, and they are far from the sole representatives of this ideology. and Will and Derrig's actual feelings regarding the gods had very little to do with their deaths.
(and, really: if the deaths of Orym's family makes questioning the gods' place unconscionable, than what does Aeor make of supporting them?)
beyond that: the discomfort of a single individual does not disallow a topic from discussion. it's an indication to tread lightly, with care and patience for that individual. but it is not grounds to consider a conversation as vast and complex as this one decided. especially given that Orym is far from the only member of the Hells who has intense emotions and traumas tied up in this; Orym's feelings should not take precedent over, for example, the negative experiences Ashton and Laudna have had with gods and their followers.
but also, like, even if you truly believe that anyone being ambivalent or antagonistic towards the gods in this situation is self-centered and wrong, unconditional support is simply not where the Hells are at. and if they don't talk about it now, they're gonna have to talk about it later, when they're being asked to put their hand on the scale and there's mere moments left to act.
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caeslxys · 11 days
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"You spend a lot of time in a dark place, you forget what home looks like. That doesn't mean the yearning is gone. Especially when it... finds you again."
"Don't put that choice on me, then."
-Critical Role Campaign 3, Episode 92
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caeslxys · 12 days
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“i will not let you go”/“what if i’m holding you back?”
yes i’m late on this one. woops
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