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One of the biggest problems I find among women's rights activists is their reliance on data when it supports them, at the same time as their absolute inability to understand (or, in some cases even read) the papers they are citing. This is then compounded by logical fallacies such as "guilt by association".
Study 1.
(Fulu, 2013) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25104345/
They studied ONLY 3rd tier economy countries, and only in Asian countries. Despite 50+ years of IPV research showing that most IPV is bi-direcitonal, and rarely happens in a vacuum (but when it does it's mostly women perpetrating alone), no mention of the woman's perpetrating role of IPV was mentioned or studied. Be that as it may, they did at least mention that poverty, alcoholism and low education were factors.
Result: Poor, illiterate Asian men are violent. Poor, illiterate Asian women might also be violent, but they never tested for that.
Study 2.
(UN Women 2017) https://arabstates.unwomen.org/sites/default/files/Field%20Office%20Arab%20States/Attachments/2017/arab-women-report-violence-against-women-english.pdf
It's not actually a study, it's a report to the UN on violence against women in Arab countries. The data is scarce, inconsistent and riddled with problems. For example, on p.4 it gives an info-graphic on the Global prevalence of violence against women, and gives all sorts of statistics in the following paragraphs.
One such statistic, pulled at random is:
"In Saudi Arabia, nearly 80% of women respondents aged 18-48 reported experiencing sexual harassment, including on the street." (15)
When you check the source it gives this: https://stopstreetharassment.org/resources/statistics/statistics-academic-studies/ which gives its source as [page not found]. It's not backed up by any data at all.
Just in case this was a random glitch, I tried another reference at random, no.22. That was also a dead link.
Study 3.
(Barker et. al. n.d.) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30335574/
It does actually have a date - 2019 - but the main worry is that the publication does NOT make ANY of the claims that OP does, because principally it didn't study for them!
Study 4.
(Jewkes et. al. 2011) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3247272/
This studied ONLY Zulu men ONLY living in rural areas run in traditional ways. However the headline makes it read that all South Africans are represented by rural Zulu nations.
Result: Zulu men rape sometimes. The most notable finding is this:
"A further difference was that men who raped had more educated mothers, with a greater proportion having completed school or attended further education."
Wouldn't that be an L for feminists??
Study 5.
(Young et. al. 2017) https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sarah-Desmarais-2/publication/303696511_Sexual_Coercion_Practices_Among_Undergraduate_Male_Recreational_Athletes_Intercollegiate_Athletes_and_Non-Athletes/links/59305690aca272fc55e158af/Sexual-Coercion-Practices-Among-Undergraduate-Male-Recreational-Athletes-Intercollegiate-Athletes-and-Non-Athletes.pdf
Only a single university was studied, and the study only looked at inter-collegiate athletes. However, OP claims that 46% of all undergrad students in the entire USA admit to perpetration of sexual violence. The study does not back that statement up.
Result: 29 intercollegiate athletes at an unidentified US university may have used some kind of coercion in a previous relationship.
Study 6.
(Hales & Gannon 2021) https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10790632211051682
My massive concern for this one is the demographic makeup. In the supplementary tables, the researchers break down the ethnicities of the perpetrators:
54% of Other Asian men were perpetrators
50% of Pakistani men
33% of Black Caribbean men
33% of Arab men
20% of Irish men
18% of Indian men
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Starting to sound a bit racist to me...
Study 7.
(Malamuth 1981) https://spssi.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1540-4560.1981.tb01075.x
Seriously though. This did an Aristotelian logic, by looking at two groups of people, identifying similar traits between the two, and concluding backwards that A must be like B:
Convicted rapists score high on believing rape myths, and arousal to rape scenarios - therefore - ANYONE who believes rape myths and is aroused by rape scenarios is likely to become a rapist.
In case there are people reading this that don't get the logical fallacy, let me describe it in a different way: Oranges have been found to be high in spherical shape, and usually consistent in orange color. Therefore ANYTHING that is high in spherical shape and usually consistent in orange color, must be the fruit of an orange tree.
I think you can see the problem.
I do actually have problems with the studies beyond just demographics - many of them use Koss as a sexual misconduct benchmark, and Koss was the first to state that any alcohol consumed (by a woman only!) makes any subsequent sexual act, rape. Even her participants did not view their consensual loving sexual encounters as rape, but Koss didn't listen.
Koss also went on to say that men can't be raped, period. No amount of inebriation of the man results in him being able to be taken advantage of by a woman, apparently.
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In short:
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None of these studies is representative of White Western men, or even men more broadly.
But it takes a frikkin essay to explain why feminists are so routinely wrong, so not many people bother, they just ignore feminists, which ironically perpetrates these rape myths, because no one corrects them.
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Seriously, Zulu men??
More Than 1 in 3 Men Admit to Raping or Abusing Women
Earlier I made a post about how many men will openly admit to abusing or raping women.
This post expands on that by looking at a few specific publications from that post and introducing some other publications on the same issue.
First, a study examined multiple sites in East and Southeast Asia, and, uniquely, aggregated the data across sites (Fulu, 2013):
33% of men admit to perpetrating physical intimate partner violence (IPV)
46% of men admit to perpetrating either physical or sexual IPV, or both
53% of men admit to perpetrating at least one emotionally abusive act; 30% admit to at least three different acts
34% of men admit to perpetrating economic IPV
24% of men admit to perpetrating rape against a partner
11% of men admit to perpetrating rape against a non-partner
4% of men admit to perpetrating gang rape
Of the men who admitted to committing any type of rape, 58% admitted to perpetrating rape more than once and 33% admitted to more than one victim
67% of the men who committed rape faced no legal consequences
14-52% of men said had transactional sex at least once
Second, a study examined multiple countries in the Middle East and North Africa. The data was not aggregated across country, so the range of responses is provided (UN Women, 2017):
10-45% of men admit to perpetrating physical IPV
20-80% of men admit to perpetrating emotional IPV
31-64% of men admit to perpetrating street-based sexual harassment; in addition, more educated men were more likely to admit to having sexually harassed a woman, and more educated women were more likely to have experienced sexual harassment
Third, a study examined multiple countries from around the world (Brazil, Chile, Croatia, India, Mexico and Rwanda). The data was not aggregated across country, so the range of responses is provided (Barker et al., n.d.):
25-40% of men admit to perpetrating physical IPV
6-29% of men admit to perpetrating sexual violence against women and girls
16-56% of men said they had transactional sex at least once
Fourth, smaller studies provide data from a range of different countries:
28% of men in South Africa admit to having ever raped a woman; many perpetrated rape more than once; 2% admitted to perpetrating gang rape; more than 30% faced no consequences and over 80% faced no legal consequences (Jewkes et al., 2011)
46% of male undergraduate students in the USA admit to perpetrating some form of sexual coercion (Young et al., 2017)
Finally, some studies with related data:
13% of men in the UK admit to perpetrating sexual violence over the past twelve months; importantly, this figure is not comparable to the lifetime prevalence estimates given above (Hales & Gannon, 2021)
35% of male undergraduate students in the USA reported some likelihood of committing rape, in a review of earlier studies (Malamuth, 1981)
The wording of these studies is crucial, as some men will endorse behaviorally descriptive items, but reject labeling items - where the word rape is used (Edwards et al., 2014); these differences may explain at least part of the reported victimization-perpetration gap (Kolivas & Gross, 2007)
In addition, these studies all used self-report measures (asking men if they committed particular violent acts). Therefore, the reported prevalence is likely based on (1) the true prevalence rate and (2) the social acceptability of that form of violence. Some estimates may therefore be much lower than the true prevalence rates.
References under the cut:
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You can't have nice things because you keep voting for Democratic councilors who defund the police, decriminalize actual crimes, force law-abiding citizens out of their rightful homes to favor illegal immigrants, and their leader is a gibbering dementia patient unfit to even stand trial.
How did you miss all of that happening on your watch??
The Right Wing are morons benefitting from structural white supremacy that give below average conservatives too many advantages.
House Republicans are morons.
Senate Republicans are morons.
Republican SCOTUS are morons.
Look how much money they get from corporations and Citizens United-backed influential donors.
The constructs have to go to unrig the systems.
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We're done with this conversation, that's why I stopped responding.
But just for clarification, you appear to be trying to hold me to rules that I haven't agreed with (responding to every. single. line. and. point. made. in. all. your. very. exhaustingly. long. responses). I don't have to, I haven't agreed to, and this is yet more evidence of your lack of understanding about consent. You're trying to force me. Don't.
It seems like I was right: you need to work on the issue of consent. I didn't consent to your unwritten rules, and you're getting annoyed with that and berating me for it.
You literally sound as bad as the men feminists hate on so much.
Man: "Oi darling!...."
Woman: "No."
Man: *verbally berates woman*
Say it with me: Consent :clap: is :clap: mandatory :clap:
Respond again once you've got it figured out.
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Good Friday Wisdom
It does seem like there's a correlation between "women-disillusioned-with-men" and "catladies".
This is my tongue-in-cheek take on it.
Men do domestic violence
Cats do domestic violence
Men are useless
Cats are useless
Men choose when and if they love you
Cats choose when and if they love you
Men flirt with your female friends and neighbours
Cats flirt with your female friends and neighbours
You have to feed men
You have to feed cats
You have to clean men's poop tray
You have to clean cats' poop tray
Most men are a bit fluffy
Most cats are a bit fluffy
Even non-hairy men can find someone who thinks they are cute
Even non-hairy cats can find someone who thinks they are cute
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You get the drift.
Cats are women's surrogate for men. The ONLY difference is the power imbalance. Women are larger than cats and can physically dominate them.
#feminism#cats#men#women#I'm not wrong#Seriously though are there even any ways that men and cats differ in women's eyes?
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This is what happens when you teach gender studies without requiring any academic ability at all.
Russian deaths are around 150,000 people every month. [source: https://www.economy.com/russian-federation/deaths]
Domestic violence deaths range widely from 253 actual confirmed deaths in "family conflicts", to 14,000 estimated domestic violence-related deaths [source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_Russia]
Even if we take the high number of 14,000 that makes up less than 10% of all MONTHLY deaths, meaning well less than 1% of yearly deaths. Allowing for half of all deaths occurring in women makes this around 1.5% of all female estimated deaths attributable to domestic violence.
But the CONFIRMED deaths due domestic situations is still 253, making the official total 0.015% of all female deaths each year.
0.015%
Pulling numbers out of your ass like 73% isn't helpful to anyone.
73% of all Russian women who died in 2023, died because of domestic violence...
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When my son was 3 he wanted to be a train. It was obvious to us that he was really a steamtrain trapped in a little boy's body. He made noises, had arms like coupling rods, and had a fine "choo-choo" whistle.
I'm so glad we went ahead with industrial surgery, his wheels instead of legs get him around so much better. We were worried that the lack of tracks along our living room floor might be a problem, but some helpful activists told us we were bigots, and we realized we were.
We replaced my son's brain with two locomotive engineers. Swarthy, coal-shoveling types. Strong. Virile. My wife seems so much happier now, it's really helped us as a family.
I live in the coal shed. It's just the right thing to do.
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Almost all men live in a perpetual (platonic) affection drought.
We never get touched affectionately, by anyone. The only time we ever have skin-to-skin contact is shaking hands. Or sex. Shaking hands isn't affectionate touching, and sex is the only other way we get to be touched.
This means that sex is our ONLY way of having any affectionate touching at all.
The problem compounds itself by the fact that women find most men "creepy" (i.e. in some way undesirable), and women naturally refrain from touching most men in any way at all, as they do NOT want to give those men the wrong impression. Ironically this furthers the situation that men never get touched platonically or affectionately outside of sex, meaning that IF a woman touches a man, the man automatically think she must be interested in him!
For us, sex IS affection. We don't get affection anywhere else.
We don't blame women. It's not women's fault. And it's not men's fault either, it's just one of those things. Men just live with it.
Society is set up to refrain from showing men any affection at all. Is it a surprise that men use the only avenue open to them to get affection? (i.e. sex, or sex work) Is it a surprise that - in the absolute total absence of any human affection - some men get driven to the depths of despair?
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Side note: ask your dad when he last got given a bunch of flowers.
Sex is natural, and it is frustrating to be horny and not have a partner, but I refuse to believe people are driven to the depths of despair because they don't have sex. And even if they were, I would still not support "sex work" because a person's dignity and physical integrity will always be more important than someone's else feelings.
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"I am so well read on the topic of consent... because I don't respect it?"
You've already proved you don't. People tend to stick to topics that they need to learn about.
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The reason I bought up the issue of consent is because you should know better, especially as a feminist.
No respect for boundaries is what leads to boundaries being routinely violated (in both directions), and no, it doesn't matter if those boundaries are regarding the public sharing of private messages. No, it also doesn't matter if the content of those private messages are relevant to public conversation.
The fact that you went against a natural boundary, without asking, had to be chastised twice for it, AND you tried to minimize your violatory behavior (twice) to excuse your wrongdoing suggests very loudly to me that you actually don't understand the inviolable principles for which you say you stand.
This worries me, as poor boundaries in one area are correlated with poor boundaries in other areas. If you don't understand consent after being chastised twice, perhaps you are better to remove yourself from ANY place where consent is mandatory:
Men.
Women.
Children.
Animals.
Work.
I will suggest that a reason you may be attracted to write about issues of consent that women face is that you yourself are a woman who needs to learn about consent.
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Consent is something I thought you might be well-versed on, don't reduce your accountability to obtain consent, EVER, like you just tried to do.
Say it with me: "Consent. Is. Mandatory."
I really get tired having to explain consent to feminists, of all people.
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"men commit the majority of IP murder." - This is correct now, but it used to be equal in the 1970 and 1980s. What changed was the invention of women's shelters, that ironically gave murderers a place to remove themselves to. There are no such shelters for men, nor any societal pressures for men to remove themselves to a place of safety where they aren't going to murder. Funnily enough, those 343 studies actually cover equal IP murder rates, which you would have spotted if you had read them...
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"Female pedophiles exist. Of course they do. But the pedophiles committing the majority of CSA are men."
This is the same argument as "men commit the vast majority of rapes". In the case of rape, it's because we legally define rape so that women are incapable of raping men. This skews the stats, because every time a woman rapes a man, it's defined as "an unwanted sexual encounter", and not rape.
In the case of female pedophiles, we're not even looking for them, and we're booing professional female-pedophile-researchers off stage and deplatforming them simply for suggesting that there are any female pedophiles. This skews the stats almost exclusively towards your opinion. This doesn't make your opinion correct.
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Consent. Learn it. Obtain it. Stop if you don't have it.
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I don't appreciate the sharing of private messages to a public space. You don't have my consent to do so.
But to address just a couple of your points:
You're demonstrably wrong about men committing the lion's share of IPV, and you ARE aware of this since we covered it in PRIVATE messaging, which now makes you disingenuous.
343 scholarly articles showing that women are as violent as men in IPV.
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Female pedophilia:
^^ We're not even looking for female pedophiles, which makes it all the more dangerous, as they get jobs with children. For your info, Michelle Elliott (above) got booed off stage at a conference to counter child abuse and child rape for merely suggesting that female pedophiles existed.
It's a taboo topic, so it's no wonder the stats are skewed to make it look like men are the sole perpetrators. Even world-class researchers on the subject are deplatformed, quite literally.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/please-help-im-30-and-obsessed-with-justin-bieber/news-story/a6240759aa107a4440f7f2c04a135440
Middle aged women frequently get obsessed with child stars
Lastly, I can recommend you research "The Empathy Gap", rather than just assume stuff that you don't know about.
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Woman: goes out naked
Populace:
Man: goes out naked
Populace: SEX OFFENDER
Yeah, there are double standards everywhere you look.
Human anatomy. It’s really just that simple and straightforward, y’all.
Images (except for Twitter screenshot, obvs) found here [x]
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Female beauty standards
As usual - for those who don't get the point of my posts - this is mostly NOT about female beauty standards, but the title is a way of introducing a topic that I want to write about.
I seem to have a lot of radfem posts on my feed, which is fine by me.
Some of them talk about how female beauty standards are enforced by (oppressive) males. I'm sure they mean "men", but they simply want to slide in a covert and subtle dehumanization, because why not.
A few of the commenters (also radfems) suggest that ALL of men's sexuality is pedophilic in nature, being that men apparently prefer hairless women, and younger women in general.
Logic, reason and biology have never been radfems' strongest skills, so let's unpack it here.
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PCOS - PolyCystic Ovarian Syndrome - is an endocrine imbalance most often caused by late-gestational maternal stress events.
The symptoms include: deeper voice, higher-than-normal (and darker) body hair sometimes verging on excess hair (mustache, sideburns, arm hair, leg hair, pubic hair, and even chest hair), and reduced reproductive function.
A percentage of PCOS sufferers also have body dysmorphia, and when coupled with additional biological issues such as lack of dihydrogentestosterase, results in the woman identifying as lesbian.
So we can expect radfems to be overrepresented in the sample size of PCOS sufferers.
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I find this interesting for the following reasons:
The dig at men finding excess body hair unattractive could be seen as a hidden factor in PCOS sufferers disdain for men not finding THEM attractive. It's personal.
It wasn't ever about beauty, that's a primary school level analysis. It's actually about fertility - which in my opinion is the primary attraction factor that men judge women by.
It's this second point that is worth looking at.
It is in humanity's best interests for men to avoid mating with women who have lower reproductive capability, and vice-versa.
If excess body hair is a sign of lower fertility, then it stands to reason that men would prefer a woman with less excess hair. Not NO hair, just less excess hair. No visible mustache, for example.
From a radfems' perspective, it will look as if men are oppressing all women by demanding unrealistic beauty standards (such as a lack of body hair in places where many radfems find it growing).
However this is a) confirmation bias, and b) actually natural and not oppressive. It's ensured the survival of the species. It's men's automatic judgement of who is MORE fertile or LESS fertile.
My opinion is that men's attraction to women is primarily based on fertility. Women are at their most fertile around the ages of 21-23 and men consistently rate women in that age range as the most attractive, with attraction waning on both sides of the age range.
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A point of honesty: I find women with a little more body hair than usual more attractive.
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And in a rare moment of self-reflection, it could well be that I am unconsciously attracted to the stressed-out maternal figures that are or were in my family line. It would stand to reason.
Thoughts below:
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"Women's anger ... is ultimately driven by love"
#killallmen
#yesallmen
#just read a radblr post once in a while
I'm not sure women are capable of real love. But they ARE capable of real anger.
Male rage is so immature. Like a little hissy fit. Two year old having a temper tantrum -behaviour.
Women's anger simmers, it is righteous and justified. It is ultimately driven by love, because hate will ultimately show when you love enough.
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(Cave) Men: WE KIL BIZN. NOW FUD.
(Cave) Women: Erhmergerd that's so PARASITIC.
(Cave) Men: WE MAK FYRE! FUD TAST BETTA
(Cave) Women: Erhmergerd that's so PARASITIC.
Men: Hm. This rock burns slowly releasing heat to keep our women and children warm! Let's dig up thousands of tonnes of it so our women are safe warm and happy!
Women: Erhmergerd that's so creepy AND PARASITIC.
Men: Uh, what? Anyway, we made communication devices so you can talk to your female relatives many miles away!
Women: Erhmergerd that's so creepy AND PARASITIC.
Men: Hey, hold on? Wait are you also taking my taxes and paying for all your stuff, and then taking half my belongings ad salary too? I'm not sure that was part of the deal.
Women: Erhmergerd that's so creepy AND PARASITIC.
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I'm guessing women haven't collectively looked in the mirror recently. Taking what isn't yours is....literally creepy and parasitic.
it's so creepy that everything about males is parasitic, all the way from the way sperm invades the egg and then uses a woman's body for 9 months, to the parasitism of all forms male-female relationships-- the brother is a parasite on the sister who is made to cook and clean up after him whenever mom is not around, the husband is a parasite on the wife in much the same way with the addition of the sacrifice of her own ambitions and labor (both physical and emotional) in support of her husband's life plans. Even the male pupil is the parasite of the female pupil, as when he becomes disruptive he is put next to a well-behaved girl who suffers as a result, having to sacrifice her learning time to teach him what he missed while he was being a nuisance. Everywhere you turn you'll find a male sucking the life out of a female in one way or another.
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Me too. And I'm originally from England! But I understand him more than I understand Liberals.
Why do people need subtitles to watch a show in English? I don't get it. What is wrong with the ears of young people?
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THIS is the reason for subtitles. He's speaking English.
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Why do people need subtitles to watch a show in English? I don't get it. What is wrong with the ears of young people?
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