I’m not trying to attack you, but do you know that proshipper means someone who supports and romanticizes pedophilia, incest, and abuse? Your reblog on that post seems to read that you think antis just hate on people for having ships they don’t like. But it’s completely different than that. Just looking on the proshipper side of Tumblr and the internet and you can see people happily shipping children and adults and making nsfw content of such things.

i appreciate that you're not being outright hostile, but i have to say, that on its own put you above basically every anti i've interacted with.

i understand where antis are coming from, i really do. there are a lot of things on the internet that make me deeply uncomfortable, including the minor/adult ships that you mention. i don't want to anything to do with those kinds of ships and i would be happiest if i never saw them again. which is why i'm proship.

nine times out of ten, if i see that kind of ship brought up on my dash, it's because i was following an anti without realizing it, and they brought it up unprompted and untagged, to talk about how bad it is that they exist. they are the ones putting that kind of content in front of my face and making it harder to avoid.

the thing about people who ship those ships is that they're generally very aware that not everyone wants to see that kind of content, and so they tag it. they make sideblogs to talk about it. they don't go out of their way to shove it in people's faces. that means i, and everyone else who doesn't like it, can avoid it.

what antis want is for it to not exist at all. they want the tags to be purged and blocked, and for anyone who uses those tags to have their accounts deleted. and sure, that might get rid of some of it, but do you know what would happen to the rest? it would stop being tagged. people who don't want to see it wouldn't have the tools to avoid it. this isn't just a hypothetical, that's what's happened any time a fan space has tried to do that.

that's not even getting into the rabbit hole of what should be banned and what shouldn't. obviously any content that depicts real children or real life abuse shouldn't exist and shouldn't be allowed to be posted, but basically any platform that people use already enforces those policies, and there's not much of a slippery slope to go down there. if it involves real living breathing people being abused, it's bad. end of discussion.

but the same can't be said for fiction. ask ten antis for a specific list of all the content that should be banned, and you'll get ten different answers. what about kink? what about roleplay? what about horror and murder and anything that involves fictional characters being graphically tortured? what about people using art to process terrible things that have happened to them? what about art that uses dark themes as a horror element? if you just want to ban anything questionable to anyone, that's the line of thinking that gets any mention of lgbt existence banned. and again, this isn't just a hypothetical, this has happened before, and that's generally where it leads.

i know, from personal experience, that antis do, in fact, send harassment to people just for shipping things they don't like. i've gotten accused of absolutely vile shit for shipping two fictional characters who were both consenting adults. i've seen ship wars turn into moral battlegrounds, over ships that an average person wouldn't bat an eye at.

the thing about "romanticization" is a whole other can of worms. the anti logic goes like this: if someone sees something (even if it's very obviously fictional) in a positive light enough times, they will start thinking it's okay in real life, and go on to hurt real people. the problem with that is that it's just. blatantly untrue.

if it were true every horror movie fan would be a serial killer, every person that studies dark media would be an unhinged psychopath, and everyone who is into ddlg would be a pedophile. but they're not. they just aren't. people have directed movies just as fucked up as the darkest shit on ao3, and are still capable of being normal human beings who know right from wrong in real life.

even if someone is that impressionable, scrubbing away the existence of every piece of questionable content isn't going to solve their problem, because they're still going to be vulnerable to con men, scams, and cultists. the only thing that would actually materially help someone like that is developing their own morals and critical thinking.

children are also more impressionable, and there's a lot of content that's not suitable for them, but that doesn't mean that content shouldn't exist. it just means that they should stick to spaces designed for them (which most social media sites, tumblr included, are not) or, if they're old enough to be responsible for their experience online, they, or a trusted adult in their lives, should block and filter out things that they aren't comfortable with.

which is what everyone on the internet should be doing. it's what i do, and it's made the internet a much more pleasant place to be. and it's why i sometimes worry for antis mental health, especially teenagers, because they're being told it's right and moral to seek out content that makes them uncomfortable and to engage with the people making it. and that's just. really bad. it's not good for the creators that they're harassing obviously, but it's also really bad for them! it's not healthy to seek out things that make you feel bad, and it's a terrible internet safety lesson to teach minors that it's okay for them to seek out and engage with people making adult content.

individual harassment and crusading is never going to succeed at removing dark content from the internet. it just isn't. at best you might get a small percentage of people who create that content to stop sharing it, at worst you're just going to make people stop tagging it, and either way, you're exposing yourself to things that make you feel bad, when you don't have to.

if you want to materially change the type of content you see, you can. the block button is your friend, use it liberally. same with content filtering and tag blocking.

mark, my words. *mark brings me my dictionary* thank you mark

>:( well tomorrow twitter users can buy twenty-five checkmarks

#i think penis greed is whatever Gov Lum has going on#penis lust is of course like 20% of all lust#penis wrath is unlocked the first time you slap a sibling with a comedy size dildo (you may substitute another peer if only child)#penis sloth aka pillow princess behaviours#penis pride is for the transes#And penis gluttony is specifically for me let's gOOOOOOOO (via @vergess)

they always talk about penis envy but what about the other six penis sins

Seeing Twitter's response to our "warning shots" cursed old-school fandom posts has me convinced that majority-neurodivergent spaces need to do this more often

Paladin: send dudes Bard: you mean nudes? Paladin: i’m in a fight. i need more men.

feel like this mocking of 2012 cringe tumblr hits different for those of us who were there. to my younger followers: it really was like that.

i love you transmasc fags i love you transfem dykes i love you transmasc dykes i love you transfem fags i love you girls who are boys who are girls i love you boys who are girls who are boys i love you genderfuckery

Hey just a reminder that thought crime doesn’t exist and pretending to have empathy is just as good as having it! You can be the world’s biggest dickhead in the privacy of your own mind and as long as you’re outwardly kind it literally Does Not Matter

i actually really needed to hear this. love this outlook, thank you.

transgender transgender the 5th of november or whatever the quote is

she think on my therefore til i am

oh my god it's November 5th

Someone tagged this with something like "yeah, the important thing is whether you're romanticizing it. Don't do that!" And I would like to clarify that this post is explicitly in support of the nasty fetish-y The Dove Is Extremely Deceased fics, the fictional stuff everyone keeps equating to recordings of actual child abuse, and anything where the only condemnation of its bad-in-real-life things is in the tags. Those are still just depictions.

Tagging a rape fic as "rape" (or "choose not to warn", aka "may contain rape, I'm not saying") is a condemnation of the events in the fic, and it is all you have to do. You can make the story itself as fluffy and romantic as you want. That's perfectly okay. As long as you're not labeling the fic, in the tags or other meta-information, as "healthy relationships".

Some people use "but positive representation in fiction is important"/"but bigoted tropes in fiction are harmful" as a gotcha against pro-shippers.

But fiction with a bad message is different from depicting something bad.

It is morally okay to depict anything, as long as you use appropriate warnings. It is not morally okay to create fiction with a message of "[x harmful thing] is good."

A dead dove fic that depicts rape, tagged with "rape/non-con", does not have a harmful message. It is depicting rape, but acknowledging that the interaction is nonconsensual and therefore wrong (by tagging it). Its message may be "rape has horrible effects on its victims" - a very important message! Or it may simply be intended to inspire feelings of arousal, which is also a valuable goal.

On the other hand, a fic that depicts rape but is tagged with "no archive warnings apply" does have a harmful message: it is saying that the rape it depicts is actually a healthy relationship.

Additionally, banning fiction is still bad, even if the fiction in question has a bad message. It is important for libraries to not ban racist books, for example, so that people can study those books and avoid using their racist tropes in their own writing. It is possible - and good! - to engage in an ethical way with fiction that has bad messages.

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watching the AI art debate thing on twitter is a special kind of torture if you’ve ever attempted any irl political action in your entire life because it’s a train wreck of people trying to enact a movement against something and methodically picking every worst possible argument you could hope to make, constantly shifting the battleground from concrete territory you can actually Win into highly subjective areas that nobody in the conversation can ever decisively win

“all AI art is ugly” is a pointless cul de sac you have to re-argue whenever anyone makes even a half-decent picture, “any commercial art AI should have to demonstrate that it’s only working from public domain artworks” is material, practical and doable. “all AI artists have no passion” is a great way to give those people an avenue to argue you’re just being cruel and bitter (or for AI artists who also use traditional mediums to flat-out refute), “any art produced commercially by an AI should have its prompts recorded so we know they didn’t invoke another artist/their IP to make it” is a thing you can make laws and regulations about. “AI art is soulless fake art unlike Real art from Real artists” gives your opponents the easy opportunity to paint you as a backwards out of touch academic snob disconnected from everyday people (and uh, as an academic snob myself, good luck decisively solving the “what is real art??” debate for the first time in human history), “an AI can’t have any kind of conversation with the commissioner to understand their vision, it can’t truly understand what its making so feedback and precision won’t be on par with a real human, so if you want something accurate and personal it could be an inferior service for your money” is a tangible concern that anyone looking to buy art should be aware of, whether or not an AI can make a pretty picture is less important in practical terms than whether it can make the exact picture the person buying wants

you can spend all day arguing that as a human artist you have Soul and that your work has Life, or you can argue that as a human artist if the client wants their fursona’s right arm a little more to the left or for their expression to have more sassiness in it then you can just do that for them instead of arguing with a robot over what an arm is or the complexities of anthro marmoset facial features

transgender but in a problematic way that cant be sanitized by teens who are trying to reinvent the hayes code