thishazbinamistake
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They/them, autistic, queer adultCall me Nabs! This is a place for my Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel thoughts because they're special interests unfortunately. Check out my Carrd for more info:https://thishazbinamistake.carrd.co
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Stolas is currently the main character of Helluva Boss, receiving more screen time than anyone else in the show. Vivziepop is giving him ample attention because she wants to victimize him as much as possible in a poor attempt to make him "sympathetic."
However, all she's done is make Stolas into the most unbearable character in Helluva Boss, with Blitzo, Octavia, and Stella suffering the most. Instead of exploring the pain he's caused them, the show blames and villainizes them to make him into an "innocent victim" who's "incapable" of doing wrong.
Stolas has become the main character of Helluva Boss, and the worst one because of it.
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Charlie Morningstar Redesign! (4/7)
It’s the girl herself!!!
I could NOT stand the red in her suit so i made it a much nicer soft cream colour! I think red is a lovely colour but in the case of someone like Charlie who wants to brand herself as approachable and welcoming, a strong harsh red all over is not the way to go. The red of her horns and lower hooves and vest is already more than enough red and it pairs very nicely with the yellows and gold accents in the rest of her design in my opinion!
I always tend to draw her with this big hopeful eyes to contrast the kind of scary look that rectangle pupils give and I think it reflects her character pretty well. Charlie is absolutely a sweetheart but when angry her eyes become flatter and more threatening. She’s literally offered to kill a guy for Angel once so she has to have some kick in her, plus horns are good for stabbing! And accessories!! Like cute chains!!!!! My original Charlie redesign had her with a little apple cuff on her horn and I do miss it a little, but I think she looks alright without it too :3 she keeps it in a dresser somewhere
I’ve never drawn or designed a character with cloven hoof hands but I think I might do it more often after this. Thinking about her writing or typing with the little clicky sounds makes my brain happy and honestly walking with hooves has that special flair that heels just cannot achieve. Since she’s the hotel owner/staff she also gets her own custom little nametag like Niffty (the rest if the staff have them as well but not all of them wear them all the time like Husk, Van/Vaggie, or Alastor) I personally think Charlie made them all herself and let everyone write their own names, but she enjoyed picking colours and all that :)
Her red cheek things were a bit strange to me and I gotta be honest I didn’t like them very much so I replaced them with a softer peach gradient on her cheeks and hips to give an extra warmness to her. I want her to seem like the kind of person that can give a REALLY firm handshake and also a very good hug and talk about anything. Oh her little wave is supposed to look kind of like that weird royal wave I see those royal people do sometimes. I thought it’d be a cute little thing to add slightly-off regal mannerisms where I could.
I hope the goat motifs came through well enough, I really like abnormal legs (you will begin to notice this soon) and they really just add so much personality to me I love working with them. I wanted Charlie to be kind of chubby and soft looking hence the colour choice leaning more towards warm rather than hot and trying to use less pointed shapes with her like the little gold ball tassels on her bolo-tie. About the bolo-tie! The little gem on the inside is purple to symbolise the pride ring, but it also allows direct transport to other layers of hell. Sinners cannot use this even if they get their hands on it, but it’s still incredibly rare and valuable because of materials and such. It’s like an eco friendly private jet. Maybe Taylor Swift should get her hands on one of these! :)
And if anyone was wondering yes I did want the purple to also look a bit like a nether portal.. it was a good opportunity.
The last little details I want to note are the faint heart motifs on her ear and hooves. For the hooves it’s really cheesy but I think the metaphorical idea of leaving a tiny bit of love wherever she goes is cute and I like being sappy. The ear heart being a tear has always meant some kind of “hurt to get what you love” thing to me. I don’t fully know how to describe it but it’s not in a toxic mentality, she just does a lot of stressful stuff to get her dreams and passions going and I think shes great for that.
I plan on drawing her true form eventually and maybe showing a little animation of transformation (I just want an excuse to draw her tail again)
Overall Charlie is one of my favourites to draw and write for, shes just such a sweetie and I love her to death 🩷 she is quite literally the heart of the hotel and she is doing her best! Excited to post again later today :3 📻
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I really don't like Lucifer. He gets forgiven way too easily for neglecting his child, basically here's what he does in his introduction episode
It was confirmed he only calls Charlie when he needs something or is bored
Got angry at one of her friends for just acting like a friend
Made it very clear that he does not support her dream
"Oh wait actually I tried to do that to me, and since it didn't work for me, it won't work for you."
Treated Charlie like she was some fragile child who needed to be protected "I'll shelter and adore you more than anything"
"Haha never mind I support your dream after we sang a song!" Then Charlie just instantly forgives him???
Then he cheered Charlie up, but also invalidated her feelings after a war "Hey little lady, why the frown?"
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Vivzie has such an immensely unearned pretentiousness and bravado about her work given how she has one of the most unconfident art and character design styles I've ever seen make it to television. It's frenzied in it's addiction to making sure everyone is thin and covered in useless symbols and pinstripes. I didn't know it was this bad I was hoping the criticism I've seen online was at least a little cherry picked but these characters' visual chemistry bar is below ground.
It is impressive how awful these character designs are. I would struggle to do this on purpose
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Our beautiful Rosie ❤️
I love her so much ✨️
🫖 ☕️ 🥰
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”Media literacy is dead!” It isn’t. The definition of media literacy is “Media literacy is an expanded conceptualisation of literacy that includes the ability to access and analyse media messages as well as create, reflect and take action, using the power of information and communication to make a difference in the world.” Media literacy isn’t dead, you are just mad it’s being used on something you like. Media literacy is dead to YOU because the only difference you are making in this bitch of an earth is harassing people. We are all just trying to escape in-pending doom but what are you doing? Getting pissed people don’t like a piece of media you enjoy. So congrats, you did nothing. Nobody gives a shit that I don’t like some media, so get a life and stop worrying about what some traumatised queer teenager with four birds likes and hates. I’m airing my grievances about a few shows and some music, I am not trying to change anyone’s opinion, if I respect your opinion then it goes both ways. I have a life. I go to school. I have friends. I have hobbies other than getting mad at kids online.
#god seriously#whenever I see that phrase now I just automatically assume I'm about to hear the worst take I've ever heard in my life
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It’s disgusting how Brandon called Octavia a “cockblocking slut” because she’s “blocking” Stolitz from happening. How is a child desiring their father’s attention and care for them and their interests “cockblocking?”
Octavia is rightfully angry at Stolas for neglecting her to obsess and cry over Blitzo, who is awfully mistreated by him. She shouldn't have to play second fiddle to an imp who doesn't love her father.
I’m glad I dropped Helluva Boss because Vivziepop is more than likely going to villainize Octavia to further victimize Stolas while making her into another “bitch” like her mother, Stella.
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Getting kind of sad thinking about how much better Helluva Boss would be if Stolitz was just cut from it entirely.
It definitely wouldn't solve all the problems with the show, but it sure would be a massive improvement...
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i can be your angle or yuor devil
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Vivziepop wants you to believe Lucifer is a "good" person by ignoring all the horrible things he has done and instead focusing on how he's a "depressed, pathetic" man whose wife left seven years ago.
He slept with Adam's wife, Eve, and convinced her to commit the first sin by having her bite into the forbidden fruit, thus damming humanity for all eternity. Lucifer agreed to Heaven's annual exterminations of sinners because he despises them and negotiated for his and other Hellborns' exclusion.
If God existed in this universe, the show would also include that he believed he knew better than him, plunging Heaven into a civil war. The war resulted in the defeat of Lucifer and his followers, who were cast out. Of course, God more than likely would've been framed as being "wrong" for doing this.
However, since Lucifer's one of Vivziepop's favorites and she despises Christianity, she made the devil himself "innocent" in a poor attempt to make Christians look "evil."
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Vivziepop wants you to believe Lucifer is a "good" person by ignoring all the horrible things he has done and instead focusing on how he's a "depressed, pathetic" man whose wife left seven years ago.
He slept with Adam's wife, Eve, and convinced her to commit the first sin by having her bite into the forbidden fruit, thus damming humanity for all eternity. Lucifer agreed to Heaven's annual exterminations of sinners because he despises them and negotiated for his and other Hellborns' exclusion.
If God existed in this universe, the show would also include that he believed he knew better than him, plunging Heaven into a civil war. The war resulted in the defeat of Lucifer and his followers, who were cast out. Of course, God more than likely would've been framed as being "wrong" for doing this.
However, since Lucifer's one of Vivziepop's favorites and she despises Christianity, she made the devil himself "innocent" in a poor attempt to make Christians look "evil."
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ᑫᑌIᑕK ᒍOKE-Y ᖇEᗪEᔕIGᑎ
My friend and I were talking about how useless these characters are. He suggested I redesign them and since they're basically over-glorified pets, I decided they should just be pets like the cat they own.
Vivziepop underestimates the power of fugly ass creatures.
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Talking about Adam and the villians of HB
Adam is such a dissapointing villain for Hazbin Hotel that absolutely doesn't make use of the great opportunities they had for the bad guy of this project. Like, what is Adam? A sexual, irrational, rockstar asshole who kills demons for fun and is shown to be completely idiotic and unable to make any good point for his actions. And that sucks.
Atleast to me, them making Adam an irredeemable asshole type just seems like the show acknowledging that they can't take any actual feedback on Charlies idea. He is a strawman who never really gets to be anything else until his final moments, when they want you to care about his fight. The show doesn't want you to actually think critical about what Charlie has planned it just wants you to think she is right, by making you hate Adam, by making his side actively carry out genocide. The fact that a show all about revealing that people have layers and presenting seemingly morally grey areas in them has a villian who is completely one note and just evil and irrational because the show needs him to be is not great.
There are actual things that can be criticized about the Hotel and the idea of redeeming sinners, but Adam can't call any of these out because then Charlie would have to defend herself, which she can't do and then you would realize that the writers couldn't think of arguments for why she is right. And then Charlie would come off as not as great as they want you to think she is.
What if he had called out the fact that genuinely no demon seems to give a shit about being a better person. We don't get a definitive time for how long Charlie has been working on the Hotel but we can assume that it has been atleast a little longer. We see her advertise her idea on the news in the pilot and the Hotel makes an advertisement in the first episode, so we know that it's pretty open information that a place where demons can redeem themselves exist. Yet in the entirety of the pilot, season one and however much time lays between the two, only two sinners came to the hotel to change (im not counting staff members because they are there to work, not to be redeemed).
Angel Dust and Sir Pentious are the only ones who came to stay, which either means that just no other sinner cares to be better or that Charlie is not taken seriously and that her hotel is viewed as stupid in concept alone. And you have to remember that even these two didn't initially join because they genuinely wanted to change.
Angel just decided to stay because it was a cheap place to live where he wouldn't have to see Val. And while Pentious does decide he wants to be better, we don't know if he would have even done that, had it not been for the agreement he made with Vox (which made him come to the hotel with bad intentions in the first place).
Why doesn't Adam get to point out that sending Sinners to heaven might be a bad idea when there are probably people that they hurt or may have even killed up there. Like, Angel Dust was in the Mafia and you can assume that he has quite the killcount and it's very possible that some of his victims are in heaven. That goes for every other demon too, they're down there for a reason. And while sometimes that reason might be something stupid or irrelevant, just giving every demon the benefit of the doubt and a chance to get to heaven (in theory) seems pretty irresponsible.
That is also completely ignoring the fact that Charlie's method has no proof of even working. Seemingly in the entirety of hell existing no sinner has ever redeemed themselves and went to heaven until Sir Pentious, which was mostly an accident as well.
I'm not saying Adam had to be likeable or relatable, but it's pretty obvious that they made him so hateable just because. He can't just be an obnoxious, sexist asshole because that's not blatantly evil enough apparently. He also has to commit genocide for no reason other than that he enjoys it. Again, im not saying his genocide should be excusable, but he should have a reason that isn't presented as him just doing it for fun because hes a jackass (he should have a reason that would make what he is doing okay in his own eyes where the viewer could understand how he views the world without having to agree necessarily).
Writing evil characters who are purely bad because they just are can work. But in my opinion that shouldn't be the main villian, especially not in a show where the central idea is supposed to be discussing morality and moral greyness.
Cioccolata from Jjba is a villian where this works in my opinion. He is just evil and Araki really plays that up. He isn't just a crazy doctor type who violently experiments on people for fun, his backstory also shows that he has been doing this since he was 14 and started with driving elders to suicide. And also he films everything he does because he just likes watching people suffer. Cioccolata really is just irredeemably crazy and sadistic but it works for him because he is just a side antagonist and therefore doesn't have the burden of playing as a direct counter to our main protagonist and because for all his immoral actions he still has philosophy behind that. A fucked up philosophy but an understandable (not excusable) one nonetheless. He explaines that in his eyes people can only experience true happiness from two situations. Either when your own despair is replaced with hope, or when one watches other people fall into despair themselves. In his eyes, the more people he watches die, the more he understands the human race and the stronger he gets, which leads into another aspect of his philosophy, which is that the strong have have the right and responsibility to rule over the weak. That is why I think he works.
We actually get some insight into Adams deeper character motivation in his last moments. When he gets upset that the demons aren't just falling at his feet, worshipping him, even though he is the original man all life came from. And that would be a good idea to expand on, that Adam has this intense sense of entitlement that leads him to despise the demons because he doesn't have power over them, when he feels like he should. And because a crowd of people that don't worship him, feels threatening to him, he would want them gone as to not possibly risk his position of power with their ideas.
That could be the reason for why he despises Charlie, because she is a demon who makes her own plans to save her people, which would mean they could start to follow her and work with her, rather than idolizing him. Something like that would work so well for his character and would fit this saviour attitude that some religious people have when "helping" atheists by recommending that they should be religious to make all their problems dissapear or something (no shade to people who genuinely find peace and safety in their religion I think that's actually great but it's not a solution for everybody). The last moments he has give great insight into what his character could've been, had they focused on this, rather than always just having him say how much he enjoys killing demons for no reason.
And in the song he has he also nearly approaches giving another possible reason for his actions (that being that he just doesn't care because demons already had their chance to be good, didn't choose that and now don't deserve a second chance), but that is also never expanded on and is pretty much ignored throughout the season.
Also I find it interesting that Adam has to be completely and irredeemably evil, hated by everyone, while Lucifer gets away with just letting the people he is supposed to rule die like it's nothing. Lucifer didn't to anything to stop the exterminations, he didn't contact his daughter in quite some time and actively mocks her idea when first meeting her after these months of not giving a shit for her or what she does (her idea that is supposed to save his people from literal death btw).
We see him easily finish Adam off in the finale which begs the question for why he just never cared to do anything before. But it's fine because he's just so silly and goofy and actually cares a lot for Charlie say's the show. That is why he gets to be redeemed in the same episode he appeared in for the first time and no one is allowed to question him because then you're just not nice and understanding.
Lucifer didn't have to like sinners. I think his approach of basically leaving the sinners to their own devices is pretty interesting. But HH wants you to hate Adam and like Lucifer without acknowledging that people who just watch bad stuff being done without doing anything about it are also shitty. And for Lucifer it seems extra shitty because we see he can literally just defeat Adam and he just didn't do anything for this whole time.
Helluva Boss has this problem too where it picks characters it wants you to like and if you don't like them then you're just wrong. And therefore no villian gets to call these characters out without being shown to be either stupid, irrational or mean.
Striker was genuinely interesting and cool when he first appeared. He was an antagonist who had understandable goals that tied in well with the trajectory of the story. The classism in hell's society is a pretty relevant theme for HB. We see that Blitzø has to sleep with Stolas to be able to even do his job and earn a living, we see Imps just being tossed around and abused and hear Stolas say stuff like "impish little plaything" to Blitzø. Striker wanting to take the demons of high rank down to make hell better for the Imps by ending classism made sense and was an interesting take to see. Especially since at that point the show didn't insist on Stolas being this misunderstood good guy who just cares soo much for Blitzø, there was a sense of suspense maybe to watch wether or not Blitzø will go along with Striker or if this interaction might influence how he views his clearly predatory "relationship" with Stolas.
But all of that got thrown out the window because in s2 we just can't have people criticise Stolas, since actually acknowledging the fact that he benefited and actively made use of hells classist system would mean that we wouldn't see him as a poor confused bean anymore and that one might actually think of some of the pretty bad implications the Stolitz relationship has. So now Striker is a completely obvious, self obsessed bad guy who loves himself so much that he monologues about how great he feels when torturing Stolas instead of just killing him while they also gave him a weird gimmick where he doesn't like it when someone makes a sexual remark and gets so upset that he drags out Stolas' killing and gets defeated by Millie and Moxxie because of it (the same guy was established as a great assassin in another episode).
They also removed all the backbone to his ideology. He still talks about Stolas diminishing Imps in "Western Engery" but it lacks any point because they have gone so far with woobifying Stolas that he is presented as sympathetic and Striker as bigoted. Striker also acts like he can't kill Stolas because Stella called off the assassination on him. I get him being upset that he won't get his money for the kill but he still has very clear reasons for why he would want Stolas dead regardless (atleast he had when he was still a cool character). It's not like suddenly not being hired anymore would make a big change for him.
Killing Stolas could have consequences because Stolas is royalty, but these consequences always existed for him even while Stella was requesting the assassination. Stella would obviously not want others to know that she is reponsible for Stolas dying (then again we don't know if that would even matter since demons generally don't care about killing others until it's plot relevant) and the point of an assassin is that people are killed in a way that can't be tracked back to someone, so Striker should also not face issues, especially since he is apparently a really good and threatening ad an assassin.
Striker was interesting until the show decided it liked Stolas too much for people to call him out and be presented as reasonable. Stella was turned into just an abusive, whiny and stupid bitch who just hates Stolas and wants his money instead of acknowledging that she pretty much has the same backstory as Stolas, who we are constantly told to feel bad for because of his childhood (arranged marriage, forced to have a child and a set-up relationship neither of them wanted).
Verosika is really not relevant but usually also falls into the "bitchy and just rude" category because she doesn't like Blitzø (it's not as bad for her as it is with Stella but still). Asmodeus and Fizzarolli where really mean and exposed and embarrassed Stolas and Blitzø publicly. But the next time we see Asmodeus interact with Stolas he is just chill with him? Why? Blitzøs and Fizzarollis relationship was atleast handled in a way and we see him act rude towards Blitzø until they make up. But it still followes the theme of people who dislike Stolas and Blitzø either changing their mind or just being shown to be horrible to make their opinion seem invalid (also notice how these male characters in the story get to be forgiven for how they acted and show different sides to their character while the women are reduced to being bitchy).
Barbie Wire was also handled soo bad. She only appears in the last few minutes of her début episode and never gets to talk about specifically why she doesn't want to have contact with Blitzø in the first place. The focus is mostly on how hurt he is by the fact his Sister wants nothing to do with him, even after he worked soo hard to find her and just wanted to make things right with her soo bad. They also basically made her a groomer which just doesn't help her come off as reasonable at all.
For a show that wants it's main characters to do bad stuff and have to deal with being called out for that it surely doesn't like people actually calling them out.
The double standards applied to the villians as opposed to the "good guys" are also just amazing. Like Millie and Moxxie can complain about Chaz being a bad partner in hindsight, but when Verosika talks about Blitzø being selfish in their relationship it's all about how he feels. Loona literally throwing stuff at Blitzø, hurting him just because he dared to carefully point out a true fact about her behaviour is played for laughs, but Stella abusing Stolas is super duper evil and we all hate her now (not saying it isn't bad but the show shouldn't pick and choose who is funny when abusive and who is evil when abusive). The I.M.P taking out random people because they were paid to is fine, but Striker attacking Stolas after being hired is bad just because he also happens to have a (understandable) motiv for why he would want to do it regardless of his job and because Stolas just so happens to be a main character. Blitzø and Loona commenting on Moxxies weight is funny, but when Mammon remarks that Fizzarolli gained a few pounds he is just bad.
That's just my opinion on some of the antagonists in HH and HB. Mammon is pretty much the only villian I really care for in both shows (also Stella and Striker before they got ruined). I mainly think antagonist are either really underused (Vox, Velvette, Verosika) or were just incredibly mishandled (Adam, Striker, Stella). Part of this post was just an excuse to talk about Jjba tho, which I always love.
#thank you. you summed up a huge aspect of the shows that I absolutely hate#there is so little differentiation between the protagonists and villains behaviorally#and yet you're supposed to root for one side while hating the other... despite the fact they both do the same shit.
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-Reimagined/Redesigned The king of Hell, Lucifer Morningstar OR Lucifer Dawnbringer as imma call him, from Hazbin Hotel out of pure blind SPITE. Saying it now I don't like the show that much, or the creator at all. This was me creating him how I saw him. Especially after I found his character goofy I decided he was my first character to recreate - I already did Vaggie and Alastor idk who to do next maybe Angel or Charlie
-To put it simply he looked so young. If I didn't know who he was l'd think he was Charlie's brother. He also didn't scream "the big bad king of hell" to me. So I made him older, and ginger haired referencing the paintings of the guy. A Halo like crown and wings. Made his hair longer, and kept him relatively " animation friendly " according to some Stan's of the show. And I gave him a beard. Whenever I see the redesigns with a beard I do a flip. I’d think of him as of course a bit brooding, has realistic thoughts with his daughters hotel. However I’d see him as someone who’s interested in the creations his daughter creates. As well as those serious people who find the silliness shit funny, but hides it with a straight face.
Might tweak the outfit a bit
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"average artist designs 3 sexyman-esque characters a year" factoid actually just statistical error. average artist designs 0 sexyman-esque characters a year. Viviziepop, who designs over 10,000 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
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Hartman is an evangelical weirdo who spent most of his career being carried by people who were much more talented than him.
Viv is an abusive workaholic who cannot take criticism.
Claiming that these two awful individuals are in the same league as Don Bluth is an insult to the man’s legacy.
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