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geekgirles · 14 days

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Lady Echo: A Character Analysis

Before we dive in, there's something about me you should know. I'm a TV Tropes truther. That site is my Bible. If a piece of media interests me, then you'd better believe I have visited its TV Tropes page.

And because of that, Echo in particular is a character I've been meaning to talk about for a while now, because I get the feeling people tend to overlook what I feel is the true core of her character at the end of season 3.

As you can see, while other tropes go more into detail about her true motivations behind betraying Oropo, that part of her character ends up being reduced to being a Woman Scorned, and while that certainly applies here, I really don't think that's the trope that best encapsulates her character and her decisions at the end of the season.

A Woman Scorned is essentially any woman who has been wronged by the person she loves and seeks revenge or has at least expressed great anger. And it can go from being cheated on by a partner, or simply being rejected by their love interest and not taking it well. And both heroic and villainous characters can be the ones to break her heart. In fact, Arpagone too would be an example of this trope, as even if her feelings for Ruel are still there, most of her actions are motivated by the pain she feels for his decision to choose money over her.

As you can see, this all fits with Echo's actions and feelings at the end of season 3, but it's very general overall. Which is why, in my humble opinion, Echo is a better example of Love Forgives All but Lust.

This trope is essentially a deconstruction of tropes centred around the appeal bad boys have for women. The thing about women falling for bad boys is that those women tend to know they're bad news, and beyond a desire to be the ones to change them, the real reason that interest is born is because they're attracted to the idea of the bad boy being a jerk to everyone, but them. Love Forgives All but Lust is what happens when the woman is rudely awakened from that delusion.

In other words, when they realise not even they are safe from their partner's worst actions. And what is the best way to have a woman feel betrayed to the point of seeking revenge? Unfaithfulness.

Sure, they will forgive their partner if it turns out he's a serial killer, but if he cheats? Then he's the one who's dead.

And example of Love Forgives All but Lust is when the police is trying to get a mafioso's wife/girlfriend to testify against her lover, but she refuses to cooperate... until she discovers her husband/boyfriend has a lover, then she'll do everything to bring him down.

If you think about it, this is essentially what happened between Echo and Oropo after he revealed he only ever "loved" Amalia. Even if Echo is a much more active player in Oropo's machinations than simply being aware of them, having helped him carry over his plans for centuries as his second-in-command.

After he kissed Amalia and claimed Echo never meant anything to him compared to her, that's when Echo totally lost it. And her subsequent actions are a direct result of his betrayal. It never had anything to do with Echo seeing the error of her ways, as we all know.

Think about it, it wasn't until Oropo chose Amalia over her, after everything they had ever been through, that Echo truly struck. Once it became apparent her lover didn't care for her nearly as much as she cared for him, that's when Echo revealed his true plans: to destroy the gods, he must destroy the World of Twelve and deprive them of followers. In other words, he was willing to commit mass genocide for the sake of his dream.

Moreoever, the fact that she got to reveal the true extent of his plans at all already highlights that only she knew about them. All along, Echo knew what Oropo was planning, the consequences of his dreams, and she never once stopped believing in his cause. Their conversation in episode 6 even going as far as explaining Echo already believed in him and supported his dreams before ever falling for him, meaning she can't even excuse her actions by saying her feelings blinded her. Because she was perfectly aware of Oropo's plans all along.

And yet, that didn't stop her from loving him. If anything, it was only another reason she fell in love with him.

No, it wasn't until Oropo broke her heart that she ever went against him.

If you ask me, this all reads as Echo not minding Oropo's most questionable tendencies because she was convinced she was exempt from ever being at the receiving end of his worst actions. After all, she had been by his side the longest, witnessing how he got rid of demigods that failed to meet his standards or were no longer useful (going with what the show claims, I haven't read Ogrest's manga). It wasn't until he kissed Amalia and shoved her aside that Echo realised not even she was safe from him.

And it was because Oropo had had no qualms to screw her over that Echo decided it was her turn to screw him over. And hence, she revealed his plans to the Brotherhood of the Forgotten, not because she'd seen the error of her ways, but because Oropo had hurt her and she wanted to make him bleed in turn.

In the end, Echo's actions weren't fuelled solely by revenge or even jealousy, they were fuelled by the bitter realisation that she never meant as much to Oropo as he meant to her. It was about realising he had no qualms hurting her, not about how he had no qualms hurting anyone else.

It was about Echo not being enough for Oropo.

And for me, that's why Echo is a better example of Love Forgives All but Lust.

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life-set-to-random · 6 months

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That’s my girl, heehee. 😉 I’m spiteful like that too.

#usagi yojimbo #miyamoto usagi #my childhood #stan sakai #UY Chizu #stay salty #get even #woman scorned

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scorpioandthefrog · 9 months

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If you aren’t listening to the Crane Wives you SHOULD because they have a song (Tongues & Teeth from the album Fool in her Wedding Dress) that goes

“I know that you mean so well

But I am not a vessel for your good intent”

And it’s so incredible and powerful and resonates with me

#crane wives #tongues & teeth #i know that you mean so well #but I am not a vessel for your good intent #woman scorned

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deviantjenny2 · 7 months

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You deleted years of my work without warning . . . and I will NEVER forgive you.

#fuck you tumblr #hell hath no fury #woman scorned

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losahoma-prints · 1 year

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A recent screen print inspired by my favorite American traditional tattoo.

Currently 40% off on my shop.

#tattoo #print #art #screenprinting #trust no one #betrayal #artists on tumblr #American traditional #printmaking #Etsy #etsystore #etsyshop #artist #portrait #woman #woman scorned #LosahomaPrints

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r-ellistine · 1 year

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You're so shallow there's nothing underneath.

I fucking hate you for what you’ve done to me.

You treated me like we were enemies.

Used me for everything and anything in between.

If I ever see you again I'll spit at your feet.

I will not bow down, you will not defeat.

So, fuck our past and fuck our history.

Looking back it was all just misery.

Written by: R. Ellistine

December 2022

#breakup #poetry #cheating boyfriend #liarsandcheaters #woman scorned

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silveragelovechild · 2 years

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The cliff-hanger at the end of Stranger Things Season 4 Part 1 - it was shocking!

To learn that Sheriff Hopper and Steve Harrington have being secret lovers since season 2 will be heart breaking to Joyce Byers and Nancy Wheeler! If they think the Demi-Gorgon is vicious, wait until they have to battle a woman scorned!!!

#stranger things 4 #cliff hanger #sheriff hopper #Steve Harrington #Joe Keery #David Harbour #secret Lovers #heart broken #woman scorned #Demi-gorgon

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ventingblog4me · 20 days

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#woman scorned #love #coward #guarded #walls

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lonelinessfollowsme · 3 months

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"Heav'n has no rage, like love to hatred turn'd / Nor Hell a fury, like a woman scorn'd."

William Congreve, in his 1697 tragedy, The Mourning Bride.

#woman #scorned #woman scorned #hell #fury

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yaoifan20forgoodgirl28 · 8 months

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#yaoifan20forgoodgirl28 #fifi la fume #she skunk #pretty girl #jealous girl #woman scorned #flirty girl #femme fatale

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ce-ayr-blog · 1 year

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The Shot - Carrot Ranch

Artwork by Phil Burns The Carrot Ranch Challenge:In 99 words (no more, no less), write a story inspired by “Shots fired”. Click here to hear the author read his words: The ShotI hear a gunshot.Through the gloom I see a figure slumped against my car.I run towards it, my eyes sweeping the area.Nothing.As sirens approach, I recognise the pale, huddled form.And struggle to breathe.It is Val, the…

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#99 words #bang bang #carrot ranch #flash fiction #gunshot #loved and left #short story #sonny and cher #sound bite fiction #warm gun #woman scorned

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orionchildofhades · 3 months

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Andrew Minyard, Literature Major ("Hell hath no fury" , "Jean Valjean") getting a PhD just to piss off Aaron so they're both Dr. Minyard is just--

#William Congreve (1670-1729)#an English playwright and poet. The entire quote reads #“Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned #Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned #The Mourning Bride #jean valjean #from Les Miserables de Victor Hugo #aftg #all for the game #andreil #andrew minyard #twinyards #aaron minyard #they're so stupid #and smart #and andrew is so dramatic for quoting so much shit

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mikasasrippedtoenail · 15 days

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Why is the moral dichotomy always placed upon women? Why is it only women that have to be pious and self righteous? Why are women supposed to be kind and nurturing while men are supposed to be intelligent and daring? Why can't women be mischievous and loud? Why can't women be human?

#To err is woman #Women are not some divine creatures that will always be perfect #Be a little dirty sometimes #be annoying #Be angry #Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned #radblr #rad fem #radical feminist safe #terfsafe #female seperatism #radical feminists do interact #radical feminists do touch #radical feminism #trans exclusionary radical feminist #women are the superior sex #Women are human #Men are pests

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mickules · 1 year

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This is FINE

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There's more than one reason why he's known as the 'Demon Cop'

Look this is 100% self gratifying crack. Based on my own 100% genuine experience:

I have a large tattoo, across my chest, shoulder blades and back. So, I was fairly resigned to the fact I'd probably never get to go to a public bath whilst visiting my friend in Japan, fair enough. One day however, she says she'd found a bath that allowed tattoos, and not just tiny ones that could be hidden by a plaster. So I go, very excited, and end up round the back of an area with a lot of signs advertising SoapIands and LoveHoteIs. I explain in the shakiest Japanese to the lady manning the counter that I have a large tattoo and she waves me in nonplussed. Pretty much every man there is covered in tattoos. Whilst I was drying my hair, one of them tries to ask me something but my Japanese was no where near good enough to answer. When I get back my friend seemed a little worried and then confesses that she'd found out, after I'd left, that she'd sent me to a yakuza bathhouse.

I wish I was able to understand what that man was trying to say to me.

also, the bonus aftermath:

And this is how I choose to enter 2023

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pipartuuli · 7 months

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Kloktober 2023 Day 7 - Missing AOTD scene

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They'd let him get too close. They'd been so focused on Nathan's injuries - serious injuries, enough to have downed the vocalist - that none of Dethklok had noticed one of Salacia's fanatical devotees creeping close, machete in hand, raising it in preparation to strike--!

CRACK!

The would-be assassin, sporting a new fist-sized hole in the center mass of his torso courtesy of the buckshot that had ripped its way through him, collapsed onto the snow with a soft thud, dead. The four still-conscious members of Dethklok wheeled around to determine the source of the gunshot. There on the ridge were two familiar figures: Nathan's mother and father. Rose, her entire five-foot-two frame trembling with maternal rage, still held a double barreled shotgun leveled, ready to fire another round if their attacker dared to show any residual signs of life.

Over the cacophony of the battle raging behind them, the band could just make out her battlecry: "Not my baby you don't, you bastard!"

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Would have LOVED to see the parents in the final battle! Could totally see them all cresting the ridge, holding various makeshift weapons. They might not always be the best parents or easiest to get along with, but no one - NO ONE - touches their babies, dammit!!

#my art #tuulidraws #metalocalypse #mtl #rose explosion #oscar explosion #army of the doomstar #kloktober2023 #hell hath no fury like a florida woman scorned #full mama bear mode #oscar gonna put them new balances so far up salacias ass he'll taste rubber

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ambeauty · 10 days

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I don’t need a jealous Syd. What I need is Carmy constantly picking the restaurant (Sydney) over Claire. If they stay together after the fridgecident until Claire realizes that maybe the restaurant (Sydney) is really what he cares about and maybe she forced herself on a person who she thought she knew but really doesn’t know at all. It might be a nasty breakup because Carmy doesn’t realize why giving all of his focus and attention to the restaurant (Sydney) is a problem and he’s just trying to please the both of them and if Claire doesn’t get that then maybe she should leave him alone. Claire is like this is not about the restaurant. It’s never been about the restaurant. It’s always been about Sydney….

#Hehehehe🤭🤭🤭#I really don’t see anything messy and dramatic like this happening #but all s2 was quite messy and dramatic #also after this that’s when Carmen starts to blatantly realize it’s always been Sydney #sydcarmy #the Bear s3 delusions #like if we gonna have to sit with Claire again give her a backbone PLEASE #make her realize she was wrong for inserting herself into a situationship #yall stay trying to make Sydney this scorned woman when she just tryna do her job #sydney adamu #carmy berzatto #Claire no last name

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