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mineonmain · 1 year
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waitmyturtles · 1 year
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Okay friends, everyone get your spoiler tag filter on, please, because we’re doing this: The Eighth Sense, episodes 7 and 8.
Let’s establish ground rule #1 first: Eun Ji and Tae Hyung, go fuck yourselves.
Ground rule #2: Ae Ri and Joon Pyo, MVPs.
(Ground rule #3: This all might still be Fight Club-dreamlike shit -- I am still holding out a bet that we might be getting punked, but I’m analyzing this right now as if it’s not in Jae Won’s head.)
In these rules, I want to note @respectthepetty‘s excellent post on tradition in this show. Especially in episode 7, we saw:
1) Eun Ji and Tae Hyung demanding of the freshman that they respect their sunbaenims, despite the DESPICABLE behavior of the seniors (except for sweet Yoon Won, wub you). 
2) A procedural demonstration by the disciplinary committee to potentially punish Jae Won for giving Tae Hyung what he fucking deserved punching Tae Hyung.
3) Jae Won’s teacher bringing Jae Won back to his chaebol responsibilities and covering his ass for needing to narc on Jae Won.
4) We see Ae Ri in episode 7, and Ji Hyun in episode 8, POPPIN’ OFF AT THE DAMN SENIORS, SNAPPING BACK.
AND, AND: We see the utterly lovely boss of the restaurant encouraging Ji Hyun. This’ll play into my analysis of Ji Hyun and Jae Won’s final conversation at the end of episode 8 in a second, but for now:
What does that boss represent? 
SHE REPRESENTS A BREAK FROM TRADITION.
She’s a divorcée. An older lady, maybe even an ahjumma, who got divorced, and set out for Seoul on her own, and opened her own business.
And she’s telling Ji Hyun: you’re in love? Well. GO GET YOUR MAN. Stop living in fear. Young people living in fear these days, the birth rate is low. GO HAVE FUN. COJONES, HONEY. GO LIVE AN HONEST LIFE.
And Ji Hyun is hearing this AFTER he sassed the HELL out of fucking Eun Ji! So we know he has it in him to go out and sass and fight for what he wants. No more mouse -- it’s superman time.
So, okay, putting this all together. It’s been about a month since Jae Won and Ji Hyun’s surf trip. There was indeed a life-threatening accident, and Ji Hyun is fine. Jae Won disappeared after Ji Hyun woke up. Jae Won wasn’t at school. I assume, as I did previously at other points in his life, that Jae Won may have needed to be hospitalized. He’s severely depressed. People like his professor and fucking Tae Hyung keep reminding Jae Won of his lineage and chaebol responsibilities. 
Ji Hyun comes back a changed man. “Physically, I’m better.” He sasses Eun Ji, he comes out to Joon Pyo. He’s being ignored by Jae Won now.
Ji Hyun drinks against the advice of his doctors. At the end of the episode, he tells Jae Won that he might be going crazy, thinking about Jae Won. He wants to know if what happened on the surf trip was real.
Jae Won’s in denial, Jae Won is walking away from it all. 
What I UTTERLY LOVE ABOUT THIS SHOW is that NOTHING IS DUALISTIC HERE.
Ji Hyun is changed, yes, but also saying things and doing things that are concerning, à la Jae Won from earlier (is Ji Hyun on meds after the accident? is that why the doctors said to avoid drinking?)
But I’m still pumped for him. I don’t believe he’s despondent after Jae Won walks away at the end of episode 8. I think Ji Hyun is still determined to get his man. I just don’t want him to lose his mind over it.
Jae Won is just...done. Cooked. All of this was likely just too much for him to take. (Besides the accident, I’ll include fucking Eun Ji inserting herself back into Jae Won’s life and saying they’re going out. GURL. CHECK YOURSELF.) He even stopped going to his therapist for a hot second. (Oh, dear @emotionallychargedtowel, I SO WANT TO KNOW what you think of the therapist in episode 7, LOL! I CANNOT BELIEVE what the therapist said this time about her rent, ha! I’m in shock!)
Jae Won is just back and forth, in and out of reality, still in his dreamlike state. He goes toward Ji Hyun, he retreats. Like a wave.
I take their engagement to be a balancing between the two of them. What’s pulling them together, like the tide, and what’s separating them, like an opposite magnetic force. 
Kind of like that agwa shot the boys took at that cocktail bar (sounds like something I need to try the next time I’m in Vegas, ha). The two liquids of an agwa shot aren’t supposed to meet until they’re mixed together in one’s mouth, giving off fireworks and energy. Now THAT’S a sassy read for Ji Hyun and Jae Won, ha, but: that bartender was making a point. You don’t let the liquids mix until you force them to do so.
What’ll be the force to make Jae Won meet Ji Hyun, to make them mix? Could it be an unavoidable gravitational pull that makes waves hit the beach? Could it be the beginnings of the breaks from tradition that Ji Hyun is beginning to represent? 
Could it be that Ji Hyun himself might break from reality, as he might be teasing at the end of episode 8? Is that what it’s going to take for Jae Won to meet Ji Hyun?
It might be. It might take something drastic to snap Jae Won out of this. I don’t know what it’ll take, but I think, I THINK, what we’re seeing is a gearing up of Ji Hyun to take control of his destiny. I THINK. 
BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVE NO IDEA, DESPITE ALL THESE WONDERFUL CLUES AND METAPHORS AND COLORS AND FONTS AND CHARACTERS AND MUSIC. And frankly, I don’t care at this point, because no matter what, this show is still SPECTACULAR, and analyzing it from sun-up to sundown is fucking phenomenally fun. 
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starsickkk · 10 months
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Teen Vogue Excerpt – Why Queer Characters in LGBTQ Movies and BL Dramas Find Solace at the Beach
BY K-CI WILLIAMS JUNE 29, 2023
The Eighth Sense, a BL drama from South Korea, lives and dies by the beach. Oh Jun-taek plays Jihyun, a college student from a small town who struggles to acclimatize to metropolitan Seoul. When Jihyun joins the surfing club, he bonds with his senior, Jaewon, played by Im Ji-sub. As they fall in love, the beach becomes their spot for sleeping under the stars and even kissing in the ocean. “The beach is kind of like a tool that connects us,” Ji-sub tells Teen Vogue over Zoom, in his native Korean. Jun-taek adds that the “beach is very wide but Jihyun has been living in a world that has been very small,” and although “the ocean itself is very cold, the ocean was actually very warm for Jihyun.” It’s a site of transformation for them both, just as water metamorphoses between its forms.
Ji-sub names the beach as a “special spot” for Jaewon, “where he can relax and heal mentally as well.” Jaewon’s younger brother tragically passed away a number of years before we meet him in the series, and the trauma still sits with him. “I didn't realize how broad a range of emotions can be felt when you love someone until I played the character Jaewon, because it's something that I personally didn't experience,” Ji-sub says. Jaewon welcomes Jihyun into his place of significance, illuminating his dark spaces and ultimately bringing the pair together.
Jun-taek alludes to the title of the series, recalling our senses as human beings. Interoception, often called the eighth sense, is the brain’s perception of the body’s state, thanks to signals transmitted from our internal organs. Understanding these signals can help us regulate our physical and emotional state, though at the same time, trauma can inhibit those pathways. “The beach kiss scene was the sequence [in which] someone with pain and bad memories, PTSD in the past, turns into love and being healed by Jihyun,” Jun-taek says. “Although you have bad memories or trauma…you can be healed. Do not remain, do not stay with the pain.”
Inu Baek, one half of The Eighth Sense’s writer/director duo, attributes the beach to a specific cultural symbolism. He refers to the United Nations Human Rights Committee’s 2015 advice for South Korea to adopt comprehensive protections for all citizens, which would prohibit discrimination against the queer community. “We have not been able to enact the anti-discrimination law in Korea yet,” Inu tells Teen Vogue. He wanted to “give the Korean audience a message because Korea has experienced lots of disasters in the ocean” that are still ever-present traumas for citizens, such as the Sewol ferry tragedy — the show even pays tribute to those lost with a covertly placed yellow ribbon. “The beach symbolizes the hope of the harmony of this country,” Inu says.
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A still from The Eighth Sense. COURTESY OF THE EIGHTH SENSE
The show’s other writer/director is Werner du Plessis, who offers the beach as a representation of “the ebb and flow of relationships, the way that they move, the way that they’re never consistent,” but also a “space that is simultaneously peaceful, while being extremely dangerous, like the ocean is such an unknown.” And also, quicksand exists. Intrinsic to our genesis as queer people is navigating identity, from day dot. As the intersection of two worlds, toeing the line between who society expects us to be and who we truly are inside, the beach is “such a beautiful metaphor for queer people,” Werner says, “because it’s exactly the way that we’re designed.��
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pickletrip · 9 months
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The Eighth Sense
Episode 10: We have to give it a try
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Title card credit @blmpff
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dekaydk · 1 year
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The Eighth Sense
Episodes 9 and 10
SPOILERS AHEAD
If you haven't seen the whole thing: what are you doing here go watch it and come back later I beg of you.
STORY AND CHARACTER
First of all, I was relieved that Ep 9 didn't start out with Ji Hyun in despair. (Or, as so many other BLs do, spending time on the character Having The Bigtime Sads Because His True Love Maybe Isn't Who He Thought, Even Though He Really Ought to Know Otherwise If He Had Even Three Brain Cells to His Name.) Ji Hyun believes that the truth is that Jae Won does care, does want him, and is beginning to understand just how much Jae Won's rejection isn't about him. Ae Ri first ridicules him for buying into Eun Ji's line, because obviously anything that Eun Ji says is going to be self-serving if not an outright lie. Then Ae Ri gets him to examine the problem, and, because Ji Hyun is bright and not suffering from trope-driven stupidity, the light goes on pretty quickly.
Ji Hyun having awakened to the realization that he wasn't seeing the whole problem (thanks to Ae Ri) and then THINKING about what to do and how to do it in such a way as to say "I see you, I want you to have what you want in life, and I want to send this message in such a way as to make it entirely about you and your needs while underscoring the fact that I fucking care about you." That simple gift of a basic camera did exactly that, and then he walked away! Others might have gone on to "now that I've shown you how nice I am, you owe me, so start talking." He left because he knows that the right thing to do is to make the gesture and, because the other person needs the space, let the other person be able to reflect and not add pressure. There's no way Jae Won can interpret this as anything other than "no pressure; take your time." Take note, people: this is how relationships are built and SUSTAINED.
The therapist calling Jae Won on his selfishness was, I would argue, necessary. While it's true that generally speaking therapists are trying to get you to come to your own realizations, sometimes the bullshit needs a knife, not a spatula. Then you have Ji Hyun's boss who took a spoon to Jae Won's head bullshit, blowing open the realization door that the therapist unlatched. (The reader is invited to improve this overdone metaphor.)
After Ji Hyun leaves the surf club room, the cut to suddenly seeing Yoon Won break down made me wonder if this was later and she was alone, but then Jae Won snaps into being present, of showing who he is and caring for his friend. This is clearly a moment where being sunk in depression and denial will not do and he rises to the occasion. This felt like one of the elements of breaking his walls down, along with the therapist and Ji Hyun's boss.
Ji Hyun sending the Conor Gray song was spot on both emotionally for the viewer and for Jae Won's crumbling walls. "Do you want to be these characters?" Also another perfect soundrack moment.
Watching Jae Won flip to happy made me wonder how much of it was deciding to discard the mask, to accept Ji Hyun's love, and whether he wasn't on the meds (whatever they were). I don't suppose it matters, but to the people saying it was too sudden, you have never been in that particular situation of depression/heavy medication/self-denial and had a breakthrough. Of course he is going to be happy and even a little giddy. For all we know, happy and giddy was his normal state before his brother's death.
Eun Ji did not once show any concern for Jae Won. It was all about what she wanted both in the moment (let's eat, let's go to a hotel for the night) and more tactically (let's fuck with Ji Hyun's head) in the larger context of Jae Won just being to her a trophy boyfriend and eventually a rich husband, not a real human. With a single exception she was selfish, mean, and manipulative.
Tae Hyung has his own selfishness problem. He envies Jae Won for lots of things: his looks, his money, the ease in which he moves in social situations, without apparently realizing he could be more successful socially if he tried operating from a position of being nice instead of aggressive, and that the money apparently comes at an appalling price in controlling/abusive behavior from (at least) Jae Won's father. I got more than a little sense that Tae Hyung's resentful behavior stems from a wish to be closer to Jae Won both emotionally and physically (yes I went there but him wanting Jae Won physically is not required to make this point stand), and Tae Hyung's inability to love himself and be good to others is exactly the most alienating thing about him.
Jae Won apologized for his single real offense against Tae Hyung (and sorta with Eun Ji) and in so doing let go of the hurt, let go of any resentment, and moved on. I've seen people call this simping: bullshit. It's fucking HEALTHY. He has removed their power, he has made it so he can be around them without their presence causing stress. He won't let them treat him badly again because if the depression isn't in control and he no longer needs the mask, it means they have no leverage. (And we know that Ji Hyun won't let that happen either!) Also, let's face it: there was a touch of shade in his approach to them. (Deservedly.)
Having gone through all this, Eun Ji and Tae Hyung might each become a better person over time but it's gonna be a serious uphill battle for both of them.
CINEMATOGRAPHY AND STAGING
Others will no doubt talk about this in much more detail and more knowledgeably (@respectthepetty and @wen-kexing-apologist especially) so I'm just going to hit on a few points.
In general the cinematography inn these episodes became more conventional because it no longer had to convey the difficulties Jae Won was in. Pretty obvious.
The camera giving scene had both actors made up (? maybe it's camera/editing) to look a little pale/wan.
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Something I loved: as Jae Won approached Ji Hyun's dorm, the golden light on Jae Won was wonderful (and made Ji Sub even more gorgeous) and then to see Ji Hyun lit the same way…damn these men are so very nice to look at.
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The cycling through the colors as they embraced was presumably intended to be evocative of the colors before, or even just a suggestion of color re-entering Jae Won's life, but I would have equally loved to see it shot just in that golden light still.
The other was of course the scene in Ji Hyun's bed where they're just cuddling. Delightful.
Extra touches
Did anyone notice the little "neon" rainbow on Ji Hyun's nightstand? It was just showing a tiny bit this time; this is how I figured out early in the series that he wasn't going to go through a "am I or am I not" phase. (Go back to early episodes and it's always been there.)
MUSIC
Once again the music DELIVERED. The Conan Grey song, of course, but the instrumentals are great (and I cannot identify some of them, especially the piano/cello piece used as the end credits a few times, driving me crazy; it could be that these were composed for the film so aren't in any Soundhound et. al. databases). Were it not for the licensing costs, an official soundtrack would probably make decent money.
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lgbtally4ever · 1 year
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THE EIGHTH SENSE
So eloquent in its writing and characterizations. So touching, deep, and sensitive. So wonderfully filmed, scored, acted, directed, and, of course, written.
Thank you 🙏
Werner du Plessis &
Inu Baek.
Thank you, Producer
Jeong-Hyuk Moon.
Thank you 🙏 Stars
Im Ji sub &
Oh Jun taek,
Lee Mi ra, et al.
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NO SPOILERS!!!!
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ahsung · 1 year
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We are dating. And as for me, I'm happy to have someone I can call my boyfriend. And I'm happier because it's you. You're cheesy. I'm sorry. I won't make you sad again.
THE EIGHTH SENSE (2023) dir. Inu Baek & Werner du Plessis
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dingyuxi · 1 year
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THE EIGHTH SENSE 여덟 번째 감각 (2023) dir. Baek Inu and Werner Du Plessis
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jimmysea · 1 year
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THE EIGHTH SENSE 여덟 번째 감각 (2023) dir. Baek Inu and Werner Du Plessis
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krystaljungs · 1 year
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THE EIGHTH SENSE (여덟 번째 감각) dir. Baek Inu and Werner Du Plessis (2023).
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fydramas · 1 year
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THE EIGHTH SENSE (여덟 번째 감각) dir. Inu Baek and Werner Du Plessis
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mineonmain · 1 year
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The Eighth Sense Ep 9 aka...
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...this is basically what happened right
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tomystars · 1 year
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TO MY STAR: OUR UNTOLD STORIES (2022) dir. Hwang Da Seul  
THE EIGHTH SENSE (2023) dir. Werner Du Plessis, Inu Baek
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starsickkk · 1 year
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a couple more replies i found interesting:
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the crimes i would commit for a 4k director's cut...
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pickletrip · 9 months
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The Eighth Sense
Episode 9: What is the truth?
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My heart broke when Ji Hyun saw Eun Ji kissing Jae Won. But you know what, he is a mature person unlike Eun Ji who kept lying to Jae Won about what happened when he was serving in the Navy. Bitch, he knows what you did. He had the decency to just break it off with you and let you go. But no, she kept pestering him. Serves her right, now that she knows Jae Won already saw her cheating on him.
My lil boy Ji Hyun knows that Jae Won still loves him, but he needs time and he needs to figure out his life. That time and space apart helped them both draw closer at the end. The way their eyes light up when they see each other is so beautiful.
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alwayspining · 2 months
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This kiss deserves a place here pt. 7
The Eighth Sense (2023) l ep 9 l dir. Inu Baek & Werner du Plessis
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