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battlekidx2 · 3 months

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Hazbin Hotel - Vaggie Finale Thoughts

My thoughts on Vaggie are… complicated. I think the last two episodes of season 1 do a really good job with her and I love the beats her character hits, but the rest of the season didn’t build up to some of these beats the way they should have to make all of them hit as hard as they could.

I’m just going to jump right in to explain what I mean.

Vaggie’s role in episode 7 where she has to go convince Carmilla to help them face the angels is at its core fantastic and the song that they get together is a banger, but the basis for this song– that Vaggie is being driven by vengeance and has to fight for love instead– rings hollow.

Everything Vaggie has done this season has been for love. She’s been nothing but supportive of Charlie, putting all her effort into the hotel and Charlie’s mission. Her song and arc in episode 3 surround Vaggie’s belief and love for Charlie. Vaggie fighting for love has never been the central issue of her character because she’s been doing it all along.

I like the idea of Vaggie being driven by vengeance, considering how brutally Lute mutilated her and how she was cast out of heaven for the “horrible” offense of hesitating to kill a child this would make sense for her character, but this wasn’t shown at any point prior to this song.

Where was this thirst for vengeance when she came face to face with Adam and Lute in the hotel room? Where was Vaggie’s anger at heaven when Charlie was calling out their hypocrisy? At what point in this season did Vaggie choose vengeance over her love and support for Charlie?

If vengeance was what was really driving her character then Vaggie would be pushing Charlie to call out heaven. She would take some impulsive actions to strike back that put Charlie’s goals in danger. She wouldn’t be the one telling Charlie to keep a cool head or singing about supporting Charlie no matter what.

This is the issue that’s been plaguing Vaggie this entire season. So much of her character has been tell rather than show. We were told by Husk that Vaggie hates herself. We were told by Carmilla that Vaggie was driven by vengeance. When Vaggie is faced with the decision to support Charlie against heaven or side with heaven to keep her secret the narrative lets Vaggie just not make a choice.

She doesn’t get to show her character and flaws through her actions. At least not the ones the show says she has.

I think this problem is a bit more obvious because when the show does build up something with her character it is really good.

Vaggie being the one to reach out to and convince Carmilla to help their cause is a great beat. We see early on that Vaggie isn’t a people person. She has trouble trusting and/or inspiring others, but here we get to see her reach out to and connect with someone else, and it's through this understanding the two have that she is able to get Carmilla to help her (by training her to fight angels) and the hotel (by providing weapons).

This exact struggle is also reflected in the moments with the hotel residents. Throughout the season Vaggie has always come across as being on their level. Charlie is well-meaning, but because of her privileged upbringing she has a very black and white view of redemption and struggles to deal with the more serious mental health issues that the hotel residents face. Whereas Vaggie is more jaded and has made massive mistakes in the past.

The other hotel residents can understand her struggle to do the right thing and redeem herself, which is why it was impactful to have Vaggie be the one to let them know that they can leave and that she’s the first one to see that they stayed. It emphasized the connection between them.

Vaggie’s fight with Lute was also amazing. Lute was the angel that cast her out, ripping out her eye and cutting off her wings. There’s a personal connection there that makes this battle investing. The way their battle ends really emphasizes the conflict between Charlie and heaven in episode 6 by showing that Vaggie, someone cast out of heaven, is more worthy of heaven and angel wings than Lute, Adam’s right-hand woman, through her decision to choose love over hate and spare Lute’s life.

It’s these moments that show the full potential that Vaggie has as a character and put the moments that they fumbled in stark contrast.

I really like this show, but I do think it has flaws. Vaggie’s character is a prime example of how the pacing of this season made certain character arcs suffer.

I'm hopeful that the show can improve on some of these issues now that it officially has a season 2 and that it was the biggest animated release on Amazon Prime (which is impressive because The Legend of Vox Machina had the massive already established fanbase of critical role watching it). I really enjoyed watching this season week to week and can’t wait for what they have in store for us next.

Side note: The moment where Vaggie spared Lute is where she should have gotten her angel wings and specifically she should have gotten Lute’s angel wings. This would just heighten the thematic importance of this moment and show through Vaggie’s mercy– the very thing that got her kicked out of the exorcists– she has shown that she is more worthy of being an angel than Lute. I can’t take credit for this. I heard it from Sarcastic Chorus.

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel vaggie #vaggie #vaggie vs lute #carmilla carmine #angel dust #husk #sir pentious #the show must go on #hello rosie #I love this show #it's so much fun #I like vaggie's character

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teamfortresstwo · 3 months

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Hear me out but villains / protagonist swap au . Where . Adam and Charlie get swapped .

#Like okay !! So basically Adam wants to rehab the sinners cause he’ll keeps getting shittier and shittier with its overpopulation problem #and seemingly no one is doing anything about it . But Charlie doesn’t want to because in this au she’s a sadist and enjoys seeing them suffe #r! it’s like entertainment to her ! (guitar solo fuck yeah!) and then Lute can be swapped with Vaggie (honestly if the angel Vaggie theory #turns out right then they feel like they’d make good parallels for one another) then a few wayward sinners take a chance on the hotel that #Adam managed to set up (Charlie doesn’t believe it’ll work anyways so she’s fine with it happening) and among those sinners are the three Vs #! Vox & Al are swapped (obvs) Va and Angel are swapped (kinda iffy on this cause . I don’t want to make Angel a predator nor do I want to #victimize Val given . who he is.) and Velvette can have Nifty’s role ! somewhat conflicted on who j should swap with Husk and Nifty though #I guess the Vs don’t necessarily need specific swaps . they can just fill the roles of ‘sinners who help around / stay at the hotel ‘#in the same way the og protagonists might not have to be the exact same flavor of evil #just still be antagonists

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hazbinnez · 8 days

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i really want to see a fight between seraphim in the next seasons

#more fights between people of similar strengths in general really #vaggie vs lute was so much fun #i still enjoyed adam vs everyone and lucifer vs adam but it was kinda obvious who was gonna win there #hazbin hotel

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sidsinning · 2 months

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I love how different killing is in heaven vs. hell

Lute kills with her superiority complex on full display flaunting her power over Vaggie, threatening her, berating her, announcing one final kill count; she's really milking it

Meanwhile killing which is commonplace in hell

Prison shank idek if you got caught slippin that's on you pal bye another day another dollar

Morning routine shit

We got no grace here just blood n guts man

#hazbin hotel #lute #nifty #sidrabbles

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ms-cartoon · 3 months

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Normally, when I see posts like this, I ignore it cuz it's nothing serious to argue over, but I just feel like giving some fair points about it.

I can agree that not every single episode has to revolve around Charlie. There are still some characters we are curious about and want to dive into, but here's the thing;

The problem is we're already 4 eps in and most of them hardly contain Charlie and the plot of the whole show, not to mention they're fast-paced with the show cramming in new characters and the plot containing them as much as possible without even taking the time. Our 4th episode in and we already have Adam, Lute, Vox, Valentino, Velvette, Camilla (her daughters included), Zestial, the other overlords, etc. All these characters and we're not even in episode 5 yet!! I'm surprised Cherri Bomb hasn't even shown up! She was in the pilot and had a whole speaking role and everything while the three Vees and the Overlords didn't.

EP 1: Charlie takes her father's place in having a meeting with the Angels meanwhile Vaggie tries to make a commercial about the hotel with the assistance of the staff. Okay, we were off to an alright start. Though I wish the ep didn't go back and forth with Charlie and Vaggie. I feel like 1 half of the ep should've been about one person while the other half focused on another.

EP 2: The three Vs are introduced. We see that Vox and Alastor hate each other and he, along with Val and Vel, figure out a way to keep Charlie from ever striking a deal with Alastor. Why they are trying to do this? I dunno, it's never explained really. They get Sir Pentious to spy on Charlie and Alastor by seeming to Charlie that he's interested in rehabilitation. Meanwhile, Angel's feeling all upset about it and we're given a hint at him and what his relationship is like with Valentino. (Charlie was present, but overall, this episode was not about her).

EP 3: Alastor arrives at a meeting with the other overlords (Camilla n them). It's a meeting about . . . Idk, it was a meeting. Velvette comes in and reveals she's found the head of one of the exorcists which is a shock to Camilla (because she secretly was the one that killed the exorcist). Meanwhile, Vaggie tries to help Charlie figure out how the staff can have trust and bond with each other. (This episode kinda involves Charlie, but we're mainly focused on Vaggie and how she feels she doesn't do much for her. Crazy thing is someone apart from Viv or Adam wrote this and much better than either of them could write a page.)

EP 4: We immediately jump into the Angel Dust arc where we focus on him and his situation dealing with Valentino. Meanwhile, he continuously argues with Husk but then they make up and become friends in the end. (Charlie's only there for the first half of the episode while just barely being there for the second. Aside from that, this episode wasn't about her at all.)

Y'all see what I mean?

Also, Viv said that Hazbin Hotel was a female-focused show where it is centered around Charlie and even Vaggie, so of course we're gonna expect more of them instead of the rest of the characters.

#hazbin hotel critique #vivziepop critical #vivziepop #hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin critique #hazbin criticism #hazbin critical #hazbin charlie #charlie morningstar

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petitprincess1 · 3 months

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Lute vs Vaggie. Jessica Vosk does an awesome job of portraying how deranged and insanely driven Lute can be. Like this girl is okay with ripping off her arm just to kill one person. And I don't need to gush about Beatriz! What a queen!

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel spoilers #lute #vaggie #hazbin hotel lute #hazbin hotel vaggie #the show must go on #video

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chaggiehearts · 2 months

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Vaggie Vs Lute fight

#hazbin hotel #vaggie #lute #fallenwings #vaggute #luggie #? whatever

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sampsonstorm-critical · 3 months

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So. I DID watch Hazbin Hotel. And oh boy. So I'm going to give my critique on the show.

"antagonists and supporting" Characters- A bit better than Helluva. Studio oversight curbed some stuff. The characters somewhat had their own personalities in their dialogue. Some characters I thought could be cut out. I'm sorry but Sir Pentious is one of them. He's too cartoony even for this universe. He's annoying on the level jar jar binx was in star wars. Same with Mimzy. I think they could've done much better with Adam, but they just made him a dude bro? I did like the Seraphim sisters. Lute was just a bitchy, cynical, anime antagonist. Nifty was a bit aggravating too on the same level as Sir Pentious. I liked Husk as a character. Lucifer being a crushed dreamer fallen angel was actually interesting however his take on his people that he rules? Now if he was actively choosing to punish them himself using hells tools, it would be one thing? But he just has depression??? I guess? After thousands of years? Instead of trying to reconnect with his daughter, he just Mopes??? Like a sad boy??? No. Sorry. You lost me. Cherry Bomb? Meh. She's pretty shallowly written.

Now!

Main Characters -

Charlie- I hate her. I hate how fucking useless she is. She's the main protagonist for fucks sake. Now if she started like this and actually got better as the story went along in season 1, then alright. But she just gets her ass kicked and daddy has to save her skin. Way to take away her independence as a character.

Vaggie- I like Vaggies premise, but I hate the way her arc is executed. And the fact that she lets Lute live??? I'm sorry? WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?! No way. No how. Someone like her from a military background, or hells backdrop would let someone as callous as Lute live.

Alastor - he's my favorite character but, it's not his show. And it feels like it is. I love Alastor, he's the only entertainment I get from this show for the most part.

Angel - he's a characature. He is a walking stereotype. I know many people like him including the hypersexuality. Angel dust unless written for plot specific purposes only, is a very selfish unredeemable person. I'm sorry. He's being raped, and he still sexually harasses other people, knowing how it makes him feel? Now this would be great if we weren't supposed to feel bad for him right away, because it would show how abused can become abusers even if they don't mean too. And that could've been part of his arc to becoming a better person. But no.

The Vs - I like Vox. He's written to be genuinely manipulative, charismatic, and intimidating. I like Velvet too. I wish we knew anything about her. Valentino is written to be a villain, but some of his more childish moments are a bit of a movie mood killer.

On to the show as a whole.

So the most hated part of HH. Episode 4s infamous sexual assault scene. - I actually think it was very raw. It was done in an artistic taste. And I DEFINITELY think that if it wasn't taken from a SA fetishizer, it would've sat with me better. I understand what they were portraying and as someone who's had friends, gay men from the aids crisis era who have been SA, I see it but it's not done well. The only instance it's done well is when Angel is shown in the studio with Valentino especially when he tells Charlie to leave.

The build up and pay off issue - the music for the most part was good. OUT OF CONTEXT. I. Context it pays off without building up the conflict. It just resolves immediately. And these aren't Saturday morning cartoon conflicts. These are deep seeded emotional traumas between people. They don't resolve within one episode. These types of conflicts should resolve in 3 part episodes to 1 season. Yet again the Helluva problem shows up. Setting up too many character arcs and plotlines that cannot be properly resolved in the time span.

The finally- it was. Hot. Garbage. What the fuck was Charlie wearing to fight???? What the fuck???? Seriously???? And Angel???? In his booty shorts??? And we're supposed to take the extermination seriously??? HA! No. I do like in the episodes leading up to the finally, where Charlie and Emily rise against Heaven. I think they should have kept going with that moment in the song "If hell is forever, then Heaven must be a lie". It was very powerful and undermined immediately with "the big reveal!" Yuck. And don't even get me started on how NIFTY is the one who killed ADAM! SERIOUSLY? I think it was actually cool to see Alastor get HIS shit kicked in and see him crack under the pressure for once. I DO NOT like how Charlie's daddy had to come and fight her battles especially seeling as how he could do it the whole fucking time for thousands of years????!

#helluva critical #helluva criticism #helluva critique #helluva rewrite #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel criticism #anti hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel critique #anti spindlehorse #anti helluva boss #anti vivziepop

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thecrazygamingzombie · 2 months

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Okay, I had to make a post about this because the amount of stupidity put on display here physically hurts me.

Let's go over all the reasons that Vaggie pulling out her wings would have been a bad idea for pretty much all of the fight!

Outside of her, the only people that can fly are Husk, Razzle and Dazzle. The latter duo were felled rather easily and Husk would be busy covering his own ass so if Vaggie took to the air she'd likely be taking to the skies by herself

the hotel was mounting a defensive line. If you know anything about tactics, when you hold the line YOU DON'T SPLIT UP THE RANKS. So Vaggie taking to the skies while nobody else could would create a hole in the ground defenses that would leave the rest of the demons more vulnerable

Vaggie was marked as a high priority target by Adam, so if she broke off from the group for ariel fights. Every single exterminator would likely swarm Vaggie as soon as she opens herself up like that. Staying on the ground was for her safety as much as everyone else's

Fighting on the ground vs fighting in the air are two very different things. Carmilla already showed she was fairly inept when it came to the former and the latter would have been even more difficult, especially since Vaggie didn't have time to brush up on both. Compounding all the aforementioned problems.

this isn't a disadvantage but: Vaggie tried to help Charlie SEVERAL times, only for Lute to keep getting in the way and keeping her busy. OR DID YOU SOMEHOW MISS THAT PART OF THE BATTLE?!

So with all that being said. What, pray tell, sort of 'much needed advantage' would a lone former exterminator taking to the skies where several other exterminators are flying around like angry hornets provide? Go on, explain to me the logic in great detail! I'm waiting! I'M ALL FUCKING EARS!!!

(come on @chaifootsteps, tell me what sort of stupid half assed logic are you gonna pull out this time to justify your braindead contrarian stance?)

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel charlie #hazbin hotel vaggie #charlie morningstar #vaggie #hazbin critical #vivziepop critical #chai is an idiot #you people can't be this stupid...

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chaoticace2005 · 28 days

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So, I haven't slept all night and now I have a migraine so I took some Excedrin which has caffeine meaning I am W I R E D and have nothing better to do than spend an hour + make this timeline of Hazbin Hotel mostly by memory:

I have it separated based on events of Sinners vs events mainly impacting angels because it was getting too clogged anyways and I reformatted it too many times to go again.

(This is based on information revealed in the show as well as in livestreams, so it’s possible the livestream data may be outdated, for now I’m gonna keep it in because it gives us a better timeline. Also, I’m assuming that the events of the show begin in 2019.)

Below I'll post the text of what's basically listed in the table:

10,000+ years ago:

-Heaven existed

-Lucifer existed

-Heaven made Adam and Lilith

-Lucifer met Lilith

-Tempted Eve with the apple

-Evil was brought into the world, Lilith and Lucifer expelled to Hell

1500-1700s (presumably, based on way of speaking): Zestial lived and died

200 years ago (1800s): Charlie was born

Early-mid 1800s: Sir Pentious was born

1800s-1910s: Rosie died

1888: Sir Pentious died

Post 1888: Egg Boiz made (assuming Pentious didn’t somehow just find them)

1890-1900s: Alastor was born

1900-1910s: Husk was born

1910s: Angel was born

1910-1920s: Vox was born

1920s: Mimzy died

1928-1937: Niffty born

1933: Alastor died (aged 30-40s)

Post- 1933: Alastor killed overlords and claimed power. Sir Pentious battled him numerous times over the years but wasn’t very memorable.

1947: Angel died (aged 30s)

1950s: Niffty died (age 22)

Post- 1950s: Niffty met Alastor and sold her soul (?) to him

1950s: Vox died (aged 30-40s)

Post- 1950s: Vox met Alastor and two worked together for a bit

1960s: Cherri was born

1970s: Husk died (aged 60-70s)

Post- 1970s: Husk gained power as an overlord before later losing it and selling his soul to Alastor

1970s: Valentino died (age unknown)

Post- 1970s: Valentino gained power as an overlord and Angel sold his soul to him

1980s: Cherri died (aged 20s)

Post 1980s: Angel and Cherri met. Cherri and Sir Pentious began rivalry at some point.

2012 (assuming show takes place in 2019): Charlie’s mother left. Vox asks Alastor to join his team. Alastor leaves. Husk gets his seven year break from Alastor.

Post 2012s: Lilith goes to Heaven and makes some kind of deal involving Lute

Before 2016: Vaggie work as an exorcist

2016 or before: Vaggie meets Charlie

2019:

Two weeks before pilot: Angel accepts offer to live at hotel, leaves Valentino

Pre-pilot: Alastor returns. He’s kind of just lurking for whoever long.

Pilot:

-Extermination occurs, Carmilla kills an angel

-Post- extermination: Adam and Lute find out about the dead exorcist

-Charlie goes on TV and it goes badly. Angel and Cherri fight Sir Pentious. Alastor comes out of the shadows to cause drama.

-Niffty is brought from the firey pits and Husk’s seven year break is over

-Sir Pentious blows a hole in the hotel #1

-Alastor fucks Pentious up #???

Five days later, episode 1:

-Lucifer gets contacted by Heaven asking to meet

-Lucifer hands this off to Charlie, bad meeting occurs. Six months taken off schedule.

Pre-episode 2: Valentino finds out Alastor is back.

Some time later, episode 2:

-Sir Pentious blows a hole in the hotel #2

-Alastor fucks Pentious #??? +1

-Valentino throws a fit about Angel leaving

-Valentino tells Vox Alastor is back, Vox proceeds to throw a fit on live television

-They contract Sir Pentious to spy on hotel

-Sir Pentious attempts to, that night he is caught

-Alastor taunts Vox and then we as the audience proceed to not hear from Vox for several months

Pre-episode 3: Overlord meeting scheduled

One week later, episode 3:

-Sir Pentious one week anniversary

-Vox gets Velvette to go to the Overlord meeting

-Overlord meeting

Some time later, episode 4:

-Masquerade occurs, all in one day

-Pre-episode 5: Husk and Angel seem to get closer to a point that they share popcorn and Husk serves Angel drinks without asking.

-Pre-episode 5: The entire hotel gets closer

-Pre episode 5: Hotel efforts not working

-Pre episode 5: Mimzy takes a car and runs over a loan shark’s girlfriend

Some time later, a month before the next extermination (4 months or so since pilot):

-Charlie panics and finally calls dad

-Lucifer comes an hour later, singing ensues, Mimzy arrives

-Loan sharks arrives, Alastor fucks them up (while Vox is probably salivating while watching it all on camera)

-Lucifer agrees to get Charlie her meeting with Heaven, leaves

-A month before extermination 2: Angel has to go to work a 16 hour shift. Texts Cherri during it.

-16 hours later: Angel returns. Cherri arrives. Vaggie and Charlie go to Heaven.

-Hours later: the courtroom shit happens, Angel tells Val off

-The girls are kicked out of Heaven

-A bit later: Charlie goes to her room and Vaggie explains what happened

-Charlie makes deal with Alastor

-Vaggie tells rest of crew they can leave

-Vaggie and Charlie rally forces. Crew decided not to leave.

Later that week (presumably): Angel “pays for it” at work with Val

Over course of a month: Angelic weapons made, Cherri agreed to fight, cannibals prepare, everyone prepares for war, Vox sits back and laughs

Day before extermination 2: Final rallying of troops, celebrate last night.

Pre-Extermination 2: Vox convinces Velvette and Val to watch the footage with him on a TV

Extermination 2:

-Alastor gets pwned and fucks off

-Sir Pentious blips out of existence

-Post- that: Sir Pentious arrives in heaven

-Dazzle is killed, Lute and Vaggie fight

-Charlie and Adam fight

-Some point before this: Lucifer is alerted to what is happening

-Lucifer swoops in

-Niffty stabs Adam

-They decide to rebuild hotel

Post all that: Lute tells Lilith that Adam is dead

Some time later:

-Rebuild hotel, Husk gets another break from Alastor

-Vees sing about how evil they are

-Alastor is angy

-Hotel is rebuilt and Alastor comes back and Husk’s break is again cut short

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sunsetcougar · 2 months

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Cannibal Angel au: all the cannibals vs Lute, you know the angel that took vaggie wings and her eye, what would the cannibals would do?

You know how Lute loses an arm in the final fight? Yeah in this AU she lost it to Rosie and not rubble.

Rosie was a lot more involved in the battle than in canon because of how much closer she is to Vaggie and Charlie, and upon Lute being identified she targeted her. She had seen the aftermath of what Lute had done to Vaggie all for the “crime” of letting a child live. She was the one who changed the bandages covering where two of Vaggie’s limbs and her eye had been torn off. She watched Vaggie struggle to get used to her lack of depth perception and her changed center of gravity. She saw how much Vaggie suffered for doing what was right.

Needless to say Rosie was enraged and Lute became one of the few to ever see Rosie’s demon form as that mouth full of far to many teeth closed around her arm.

#Cannibal Angel AU #hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel au #hazbin hotel rosie #hazbin hotel lute #hazbin hotel vaggie

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1anxiousbeancrying · 2 months

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Blind vaggie au!

After I rewatched the vaggie Vs lute fight, I had an idea, what if lute was able to defeat and tear out vaggies other eye just like she threatened she would.

Both vaggie and lutes fight lasts longer than in canon because lute manages to stop vaggie before she can drop the rubble. In desperation vaggie does manage to cut lutes arm off with her spear (so it's definitely not coming back). And in an act of rage, revenge and stopping vaggie from helping Charlie, she tackles vaggie and rips her other eye out, blinding her.

Lucifer would have arrived to fight Adam at this point, so before lute could kill vaggie Adams beam of holy light tears through and destroys the hotel dropping rubble down on top of the two of them.

Lute manages to pull herself out but can't get to Adam before he dies, and they leave just like in the show. Everything calms down but Charlie realises she can't find vaggie and remembers that she and lute were both in the hotel when it fell. She's near hysterical looking for her and the others join in to find her. Charlie runs through the ruins of her hotel and soon comes across a single pale red and gold eye and a trail of gold blood leading to a hand peaking out from under the rubble.

She screams trying desperately to move the rubble, Lucifer gets there first to assist. Underneath they find vaggie, blind and broken. Blood coats her face, her wings missing many feathers from the rocks and the holy light, multiple slashes and broken bones.

Charlie shoves her face to vaggies chest looking for any signs of life as the other look on in absolute horror, but by some absolute miracle there's a faint heartbeat.

Well this was darker than I'd thought it be, this was just something random that popped into my head now I want to talk about it (ask me shit) ?

#vaggie #hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel vaggie #charlie morningstar #chaggie #hazbin hotel lute #lute #lucifer magne #lucifer morningstar #hazbin hotel adam #adam

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red-balloon12 · 3 months

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I just “watched” episodes 7 and 8 of Hazbin and I have a lot of thoughts.

But let’s start off with episode 7

Rosie and Camilla were EVERYTHING this episode. I love them both and I didn’t really have much to say about avails before this episode but like…I loved them a lot. Rosie is an absolute sweet heart (despite her being a cannibal)

Vaggie has wings now….Y E S. There’s SO much visual potential for this. I can just imagine her carrying Charlie bridal style through hell and her expressing with them as. I know a lot of people were confused but I’m gonna give explanations now: Lute ripped off her wings, she didn’t cut them with an angelic weapon which means Vaggie was able to grow them back through “The Power of Love”™️ and sheer will power.

At first I was a bit disappointed that Charlie and Vaggie didn’t actually properly and I was a bit underwhelmed by Charlie’s reaction to Vaggie’s but I’ll tell why I’m not as disappointed anymore.

Alastor was behaving a little bit like Charlie’s father figure in this which is funny considering episode 5. (But I know Chalastor shippers are gonna be weird about it and use the scenes for their fuel. Smh.) Not to mention I can see Camilla becoming a mentor/motherly figure for Vaggie in the future. But oddly enough I can also se Rosie being a mother figure for Charlie too.

Camilla’s song is probably my favorite out of the song list so far and while I’m a little disappointed it wasn’t a duet between her and Vaggie like the first song kinda was, we did get a training montage out of it and the explanation about Camilla defeating an angel leading up to it was freaking cool. (I really like how Camilla’s footwear was used as instruments in the song, I love stuff like that)

And now….for episode 8

I really liked Vaggie’s war outfit, Charlie’s was okay too.

I’m not gonna lie to y’all, I lowkey was kinda rooting for Adam when he was going up against Alastor. I’m sorry but I just…do not like him…or his fans for that matter. And GOD DAMN was it refreshing when Adam broke his staff, that man needed to be humbled….I just wish it wasn’t Adam that did it…cus I don’t like Adam either. And I feel like Alastor’s fans are coping with the fact that their precious deer demon daddy lost to a damn angel. (And yes he did loose to him. Cope and seethe) My guy wasn’t gonna land a scratch on Adam without an angelic weapon, what did people think was gonna happen?? But I’ll give Alastor props for holding out as long as he did.

Speaking of him, the reason why I didn’t mention the deal he made with Charlie yet is because it connects with this episode. So I’m 95% certain he has a contract with Lilith and it had something to do with that stick of his. His staff was probably the source of a lot of his power and it can’t be regenerated because it was broken by Adam’s guitar/axe. That “favor” that Alastor wants from Charlie might be to have her make him a new one, a more powerful one that he could possibly…idk…kill Lucifer or Lilith with? Idk dude, the man’s be scheming. But I’m like…98% certain his gonna be the BBEG by the end of this…and if not him, than Lilith.

CHAGGIE DUET- STARMOTH DUET- I’m so ill about them. This is why I wasn’t so mad about them not talking because of THIS SCENE. At this point, I could care less if people still think they have no chemistry after this or they think they’re boring. They’re real, they’re canon and they are beautiful. COPE AND SEETHE, BITCHES! I just hope they get more original duet pieces and not reprises in S2 but the fact they used the same song from Charlie and her dad is really cute.

I liked Vaggie calling Charlie petnames during battle. Little things like that is what makes these two so nice to watch.

Vaggie Vs. Lute…dispite me hoping Vaggie would be on even footing with Lute, it wasn’t realistic, and I’m glad they kept it realistic. Vaggie was out of practice for YEARS meanwhile Lute was not only going at it after Vaggie’s falling but she was also the lieutenant. But this is where Camilla’s advice came into play. Lute fought Vaggie with vengeance in mind as well as her thinking she was indestructible. This lead to her downfall when Lute was so caught up in mocking Vaggie, she accidentally gave Vaggie time to think of a way to outsmart her. Lute fought hard but Vaggie fought smart and it paid off in the end. And we got that BADASS line from Vaggie at the end of it. I love it when my girl gets W’s.

I’m disappointed how Charlie was overpowered by Adam though. I was so ready for her to throw hands with him. But I can see why this is the case as well. Charlie never really had to go all out before in her life. So she’s kinda rusty and inexperienced compared to Adam and Lucifer. (Also rip Razzle or Dazzle. You will probably be missed) But she did get two good hits which I can appreciate and she was the first to actually do damage to Adam. Something I can also appreciate.

Speaking of which, Lucifer absolutely OWNED Adam as he should. We stan a short king who loves his daughter.

Sir Pent was absolutely ROBBED of his moment by Adam and I don’t care that they made up for it by him going to heaven (I do care but sksnjs I’m still salty) And am I the only one that like…didn’t care all that much for his crush in Cherri? Like, I do like it in theory but the pacing…OH THE PACING IS THE REAL VILLAIN OF THIS SHOW. I wish they had a little bit more build up to that kiss. But hey, at least we have confirmation that the hotel does work. Rip Sir Penny. You WILL be missed.

I don’t know how I feel about Nifty of all people being the one to end Adam. On one hand it WAS foreshadowed at the beginning but one the other hand..it felt cheap(?). Like it would have been more satisfying for say Vaggie or Charlie to land the final blow, from a narrative standpoint at least. But…it was Nifty. And uh…was I SUPPOSED to feel bad for Lute seeing Adam die? I’m sorry but they both deserve to get their wings cut off. Adam was a fun villain but I’m glad he’s dead.

Hopes/Predictions for S2

I want more Early Stage!StarMoth. One of the criticisms people have with their relationship is how little set up they have. The best way to rectify this is to show how they were when they were still crushing on each other. A good example of this is Ruby and Sapphire from Steven Universe. Ruby and Sapphire were already established as a couple for Y E A R S but because we got to see how they fell in love and how they worked in the early days, people got more invested in their love story. So I hope Hazbin does the same with Charlie and Vaggie.

I also want Vaggie on her own. I know this is contradictory to my first want but I’ll explain. The theory as to why Vaggie seemed a bit shallow for a lot of people in the show was because they felt like Charlie was Vaggie’s whole personality which is something that I semi do agree with. So I want Vaggie to pick up a new hobby in S2. Whether it be her doing some dancing or maybe she becomes a musician. I just want more of VAGGIE.

And speaking of…I want Camilla to become some sort of mentor for Vaggie. I mentioned it earlier but I’m gonna do it again. Lute’s gonna come back in S2 and she’s gonna want revenge on Vaggie. We’ve seen how underpowered Vaggie is compared to Lute when it came to raw skill. But Camilla knew how to fend off from the angels and Vaggie did use her advice. I think and hope that if Vaggie keeps on training under Camilla, she can definitely surpass Lute and become a better fighter from it. Hell, Camilla can even help Vaggie deal with her anger issues.

It would also be fun if Lucifer trained up Charlie to be a better fighter (or Vaggie and Charlie can train together. It would make for some good moments between them)

This is a smaller want but I want Vaggie to cut her hair…she looks so much more cooler with shorter hair. And maybe a name change??? Maybe?

I want Charlie and Alastor to fight. It’s probably gonna happen with that deal and all. Some one is gonna suffer and Charlie (after having more experience) is gonna take on Alastor and I want her to remind him why she’s the damn Princess of Hell.

I just want the cast to interact with eachother more. Don’t let it just be Charlie and Vaggie or Angel and Husk. I wanna see how Vaggie and Husk would interact. They’d seem like a pretty chill duo.

I predict Lilith is gonna be the BBEG if not Alastor. She’s either gonna have to throw down with Charlie or Lucifer. And if somehow Alastor reforms, he may throw down with her. Lilith is gonna fight SOMEONE. (And Charlie may have to do a sing-nu-jitsu on her)

I predict Angel and Husk are gonna have to face with their soul binders (Alastor and Valentino) and both of them are probably gonna be rushed.

I predict Lute and Vaggie are gonna fight again and I HOPE Vaggie is more ready for it than in the finale.

I predict either Angel or Husk is gone be next in-line to be redeemed (which means either one is gonna “die” next season)

I predict another standoff between Alastor and Vox…and this time Vox is more cocky since Alastor took a BIG hit in the finale.

I predict Emily is gonna become a sinner.

And last but not least…I predict Vaggie and Charlie are gonna have a wedding at the end of the show.

My “final” thoughts for Hazbin Hotel S1: Pacing and tone shifts were the biggest flaw for this season. Moments, relationships and topics suffered from the poor pacing and while some of the blame goes to the lack of episodes, most of it goes to the writers. I can’t tell you how many moments fell flat due to the rushed episodes. You don’t really have time to breath with this show and the moments that you do get to breath are some of the best moments of the show.

(There’s also bias issues but that’s a separate topic-)

But for what it had…it wasn’t the worst. And I’m actually kinda looking forward to season 2.

#hazbin hotel spoilers #Hazbin Hotel #hazbin charlie #hazbin vaggie #hazbin alastor #hazbin angel dust #hazbin husk #hazbin niffty #hazbin sir pentious #hazbin cherri bomb #hazbin lucifer #hazbin lilith #hazbin lute #hazbin adam #Starmoth #chaggie #huskerdust #hazbin hotel critical #Hazbin hotel sugar

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a-dauntless-daffodil · 2 months

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There were probably other reasons for giving Vaggie a spear VS Lute with her sword, but it still makes me so very very very happy, from a character angle

Spears get called the king of the battlefield for pretty good reason- when you’re on a battlefield specifically, a long pointy stick is VERY good at killing people without letting them get close enough to kill YOU (extra useful if you’re not tall and don’t have much built-in reach). It’s also great for formations, a weapon that that becomes TERRIFYING when it’s a in a group. If a row of spears holds their ground, keeps their nerve, and TRUSTS each other, then they can break a cavalry charge (and WHERE did Vaggie learn to trust people...?)

Spears aren’t infallible tho, obliviously. Get past the pointy part and you’re pretty much golden… if the spear person isn’t holding a shield in their other hand

(Charlie with her shield covering for Vaggie in the finale battle my beloved…!)

Swords, they’re a more diverse group. Lute’s falls into the Versatile category- it can do many things fairly well, but not as good as something specifically dedicated to the task would be, while being easy to carry around. It’s even got a nice bit of hand protection! For dueling or personal everyday defense Lute’s sword is a great pick.

But for the battlefield? It would normally be a back-up weapon. Normally, getting that close to your opponent while carrying NOTHING ELSE would be a bad idea if, say, your opponent might be carrying a spear, or a longer sword, or any combo of side arm + shield. If on the other hand you don’t expect your target to put up much of a fight- because they’re terrified and running from you- or armed with weapons that can’t hurt you- If, in effect, you treat this like a HUNTING trip, and all you need to do is deal the killing blow… then a sword like Lute’s makes perfect sense.

What I’m trying to say is:

Vaggie uses a weapon that says she took fighting alongside her fellow exorcists SERIOUSLY, as a GROUP activity, and she was focused on being as effective as possible. (one of Adams best girls, out there in front where a spear belongs, killing thousands)

And Lute? Lute’s weapon only makes sense in a fight that’s PERSONAL- or in a battle that’s already tilted in her favor.

(bonus: in terms of metal needed and skill required, a sword of Lute’s type will generally be Much More expensive to make than a spear would be. In that sense, it’s a more ‘elite’ weapon, while a spear is more… shall we say.... Replaceable.)

#hazbin hotel #vaggie #lute hazbin hotel #character weapon thoughts #.#charlie pls equip your gf with a shield #or armor #or just never leave her side that works too

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barblaz-arts · 1 month

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Last Hazbin character ask, thoughts on Emily, Sera, Lute, and Pentious (you forgot him when talking about main characters)?

Emily

You mean the love of my life???? I am very normal about her.

Lol but fr tho she's in my top favorite characters right after Vaggie and Charlie. She's just so sweet and kind. I love characters who remain that way even after their world view is challenged, just with less naivety. Characters who are so morally good are just so especially interesting to me in a show like Hazbin Hotel that's just filled with assholes of every flavor(with some more redeemable than the others ofc).

Seeing her get mad at Sera was so satisfying btw. Righteous/protective anger looks so good on sweet characters like Charlie and Emily.

Her singing voice is also one of my favorites, along with Charlie, Lucifer and Carmilla. Recently found out that she was one of the talented ladies who sang in the First Burn mv for Hamilton too. She's the third girl that appears, coming in for the harmony. Seeing her sing in a song with Rachel Ann Go feels like a crazy crossover for a Filipino like me because Rachel Ann is a famous singer over here.

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Sera

I think she's a neat character! The type of self-righteous, classist christian I'd avoid like the plague irl, but so fascinating as a character. I'm really curious as to what direction the story will take her to. I can more or less guess the case for other characters, but I can't quite pinpoint the goal for Sera, because I'm not quite sure yet if she's gonna be truly a bad person like Adam and Lute. She could either double down on refusing to let sinners into heaven or see the error of her ways. The former is probably more likely, but I'm not opposed to idea of the latter happening.

Lute

Logical brain: she deserves to suffer so much more for what she did to Vaggie and calling her love for Charlie "vile and blasphemous"

Sapphic brain: ... Scary angel lady hot tho...

Jokes aside, I'd love to see what kinda antagonist she'd be as the one calling the shots instead of just being Adam's sidekick this time. I wanna see her spiral and just become worse and worse. I also need a rematch between her and Vaggie that's a little more fair, where Vaggie is now more used to fighting again. With the whole one-eye VS one-arm thing making it even more even.

Sir Pentious

My boy!!!!! I really didn't expect to like him as much as I do. I liked him fine in the pilot, but they made him so dang cute in the show. You can tell Alex Brightman loved voicing him too. I really hope we get to see what he's up to in heaven. I'm proud of him for being first to ascend, but im scared some angels might be wary or even threatened by his presence in heaven. They do have a pretty bad track record with snakes after all.

#asks #hazbin hotel

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am-i-interrupting · 1 month

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Just wanted to do a little list of requests & ideas I’ve got in the words. Feel free to send in stuff to add onto it. I just wanted to have it all in one place for my sake and thought I’d post it.

Good luck in advance on trying to decode some of my short hand.

Multiples:

Hyperactive— Lute & Velvette [SFW]

Kitten in Heat [NSFW]

New Reader Who Doesn’t Know People’s Importance [SFW]

Powerful Reader [SFW]

Pretty Princess— Velvette & Vox [SFW]

Reader Doesn’t Call Them Nicknames [SFW]

Red Lipped Revolution— 1950s [SFW]

Saying Goodnight [SFW]

Sweet but a Psycho [SFW]

Welsh [SFW]

Alastor:

“I’ve Already Taken Off My Shirt” -Veth Brenatto [SFW]

Make This Man Watch Golden Girls [SFW]

Licks Him Mid-Argument [SFW]

Photographed Memories [SFW]

TT— Caught Cuddling [SFW]

TT— Doll Parts [SFW]

TT— First Meeting [SFW]

TT— Shovel Talk From the Sins [SFW]

Husk:

Husk Fell Asleep, Reader Took a Picture [SFW]

Purrito [SFW]

Sunbathing Cat Style [SFW]

Lucifer:

Emotionally Drained Comfort [SFW]

Perv-Luci [NSFW]

Lute:

Handcuffs & Chains Excite Me [NSFW]

Uh-Oh, A Fucky-Wucky While Doing the Fucky-Wucky [NSFW]

Rosie:

Possession Kink Awakened Via Collar [NSFW]

Thick Thighs. . . Can Cause Someone to Pass Out if They Squeeze too Hard [NSFW]

Trying to be Better For Her [NSFW]

Velvette:

Meet the Business Partn— Vox, Put Down the Knife! It’s Just Vel’s Partner! [SFW]

Vaggie:

Charlie & Reader Send Vaggie Pictures [NSFW]

Domestic Cleaning [SFW]

Vox:

Gyaru!Reader [SFW]

Alastor’s Soul [SFW]

He Watches During Meeting? Okay, Bet. [NSFW]

Just a Sprinkle of Angel’s Dust [SFW]

Mothman vs Reader Battle Royale [NSFW]

Love You Like A Love Song [SFW]

OATSH— Heat Married Version [NSFW]

OATSH— Rosie & Vox team up [SFW]

OATSH— Two Hands Bloody [NSFW]

OATSH— Zippers [NSFW]

Poison Ivy [SFW]

Put the V in Virgin [NSFW]

Val Child. . . [SERIES— COMING SOON I have a problem pairing characters with people’s children & I know it]

#vox x reader #hazbin vox x reader #alastor x reader #hazbin alastor x reader #hazbin husk x reader #hazbin lucifer x reader #hazbin rosie x reader #rosie x reader #hazbin hotel lucifer morningstar x reader #hazbin vaggie x reader #hazbin hotel velvette x reader #writing list

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