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labyrinth-runner · 4 years

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Hey, Im not sure if you already got any requests for this but could you do the Relationship Alphabet with Obi-Wan? Tysm!!! 💕💕💕

*Cracks Knuckles*

A- Activity (What is their favorite activity to do with you.)

Obi-Wan likes do yoga and meditating with you. It’s how he feels one with the force, and even though you may or may not feel the force as deeply as he does, he likes being able to share those moments with you and help you find your own inner balance.

B- Beginnings (How do they act in the beginning of a relationship)

He’s very hesitant. He doesn’t want to get too attached because of the code. At first it’s very clear that if he had to choose, he wouldn’t choose you, but that slowly starts to change throughout the relationship, mainly because of a fight where you complained that he wasn’t giving it his all and he realized that you were right. Then you asked if he really wanted to do this and he said yes and since then he’s been all in.

C- Communication (Are they good communicators? How do they normally talk about their problems or solve issues)

They don’t call him the negotiator for no reason. He’s very good at communicating. Whenever there’s a problem, he usually tries to find a compromise that everyone could agree to.

D- Drunk (What are they like when they’re drunk)

He insists that he’s not drunk. He’s very affectionate. He’ll call you darling and give you a string of slightly coherent compliments.

E- Emergency (How are they in emergency situations? You get hurt, they get hurt, someone is dying etc..)

Obi-Wan works surprisingly well under pressure. If someone gets hurt, he’s doing very well at keeping himself in check, although on the inside he’s breaking. He’s trying to be strong for you.

F- Free Spot (I’ll give you any headcanon I come up with)

If you’re out super late, he stays up to wait for you. He looks like a dad waiting for their teenaged daughter to get home with his glasses sliding down his nose as he reads, but he’s not mad. He just can’t sleep until he knows you’re home safe.

G- Gifts (What kind of gifts do they give? What kind of gifts do they get?)

He likes to write letters and poems. Sometimes he’ll write them in different languages so that you also get a puzzle to figure out. He likes to get homemade things. It shows that thought went into it, and you’re giving him a little piece of you.

H- Hugs (How do they show affection/cuddle)

If he hasn’t seen you in a while, you’re getting a crushing hug. He just wants you to know how much he’s missed you. Other times, he gives the best hugs. The only equivalent would be a bear hug. He’s almost always the big spoon, because he likes to make you feel safe, but on occasion he needs comforting he’ll want to be the little spoon.

I- Irritation (What is something that irritates them? How do they show their irritation?)

Anakin. Jkjk. He is very particular about communication. He spent years dealing with Anakin having feelings and not trusting him enough to be open about them. He hates when people don’t tell him the truth or bottle things, because it will only cause a bigger issue later on. His jaw twitches slightly and he gets sassy.

J- Jackpot (How would they spend their winnings if they won the lottery?)

I’m very big on him giving a lot to charity. The rest would probably go into savings because he’s practical. He just doesn’t know what to do with all of it, though. He’s used to a simple life.

K- Kryptonite (What is their ultimate weakness?)

Love. He loves deeply, despite the rules on attachment. It can blind him into being too trusting and missing warning signs.

Also, he’s ticklish.

L- Laughter (What makes them laugh?)

Wordplay. He pretends to hate puns and witty retorts, but they always make him chuckle. Also, when you’re trying to make dinner and you get distracted so it goes up in smoke and you end up needing to order take out. Because, you tried so hard and it was so cute.

M- Morning ( How do they wake up in the morning? Are they a morning person or a morning grouch?)

It depends. If he has to wake up at the crack of dawn, he’s cranky until he gets caffeine. If he’s well rested then he’s fine.

N- Needy (When do they feel particularly needy? How do they show it?)

He’s needy after hard missions when he looses a lot of men. He’ll just wordlessly come home and hold you close as a reminder that not all is lost.

O- Oasis (Where is their happy place? Where would they go if they didn’t have anything holding them back?)

Definitely not Tatooine. He’d go wherever you are. But, for a physical place, he’d probably go to the Temple. It’s his home.

P- Pain (How do they handle pain? How do they handle when you are in pain?)

Oh he’s very much “Oh, I’m fine” as he’s bleeding out. He sucks it up like a trooper because he doesn’t want anyone to worry. However, when you’re in pain he is fawning all over you and telling you to take it easy.

Q- Quote (What’s a quote that fits them and your relationship)

“Come what may, I will love you til my dying day.”

R- Reunion (How do they celebrate seeing you after a long time of being apart)

Oh, in private, he’s running to hug you and hold you close, and then he’s picking you up and you’re heading to the bedroom.

S- Stress (What stresses them out? How do deal with stress and how do they relieve it?)

The amount of loss that he faces on a daily basis stresses him out. The fact that he’s very much never gotten over his grief for others, so he’s worried about seeing something and being brought back to Qui-Gon and not being able to get over it. He meditates.

T- Terror (What are they afraid of?)

Losing everyone he loves. His heart can take a lot, but it feels like the universe keeps taking.

U- Unique (What is a quirk that is unique to them?)

He’s very good with animals.

V- Violence (Do they fight a lot? Are they a good fighter? What is their fighting style?)

He doesn’t fight a lot if he’s not on a mission. He definitely prefers to use fighting as a last resort.

W- Wow (What do you do that really surprises them? What do you do that they really like?)

Massages. When he first got one, he was very hesitant, but then he was putty in your hands.

X- (Explicit headcanon. For all you degenerates)

When he’s stressed, he’ll take you anywhere. He’s very much into gripping your hips while you fuck and he loves when you ride his face.

Y- Yucky (Is there something that grosses them out so badly that they can’t deal with it?)

Anakin eating bugs.

Z- ZZZ’s (What are their sleeping habits? Both with and without you)

With you, he’s very cuddly. He stays to his side, but he’ll meet you in the middle. Without you, he takes over the bed.

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norcumii · 5 years

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Reblogging a post from the prior blog, typos and all, because while I like the meta I am not comfortable sticking this on AO3.

Originally posted on 06/08/2018

I was kindly directed towards this post about the Mind Trick (it’s not a Jedi specific ability, so I’m not going to refer to it as the Jedi Mind Trick), because it’s one of my areas of interest and I can think of at least 3 of our stories where we’ve already planned on addressing the topic.

There is…rather a lot of this post that I take issue with. I’m making my own post because it’s a big fandom, everyone gets to view things how they want, don’t harsh the squee, etc etc.

Stuff under the cut, TRIGGER WARNINGS for: mind fuckery, gaslighting, victim blaming, and mention of various mental illnesses.

To start: mind fuckery is bad. I have a lot of personal experience with gaslighting, so I get twitchy about the notion of someone messing with my head. When I say gaslighting here, I mean both the vernacular (someone lying to fuck with a target) and the technical sense (from Wikipedia: “a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the target and delegitimize the target’s belief”). So the possibility of someone coming in and forcibly changing my perceptions and memories is Very Not Cool. I think it’s an ability that canon does use a bit too casually for my own preferences, but the same could be said about how quick everyone is to pull out blasters.

Calling it ‘evil,’ though, goes way too far. As with many things, it’s neither good nor bad, it’s about how it’s used. So what good uses are there, you might ask?

Well, just off the cuff, we’ve got:

Breaking gaslighting

assisting with hallucinations and compulsive behavior

assisting with phobias

basically all the things cognitive behavioral therapy is useful for, now with a Force-assisted oomph

treating addictions

treating trauma, including PTSD

assisting with meditation and mindfulness

aiding memorization and learning

non-violent means to defuse potentially violent situations

Now, that last one in particular is questionable, and would vary as appropriate from situation to situation. Which is a greater evil, a security guard shooting and presumably killing a bank robber that could kill lots of people, or a Jedi using the Mind Trick to get them to surrender to authorities? People will probably give you different answers, but that’s the point about how this is tricky. It also doesn’t even get into ‘who decides how ethical a thing is’ and fears of authoritarian regimes, which I’m just not in the mood to tackle right now.

Moving on, we’ve got the OP’s interpretation of sources.

I. Well. Look, EU stuff is of questionable quality and level of canon in the first place. Secondly, there’s that weird split in both fandom and creators of canon where Jedi and Sith tend to be viewed as all good or all bad, not organizations what are fucked up and in need of reform. Third, I don’t have the texts they’re quoting so I can’t give you context, meanwhile it’s first person which is often used as an authorial mechanism to give unreliable narration and so immediately makes me hesitate to accept them whole-heartedly.

With all that in mind, I have a REALLY different interpretation than OP.

Jedi Order does not disclose their power, people don’t know how the Force works. All they know is that Jedi are good. That’s it.

Totally false. Both Jabba and Watto knew about the Mind Trick when it was being used on them. These are folks from Outer Rim areas – the boonies, where Republic education would not be standardized and taught – neither of them seems to be the type to either have extensive knowledge of fairy tales about Jedi abilities, nor a background in historical trivia. When Jabba declares he’s immune to Jedi mind tricks, no one around him acts confused or surprised – there’s no question what this is. Watto – a former soldier who now owns a junk shop – also knew the handwave was meant to indicate something, like he knew exactly what it would convey. So I’m pretty sure this means it’s common knowledge.

No, wait, it’s demonstrated in the next quote as to be known:

referred to by Jedi as affect mind and alter mind, but popularly known as Jedi mind tricks

JEDI refer to this ability as Affect Mind. OTHERS call it Jedi mind tricks. That doesn’t mean Sith, that means the general populace.

there are rumors but the victims are usually dismissed (or end up with brain damage) because they didn’t understand what happened to them and because this power was usually performed on “less influential” members of the Republic

Not backed up by their own data. The quote mentions “a relatively innocent subject” but there’s nothing that extrapolates to mean it’s more often used on the poor/disadvantaged. It IS typical Jedi sanctimoniousness, but it’s not about targeting more vulnerable beings.

The brain damage comment is also inaccurate for reasons I personally find frustrating. The quote is “the power can easily cause permanent damage”.

That doesn’t mean brain damage. There are plenty of ways to fuck with someone and ruin them without brain damage. IF the Mind Trick is extreme and unlimited in power, then you can make someone: perpetually anxious/depressed; so self-effacing as to never stand up for themselves; vulnerable to specific commands; all sorts of other nasty things.

That goes back to the whole ‘personal experience with gaslighting,’ and I need to point out that any of this can be done with time, patience, and willingness to fuck with someone. You don’t need the Force to do it. The Force is basically a shortcut, but vilifying the Mind Trick right off the bat because it messes with someone’s head and that’s something we norms can’t do is erroneous.

And the Jedi don’t see to care because they see their victims as weak-minded (like they had it coming).

That’s a deliberate spin on the text. Looks like I’m quoting the whole thing because I can’t pick out just one bit:

A Jedi can use the Force to manipulate the behavior and perceptions of weak-minded beings. Essentially, this power—referred to by Jedi as affect mind and alter mind, but popularly known as Jedi mind tricks—utilizes a combination of receptive empathy, projective empathy, and hypnosis. Jedi mind tricks can stop the understanding of what’s really happening by blocking the senses, and can also obliterate memories altogether or even replace them with false ones. [Star Wars Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force by Ryder Windham]

As a Jedi, you should be able to sense immediately whether the guard is prone to violence or susceptible to fear. This knowledge can be used to your advantage, and may direct your use of affect mind. Also, you must determine whether it is best to divert or subdue your target. Such decisions must often be made instantly, without hesitation. What would I have done in such a situation, you ask? I really can’t say. A Jedi is not proud or boastful, and I trust you will understand I am sincere when I say that it is hard for me to imagine that the guard might have spied me in the first place, had I not wished to be seen. But if a guard had seen me, I might make him believe I was nothing but a gust of wind, or the shadow of a soaring indigenous avian. A Jedi can do such things, for it is the will of the Force. [Star Wars Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force by Ryder Windham]

“Weak-minded” isn’t victim bashing, it’s back to sanctimoniousness. The narrator is describing who it can affect. It’s the exact same phrasing that was used in the Original Trilogy when we first encountered it. It’s not “those who are affected by the Mind Trick are weak willed and deserve it,” it’s “the Mind Trick only works on those with weak wills, and if someone isn’t weak willed then we’re just standing there waving a hand and talking like an idiot.” Which ALSO ignores that there are entire species who are resistant/immune to the Mind Trick and mental influences, and they can’t all be ‘strong-willed’ so that means the comment is bullshit anyways. It’s shorthand for “so this works on some people, but if they’re already on alert or tend to be stubborn you’re shit out of luck when it comes to making friends and influencing people even with your space magic.”

The “will of the Force” bullshit is more of the same. It’s a sanctimonious way of saying “I got lucky on the genetic lottery,” not “It’s the will of the Force I have this power and it’s the will of the Force this weak-minded being is here therefore it’s the will of the I remove their agency and do what I want to their mind.” Yes, some assholes are going to use that as an excuse for their behavior. Assholes are always going to find some excuse for their behavior, be it religion, substances, background, or whatever else might be in reach.

On top of all this, the Mind Trick is hardly a Jedi specific tool. In Rebels the Inquisitors use it. I want to say that Palpatine used it too but I can’t find anything convenient on Wookieepedia and I’m sorry, I’m not rewatching six movies and Clone Wars just to prove a point. Meanwhile, Mother Talzin DID visibly use it to manipulate both Asajj Ventress and Savage, so Nightsisters are obviously familiar with it. There’s no reason other Force users couldn’t do the same, it’s just that Jedi are the predominant group of such in the Republic.

In sum, the Mind Trick is a dick move, that post presumes a lot of incorrect things, and it really shouldn’t be called the JEDI Mind trick.

Finally, in criticism of the Jedi Order: Qui-Gon is so casual about his use in TPM, it makes me twitch. I love the guy, massive faults and all, but it often feels like this is the first tool he reaches for, not the last one. I get that this is a time-critical mission with an entire city going into prison camps, and those peoples’ fates rest on him getting shit done fast. I get that he has to weigh the Chancellor’s request vs planetary needs vs individual autonomy vs the lives of those he’s responsible for. (It’s still most often a dick move.) Meanwhile Obi-Wan’s…THING in Attack of the Clones with the deathstick dealer – I will never understand it, and I usually headcanon it as something other than what we literally see because WHAT EVEN you do not fuck with someone’s head like that. The casual “let’s raid Cad Bane’s mind!” thing in TCW is several massive types of awful. Given these charming examples (and there are others, but those are the ones I immediately think of), it’s no wonder that the Order has a reputation.

~end

There was also a follow-up post the same day:

oft-goes-awry replied to your post:I was kindly directed towards this post about the…

RE: Obi-Wan and the Death-Sticks Guy - Without going too deeply into the Mind Trick as a whole, I think we can break this moment into two parts, neither of which are GREAT, or good, even, but are mostly pragmatism and Jedi sanctimoniousness. 1) “You don’t want to sell me death-sticks” = “I am trying to remain undercover in this bar, without causing a fuss or getting people shot, and I have neither the time nor the patience to argue with you or risk a scene. …so please, GO AWAY.“ 2) "You want to go home and rethink you life.” = Jedi Sanctimoniousness, I know what’s good for you better than you do, and I don’t think anyone should be selling death sticks, so see, I’m HELPING you? Because Jedi know better and I am a Jedi, peon!

Yes, thank you! Well said! And credit where (what little) credit is due: he tells the guy to rethink his life, not actually change it. If dude goes home, thinks on things, and decides nope, he’s already living the life he wants, then he can keep at it –

which still sounds awful and sanctimonious, but it’s not quite as skin-crawlingly horrible.

#reviving from the purge #star wars #Norcumi has Opinions again #thinky thoughts #jedi #tw #mind fuckery #gaslighting #mental illness #victim blaming

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