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antiloreolympus · 3 years

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8 Anti LO Asks

1. Making LO Persephone canonically 19 is like having someone ship Snape or Voldemort with Harry or Hermione. Oh wait. They already do that.

2. It’s funny you guys bring up twilight because midnight sun (aka twilight from edward’s pov) was released last year and it DIRECTLY compares itself to Hades and Persephone, but? It kinda makes fun of itself for it? Like the other Cullens tease Edward over the melancholy of his view of himself and the world, and unlike something like LO it actually gives Edward and Bella a lot more development and personality and even fleshes out the other characters and even reads as a good horror over a romance book. Tbh it’s more of an insult to Twilight to compare LO to it than vice versa. at least Twilight and its other works are trying, and Meyers never claimed herself to be the mythology and feminist expert unlike Rachel, especially since she’s been rightfully (and unrightfully) critiqued since day one, meanwhile Rachel has her own fans trying to fix and threaten each other if they point out the colors aren’t right. Rachel would never be able to handle even a minute of the actual critique and hate meyers went through.

3. Just imagine the yandere fics about Hades and Persephone inspired by Lore Olympus

4. Is it funny that I want LO Persephone to bite off LO Hades nose like Harley Quinn did to the Penguin in the HQ show?

5. LO Hades x Persephone is also Draco X Hermione.

6. Idk why you guys think the slavery is gonna end when Persephone marries in? Her trying to call it out was quickly shot down and they started making out to shut her up and she just forgot. She’s not changing anything but her morals to accommodate him. :/

7. Add slavery apologist to the author of Lore Olympus' sins

8. I’m going to make a very out there suggestion, but here me out

Persephone isn’t just a self insert, Hades is too

I was rewatching the folding ideas fifty shades video someone on this blog recommended, and in it it mentions Ana WASN’T EL James self insert, but rather Christian was, and since 50 shades is so closely linked to LO it made me start wondering, is Hades that to Rachel? Let’s look:

Older, closer to 40 than not

Cool and respected, has a lot of power and money and people bending over to make them happy

At the top of the chain, everyone does whatever they want no matter how badly they treat everyone else in comparison and how little work they do, they get all the praise and money for it no matter what

Broken but in a relatable way, still has everyone loving them unconditionally and wanting to help them, never held accountable for their toxic actions or bad qualities, that just makes them ~real~

Has the love and admiration of anyone who knows the “real” them, while anyone who is against them is a hater who doesn’t get it, and they get punished for it

The smartest, most powerful, the most successful, could easily be even more powerful (ruler of olympus) but is far too humble to take that Rolex instead being a king in a still as powerful domain but with the stuff he likes instead, and where there are rules for thee, but not for me

Their bad actions are always justified, no matter how hypocritical it becomes

eneral power fantasy of being the boss, a king, a ceo who is on the top of the world, and everyone just had to deal with it, someone who came from nothing to be the most powerful

Etc etc

Now, I also think Persephone is a self insert too, but not as current Rachel. Persephone is who she wanted to be as a younger women, one who is highly desirable despite her “flaws” and issues who gets taken care of by an older, more powerful man. Persephone is who she wanted to be if she could redo her life. But Hades? That’s who she wants to be now, and tbh? It kinda shows. She clearly relates more to the “Hades” she’s created and he seems to overwhelmingly occupy the lead character role in the story with far more development, pity, and attention given to him, despite the claim it’s actually Persephone. I think people overlook Hades’ potential self-insert power fantasy because he’s a man and Rachel isn’t, but he lines up way more to who Rachel currently is and wants to be than Persephone. They basically both exist for Rachel at different life stages. Either way, it’s funny she thinks we won’t notice.

#anti lo #anti lore olympus #lore olympus critical #lo critical

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akatokuro · 5 years

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The Inevitable StS Rewatch, Episode 30

Here lies Seiya’s brain, may it rest in yandere pieces.

- Hooray, the episode that kickstarted the process of Seiya's brain snapping firmly in half!

- Seriously, I might ramble about Gold Saints and such a lot (EXCUSE ME, DO YOU HAVE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT OUR LORD AND TRAINWRECK AQUARIUS CAMUS?), but nothing gets me screaming like an idiot like some quality SeiSao content. I LOOOOVE THEEEEEEMMMMMM

- The emphasis on Seiya's arm breaking, and him desperately reaching for Saori with the other, is very visually effective. The visual framing of internal "shattering" feels very appropriate for what this episode ends up doing...

- Seiya's rationalizations when he first jumps after Saori are really, really interesting and honestly sets the framework for the Seiya we see in the rest of the franchise in regards to her. He keeps repeating to himself, "Protecting Athena is a Saint's duty!" This is sort of weird and forced for him in a number of ways - Seiya has never shown any particular investment in either "Athena" or the idea of a "Saint's duty" up until this point, but then suddenly he's sort of frantically, desperately repeating it to himself here.

- It's reading into it heavily, but it makes sense Seiya is sort of trying to justify himself here, because Seiya in particular is in a weird, iffy spot as far as how he defines himself and his motivations for doing this. He originally came back with the intentions of dumping all of this shit from the onset and just wanted to find his sister. Then he got swept up in the drama with Ikki and the Gold Cloth. And now... well, Marin told him to protect Athena, who it turns out is Saori, but what does that actually mean to him...?

- Well, Athena is the goddess of war, who watches over humanity. But when he finally catches Saori and pulls her against him, she's obviously very vulnerable - very achingly human. To the point that when Saori starts to wake up, she cracks a joke about it - "I'm very heavy, aren't I, Seiya?"

- In the face of this kind of Saori, forcing the "protecting Athena is a Saint's duty!" tagline falls apart even further than its already shaky premise, for Seiya.

- And it's this contradiction that really gets to Seiya, and I think this is what started the process of it causing his brain to melt - he just cannot think of Saori as a "goddess" and all that entails when she's in front of him like this. You can see how he quickly switches back to the old "ojou-san" he always used when as far as he knew, she was just another human - and also "she is a very important person to me." "She is a very important person to me" is, in terms of emotional motivations, basically the polar opposite of the previous "it is a Saint's duty to protect Athena."

- Normally, narratives around guys seeing "the fragile woman deep inside" a female authority figure like Saori piss me the fuck off like almost nothing else - it's like an instant red flashing NOPE button - but SeiSao doesn't really hit that for me. For one, because Seiya doesn't actually frame it as a fragility or a unique femininity, per se, on the part of Saori that being a goddess makes her "hide" - and secondly, because he NEVER uses this as a point of authority over her or to condescend her. At all. It really feels like he has a legitimate compassion for her, and it makes him want to support her in her path. He would never challenge or lecture Saori that she should dump the responsibility of being Athena and find happiness as "a normal girl." (Here's looking at you, Fate/Stay Night!) But he wants to do what he can to ease that burden, and dedicate himself to her utterly. He admires her, because she is both human and goddess, and how Saori obviously often struggles between that boundary, but endures. Seiya, basically, understands that Saori is actually the hero of this story, not him, and acts accordingly. It owns.

- This desire to support the strong, incredible human woman in front of him, who is shouldering the mantle of a goddess, clicks with something inside of him - namely, it gives him a deeper sense of purpose that is able to justify all the horrific hell he has gone through during his Saint training. He is obviously bitter about what has been done to him in the early stages of the series and is happy for the chance to dump it all when he first returns from Greece. But devotion to Saori personally, as "Saori-san", not Athena, becomes all-consuming, all-defining for him - in a way it does not for the others - to the point that Seiya has extreme existential meltdowns at the suggestion that Saori might not need him anymore during the Hades OAVs and the movies. If Saori doesn't need him, everything he's done and endured has been worthless. He starts conflating everything that justifies his life and all of his suffering with her.

- To the point that, in Tenkai-hen, nothing else matters. He doesn’t matter. The world doesn’t matter. If Saori-san wants to kill him, it doesn’t matter. If Saori-san wants to destroy the world, it doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is her. He’ll die smiling, no matter what the context, if he’s dying by her will.

- That’s the fascinating thing about Seiya's deep, mad love for Saori in a nutshell: it is genuine love and genuine admiration, but it's also something of a fucked up coping mechanism. It's both! Saori knows on some level that it's both! And it kills her! Because she loves him too! But she knows she basically made him crazy and she wishes he could be happy and de-crazied but he rejects all of her attempts to fix it because he's crazy in love with her and wants to stay at her side! Which makes her both so happy and so sad at the same time because she both wants him at her side but also wants him to be free of her! Then there is some lewd hand-holding if they are lucky! etc etc. Goddammit they're so good.

- So yes, Seiya chanting to himself "Saints gotta protect Athena" comes across as frantic and desperate. But when he's holding Saori in his arms and looking at her face and listening to her voice, a strange serenity settles over him in its place. Seiya isn't the kind of person who can throw his entire being into the cause of "Athena." But it turns out that this person, this Kido Saori he's getting to know, and seeing more and more sides of - that's a different story.

- ISN'T IT SAD, SHAINA?

- Actually I really hate Shaina's crush on Seiya as a part of her character but we'll get to that later I guess... grumble grumble grumble...

- hnnnng the way the world obviously just melts away for both of them when they're staring at each other... the fragility of those moments makes them really effective. It really does feel like they're quickly stolen from all the hectic violence of their duties otherwise. There's no way the world and their circumstances would allow them to hold those moments for more than a minute at a time, if that.

- And any chance Seiya's brain had of surviving this whole deal is gooooone. This really encapsulates that paradox between human/goddess for the Saori in Seiya's heart - obviously, a normal human girl wouldn't be in the position to calmly, smilingly agree to die with him. But that's not something a goddess who rules over humans would do, either. The only explanation is that it's just... "Saori-san." Saori-san, who is willing to die with him.

- And the sheer power of someone who nods and smiles and believes in you when you ask something like that of them, well. RIP Seiya!

- Speaking of poor Shaina, the way Seiya actually stops her in her tracks with that utterly dismissive "fuck off, Shaina, busy staring at Saori-san" and promptly goes back to doing just that is... amazing.

- I love the way Seiya keeps enforcing their mutuality as they take their cliff-diving bet, too - verbally, softly telling Saori to hold onto him, looking at her the entire time...

- A consistent thing about Saori, even in the filler, is her taking it really hard when someone is sacrificed or hurt "for her" - like, before, things were a step removed because they were fighting "to protect the Gold Cloth" with the understanding amongst the whole group that it would be disastrous if EVIL FORCES got their hands on it. But here, Seiya almost died directly protecting her, and it obviously affects her deeply. (We even get a cheesy insert song about it!) She’s starting to get a sense of what Sainthood and using Saints actually means. As Athena, it's something she'll unfortunately have to get used to - and she knows this.

- THAT ATTEMPTED KISS IS TRAGICALLY THE CLOSEST THEY WILL EVER GET TO KISSING IN AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR DECADES, IF THAT. ALAS.

- SAORI! IS! THE FUCKING! BEST!

- I LOVE that her quiet devastation over others being hurt for her sake doesn't make her really weepy or waver - it hardens her. It steels her quiet, unshakable resolve to do what she has to do.

- Other shounen or shounen-likes often try to pull that "non-fighter heroine acts 'cool' and says they'll protect the hero instead, even though he usually protects her! See what we did there!?" (kingdom heeeearttttsssss) but the difference is that, uh, Saori is actually cool - and there's a decent emphasis on her perspective and feelings about it, and she actually gets to solve problems and meaningfully intimidate an opponent.

- Saori just calmly, silently staring down Shaina as she threatens her... ahhhh she's so cool I can't deal with it...

- YEAH. SORRY GUYS, THIS IS NOW A KIDO SAORI BLOG.

- and then saori drove a dude to suicide with her powers using his own crows. gj goddess of war

- The sudden snap from the dignified, intimidating "Goddess" Saori to the more human, frantic Saori when Hyouga and Shun show up is interesting - it almost does feel like she's snapping out of a trance or pseudo-fugue state. But it doesn't remotely feel like a split personality deal or anything either, because even in "goddess" mode Saori was focused on protecting Seiya, a human who is absolutely precious and special to her. The motivations and feelings are the same.

- Uh, speaking of Hyouga and Shun, though... where the fuck have you guys been all night until now? You and Seiya were right behind each other when you set out after Saori... did you take the chance to have a secret, prolonged cuddling session together or something under the mountains? I mean, more power to you guys...?

- hey, more silver fodder! what a way to close the episode.

#rewatching sts #aquarius camus did nothing wrong #this is now a kido saori blog

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