just a quick reminder - absolutely NO joe alwyn slander/hate is welcome or allowed on my blog. it's frankly exhausting seeing how much swifties villianize him simply because of his break up of taylor. you don't even know him. neither do i, which is why i'm not going to pretend like i do. if you don't like what i said, that's respectfully not my problem. just leave the poor man alone, where's your human empathy god.

HEAVY rant down in the tags so beware.

Man you couldn't fucking pay me to be famous because why do I have people arguing and theorising on my TL about why mgg isn't married. There's people legit using the fact that he's a Pisces as reasoning (which no shade if peeps are into all that but it seems shallow to base it all on that), or the fact that he's too enthusiastic/excited by things in life to have a serious relationship. I know we like to indulge here and maybe that's where this is coming from but as a young woman who does not want children or even marriage and very much would like a similarish life it feels derogatory. Like be for fucking real, just because he's in his 40's he has to succumb to the rot? Idk if it's a skewed perspective mostly younger people have but it's exhausting to read the shared delusion. I saw similar about people complaining that Taylor Swift went to Coachella at the ripe old age of *gasp* 34. Someone quick we much alert the church elders.

And that is why I never look into Twitter. Please people just get a life. Who honestly cares if his married or not? Who's business is that except HIS?

And even though he is not married, why do people try to find a problem or a justification for that? Maybe it's just the way things are, maybe he doesn't want or hasn't find his person yet.

I think there is mostly a problem with the fact that everybody views marriage and family as the only goal in life. Like if you're not married you can't be happy or there is something wrong with you. Or like with MGG he is "not adult enough" to be in a relationship. Because once you pass 30 you have to be bored with life and depressed.

Yes, falling in love is great but there is so much more to life than that, and love doesn't only come from a partner, you have family, friends, colleagues or whatever. It's not because you're past 25/30 that you absolutely need to be married with kids and not enjoy life like you used to do anymore.

It's not because he is in his 40's that we need to find a justification for his single life or whatever is going on, and that does not mean he is unhappy or there is a problem with him.

This is a stronger pressure on women but I think that with this whole fandom stuff, there are people like that everywhere. And it's probably the same who will be mad when they will hear that he is in a relationship. That's just all fucked up dude.

And they'll act like this with Taylor Swift because it's well known that past 30 years old a woman is already half dead anyway so how could she dare go to a festival?? Scandalous.

So yeah you couldn't pay me for that anyway. I hate people digging into my life, my anger issues could never-

Let's not just care, it's no one's business anyway. 🕺✨

I need to know what you think about the whole Joe thing because at this point I'm genuinely so confused as to what's going on

i hesitate to even answer this at all, anon, because I'm honestly in the same boat as you.

all i can honestly say is something about this situation doesn't feel right to me. i don't really wanna say too much because i dont want to fan the joe is a beard bullshit but the whole "differences in personality" thing... almost that exact same wording was used during the coverage of the harris x swift break-up. im not gunna look it up but if you research the people article for it, you can see what im talking about.

we also know that as soon as midnights, her most accurate album to date, she wrote sweet nothing about her relationship with Joe. Its a really hard pill for me to swallow that after seven years of music about how supportive and how understanding he is of her career, the thing that broke them apart was "differences in personality."

but then there is haim, gigi, blake and ryan, austin unfollowing him off instagram. why? why would they do that right now, in the middle of her tour being made about this fucking break up, when they absolutely KNOW that people will be reading into those actions. however, there is also the possibility that none of those people were actually following on insta to begin with because he doesnt actually post on there. i have no way of verifying that they actually recently unfollowed him but the words of the same fans who believed he deleted the cat photo of his insta when it was just a story in the first place.

all i can say for certain is the pap pictures are planned easter eggs about a work related project. she knows we expect speak now so it would be the perfect time to throw another curveball at us. i can also see taylor deciding to have some fun with the media coverage of her tour, especially if she is announcing a film soon in which she tackles fame and the media specifically in it, when she told us in lavender haze the way she protects her relationship is by ignoring the media. like, she could be showing us how much of a mastermind she actually is. like, im getting so much deja vu from 1989 era and the fact that she used the same wording as calvin harris break up, that makes me so suspicious. i still think she's planning on coming out this summer so im not sure if this could somehow be related to that?

i keep going back to the coverage of this relationship, the media narrative she crafted of this man who supports her superstardom and just wants to be in her presence and nothing else, and how it's a complete 180 from everything she has let us know up to this point. like, the fact that in the span of 2 weeks, we have had swifties take the narrative from "they broke up" to "he cheated on her" also just makes me feel like super gross about the situation.

like i am just not a fan of all the drama about taylor's personal life all of a fucking sudden now that we think she's single as a fandom. like, wow, and like she spent so much of their relationship shading the people who called it fake or disgenuine, that i just... i dont know. nothing about how this is playing out makes any sense to me.

taylor hid the relationship for almost a year, you don't think she would have waited until the tour was over to release this news??? and then we got the pic of joe, which like, thats the first pap pic ive ever seen of him alone i think and that also makes me question why we're seeing him right after taylor. like, she was so happy right up until tour, it kind of makes me think something dramatic did happen because why did they all unfollow him?

i just don't really know what the fuck is going on. I dont really believe any of what they say is the reason they broke up, i guess. if they did break up, it sure as shit isnt even close to what the media is running with imho.

and then im like idk this whole thing just doesnt make sense and that's really all i have to say about it.

okkkk sooooo let's go, brace yourself it's gonna be a long rant. (also sorry if i don't make sense, english isn't my first language)

i am a larrie too and most people i follow here are larries bc i kinda feel like they're a safe space you know? BUT the fandom can be so fucking tiring and annoying sometimes. not everything louis and harry do have to do with larry and that's okay!!!!!! (i know saying something like that can get you dragged to hell in this fandom...anyways. lol) not everything is an easter egg. not everything has to be interpreted (?) a certain way. i know it's fun to find little things in their music that are connected, i get the thrill. but sometimes it's too much, the fandom makes the most out of too little things and it's so ??????. my issue is mostly with how some people in the fandom view louis and his ideas and themes and stuff. let him have his fucking moment without connecting EVERYTHING, every single little detail of his art to harry. they are their own individuals and they have their own career and they make their own art. there are connections and parallels, someone has to be dumb not to see them but sometimes it's good to let them have something for themselves each. - i.e. i saw someone making the fitf ono about how harry had one too and blah blah married yeah we get it!!!!! but what the FUCK does louis promoting his album have to do with harry? what the hell does louis having one, two, whatever special concerts to promote his album have to do with harry? it's like, louis follows every step harry takes (i'm always speaking in terms of their career and art), he does whatever harry does, he doesn't have creative freedom (? not the right phrase but idk how else to say it sorry). it's like some people see his work as a copy of harry's, you know what i mean? this is not meant to be sorry for louis or to pity him, i know he hates that and i know you do too. it's more like, louis is his own person, OUTSIDE of the relationship!!! (as is harry of course), not everything he does has to be depended on the relationship or his partner, he has his own mind, his own ideas, his own creativity. he doesn't have to have anyone as a "step" where he has to be on to build his career (does that make sense?). he's gaining sooooooo much popularity and recognition, i know walls was successful, but this era is on another level. let him fucking have this for HIMSELF. he did that HIMSELF. it's kinda unfair to take that away from him by implying that everything he does has to do with anyone but him.

anyway, this is where the rant ends. didn't wanna make a post about it bc as i said, saying this stuff can get you dragged to hell in this fandom bc let's be honest, there are certain opinions that apparently everyone has to have. thank you for your time and patience. post it if you want, or not idk. of course i'd love to hear your opinion on this. byyeeeeee <3

anon im so glad u came back i was hoping to see a msg from u when i got home from class.

i think im largely on the same page as you!!! i consider myself a larrie and thats mainly who i follow and who my friends r, like thats my Circle in the fandom, but it can be very exhausting when its the only lens ppl use to look at their art. not only is it just a tad annoying, i think its pretty dismissive and reductive to take that approach every time. i have similar feelings abt taylor when ppl jump to immediately connect a song to her public life story and then dont go further. for me its like.... there is so much more to a song (or any piece of art) than its "true" meaning (and i say that liberally because even when larries connect on of hl's songs to the other or their real lives, this is no more "true" than connecting a song to a girlfriend, etc, i think there's too much certainty by fans in this fandom) and it limits ur enjoyment of a song i think to not push to break out of that box.

also i think people drawing connections between career stuff is mostly. connecting dots that arent there. one-off concerts are not a rarity and theres already differences in their album release shows. i dont follow many musicians super closely, but i believe ashe also had an album release show last month. and (iirc) lthq said these shows will be a mix of songs from walls and fitf (so it wont be a straight through play of the album like harry's ono show are).

I hate that swifties just turned against Joe without any actual evidence and when the pictures of him looking rough came out, they were celebrating and going after his looks (like they are doing with Matty) and it made me want to punch them (not literally) and I'm not part of the fandom at all, it simply was trending on twitter and checked what happened. And now recently they've been putting Matty against Joe and while the majority is hyping Joe up again simply because they hate Matty, the ones who prefer Matty instead also get on my nerves because they are like "he's problematic but at least he displays affection publicly" and the reason why that upsets me so much is because everyone likes really shy introverts when they need someone they can trust but then suddenly we're "cold" and "too reserved" and "should change" the minute we're no longer useful and seeing those tweets just makes me so fucking sad because I am so quiet in public and I really don't do the whole PDA thing but my heart is feeling with love for the people I'm close with and I sympathize with how Joe must be feeling. There was a video going around of Joe at her show and you can see the heart eyes filled with emotion but you can also see that he's so shy and anxious about being in public.

And people being like "she deserves more" has broken my heart. it just triggered something in me. Everyone who's just a little bit like Joe knows the feeling of dating an extrovert or simply someone with a lot of friends and trying so hard to overcome our limitations and still seeing our efforts being ignored. And then people acting like Taylor did him a huge favor for dating him because in their heads "no way she'd be truly happy with someone like that"... We're not all bad, we've got our flaws but we deserve love too and we've got a lot of love to give... (sorry this is more like a personal rant)

As the self-appointed queen of introverts, I completely agree with you. In fact, now you're making me wonder if that's the reason I like joe? haha. I had never psychoanalyzed my soft spot for him, but, when you mentioned the videos of Joe standing in the audience and watching Taylor, you reminded me of a moment from my teens when we were at some big family party and...well, I get anxious asking the Barista for a straw at starbucks, I'm not a dancer. So, I was just kind of in the corner, clapping. much like Joe is in that clip, still having a good time in my own lil way, and my mom came up to me and gave me this whole ass speech about how I don't know how to have fun, lol.

BUT, whatever the swifties or Joe haters say, the facts speak for themselves. Fact: This has been Taylor's longest ever relationship. Fact: she literally wrote him a song that says "people think loves for show but i would die for you in secret." Is that not the best response to these idiots? Fact: she said she'd give him a child if he wanted. Does that sound like someone who isn't truly happy? Fact: one of her songs promises to marry him with paper rings even though she "likes shiny things." If the literary scholars who analyze every single word she writes and its meanings are ignoring these facts, it's because they're looking for someone to hate. Doesn't matter. Taylor and Joe know the love that they shared.

In fact, I'm feeling kind of the opposite haha. people are hating on joe's introverted nature now that he's left Taylor, but im enjoying Matty's weird nervousness around her friends now that he's enter her space. Sure he's sweet when he dances and wears her merch, but what's more important is that he's unsure and out of his element but trying his best anyway. which is how I feel in all social situations hahahaha.

everyone is just trying to get through this miserable life giving love and hoping to receive it in return. why would we make things extra hard on each other by comparing partners or deciding what Taylor should value or whatever? its dumb and pointless and breeds misery.

okay no hate. GENUINELY no hate.

But like- (I’m just clearing the air. I’m not even that invested in the fandom. I’m not a buddie shipper. I don’t force things or look for things that aren’t there.) what do people find in BT?

Now I’ve not gone in depth into analysis or anything. This is just an objective outside view. I don’t…. Like their relationship? Maybe it’s just a dislike for Taylor in general.

Remember this is just the most casual approach I’m taking. But after Dosed, I just- i couldn’t ever trust, forgive or like her.

And though we never got to see that much of them, I genuinely like both Abby and Ali.

Abby and Buck helped each other through a lot, and needed each other for some time, and even though Buck clearly wasn’t ready just yet, I still do respect Abby’s decision to find herself. -though I do genuinely wish she was a bit more upfront with him. I wish she’d have told him from the beginning that it was more than likely over-.

And I really did genuinely LIKE Ali. Despite how little we saw of her. She seemed sweet. She had some sarcasm in her and she was witty and I don’t know- I JUST REALLY LIKED HER.😂

But I just- don’t get what people see in BT?

Abby brought something to the relationship and helped Buck grow; helped him mature.

His relationship with Ali showed that maturity. Showed that growth in his choice to be responsible. Sure, she was quite absent on screen, but she was there when he was getting his apartment -a big step for Buck- and their breakup was clean and founded on comfortable needs. I get that.

I respect her decision to break up. That fear of your loved one not coming home in one piece- OR NOT AT ALL FOR THAT MATTER.

And again, this could just be my genuine, outward, blatant dislike for Taylor. But I don’t see anything in the BT relationship and wonder why people like it so much.

Sorry if this came across as rude. I truly am.

I’m just curious. And you seem knowledgeable on the topic. So… help?

Thanking you in advance and I hope you’ve been having an awesome day or night!

💖💖💖.

So first off don't worry, you definitely aren't coming across as rude at all! And I really appreciate your ask ❤️❤️

Okay so I'm sure I don't speak for all BuckTaylor shippers, but I can at least offer my perspective on all this.

First off, if you actually go back through all... *checks* Um... almost 11k posts on my blog, you'll find that I actually hated Taylor at first too. I loved her as a character and thought she was absolutely fantastic and was very happy whenever she was on my screen, but I fucking hated her. And it was 100% because of what she did to Bobby in Dosed.

However, that is part of why I love her so much NOW! Because if she hadn't had that starting point, her growth wouldn't have been as beautiful or as heartfelt. If you have nowhere to grow from, growth doesn't mean as much.

And the fact of the matter is, the entire world suffered a trauma. And Taylor was there in the thick of it - every single day, keeping track of the dead and the dying, talking with people who have suffered unimaginable losses, talking with people who lost their homes, their livelihoods, their loved ones. And a lot of people wouldn't have been able to keep at it, but not Taylor. A lot of people broke under the strain of all of that, but not Taylor. COVID didn't break her, it made her kind.

She stopped seeing people's stories as being something that she can exploit for her own purposes, and started seeing them people behind the story. She started really understanding what Buck said about Bobby: "To him we're not the story. We're just here to make sure no story ends before it should."

(side note: the fact that arguably the BIGGEST Bobby stan in the fandom [me] has forgiven her for what she did to him in Dosed should probably say a lot)

And then as to her relationship with Buck - again I can't speak for everybody, but I can speak for myself.

And the fact of the matter is, Taylor is exactly the kind of person Buck needs in his life.

I actually really loved Ali and would have liked to see more of her, but I do have to disagree with you about their relationship. That maturity that you're talking about - him finally getting his own place, etc. - was not because of Ali. That was because of Abby. Just because Ali was there when it happened doesn't necessarily mean that she was the source of that.

And the fact of the matter is, Buck doesn't need another mother/big sister. He doesn't need somebody else who will take care of him. What he needs is somebody who will challenge him, because the boy is CONSTANTLY getting stuck into his own head, and it's not helpful to him or anybody else when everybody around him coddles him.

Even Buck's behavior towards Ravi, which was pretty inexcusable, was deemed fine/acceptable by the 118 because they understand what he's going through. And while that was genuinely sweet, it wasn't helpful for Buck. Meanwhile Taylor actually challenges him to think outside of his own perspective, all while genuinely supporting him in the ways he needs to be supported.

And the fact of the matter is, Buck NEEDS somebody who will help him grow, because he has grown stagnant. He keeps talking about Buck's 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0, but he's so focused on THAT that he doesn't even realize... there's hardly any difference. He's so completely up in his own head that he's no longer self-aware of his flaws, or of his lack of growth. His relationship with Abby was fantastic because she helped him move on from many of the issues he was having. He knew he had no respect for himself, and not enough respect for the women he was constantly sleeping with. But he was so desperate for that "fix" that he didn't have the willpower to really do anything about it. Abby helped him realize that a relationship can be fulfilling even outside of the sexual pleasures. She helped him find enough self-worth that he didn't need the constant gratification of sex. And she helped him become much less self-obsessed by offering him something else important to focus on - not just his own wants or needs or desires. (also my focus is on BuckTaylor so I'm not gonna go into what she got out of the relationship because it's irrelevant here).

And then she left, and while he didn't regress into his "sex addict" ways, he did regress to that mentality again. He regressed into somebody who needs constant affirmation because he doesn't have enough self-worth without it. He regressed into somebody who is too self-obsessed to see past his own viewpoint. And that's not Abby's fault (nor is it Ali's fault). It's just what happened.

And unfortunately, while Ali was sweet and witty and wonderful, their relationship was too much about her taking care of him. She didn't challenge him to get out of that mindset or to grow - like he had to do to be worthy of Abby. And that's where the stagnation really started.

And with Taylor? Yes, obviously there's a fantastic sexual element to their relationship, but that's only a part of what's going on. She's the best of all the worlds. She challenges him to grow the way that Abby did, helps get him out of his head so that he's not so self-obsessed, and encourages his sense of self-worth all while supporting the fact that sometimes... it's okay that nothing is going right and you need to be self-focused.

honestly for someone who hates ariana grande you sure as hell have a lot of tags/ posts with her name in it. i was just scrolling through and i can’t help but call out some shit that’s just so untrue. starting with the fact that ariana never ever liked any racist tweets about asian’s. there is absolutely no proof of that. during that whole asian singer out charting her thing she liked ONE tweet about scooter and it said nothing offensive about anyone. and the guy actually didn’t outsell her by the way, the whole was ended up being explained. 2. she doesn’t have 36 co writers on positions. all the lyrics and melodies are written by her and one or two other people and has been like that since sweetener. it literally says it in the vinyl. those other people are producers. she also engineered and vocal arranged/ produced the entire positions album. 3. that birthday party she had in june 2020 was with her closest friends and family who she was seeing the entirety of quarantine and there definitely wasn’t 20+ people. you act like taylor didn’t shoot music videos in july 2020 for folklore and more for evermore after that. and had an entire camera crew shooting the long pond thingy. and that video you showed comparing the two about getting people tested.. taylor was talking about folklore JULY 2020 ariana was referring to positions which was in october. also nobody had to catch flights or leave their families for ariana’s music video. everyone she works with, down to who does her hair & makeup and choreographs her videos are her literal best friends who are family to her. especially the positions mv. all those people were her family & best friends in it. i’m not saying you have to like her but everything you say about her is down right bullshit. you sound dumb when you have zero idea about what you’re talking about

oh and she never praised scooter for anything he did towards taylor she literally said “i love you tay” when that whole thing went down. and when did she gaslight taylor. you say things that’s never happened, spreading false information about her and it’s unfair. and you really need to stop saying she doesn’t write her own music because she literally does with either her two best friends tayla and victoria or either max martin and llya who taylor wrote with multiple times

yes she still has scooter employed but i think we both know how hard it can be to exit his management/ record label. he’s controlled her life before, her relationships and withered his way back into life probably with manipulation. he literally forced her to put ghostin on thank u next and she begged him saying she didn’t want to. he controls and manipulates her as well. hate her all you want but for the love of god learn your facts before u speak.

.... you went through an entire blog you don't even follow just to find shit to be angry about? on a saturday night? ma'am... i need to you chill the fuck out.

also just some corrections:

scooter was the one being racist, ariana let him do that and did not tell him to stop and liking his bullshit tweets encouraged that behavior. also, her constantly saying 'i don't care about charts' and then berating and invalidating anyone who threatens her getting a no 1 doesn't;t make sense to me.

'ariana wrote every all the lyrics and melodies on positions' BITCH WHERE. there are like 16 writers on that album in total (it's literally on the fandom wiki and genius). there is not a single song that is self-written. also you trying to flex that she produced the album is so funny because the production is the worst part of the album. it's dated on overdone, within the industry, and in her own discography. in the wise words of the youtube reactor ajayll 'maybe she did not have access to a lot of producers....'

so let me get this straight... during a pandemic ariana was living with like 10 people... that isn't as good as you think it is? if one person gets it then it spreads to 10+ people all at once. maybe don't celebrate a huge party during a pandemic? i know it's a lot to ask for her not to be the center of attention but man...

taylor shot one video for folklore. she was the only person on set. she the only person in the video. no co-stars. she also directed the video. she did her own hair and makeup. so no contact with anyone seems pretty great to me. ariana was surrounded by people constantly throughout that video, she had stylists, fittings, makeup, etc. she didn't do anything herself. she also filmed multiple videos with a bunch of extras near her... all during the pandemic. and it doesn't matter that the people who's lives she put at risk were her friends/family? i don't know why you keep thinking that's a good point to make... just makes her look more selfish.

taylor didn't have 'a whole camera crew' for the folklore documentary. it was all automatic steady cam, which means the camera track movement themselves and don't need a camera operator. she also directed it.

the shoutout to taylor when the whole scooter thing went down was proven to be a fake screenshot. the only thing that wasn't fake was her congratulating scooter with a screenshot of the sexist comment saying 'congrats fr buying taylor swift' on it.

but yeah I'm the one who is dumb and has 'no idea what they're talking about'....just the one with the facts I guess....

as a lesbian who's sexuality was heavily discusses by other in people in high school before I figured myself out, and a new louie (I joined the fandom in 2020 when walls came out) I think we need to be VERY careful as to where we discuss his sexuality. generally, tumblr and group chats are not places where new fans learn things, but I remember getting into his music and reading comments on youtube and they were ALL about him being closeted, and about larry and that was so WEIRD to me. a lot of celebrities have gay rumours, like taylor swift but they are not that prevalent and accesible to people who don't really "stan" them, you know? ironically, that's what got me into him in a way. I was suddenly watching larry compilations and reading timelines about them. I have my own thoughts about it (they resemble yours, but not entirely. I don't think babygate is a thing, but I dislike harry and unfortunately I believe larry was a thing lol) it kind of pulled me in and made me see a whole other side of him, but it SHOULDN'T be like that. it sickens me to remember the feeling of having your sexuality constantly speculated. it's scary. he's clearly closeted, I don't think he likes that every single comment on his youtube videos are about some past secret relationship. in general it doesn't give him a good image and a good fandom. when I joined, I was a bit struck with the harsh categories in the fandom. larries, houies, solo rad louies, solo louies who believe that larry used to be a think and think elounor is a stunt, elounories, louies who don't give a fuck, etc. it's a bit daunting??? lmao im rambling at this point but I just think we should be careful. we shouldn't make viral tweets about his sexuality and wether he likes it up the ass or not - that kind of jokes should be kept here in tumblr or groupchats. it scares new fans and it's disrespectful to him, in a way. it's true that louis queercodes and tries to "let us know" in a way. but he isn't out. a good example that comes to mind is daniel howell, a YouTuber who used to be in the closet and his relationship with "his friend" was CONSTANTLY questioned and tried to be proven as a relationship by fans. he came out last year, confirming the relationship with his boyfriend phil, and talked about how stressful fan speculation can be. I'm not saying it's the same as what louis goes through, since he chose to closet himself and louis didn't, but it is still quite interesting!! I recommend everyone (and you, sea!) to watch his coming out video if you haven't, it gives good insight on the entertainment industry and closeting and fandoms! anyways this is way too long sorry!!! thanks for giving us this space sea, and sorry if my English is confusing!!

Hello!

I appreciate these thoughts very much. I did see Dan’s video when he first released it, and I understand your concerns very clearly.

These issues have evolved through the years so that fans treat them with coarseness and nonchalance, as if Louis shouldn’t care about them, and even worse, as if discussing them so publicly is any sign of “support” from fans. These presumptions are invasive and inconsiderate in the extreme. Any comment under creative works— music videos, Louis’ Instagram, his Tweets— should make no assumptions about his private life.