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I wanted to share this with you all.
After the final i was very sad because i couldn't understand how they got only a few points while they recived so much Love on all platforms.
This numbers explain a lot for me and made me a little bit happy. lotl was not last in the public vote they only missed toi oftend the 11th place after which they actually recived Points.
#esc 2023#eurovision#lord of the lost#metal#music#lotl#gothic#rock#germany#voting#televote#chris harms#alternative rock#eurovision song contest#public votes#esc#eurovisionfans
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Is Norway's 60/40 Split The Future Of Eurovision?
Is Norway's 60/40 Split The Future Of Eurovision?
At Melodi Grand Prix in Norway this year, the public was given 60 per cent of the voting share, whereas international juries made up 40 per cent of the total points distribution. Ben Robertson looks at how this change impacted Norway's result and if Eurovision should learn from what Norway has introduced this year.
Congratulations to Gåte, the Norwegian band who brought their take on a traditional folktale to Melodi Grand Prix, who now have the chance to take it to the whole Eurovision Song Contest.
Outside the dancing robots, tender ballads and the insane statistics that all qualifiers were drawn in last three songs in each heat, the thing that caught my attention about Melodi Grand Prix is the voting…
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#40/60#50/50#60/40#esc#eurovision#gåte#juries#jury#keiino#melodi grand prix#mgp#nrk#public#song contest#stig karlsen#televote
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Stockholm 2000: Televoting
Time for a controversial take. 2000 is the year that Eurovision was sabotaged. Not by the delegations or broadcasters. Not by the EBU and their decisions. Not by the organisers nor the acts, nor even the commentators. But by Eurovision fans and voters themselves. Their conservatism led to them clinging to the old school when they had all manner of wonderful other songs to pick from both in the national finals and at Eurovision itself.
Maybe the EBU was trying to change things too quickly. Trying to evolve the competition to more readily align with what was going on in European popular music culture was always going to need the fans to be on board. But fans cling to what they know - trying to change that is like trying to change the direction of an oil tanker. It takes time. This was the year that tension snapped.
None of the best efforts of the delegations paid off. The final itself was full of safe, unchallenging songs, and a very safe song won by a surprisingly big margin. The televote was laser focussed on a small number of songs across Europe. Two songs would have received nul points if it wasn't for those countries using juries. Another would have received only a single point. The shock of 2021 nearly happened 21 years earlier.
Another factor uniting several of the successful songs this year was gimmicks. Denmark had a vocoder. Latvia had abundant quirk, Germany had the super sack of German TV, a hypeman and lyrical nonsense. All of these grabbed the attention and the appeal to the proto-meme crowd drew votes. They all got reasonable draws too.
Abetting this reluctance to vote for different things was a structural problem. When the voting in the national finals is comprised of a proportion of jury votes and another proportion of televotes (and perhaps more groups of votes), there often exists the situation where the opinion of the juries and the public is divided. This gives rise to the possibility for a third song to emerge as the winner. Typically a compromise song without anything notably good about it, but at least it's not that other song. The vanilla compromise.
In the final itself, there were still the same factors affecting the televote as previous years. There were six juries this year because of combination of phone network issues and the tragedy in the Netherlands leading to Eurovision being taken off-air halfway through. A quarter of all the votes came from juries in this era of 100% televotes.
Again there were jury favourites and televote favourites. Markedly so. If it hadn't been for the juries, both Belgium and France would have received nul points. Switzerland would have only got a single point. 72% of Romania's points came from juries. Croatia finished 9th overall but received more than 50% of their points from the six juries. In fact Croatia was the joint jury winner alongside Denmark. Estonia finished 4th and nearly half of their points also came from the six juries. In a shocking display of sanity from the televote, the juries also gave Macedonia most of their points too, and that's despite one of the juries being Macedonian and therefore unable to vote for their own act.
On the flipside, the televote strongly favoured Latvia, Russia, the Netherlands and Ireland, each getting 85% for more of their points from the televote. In the case of Latvia, they got 128 points from the televote and 8 from the juries, and for Russia 139 points from the televote and only 19 from juries.
The overall winner was both the televote and (joint) jury winner so there was no controversy on that count. There was a bias in both the jury vote and the televote for the second half of the contest again, with the televote being more biased once more. The running order continues to be problematic.
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last esc post i prommy but here is how i would fix eurovision
a) jury vote value down to 25%, televote 75%
b) winners of past years can only feature as guests, not contestants. you had your shot, now move on
c) national juries need to have a fixed number of people from music related backgrounds reflecting diverse tastes and opinions, and jury lists should be public for transparency. keeping their names secret to avoid bribery has not prevented bribery from happening nonetheless
d) make votes cost the same for everyone. when some countries pay 0.20€ per vote and others well above 1€ that's gonna skew results
e) and lastly, get rid of israel
#esc 2023#eurovision#put me in charge goddammit i can do better than martin österdahl#no opinion as of yet on the worldwide vote#this year's televote was almost as rancid as the jury vote ngl but i would like to see stats on where people were acc voting from#idk how representative the worldwide vote actually was
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Look at these televotes everyone!!!
18 x 12 points for Finland
And NO 12 points for Sweden
I am not getting over this
Finnish people REALLY wanted that victory 😭😭
#eurovision 2023#eurovision#finland#suomi#sweden#ruotsi#esc#esc 2023#esc23#televotes#käärijä#loreen#esc finland#esc sweden
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It's that time of the year again... We're close to the final and here are the comments once more about Greece/Cyprus 12 points romance (yes, ik that this year Greece will give them elsewhere).
I'm gonna talk about committees and not televoters.
Europe doesn't like Greece (not gonna talk about Cyprus 'cause I don't live there). Eurovision is about politics, no matter what the juries say. Voting each other is because we have each other's backs. If we don't do it, who tf will??? It's rare for other European Committees to give us 12 points even if our song deserves it.
So, for anyone who has a fucking problem, go cry about it somewhere else, because frankly that shit is pissing me tf off.
#eurovision 2022#eurovision#torino#the sound of music#greece#cyprus#juries#televote#random rant#mini rant
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FINLAND winning the televote with a record of 376 points and achieving the country’s second best placement ever after taking part in Eurovision for 62 years.
#feels like a dream#it took us 45 years to win and this is only the second time ever we've placed in top 5#also we qualified three years in a row which is also a record :')#also Käärijä got more points from the televote than Lordi did with the same amount of countries#let that sink in#Lordi got an average of 8.1 points per country#Käärijä got an average of 10.4 points per country#Lordi got 12 points from 8 countries#Käärijä got 12 points from 18 countries#he is our biggest Eurovision hero of all time <3#käärijä#finland#eurovision#2023
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well at least sweden voted for finland
#also the televote is gonna be CRAZYYY for finland holy shit#glad theyre beating austria tho#eurovision
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I LOVE KÄÄRIJÄ SO MUCH
#WHAT IF I CRIED AFTER THAT PERDORMANCE#HOW AM I MEANT TO JUST SEE THE TELEVOTES AFTER THIS#BWAAAA#käärijä
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2023 fucks up the statistics by having televote-only semis and ROTW vote
2022 fucks up the statistics by having a televote winner that is an outlier adn should not be counted
2020 fucks up the statistics by not happening
good lord, what kind of fuckery is gonna ruin my pretty excel spreadsheet this year?
#eurovision#esc#and don't even get me started on pre-split vote era!#the split results are nowhere to be found on the esc website and some countries either had only televote or only juries!#like hello? what the fuck?!
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Changing Eurovision's Delicate Balance Between Jury And Televote
Changing Eurovision's Delicate Balance Between Jury And Televote
The system for allocating points in the Grand Final of the Eurovision Song Contest has been more-or-less stable since 2016. In that year, the points allocated by televoters and juries were split, with each country’s jury and televote awarding 1-8, 10, and 12 each, rather than having them combined. The televote and jury vote was equally weighted. The introduction of a televote from the rest of the…
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#cha cha cha#dami im#duncan laurence#esc#eurovision song contest#jamala#jury#kaiino#käärijä#Liverpool#loreen#sergey lazarev#tamara todevska#tattoo#televote
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Jerusalem 1999: Televoting
Like 1998, 1999 was 100% Televote. Except like 1998, it wasn't really. There were four countries (Lithuania, Türkiye, Ireland, and Bosnia and Herzegovina) that used juries. Having those jury votes once again lets me look at which countries and songs were jury favourites and which weren't, examine the effect of the running order, and a few other little things.
First, there were some notable jury favourites. Poland and Ireland got more than 70% of their entire vote from the juries. In the case of Ireland that was from just three juries, as they couldn't vote for themselves. Slovenia also got more than 50% of their entire vote from the four juries. What do all these songs have in common? Why, they're all big vocal ballads of course!
Looking at it from the other side (ignoring those countries that only got a few points entire from the televote), the big televote winners were Israel with an upbeat, birthday related song. Also doing well with the televote were Bosnia & Herzegovina (ethnic instrumentation and a little non-standard), Norway (hmmm) and Denmark (contemporary ballad) all of whom got fewer than 10% of their vote totals from the juries.
There was again a marked effect of running order on the televote. I split the contest into a first half and second half, excluding Poland as there are an odd number of entries, and they're in the middle. The jury vote is split 45% first half to 49% second half while the televote is split 33% first half to 67% second half. The running order effect is not quite as marked as in 1998, but it is still present.
Another stat that highlights the running order effect is the number of top ten finishes in each half. Three of the top ten are from the first half while the other seven are in the second half.
One noticeable effect on the scoring came not from the televote, but from the running order putting the two big songs almost next to each other, with only Cyprus separating them. Poor Cyprus got annihilated in the vote. Poland and Portugal either side of this power sandwich didn't fare much better.
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Omg this is so not fair. I have been a fan of Lord of the lost for years and I've seen them live, they are super talented and such nice people. The performance was amazing and the song was so good, I don't understand how it could have ended up in the last place. Go listen to their other albums, I promise it's worth it
#eurovision#esc#lord of the lost#germany#also very disappointed with the winner finland was much much better#and how could fucking poland get so many televotes wtf#and of course ukraine deserved better from the juries
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Hey everyone, don't cry, Finland got televote points from every single country this Eurovision. Everyone, in some capacity, looked at Käärijä and went, yeah we like him, give him points. All 36 others and the rest of the world voted for him
#chill to reblog#eurovision#käärijä#sweden cant say the same they're missing one#finland didnt televote for sweden
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