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galsgeneration · 1 year

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Same asker as the previous query about ships here. I wanna know how you feel about Shadow/Espio. It’s one of my fave ships, but there’s so little content for it even compared to other rarepairs. I feel that it’s OOC to some extent, as most ships with Shadow are (including Sonadow imo, even though I love that ship too) but I’m curious if/how you think Shadpio could work. And what you think about their dynamic in general. I’m always researching them but I assume you’d be more knowledgeable.

That's an awesome question! There's a particular charm in Shadow and Espio's dynamic when we get to analyze the characters' individual traits being displayed in the short interactions they've had thus far.

Considering the definition of "ship" in fandom usually leans toward romance, I personally can't see Shadow involved in some form with any of the characters, judging by how he thinks, acts and what we can conclude from his dangerously pure nature in the canon material (including Sonic X, as his characterization in the japanese script is faithful to his game counterpart). Espio, on the other hand, appears to be slightly more open to a conventional approach on the matter, but that would require further development and exploration on his relationships with other characters beyond the Chaotix, like Sonic, Rouge, Silver, etc.

As for creative content taking from the canon, it's only "out of character" if the intention within how they think of the other is somewhat changed, along with the characters' core traits, main relationships and their influence (or not) in the context of the specific moments they share with one another. With that being said, I can only say my personal thoughts on them based on what SEGA has already explored/showed, without going into "shipping" and "TV tropes" territory or "non-canon" media (i.e. Archie comics and The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog).

Shadow and Espio share a few similarities here and there, when it comes to their methods and decisions upon facing the emergence of a threat and the opportunity to strike at the right moment (i.e. their stance on Mr. Tinker/Dr. Eggman before and after the Metal Virus incident in the IDW comics, except that Shadow was hellbent on taking him down straight away while Espio only verbalized the idea to Sonic after having to deal with the outcome himself). They are not opposed to killing, either.

Although Shadow is cold-natured (bearing in mind he's also a man-made weapon), Espio has a rather calm, stealthy and deadly approach in battle that's almost a parallel to Shadow's more feisty, ruthless combat style. Their fighting tactics are precise and deceptive, whether in an ambush or general warfare - each in their own specialty, since Shadow is a master in Chaos Control and Espio a nin-jutsu specialist ninja - and they're equally confident in their skills. Striking from behind and when the foe least expects it can be quite their thing, too.

I enjoy the first look we got into their dynamic during the Semi-Hero route of Shadow the Hedgehog (2005), after the events of Sonic Heroes. Understanding that Shadow was seeking for the truth about himself and his past, it's easier to picture how Espio could affect and assist Shadow in the future (if SEGA ever considers the idea) after they situationally teamed up when infiltrating Dr. Eggman's database. Espio had asked Shadow if he felt like giving him a hand in looking for some information the Chaotix needed at the time, and Shadow hoped to find something useful about himself. Therefore, the mutual aid would only be beneficial. In one of the japanese summaries of the game for the boss battle following this specific mission, Shadow acknowledges Espio's role in defeating the Doctor and escaping the electronic world with him.

Something I also find curious is the way Espio managed (or at least tried) to bring Shadow back to the present throughout the mission, upon noticing how much the doubts and misleading offers kept getting at Shadow. There's a lot of cool and high-spirited lines coming from Espio to ground and help Shadow zero in back on his main goal (i.e. "Stop thinking about it, let's just keep going"; "It's all nonsense talk to trick you at the end of the day"; "Right now, let's focus on defeating [Dr. Eggman] to get out of here."). Hence, I can see Shadow being neutral towards Espio as he never stood on his way, nor manipulated him for his own gain (Espio doesn't like dishonesty, after all!).

Despite the whole ordeal Shadow went through in his self-titled game, it's a fact that Shadow can be impulsive when dabbling with danger, meaning he can be distracted once caught up in his own thoughts/emotions or the thrill of a challenge sometimes. It's a nice detail in opposition to Espio's cautious behavior, since he isn't distracted easily; even when his team is at risk, he attempts to keep himself level-headed and not lose his focus.

Still, something they absolutely have in common is an interest for dangerous missions and (the semblance of) perfectionism. Espio enjoys the "aesthetic" of staying in the shadows, though he sometimes makes the mistake of sneezing and compromising his invisibility; Shadow is a perfectionist by his own standards and doesn't tolerate anything but the ultimate performance from himself and others (even if he miscalculates at times due to a myriad of reasons). The manner that Shadow and Espio see the topic of perfectionism and balance can be an intriguing point for conflict, too.

On another note, during the only verbal interaction between the two in Sonic X, Espio asks Shadow if he's going to rescue Dr. Eggman after the Chaotix gave him a ride, in which Shadow responds that his only target is Dark Oak. This also shows how Espio doesn't know exactly/can predict Shadow's motivations or actions, but his optimism remains present nonetheless. Regardless of the events in the anime not being canon, we can see how direct and brief their conversations are, especially after Shadow's clarification (and subtle correction). This aspect is not different in the mainline games, as they only address the other when it's extremely necessary, or if the situation calls for a change.

All in all, I believe Shadow and Espio, as a dynamic and hypotetical "pairing," can be very interesting if we put these moments into perspective instead of latching onto popular tropes we find oftenly in the fandom (it's also the case for many other fictional ones).

My thoughts and considerations on them got longer than I intended, but I hope this is what you expected to read (and understand) from how I view them! They do have the potential to work as an intriguing, fleeting duo in the absence of the Chaotix and/or Shadow's usual allies, but that's all up to SEGA. 😜

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hygrysica · 1 day

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✩₊˚.⋆Quick intro⋆₊˚⊹♡

Hello! You can call me Hygrysica- I'm a minor and I use she/her

• I'm going to mainly post sonic the hedgehog drawings/doodles

• I may post some brawlstars doodles as well!

My comfort ships:

– Espilver

– Shadpio

– Fang x Shelly

– Mr P x Buzz

Dni!

• Darkshipers (or any problematic ships shippers)

• Vecpio fans!

• Anyone hating my comfort ships

Ps. Since English isn't my first language please dont mind my bad grammar etc. This intro took me a few times to do😭 ik i aded a lot dividers, just trying to make it look pretty

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lea-andres · 1 year

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Since someone already stole Vector from me /lh I will say Espio and Sonic!!

Espio first!

Sexuality Headcanon: Bisexual! We've seen in Sonic Rivals 2 he definitely likes his men, but I'm not convinced women are off the table for Espio.

Gender Headcanon: Who cares about gender when you're a fucking ninja! 😂 He's like Silver, he/him's kinda the default, but I don't think Espio would get mad if you called him a they or a she.

A ship I have with said character: Espilver!! And Espave and Knuxpio and Espighty and Shadpio and Sonpio and-

A BROTP I have with said character: Him and Vector, as previously discussed. Him and Charmy is also quite sweet... 😭 Also I like to think he and Rouge could be fun. They're friends, but Rouge would pursue him in other ways if he was interested (and he's made it VERY CLEAR he's not LOL)

A NOTP I have with said character: 🤔🤔🤔

A random headcanon: He's such a mood killer sometimes LMAO I love him.

General Opinion over said character: I love this cranky wet sock ninja boi. *Pats his head*

And Sonic!

Sexuality Headcanon: Is he gay? Is he aro/ace? He's definitely not straight, that's for sure.

Gender Headcanon: I'm so used to Sonic being trans I get confused when I look at official art/renders of him and his top scars aren't there. 😂 YOU DID THIS TO ME! *shakes the Sonic fandom*

A ship I have with said character: See, I don't think Sonic's a committed relationships guy. I can't see him settling down and having a family with anyone. A relationship with Sonic would be he turns up, you engage in athletic shenanigans for a while, and then he runs off again.

My favorite is SonJet, but there's several ships I could see working with this formula.

A BROTP I have with said character: Him and Tails... The brothers!!! 😭

A NOTP I have with said character: I mean, Sonadow's been a little ruined for me, but I don't know if I'd fully call it a NOTP... 🤔

A random headcanon: There's no brain cells anywhere when the world isn't in danger. If I had a nickel everytime Sonic started the locker room shenanigans in my fic When the Day Met the Night, I'd have MANY NICKELS-

General Opinion over said character: He's a Creature. Admittedly not my fave, because we spend so much time with him and so I like to explore his friends more because we see them way less, but I do like him.

#espio the chameleon #sonic the hedgehog

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edwardnebula · 26 days

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Hey I want yall to look at these cringe guys

Silly addition under the cut

knuckles is so done with their shit

i feel like they only flirt in front of him because no one will believe him

#espio the chameleon #shadow the hedgehog #tdtdau #sonic fanart #shadpio

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umbramus · 2 years

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Why the feck is it called 'shadpio'? That sounds so dumb like SHAD-PEE-O? HELLO?? Just call it espiadow shadespio or something! Anything but "ShAdPiO"

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gogocrazycocoa · 2 years

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Rating popular Sonic ships!

Rating system:

0/10 - I can’t stand it

4/10 - I’m mostly neutral to it

10/10 or higher - I love this ship and it’s one of my favorites

Sonamy - 4.5/10

What I like: They look really good together. It’s confirmed that Sonic reciprocates but doesn’t date her because he doesn’t want to be in a relationship, so it could really easily become canon.

What I dislike: The age gap is a bit weird. They would also be fairly unhealthy in canon. If you want me to go into detail, I will.

Sonadow - 5.5/10

What I like: I’m a sucker for an rivals to lovers. Also they look pretty decent together, but not as good as Sonic and Amy. We also know that without Sonic Shadow’s character development from SA2 is reversed. Also it’s nice it has so much content.

What I dislike: Oh god the people who ship this are actual garbage at times. The shippers are some of the horniest bastards I’ve ever seen if I’m being honest. Also there are so many debates about Shadow’s age. Also with the Colors era characterization (which i despise), he seems to not like Sonic that much and seems to act like he’s always right. An example would be during the Zombot arc where he tries to run into a horde of zombots.

Sonknux - 7/10

What I like: Sonic and Knuckles are very close and worked together on several occasions. Also we see Sonic help Knuckles realize Robotnik has duped him. Also it has a good amount of angst potential. Also another rivals to lovers.

What I dislike: Oh god this would not work out in canon due to Knuckles protecting the M.E and Sonic having to fight Robotnik. Also some people see them having a fraternal bond.

Sonally - 8.5/10

What I like: We see them literally be a happy couple at points. And I don’t just like them because they’re canon, but we see them have good chemistry.

What I dislike: OH GOOD LORD THE ARCHIE COMICS GET WEIRD AND FUCK WITH THEIR RELATIONSHIP.

Sonilver - 7/10

What I like: OH GOOD LORD THEY’RE ADORABLE AT TIMES

What I dislike: OH GOOD LORD THEY WOULD NOT WORK OUT DUE TO SILVER BEING FROM THE FUTURE

Sonaze - 2/10

What I like: Sonic teaches Blaze about friendship and stuff.

What I dislike: I’ve never really had a reason for disliking them together, I just never really liked it. I don’t know why.

Sonjet - 6/10

What i like: As previously stated, I love a good rivals to lovers. Also this ship has some of the best fanart I’ve seen compared to most ships.

What I dislike: Jet is fairly underused in my opinion and I feel they would like each other but refuse to get together.

Soneggman - 0.5/10

What I like: I like enemies to lovers. Also this ship is fun when done ironically.

What I dislike: WHY!? JUST WHY!? Also Robotnik is Sonic’s dad in some continuities.

Metonic/Sonetal - 3.5/10

What I like: Again with the rivals to lovers. Also it’s just kind of a funny ship in my opinion. Also i don’t see self x self as problematic and Metal has been confirmed to have feelings so please don’t come after me for this.

What I dislike: They have no chemistry and I just think it’s a bit of an odd ship.

Sonighty - 7/10

What I like: I forgot Sonic has 50,000,000,000 rivals and I will ship him with almost every single one. Also they just seem like good friends.

What I dislike: Mighty is fairly underused and they just don’t interact enough in my opinion. Also I could see them also having a brotherly bond.

Sonourge - 5/10

What I like: I like the idea of either Sonic making Scourge a better person or Scourge making Sonic a worse person. Also I love a good enemies to lovers. As well as the fact that Sonic is a bit narcissistic at times I feel this is kind of funny.

What I dislike: This would almost definitely not work out due to them being from other universes. Also from what I know about the Archie comics Scourge is a rapist so that’s not great.

Sonic.exe x Sonic (IDK the ship name) - 0.5/10

What I like: It could be funny when done ironically. Also the whole thing about Sonic’s narcissism.

What I dislike: Oh god where do I begin. From what I know exe is a demon possessing to kill his friends in an infinite loop, why would Sonic want to date that!?

Sonangle - 0/10

What I like: I mean they’re friends in canon I guess.

What I dislike: I headcanon Tangle as a lesbian so yeah.

Sonelise: 4/10

What I like: Again, I usually like the canon ships. Also I don’t consider it problematic.

What I dislike: Elise isn’t a good character and they don’t have that much chemistry.

Sonespio - 5/10

What I like: They seem like they would make great friends.

What I dislike: This ship is rarer than hens teeth and they never interact in canon.

Sontoine - 3.5/10

What I like: I mean, they’re friends and fought for a long time together against Robotnik’s empire.

What I dislike: I just really like Bunnie and Antoine plus I just don’t see it.

Soninite - 2/10

What I like: I love an enemies to lovers and I like Infinite a lot.

What I dislike: I just personally don’t see it.

Shadamy - 3.5/10

What I like: Amy helps Shadow remember his promise to Maria and has always been kind to him.

What I dislike: Due to the whole Amy reminding Shadow of his promise to Maria thing, it makes me feel like they’re siblings for some reason and I can’t explain why. I think it’s because of Shadow and Maria basically being siblings. Also this also has a bit of a large age gap.

Silvamy - 6.5/10

What I like: I can see potential for both fluff and angst with this ship. With the right AU, they could honestly be adorable. Also Amy was able to convince Silver not to kill Sonic.

What I dislike: Silver tried to kill Sonic as previously stated. And like most ships with Silver, him being from the future could become a problem without an AU or something.

Metamy - 6.5/10

What I like: The Sonic Mania Adventures Christmas special, that’s all I have to say. Also I guess this could technically count as an enemies to lovers. Also the idea of Amy settling for somebody who looks almost identically to Sonic is kinda funny to me.

What I dislike: This would probably not work out due to Robotnik.

Blazamy - 9/10

What I like: The fan content is adorable. They also just seem to be good friends.

What I dislike: They barely interact in canon.

Teknamy - 9.5/10

What I like: I think I just like most of the canon ships. Also they are extremely close from what I know and went on many adventures together.

What I dislike: WHY WON’T SEGA ACKNOWLEDGE THEM!?

Knuxamy - 2/10

What I like: I like the idea of them training together or something.

What I dislike: I see them as siblings and that age gap is a bit too big.

Mephamy - 0/10

What I dislike: Pretty much any ship with Mephiles would be REALLY unhealthy if not abusive. This includes Mephamy.

Honamy - 5.5/10

What I like: Amy looks up to Honey and they seem to get a long rather well.

What I dislike: Again with a bit of a large age gap.

Sticksamy - 6/10

What I like: They are incredibly close and their dynamic is fun.

What I dislike: Sonic Boom as a whole wasn’t great and Sticks is fairly similar to Marine.

Surgeamy - 6/10

What I like: IDK why I like this ship. I think the idea of Surge “stealing Sonic’s girl” is funny. I also like the idea of Surge envying Amy’s ability to fight.

What I dislike: They have literally never interacted in canon. Plus from what I know Surge isn’t really ready for a relationship at this point.

Tikamy - 6.5

What I like: I feel they would get along really well and agree on a lot of things.

What I dislike: They literally cannot meet for several reasons.

Silvaze - 6.5/10

What I like: They have known each other for who knows how long and this is the only ship with Silver that could feasibly work out.

What I dislike: A lot of people see them as siblings and/or headcanon them both as gay. Also Blaze dies in 06.

Silvikal - 6.5/10

What I like: It’s technically possible for them to meet due to Silver time traveling. Plus they would probably agree on a lot of things.

What I dislike: They have never met.

Knuxilver - 8/10

What I like: OH GOD THE YEARNING AND SEPARATION

What I dislike: OH GOD THE YEARNING AND SEPARATION

Mephilver - 0/10

What I dislike: Mephiles literally tricks Silver into nearly killing Sonic, need I say more?

Shadouge - 2/10

What I like: We know they are close and even live together.

What I dislike: I see them as siblings personally.

Shadpio - 6.5/10

What I like: We have seen Espio calm Shadow down and I would love to see them train together.

What I dislike: They barely interact and the ship is super rare.

Knuxadow - 7.5/10

What I like: Again, I would love to see them train together. Plus them and Sonic is my OT3.

What I dislike: From what I know they fight a lot in canon.

Infinadow - 0/10

What I dislike: Shadow literally killed Infinite’s whole team. This wouldn’t be healthy in the slightest.

Shadikal - 4/10

What I like: The content is decent and I feel like they would get a long a lot.

What I dislike: Why? Just why? Why does this exist?

Shadourge - 4.5/10

What I like: The content is decent and they seem to have been on good terms at some point in the comics.

What I dislike: I don’t know their dynamic since I haven’t gotten too far into the comics yet.

Shadaze - 4/10

What I like: AI used to hate this ship but it’s honestly grown on me a lot. Also the fan content is pretty decent.

What I dislike: I don’t know their dynamic due to me not being that far into the comics plus they don’t interact much anyway.

Shadally - 0/10

What I dislike: We see them be put into an arranged marriage and it is completely loveless and I’m pretty sure Shadow ends doing some pretty crazy shit, why would you like them as a couple after seeing that?

Tikaze/Blazikal - 6/10

What I like: IDK I just think they’re neat.

What I dislike: They’ve never interacted and Tikal is pretty much dead.

Knuxaze - 4.5/10

What I like: IDK I just think they’re neat.

What I dislike: I don’t really know their dynamic and they don’t interact much.

#silvikal #knuxilver #shadpio #shadespio #espadow #sonic the hedgehog #sonic #random crap basil thought of

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