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gay-spock · 1 year
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it’s so funny that 1/3 of the main cast of voyager is named robert
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ljones41 · 5 months
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"STAR TREK VOYAGER" Retrospective: (5.12) "Bride of Chaotica!"
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"STAR TREK VOYAGER" Retrospective: (5.12) "Bride of Chaotica!"
One of the aspects of "STAR TREK VOYAGER" that I have truly enjoyed over the other TREK shows were the holo programs featured or the episodes centered in the two Holodecks. One such holo program was "The Adventures of Captain Proton" stories created by Voyager’s Chief Pilot, Tom Paris. Captain Proton was featured in at least four episodes – three in Season Five and one in Season Seven. But without a doubt, my favorite happened to be the third Proton story titled, (5.12) "Bride of Chaotica!".
In short, "Bride of Chaotica!" began when Tom Paris (Robert Duncan McNeil) and Harry Kim (Garrett Wang) are enjoying the latest chapter of his Captain Proton program in one of the Holodecks. They are forced to leave it running when spatial distortions trap the ship and disrupt their control over the computer. Voyager’s command staff attempted to discover a way to free the ship from the spatial distortions. Unfortunately, extra-dimensional aliens that exist in a photonic state cross over from their own dimension through a distortion located in the holodeck. They are detected and attacked by Proton’s archenemy, Dr. Chaotica (Martin Rayner), who believes them to be from the Fifth Dimension, and whose holographic (photonic) weaponry - though harmless to humans - is deadly to the aliens. Eventually, the crew discover the war being waged between Chaotica and the Fifth Dimension and must defeat him by playing out their roles as the fictional Captain Proton (played by Tom Paris), his sidekick Buster Kincaid (Harry Kim), and Arachnia, Queen of the Spider People. Paris convinced Captain Janeway (Kate Mulgrew) to take on the latter role.
I might as well be frank. I LOVE "Bride of Chaotica!". I adore it. It is one of my favorite TREK episodes of all time. What am I saying? It is my favoriteTREK episode of all time. Screenwriters Bryan Fuller (creator of "DEAD LIKE ME" and "PUSHING DAISIES") and Michael Taylor created a first-rate episode filled with imagination, action and humor. Having the characters of Tom Paris’ Captain Proton holoprogram get drawn into a galactic war with an actual group of actual aliens that are photonic was a stroke of genius. And Fuller and Taylor, along with director Allan Kroeker, did an excellent job combining an original story with great characterization.
The cast was excellent, as always. Robbie McNeill and Garrett Wang revived their old magic as Tom and Harry – the two crewmembers who got more out of the Captain Proton holoprogram than anyone. Come to think of it, McNeill also managed to generate strong chemistry with Tim Russ (Lieutenant-Commander Tuvok) and Kate Mulgrew. The latter was superb as Queen Arachnia, although I think she may have been a little guilty of too much mugging, while expressing Janeway’s disregard for the Proton holoprogram. However, I loved her scene with Neelix (Ethan Phillips) that showcased Janeway’s caffine addiction. With that scene, she may have truly earned the nickname - Queen of the Delta Quadrant:
JANEWAY: "Coffee, black." NEELIX: "I'm sorry, Captain. We've lost another two replicators –" JANEWAY: "Listen to me very carefully because I'm only going to say this once. Coffee – black." NEELIX: (To replicator)"Coffee, black. While I've got your attention there are –" JANEWAY: (Holds up hand)"Coffee first."(drinks/inhales)"...Now, what's the problem?"
And then there is Dr. Chaotica, portrayed with great relish by Martin Rayner. The promise he had shown as a rich and over-the-top character in the Season Five premiere, (5.01) "Night" was fulfilled in this episode. The late Nicholas Worth ably supported both Mulgrew and Rayner as Chaotica’s ruthless, obsequious henchman, Lonzak.
As much as I love "Bride of Chaotica!", there is one aspect about it that disturbed me – namely the crew’s reaction to the Captain Proton hologram. It is quite apparent that they view it as nothing more than a childish piece of fiction for those of the immature mind. And it is quite apparent that they also view Tom Paris’ participation in it as childish. And they are not the only ones. I have read some reviews of the episodes. While most tend to sneer at it, along with anything else labeled "STAR TREK VOYAGER", at least two of them did not. Julia Houston seemed to view the holo program not only as Tom Paris’ personal fantasy, but also as an example of his imagination. Like me, she seemed annoyed by the inability of others to appreciate Paris' imagination . . . and his right to his own fantasy. Now Jim Wright did seem to enjoy the holo program and appreciate its uniqueness. But it also seemed that he viewed it as a sign of Paris’ immaturity . . . and as something that the Chief Pilot would have to give up in order to develop as an adult and ideal Starfleet officer.
Quite frankly, I agree with Julia Houston. I was very annoyed by the other Voyager crewmen’s snobbish reaction to Captain Proton. Okay, perhaps they did not care for it very much. But was there really any need for them to openly sneer at what he considered recreation and fantasy? What law was there that Tom’s pursuit of recreation had to be culturally high-brow or meaningful? Janeway, of all people, had no business to sneer. This is a woman who had spent two seasons indulging in her Lambada One holo program – a "Jane Eyre"/"Rebecca" Gothic romance. I must also admit that I was a little put-off by Jim Wright's assumption that Tom needed to give up the Proton program in order to become more mature as an adult. To me, this attitude seemed like a clear lack of appreciation for Tom’s vivid imagination. Perhaps it was more important to him and other "VOYAGER” fans that Tom become the stand-up Starfleet officer that Owen Paris and Janeway wanted him to be. Happily, Tom never stuck to his declaration of giving up the Proton program. He and Harry were still using it in the early Season Six episode called (6.05) "Alice". And a late Season Seven episode called (7.23) "Homestead" revealed that Tom had created another B-movie style program called "Invaders from the Ninth Dimension".
Personally, I like the idea that Tom Paris would eventually become that successful holonovelist sometime in his future. But in the VOYAGER relaunch novels, he became a permanent Starfleet officer, achieving the rank of Lieutenant-Commander and Voyager’s new first officer. Ugh. What a waste of a vivid imagination that created the likes of the Proton holoprograms. In real life, I would compare Tom to the likes of George Lucas, Gene Roddenberry, J. Michael Stracynski and the two writers who had created this wonderfully imaginative episode – Fuller and Taylor. A girl can imagine - can't she?
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Have you ever listened to Robert Duncan McNeil and Garret Wang's "Delta Flyer" podcast? It doesn't super seem like your thing, but I'd love to hear your perspective.
here and there yeah! it’s fun i like it, it’s cool to hear the behind the scenes stuff and their banter is great especially when they have guests on. very dad best friends energy. a few of their bits have really stuck with me tho like at the end of their episode on the chute when they’re talking about what the message of the ep was and robbie says “love wins :)”. like yeah it sure did lol
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simptasia · 2 years
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i love that the reason tom paris stopped being a supposed casanova bad boy is because robbie duncan mcneil wasn’t good at it. thats not me dunking, robbie has straight up admitted that. he and the writers realised that dorky family man who knows everything was more his speed. in universe it comes across as growth
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fourforyouodo · 2 years
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could any of the delta flyers J/C shippers on here do me a big favour and show me a screenshot of Robbie Duncan McNeil in his J/C shipping shirt and cap? absolutely dying to see it
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annakie · 3 years
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Listening to The Delta Flyers and watching Robert Duncan McNeil get increasingly frustrated at the Voyager writers for continuing to ship-bait Janeway/Chakotay and say that the JC Shippers are completely right is extremely cathartic. 
I’m on the Year of Hell Part 2 episode now and he’s literally just yelling “What are you doing writers?  Why didn’t you ever get them together?  This is all for the JC Shippers!!” Both the pocketwatch scene with Janeway and the “Send Kathryn my best” scene.  Garret even calls it out that the subtext is Chakotay sending Janeway his love.
Robbie is basically a JC Shipper now and I’m here for it.
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tuttle-did-it · 9 months
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The Delta Flyer boys finished Voyager, and announced they were going to watch DS9 with Armin Shimerman and Terry Farrell. I cannot wait until Terry gets to 'Tears of the Profit' and I hope she doesn't hold back on what a disastrous mistake it was to fridge Jadzia Dax, and calls people out for how she was treated through all of this.
As much as I rant about how angry I am that they try to force Garak (played by a man in his 50s) to be straight by pairing him with a teenage girl (or not letting Jadzia and Kira and Quark and Bashir in particular to be as queer as we all know they are), the single worst mistake I think DS9 ever made was fridging Jadzia. It was a horrible thing to do to Terry Farrell, and a horrible thing to do to their own show.
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autisticburnham · 4 years
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In case you don't listen to The Delta Flyers (Garret Wang and Robbie Duncan McNeil's podcast about Voyager), Garret told a story about how the actors who play the officers who hate Tom in the first episode helped him get over his stage fright by making fun of Tom and how he orders his soup, and I'm absolutely taking that as what those officers were canonically saying to Harry
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captainjaneway97 · 6 years
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My mom was just watching Star Trek: The Next Generation and Robbie Duncan McNeil was is in it. He was a Cadet. She 6elled for me 3 rooms away to show me. How cool is my momma?
#StarTrekMomma
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altusfl · 6 years
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39.  The 1987 Season --- Team rosters
Team by team breakdown of more noted players in the 1987 season
Atlanta - QB Steve Bartkowski,QB Walter Lewis, RB Kirby Warren, FB Ken Talton, WR Marcus Anderson, WR/KR Cormac Carney, DL Curtis Anderson, and NT Bob Nelson OLB Cornelius Bennett, ILB Larry Kolic, P Jim Grupp K Efren Herrera 
Arizona- QB Alan Risher, QB Doug Woodward RB Kevin Nelson,RB Nuu Faaola, RB Scott Stamper, RB Randy Johnson RB John Barnett,FB Mack Boatner, WR Jackie Flowers, WR Neil Bahlholm, WR Lenny Willis, TE Mark Keel, G Carl Roberts G Frank Kalil, C Mike Katolin OL Jeff Kiewel RG Alvin Powell, DE Skip McLendon, DE/NT Mark Buben DE Mike Mraz DT Stan Mataele NT Dan Saleamua OLB Ed Smith, OLB Ben Apuna, OLB Scott Stephen MLB Byron Evans  DB Lance Shields DB Eddie Brown  DB Gordon Bunch,FS Allen Durden SS David Fulcher SS Don Schwartz P/K Frank Corral 
Birmingham- QB Cliff Stoudt,QB Bob Lane, QB Mike Shula, RB Brent Fullwood, RB Earl Gant, FB Tommie Agee FB Leon Perry WR Jim Smith, WR Joey Jones, WR Ron Fredrick, WR Perry Tuttle, WR Greg Richardson TE Darryl Mason TE Allama Matthews T Pat Phenix, T Robert Woods G Pat Saindon, G Buddy Aydelette, C Tom Banks G Dave Drechsler DE Jon Hand DE Dave Purifory DE Jackie Cline DE/DT Jimmy Walker DT Doug Smith, DE/DT Ronnie Paggett,  NT Donnie Humphrey OLB Herb Spencer,LB Dallas Hickman, LB Thomas Boyd CB Ricky Ray CB Dennis Woodberry CB Frank Reed DB Dave Dumars  SS Billy Cesare FS Mike Thomas FS Chuck Clanton P Danny Miller K Scott Norwood 
Boston - QB Mike Hohensee QB Steve Beuerlein RB Troy Stratford, RB Richard Crump, WR Joey Walters, WR Kelvin Martin WR Nolan Franz, TE Dan Ross, T Pat Staub G Steve Trapillo G John Schmeding G Gerry Raymond C Mike McLaughlin DE John Bosa,DE Kenny Neil DE Robert Banks DE Wally Klein NT Mike Ruth OLB Ben Needham ILB Marcus Marek CB Goldie Lockbaum CB Woorow Wilson S Joe Restic P Bucky Scribner K John Carney
Chicago-QB Vince Evans, QB Jack Trudeau RB Bo Jackson, RB Thomas Rooks, FB Keith Byars, WR David Williams,WR Steve Bryant, WR Doug Donely, WR Jaime Holland WR James Maness TE Cap Boso, TE Jerry Reese LT Mark Dennis, LT Lee Spivey,LT Duane Wilson,RT Jim Juriga,RG Arland Thompson, C Bill Winters  DE Tyrone Keys DE Don Thorp, DE Ken Gillen, NT Paul Hanna DT Tony Suber ILB Pepper Johnson ILB Jeff Leiding LB Byron Lee LB Scott Leach LB Larry Kolic OLB/DB Jim Bob Morris, OLB/DB John Barefeild OLB/DB Larry James CB Rod Hill, FS Craig Swoope DB Mike Ulmer S Sonny Gordon P Jim Miller K Max Zendejas
Denver- QB Doug Flutie, QB Bob Gagliano RB Bill Johnson, WR Leonard Harris, WR/KR Marc Lewis, WR Vincent White,WR Frank Lockett, LT Steve Rogers, C Tom Davis OL Sid Abramowitz DE Bruce Thornton, DE Calvin Turner, ILB John Nevens, LB Greg Gerken CB/PR David Martin, CB David Dumars CB Nate Miller, P Jack Weil K/P Jim Asmus (Future deals- FS Scott Thomas, MLB Terry Maki, and CB Tom Rotello)
Hawaii - QB Jack Thompson, QB Robbie Bosco,QB/RB/WR Raphel Cherry, WR Walter Murray, WR Mark Bellini , WR Glen Kozlowski, RB/PR/KR Gary Allen, RB Del Rodgers, RB Anthony Edgar RB/PR/KR Vai Sikahema,  FB Lakei Heimuli, FB Tom Tuipulotu, TE Trevor Molini, TE David Mills, RT Jim Mills LT Darryl Haley, LT Dean Miraldi T Vince Stroth, T Nick Eyre, T Wayne Faalafua G Joe Onosai G Louis Wong G Bernard Carvalho, C Ed Riewerts C Robert Anae DE Jason Buck DE Jim Herrmann DE Brandon Flint DE Brad Anae, DE Junior Filiaga,  DT Kit Lathrop DT Tom Tuinei DT Colin Scotts, DT Brad Smith, OLB Kyle Whittigham, OLB Leon White, LB Cary Whittingham, LB Filipo Mokofisi, MLB Kurt Gouveia,MLB Marv Allen CB Dana McLemore CB Jeff Griffin  CB Manny Hendrix, DB/KR Erroll Tucker, FS Blaine Gaison FS Jeff Wilcox SS Mark Kafentzis SS Kyle Morrell SS Jeff Sprowls, S Verlon Redd P/TE Clay Brown K Paul Woodside
Houston- QB Jim Kelly, QB Todd Dillon WR Richard Johnson, WR Ricky Sanders, WR/PR Gerald McNeil, WR/KR Clarence Verdin, RB Sam Harrell, RB Darryl Clark, LT Bryan Dausin RT Tommy Robinson T Ernie Rogers, T Denver Johnson RG Billy Kidd, LG Scott Boucher, C Frank Kalil, DE Pete Catan, DE Cleveland Crosby DE Hosea Taylor DE Charles Benson DT Tony Fitzpatrick DT Hosea Taylor  OLB Andy Hawkins, MLB Kiki DeAyala, OLB Mike Hawkins,  CB Will Lewis CB Mike Mitchell FS Luther Bradley FS Hollis Hall SS Calvin Eason,S Tommy Myers P Dale Walters K Toni Fritsch,
Jacksonville- QB Ed Luther, QB Robbie Mahfouz WR Alton Alexis, WR Perry Kemp, WR Wyatt Henderson RB Kevin Mack, KR/RB Tony Boddie,RB Archie Griffin, FB Larry Mason T Bob Gruber G George Collins C Jay PennisonT Roy simmons C Mike Reuther,RT Ralph Williams, LG Rich garza,DE Mike Raines, DE Keith Millard, DE Phil Dokes OLB tom dinkle LB OLB Joe Castillo, CB Van Jakes S Don Bessillieu S Chester Gee CB Mark Harper DB Bobby Hosea, P/K Brian Franco
Los Angeles- QB Rick Neuheisel, QB Mike Rae RB Christian Okoye, RB Reggie Brown   RB/KR Jarvis Redwine, WR JoJo Townsell, WR Mike Sherrad WR John Jefferson WR Duane Gunn TE Tim Wrightman TE Ricky Ellis OL Rod Walters, Vince Stroh, Bob Simmons, Doug Hoppock, Perry Harnett, &  Jerry Doerger,  C Mike Katolin & G Alvin Powell, DE Lee Williams, DT George Achica, DE Fletcher Jenkins, DE Ben Rudolph DT Eddie Weaver,DE Dennis Edwards, DE Ray Cattage, DE Rich Dimler OLB Eric Scoggins ILB Howard Carson,LB Danny Rich  LB Sam Norris CB John Hendy CB Tyrone Justin CB/S Mike Fox SS Tim McDonald P Jeff Partridge K Tony Zendejas,
Memphis- QB Warren Moon, QB Mike Kelley, WR/KR Derrick Crawford, WR Derek Holloway WR Greg Moser,  WR Sam Graddy, WR Ted Wilson, WR Gizmo Williams RB Tim Spencer, RB Harry Sydney, FB Cornelius Quarles, TE Keli McGregor RG Myke Horton G Bill Mayo DE Reggie White, DE/DT Calvin Clark LB Rod Shoate, LB Mike Brewington CB Mossy Cade CB Leonard Coleman CB mike thomas CB/s Mike Fox DB Terry Love FS Vic Minor SS Barney Bussey P Jimmy Colquitt K Alan Duncan
Miami – QB Vinny Tesreverde, QB Don Strock RB Curtis Bledsoe, RB George Works, RB/PR/KR Eric Robinson  FB Dwayne Crutchfield, WR Eddie Brown,  WR/KR Mike Harris WR Greg Taylor, WR Ricky Simmons WR Elmer Bailey TE Willie Smith TE Bob Niziolek LT Joel Patten RT Jeff Seevy RT/RG Dave Pacella RG Ed Fulton C/G Brian Musselman C Tony Loia T Ed Muransky Vaughn Harman DE Willie Broughton DE Ken Fagan DE Greg Feilds, DE Malcolm Taylor,DT Jerome Brown, DT Dan Sileo, LDT Bennie Smith DE Bob Cobb DE/NT Richard Tharpe DT Kevin Kellin DT Gurnest Brown  OLB Winston Moss LB Jon McVeigh LOLB Darnell Dailey ROLB Joe Hines MLB Mike Muller LB Ken Kelley CB Jeff Brown CB Reggie Sutton CB Trent Bryant CB Willie Holley FS Victor Jackson SS Mike Guess  P Greg Cater  K Jeff Brockhaus
Michigan – QB Richard Todd, QB Jim Harbaugh QB Whit Taylor RB John Williams, FB Albert Bentley,WR Anthony Carter, WR Chris Carter, WR Anthony Allen, TE Mike Cobb,TE Donnie Echols T Ray Pinney, T Chris Godfrey T Ken Dallafior,G Tyrone McGriff, G Thom Dornbrook, C Wayne Radloff, C/G George Lilja DE Larry Bethea DT/NT David Tipton DT Mike Hammerstein DT/DE Allen Hughes ILB Ray Bentley, OLB John Corker, OLB Kyle Borland OLB Angelo Snipes ILB Mike Mallory ILB Robert Pennywell CB Clarence Chapman,CB Brad Cochran CB Ron Osborne DB Oliver Davis S Garland Rivers S David Greenwood P Jeff Gossett K Novo Bojovich
New Jersey- QB Steve Young, QB Tom Ehrhardt RB Hershel Walker, RB Dwight Sullivan RB Calvin Murray, FB Maurice Carthon, WR Scott Schwedes, WR Clarence Collins WR Walter Broughton WR Tom McConnaughey WR Charlie Smith, TE Gordon Hudson, TE Brian Forster C Kent Hull, DE James Lockette, DE Ricky Williamson, DE Freddie Gilbert DT Tom Woodland, LB Jim LeClair, LB Mike Weddington CB Kerry Justin,CB Mike Williams CB Terry Daniels S Gregg Johnson DB Tony Thurman P Rick Partridge K Roger Ruzek
New Orleans- QB Reggie Collier, QB David Woodley,  RB Buford Jordan, RB Marcus DuPree, RB Anthony Steels, WR Trumaine Johnson, WR Jerry Gordon, WR Ron Johnson WR Mardye Mcdole TE Sam Bowers  T Broderick Thompson T Randy Theiss G Gerry Raymond, G Louis Oubre G Terry Crouch DT Jerald Bayless, DT Henry Thomas DT Jeff Gaylord, DT Larry McClain, DE Darryl Wilkerson DE Larry White NT Jerry Ball NT Oudious Lee  OLB Micheal Brooks KB ray phillips CB Lyndell Jones  S Charles Harbison S Tim Smith P Dario Casarino, K Tim Mazzetti
Oakland- QB Fred Besana, QB Tom Ramsey RB Eric Jordan, RB/KR Elmer James FB Tom Newton FB LaRue Harrington WR Gordon Banks, WR Ken Margerum, WR Lew Barnes WR Kevin Williams, TE Brian Williams, T Gary Zimmerman, T Jeff Hart,  G Tracy Franz, G Jim Leonard C Roger Levasa RDE Dave Browning, DE Greg Feilds, LDE Monte Bennett, NT Tim Moore OLB David Wyman OLB David Wyman OLB Tim Lucas OLB David Shaw ILB Gary Plummer LB Tony Caldwell LB Mark Stewart LCB Mark Collins,RCB Derrick Martin FS Frank Duncan SS Marcus Quinn,  P Stan Talley, K Sandro Vitiello
Oklahoma – QB Doug Williams, RB Ernest Anderson, RB Allen Pinkett, RB Andrew Lazarus, RB Vagus Ferguson,RB Mike Gunter FB Ted Sample, FB Derek Hughes, FB Jim Stone, WR Al Williams, WR Kris Haines, WR Lonnie Turner,TE Ron Wheeler,TE victor Hicks, LT Joe Levellis T Mike Perino, RT Jim Bob Lamb,G David Huffman, G Tom Thayer, C Mark Fischer,  DE Leslie O'Neal DE Bob Clasby, NT Tony Casillas ILB Putt Choate,OLB Dewey McClain OLB Kevin Murphy ILB Terry Beeson, LB Vic Koenning, LB Tony Furjanic CB Peter Raeford,CB Rock Richmond, CB Barry Copeland, CB Roney McMillan CB Lee Wilson DB Rod Brown FS Kelvin Middleton SS Herb Williams, P Case DeBrujin, K Luis Zendejas
Philadelphia-  QB Chuck Fusina, RB Kelvin Bryant, RB Paul Palmer RB Allen Harvin, FB David Riley  WR Scott Fitzkee, WR Willie Collier WR Tom Donovan TE Ken Dunek TE Steve Folsom RT Irv Eatman, RG Chuck Commiskey, C Bart Oates, LG George Gilbert LT Mike McClearn D Bill Dugan NT Pete Kugler, DE William Fuller, DE John Walker, DE/DT Willie Rosborough ILB Shane Conlan, ILB Glenn Howard, OLB John Bunting OLB George Cooper LB John Brooks CB Garcia Lane, CB John Sutton CB/S Roger Jackson FS Mike Lush, S Scott Woerner, SS Antonio Gibson  P Sean Landeta, K David Trout
Pittsburgh- QB Glen Carano, QB Craig Penrose, HB Mike Rozier, HB Walter Holman, RB/KR/PR Mel Grey FB Amos Lawrence WR Greg Anderson, WR Julius Dawkins, TE Joey Hackett LT Don Maggs LG Corbin C Correal RG Lukens RT Feilds OL Emil Boures LDE Sam Clancy RDE Tony Woods DE Doug Hollie DT Ken Times, DT Mike Morgan, DT Dennis Puha, LDT David Graham RDT Dombrowski DE Ike Griffin NT Laval Short LOLB Rich D'Amico ROLB Mike McKibben MLB Brian Bozworth,LB Craig Walls CB Jerry Holmes,CB Virgil Livers, S Tommy Wilcox, P Larry Swider K Tony Lee 
Tampa Bay – QB Chuck Long QB Jimmy Jordan, QB Ben Bennett RB Gary Anderson, RB Greg Allen,  FB Greg Boone,WR Larry Brodsky, WR Willie Gillespie WR Chris Castor TE Marvin Harvey, LT Dan Fike, RT Reggie Smith LG Chuck Pitcock RG Nate Newton C Chris Foote DE Mike Butler DE Don Feilder DE Walter Carter, NT Fred Nordgren, DT Mike Clark DE Jim Ramey ROLB Alonzo Johnson LOLB James Harrell, MLB Kelley Kirchbaum MLB Fred McAllister CB Jeff George,CB Warren Hanna, FS Zac Henderson SS Blaine Anderson DB Alvin Bailey DB Doug Beaudoin P/K Zenon Andrusyshyn,
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CREEM: AMERICA’S ONLY ROCK ’N’ ROLL MAGAZINE (2020)
Featuring Dave Marsh, Connie Kramer, JJ Kramer, Jaan Ulheszki, Dave DiMartino, Susan Whitall, Greil Marcus, Robert Christgau, Roberta “Robbie” Cruger, Wayne Kramer, Cameron Crowe, Jeff Ament, Chad Smith, Niagara Detroit, Ted Nugent, Peter Wolf, Jeff Daniels, Ann Powers, Michael Stipe, Lamar Sorrento, Michael N. Marks, Resa Jannett, Robert Stark, Robert Duncan, Lenny Kaye, Alice Cooper, Suzi Quatro, Mitch Ryder, Bebe Buell, Thurston Moore, Chris Stein, Kirk Hammett, Joan Jett, Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley, Don Was, Scott Kempner, Legs McNeil, John Varvatos, Billy Altman, Johnny “Bee” Badanchek, Michael Des Barres, Dan Carlisle, Patrick Carney, Chuck Eddy, Shepard Fairey, Ben Fong-Torres, Bill Holdship, John Holmstrom, Craig S. Karpel, Jack Kronk, Toby Mamis, Neal Preston, Patti Quatro, Scott Richardson, Wayne Robins, Linda Barber Roach, John Sinclair, Scott Sterling, Gregg Turner, Sandra Stretke van Landingham, Ed Ward, James Williamson and archival footage of Barry Kramer and Lester Bangs.
Written by Scott Crawford and Jaan Ulheszki.
Directed by Scott Crawford.
Distributed by Greenwich Entertainment. 75 minutes. Not Rated.
I wrote some articles for the legendary rock magazine Creem. Not in its DIY heyday, but in the 1990s when the magazine was rebooted as a glossy music version of Andy Warhol’s then-popular Interview magazine. Still, it is an honor to this day to have played even a small part in the fabulous Creem story.
In the early days, Creem was like a National Lampoon about music. And yet, Creem was also stubbornly unique, a triumph of attitude and inexperience which became a defining totem of the rock and roll lifestyle. It was never as popular as Rolling Stone. In fact, it struggled to stay afloat for years before finally succumbing to economic and personality pressures and the loss (through quitting, or death, or both) of three of its figureheads. Then again, Creem never wanted to be another Rolling Stone. In fact, it was a rebellion against Rolling Stone.
Creem was an escape for the outsiders and unaffected. It helped expose punk, glam, metal and new wave to the world, and yet it was hip enough to only partially ironically put “John Denver is God, Bruce Springsteen is not God” on a cover. Creem was willfully anti-establishment, except for when it was more fun to wallow in pop culture. The interviews were often combative. The record reviews often barely even mentioned the music on the album they were supposedly discussing.
Creem was a triumph of attitude and style. It was an immature little boy’s club (as the female writers and editors readily acknowledge here) that became the epitome of cool for a generation of outcasts and losers. It had music. It had cars. It had alcohol. It had tits. It had life, passion and an offbeat point of view which appealed to an audience that had felt misunderstood.
Creem was so uncool that it somehow became effortlessly hip.
The crazy backstory of Creem is celebrated – mostly successfully – in the new documentary Creem: America’s Only Rock ‘N’ Roll Magazine.
This fascinating documentary takes a look at the wild west days of the magazine, when it was an amateur startup in the Detroit area which was run by such outsized personalities as owner/publisher Barry Kramer, editor Dave Marsh and legendary rock journalist and professional provocateur Lester Bangs.
The magazine was a unabashed celebration of sex, drugs and rock and roll, and the film about the world of Creem obviously has the same passions. Put together by Kramer’s widow and co-worker Connie and son JJ – who was just a child when his father died and has just recently gotten control of the magazine’s archives – this is a warts and all look at a business model which just could not work in the current world.
Creem was blissfully anti-PC – some of the writers and editors acknowledge some of the things they said could be mean, or at least insensitive – but it was also a lot of fun to read. Also, to work at, though this film doesn’t overlook the combustible personalities in charge. Kramer and Bangs had more than their share of demons, and Marsh could also go off at a moment’s notice. Still, that very unpredictability makes this much more intriguing than most workplace documentaries.
There is an entire extended section in which a bunch of people lay into Rolling Stone, calling it a staid establishment magazine while Creem was hipper and edgier. This may even actually be true. In fact, it undoubtedly was. But still, seeing about five to ten minutes of Creem people taking pot shots at their more popular, older, more mainstream competition comes off as a little petty and juvenile.
Then again, as this documentary shows, Creem was never above getting a little petty and juvenile when it suited them.  
Interestingly, the film doesn’t even mention the 1990s reboot of the magazine for which I wrote. (The film closes the door with Creem originally going under in 1989.) It barely even acknowledges the mid-late 1980s new wave continuation of the mag under different management; dismissing it with a brief statement in which former co-founder Connie Kramer philosophically says that it was fine for what it was. It is probably for the best, on both counts. The legend of Creem is in the Barry Kramer, Dave Marsh and Lester Bangs years. Everything else was fine, but just not the same.
Jay S. Jacobs
Copyright ©2020 PopEntertainment.com. All rights reserved. Posted: August 7, 2020.
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CREEM: AMERICA’S ONLY ROCK ’N’ ROLL MAGAZINE (2020)
Featuring Dave Marsh, Connie Kramer, JJ Kramer, Jaan Ulheszki, Dave DiMartino, Susan Whitall, Greil Marcus, Robert Christgau, Roberta “Robbie” Cruger, Wayne Kramer, Cameron Crowe, Jeff Ament, Chad Smith, Niagara Detroit, Ted Nugent, Peter Wolf, Jeff Daniels, Ann Powers, Michael Stipe, Lamar Sorrento, Michael N. Marks, Resa Jannett, Robert Stark, Robert Duncan, Lenny Kaye, Alice Cooper, Suzi Quatro, Mitch Ryder, Bebe Buell, Thurston Moore, Chris Stein, Kirk Hammett, Joan Jett, Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley, Don Was, Scott Kempner, Legs McNeil, John Varvatos, Billy Altman, Johnny “Bee” Badanchek, Michael Des Barres, Dan Carlisle, Patrick Carney, Chuck Eddy, Shepard Fairey, Ben Fong-Torres, Bill Holdship, John Holmstrom, Craig S. Karpel, Jack Kronk, Toby Mamis, Neal Preston, Patti Quatro, Scott Richardson, Wayne Robins, Linda Barber Roach, John Sinclair, Scott Sterling, Gregg Turner, Sandra Stretke van Landingham, Ed Ward, James Williamson and archival footage of Barry Kramer and Lester Bangs.
Written by Scott Crawford and Jaan Ulheszki.
Directed by Scott Crawford.
Distributed by Greenwich Entertainment. 75 minutes. Not Rated.
I wrote some articles for the legendary rock magazine Creem. Not in its DIY heyday, but in the 1990s when the magazine was rebooted as a glossy music version of Andy Warhol’s then-popular Interview magazine. Still, it is an honor to this day to have played even a small part in the fabulous Creem story.
In the early days, Creem was like a National Lampoon about music. And yet, Creem was also stubbornly unique, a triumph of attitude and inexperience which became a defining totem of the rock and roll lifestyle. It was never as popular as Rolling Stone. In fact, it struggled to stay afloat for years before finally succumbing to economic and personality pressures and the loss (through quitting, or death, or both) of three of its figureheads. Then again, Creem never wanted to be another Rolling Stone. In fact, it was a rebellion against Rolling Stone.
Creem was an escape for the outsiders and unaffected. It helped expose punk, glam, metal and new wave to the world, and yet it was hip enough to only partially ironically put “John Denver is God, Bruce Springsteen is not God” on a cover. Creem was willfully anti-establishment, except for when it was more fun to wallow in pop culture. The interviews were often combative. The record reviews often barely even mentioned the music on the album they were supposedly discussing.
Creem was a triumph of attitude and style. It was an immature little boy’s club (as the female writers and editors readily acknowledge here) that became the epitome of cool for a generation of outcasts and losers. It had music. It had cars. It had alcohol. It had tits. It had life, passion and an offbeat point of view which appealed to an audience that had felt misunderstood.
Creem was so uncool that it somehow became effortlessly hip.
The crazy backstory of Creem is celebrated – mostly successfully – in the new documentary Creem: America’s Only Rock ‘N’ Roll Magazine.
This fascinating documentary takes a look at the wild west days of the magazine, when it was an amateur startup in the Detroit area which was run by such outsized personalities as owner/publisher Barry Kramer, editor Dave Marsh and legendary rock journalist and professional provocateur Lester Bangs.
The magazine was an unabashed celebration of sex, drugs and rock and roll, and the film about the world of Creem obviously has the same passions. Put together by Kramer’s widow and co-worker Connie and son JJ – who was just a child when his father died and has just recently gotten control of the magazine’s archives – this is a warts and all look at a business model which just could not work in the current world.
Creem was blissfully anti-PC – some of the writers and editors acknowledge some of the things they said could be mean, or at least insensitive – but it was also a lot of fun to read. Also, to work at, though this film doesn’t overlook the combustible personalities in charge. Kramer and Bangs had more of their share of demons, and Marsh could also go off at a moment’s notice. Still, that very unpredictability makes this much more intriguing than most workplace documentaries.
There is an entire extended section in which a bunch of people lay into Rolling Stone, calling it a staid establishment magazine while Creem was hipper and edgier. This may even actually be true. In fact, it undoubtedly was. But still, seeing about five to ten minutes of Creem people taking pot shots at their more popular, older, more mainstream competition comes off as a little petty and juvenile.
Then again, as this documentary shows, Creem was never above getting a little petty and juvenile when it suited them.  
Interestingly, the film doesn’t even mention the 1990s reboot of the magazine for which I wrote. (The film closes the door with Creem originally going under in 1989.) It barely even acknowledges the mid-late 1980s new wave continuation of the mag under different management; dismissing it with a brief statement in which former co-founder Connie Kramer philosophically says that it was fine for what it was. It is probably for the best, on both counts. The legend of Creem is in the Barry Kramer, Dave Marsh and Lester Bangs years. Everything else was fine, but just not the same.
Jay S. Jacobs
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#the first episode of the delta flyers where garret and robbie talk about how they all got in trouble for not doing shaking correctly was hi
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Listening to The Delta Flyers and watching Robert Duncan McNeil get increasingly frustrated at the Voyager writers for continuing to ship-bait Janeway/Chakotay and say that the JC Shippers are completely right is extremely cathartic. 
I’m on the Year of Hell Part 2 episode now and he’s literally just yelling “What are you doing writers?  Why didn’t you ever get them together?  This is all for the JC Shippers!!” Both the pocketwatch scene with Janeway and the “Send Kathryn my best” scene.  Garret even calls it out that the subtext is Chakotay sending Janeway his love.
Robbie is basically a JC Shipper now and I’m here for it.
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Mass Effect Legendary Edition Trailer -- Every bit of the 1:26 rapid-fire shots slowed down so you can almost actually tell what’s all in there.
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Int. Star Trek Writer’s Room
writer 1: so that’s why we feel it’s important for us to make it clear that Garak and Bashir are in a sexual relationship.
[five writers nod in agreement]
Braga: We will never, ever have an overt gay relationship on Star Trek- over my dead body, do you understand? it’s utterly impossible. Berman and I are hard on this No one would believe it, no one would accept it, I don’t accept it. Berman sure as hell doesn't accept it. In fact, Garak is too gay. Give him a teenage girlfriend. [writers mutter in disagreement]
writer 2: can we at least talk about Dax and gender representation?
writer 3: that’s right. I had some thoughts on Dax’s pronouns-
Braga: -enough! Never! Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go write my episode of Voyager where Tom Paris and Janeway turn into lizards and have lizard babies.
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