do u guys think that hylas, patroclus, hephaestion and hyacinthus are friends in elysium...

i bet they have a group chat on twitter called "support group for emos who dated murder blondes" where they gossip every day ...

before i leave for school today i want to say something: i think a point that a lot of myth nerd people miss is that at the end of the day it doesn't matter what you want to label achilles and patroclus' relationship as because it will always be fundamentally queer. these are two men who love each other so intensely one is willing to risk his own life to protect the other one's glory and reputation and the other one is willing to sacrifice his godlyhood and immortality to avenge the other's death. their love for each other breaks almost everything that the people expected from heroes and demigods as we see in plato's symposium -- achilles killing hector and not caring that it meant he had basically been reduced to any other mortal person is the most shocking part of it all, even for the people back then, since he's been fighting to maintain his glory and honor for so long, for the entire iliad in fact, but is willing to throw it all into the air the exact moment his beloved patroclus is killed. it doesn't matter if what they felt for each other was platonic, familial, queerplatonic or romantic, the story in itself is queer in its very roots and has always resonated with the lgbtq community and to try and make it seem like we are foolish for thinking of them as lovers is to disregard the importance that their story has to all of us.

completely valid to be like "i think madeline miller didnt write patroclus' death/the events leading to it very well i think she undermined it too much" like yeah thats valid criticism i dont like how she narrated it either and i also agree that "she made patroclus a little bit too reliant/dependent on achilles" but like. it starts to get extremely weird when yall phrase this criticism as "i hate the fact that this writer made this male character feminine" as if 1) femininity is apparently a bad thing and 2) femininity makes the character weaker ?? also very weird how some people also associate him being a doctor with him being feminine as if certain careers have specific genders ??

also very weird how a lot of these people tend to be okay with achilles being drawn in this very feminine manner considering hes often portrayed as white while not being okay with pat being drawn feminine on the other hand as hes often portrayed as a poc nowadays. apparently femininity in men is only ok if the dude is pale, right, ok. borderline racist but alright

and like i get it if its like "i dont like that he was made more feminine bc its as if miller is trying to make them heteronormative" like thats valid as hell and can lead to a very interesting discussion (even though i dont think she hyper-masculinized achilles at all) but the way some of yall PHRASE THIS???? mind your words holy fuck

anyways you can be both feminine and a badass warrior. if achilles can be both at once so can his bf. "but pat being overly kind doesnt make sense when he tries to climb the wall of troy to kill them all" what if i told you that kind people can still feel anger and hatred... especially when they were forced to be in a war zone for a whole decade watching people die endlessly and pointlessly... and that it makes a lot of sense actually if you interpret it as patroclus just wanting to end the war himself because hes Fucking Sick Of It.

let bro be the nicest person at home and kill people when his bf sends him to do it. hes probably the most likeable character in the fucking epic, and his combat before he dies is impressive as hell. how about we let him have both trophies instead of acting like he can only be 1 of these two things or acting like people who are feminine cant be powerful or badass because uhhh borderline mysoginy or something. doesnt that sound nicer?

thanks for coming to todays episode of i hate cisgender people

ok but you guys realize that achilles' prophecy did fullfil itself right. like. the whole thing is "youll die but people will know you for millenia" and you know what. we do. we have. his name was never forgotten. people talk about him and his story constantly. people study it constantly. people tell and retell it constantly. he got what he wanted in the end, you know? he just didn't know how painful it would be for him to get there

i have a headcanon that achilles is quick to ship thanzag like as soon as he notices theyre speaking more often again because they remind him of him and patroclus. i think he sees a bit of himself in zagreus and a bit of patroclus in thanatos :]

listen i dont CARE the SLIGHTEST BIT if achilles is the taller or stronger one or whatever. he's still the little spoon

achilles' myth is actually pretty fucking rad if you interpret his godlyness as a metaphor for masculinity ig

"patroclus would have a dog" "patroclus would have a cat" personally i think he would have little chicks

Okay sorry mild fandom crossover here but ive been watching hannibal and hyperfixating on it and i've been gradually losing my mind so have these screenshots from my best friend's DMs

be mindful of spoilers if you wanna add more parallels so i can lose my mind further. im waiting for my friend so we can watch s2 and s3 so im not finished yet

in my mind i like to think that modern au patroclus would be a goth but like, primarily in musical taste. he's in the bus reading a book looking peaceful and friendly and adorable and then his headphones are playing bauhaus and sisters of mercy

(achilles would be a fan too but specifically he'd be a metalhead)

I might embark on a journey. Reading (almost) every single tsoa fanfic on ao3 from the oldest to newest (its 64 pages of fics)

The most fun part of being in this side of tumblr is that i can tell immediately when an artist has played hades and when they havent

"patroclus is this extremely buff warrior" this, "patroclus is a soft malewife" that, how about this:

he is both at the same time

oh, you're telling me you kin achilles? how's the mommy issues going? do you still hold massive expectations for your performance and keep disappointing yourself when you don't make it? are you still keeping that old habit of giving up easily? how's the RSD? do you feel like doing a billion things at the same time? do you daydream about being a celebrity? are you terrified of being forgotten, of being just 'another nobody'? do you feel restless, hyperactive all the time? how are the anger issues going? do you worry about what people think of you? do you always aim for making big projects way above your skill level? are you scared of aging? did your parents neglect you emotionally? do you struggle to feel human? how's the toxic masculinity and the internalized homophobia going? do you feel like every time you try to take control to keep things at peace you just fuck everything up and make it worse? does life feel like a whirlwind? do you feel like you didn't choose the path you are in right now--

i like how they completely broke my expectations for achilles in hades. i feel like a lot of the time ppl portray him as, yk, his living self. angry, egocentric, kinda stupid even. in hades hes just a dad.

Idc if some of the vases depict him with short hair, rapunzel hair achilles is just superior