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“I do not hate his beliefs, even if he is astoundingly narrow minded for one so educated. I do not hate his culture: he has a great love for literature and architecture, even if it is a bit gaudy. I do not hate him, though he delights in treating me as an inferior. I hate his morals. I hate that he values books over people. I hate that he abandons a fight when the battle is not finished. I hate that, what others call cowardice, he calls fatherly love.”
- Leman Russ on Magnus, “On The Primarchs,” Volume VI.
“You delight in allowing others to think you are a fool. The only thing foolish about you, Leman, is that you feel none of us can pierce that veil.”
- Perturarbo to Leman Russ, “On The Primarchs,” Volume IV
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“I never wanted to be a butcher, a killer, a hunter. When I was a child I wept the first time the man who adopted me had me clean my first kill. A warrior should never want the job. They should, instead, want to keep others from shouldering the burden.
This is not hubris or homily. It is truth. I am a warrior who hates war. And so should each and every one of us.”
“I love Konrad Curze. I despise the Night Haunter. I dearly wish our father had the time to do more to help the former and put the other away. Rogal means well, but he does not understand; Fulgrim means well but is blinded by his affection for him.”
“War is the great laboratory of human experience. If only the experiment could end and the hypothesis proven…”
“For things so gigantic, stinking, and brutalist, I admit I have a fondness for tanks. They remind me of my family… oh, relax, Perturarbo. I never said you were the stinking one.”
“In my Eleventh brother, I found a kindred, witty, wise companion. I was never ashamed to call him brother. I will never be ashamed. But that we dare not speak his name again…Father, this is your will. I will obey. He was your son. I am your son. My heart is ripped asunder at your loss. But forgive my selfishness, for so too my own.”
Selections from Vulkan, “On The Primarchs,” Volume XVIII
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“If you want to conquer a civilization, send Perturarbo. If you want to kill it, send Fulgrim. If you want to protect it, send Vulkan. If you wish to erase it from memory, send [REDACTED]. But if you wish to accomplish any of these things without firing a shot, then send Konrad, and give him five minutes to whisper in the right person’s ear while she dreams…”
- The Second Primarch, “On the Primarchs,” Volume II (Banned)
“If I could save humanity without firing a shot, I would. If I could save it by signing a treaty, I would do so. Much as it grieves me, the simple reality of our task is one of a magnitude requiring nothing less than the killing of a star…”
- Sanguinius to unnamed remembrancer, “On The Primarchs,” Volume IX
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“No… no! You will - not - tar me with that brush. I am no fanatic. My belief in a benevolent higher entity does not grant you the right to consider me an idiot. I have never tried to convert -you- to my religion, my faith, whatever it is you want to call it. Has nobody told you, Perturarbo, or is everyone so fearful of your temper tantrums, that a man who does not question his beliefs is the real fanatic? How many times have you lectured me, Russ, [redacted], Vulkan, the others? How many times have you attempted with games of logic and philosophy to change our minds? You have your own religion, and you refuse to dignify it by calling it what it is. Even Lorgar knows when to stop proselytizing!”
- Jaghatai Khan, “On the Primarchs,” Volume V
“I like Father very much. We have our disagreements. But this is the way of fathers and sons. Malcador? Malcador’s only positive attribute is that father trusts him, for reasons I could only fathom. I, myself, would rather listen to Fulgrim narrate his autobiography in the nude while Horus sings Binary Opera than spend another moment in the solitary company of that man-thing.”
- Jaghatai Khan, “On the Primarchs,” Volume V
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“A million times over we have died, fought, struggled, the same as you. We build. We destroy. We build again. We are battle brothers like any other. Do not mistake piety for pacifism.”
- to equerries of Legio X
“[Redacted] is right, you know. This is a monstrous lie. It will cause us nothing but trouble in the end.”
- to Vulkan
“We are equally narrow minded, then, for you would not accept evidence of a differing viewpoint if it slapped you across the face.
- to Perturarbo
“My efforts in diplomacy have failed, then? Then I shall allow the Ashen Circle to speak for me. Burn it all. Each man’s god shall know his own.”
- Compliance of Acheron II
“They don’t understand. Why? Why is this such a difficult concept for them?! He denies his divinity, yet demonstrates godlike powers. He denies connection to any religious tradition, yet places himself adjacent to so many: he is adjacent to Zoroaster. He is a friend of the Buddha. He is John the Baptist. As Alexander, he literally declares himself a god!
And yet he now denies it. He punishes me, he humiliates me, he sends my brother to chastise me. For what? For loyalty? For fidelity? For the adoration of a son for his father?
Very well. If a god denies its divinity, refuses its loyal children, then it remains a god. It is simply a god unworthy of worship.”
- to advisors after Monarchia [Passage Censored]
- Selections from Lorgar Aurelian, “On The Primarchs,” Volume XVII
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“I am perhaps overly fond of a quotation from Milton. ‘Where one burns books, one soon burns men.’ Are you familiar with the lesson?”
- to Lorgar
“I don’t care for politics. They are cruelty justified with rules concocted to conceal a lack of concern for human decency. To deny a being her basic rights based upon her color or gender is base and beyond our better nature, yet we can codify a law to do just that and then dismiss such things as ‘political’ rather than confront them for what they are.”
- to advisors during a conference on Terra
“I do not.”
- upon being asked what he felt about the Aeldari caste system.
“I, too, have been accused of being an egotist. I do not pretend that this is always beyond me, though never through intention. Still, I think, it is perhaps better to be known for a bit of pomposity than a measure of false modesty.”
- to Perturarbo
“We do not hate each other. At our core, we are still brothers; jealousy might be the better turn of phrase, both being as close as we are to our father. The difference is one of philosophy. What I called a tactical retreat, he called cowardice. What he calls war, I call excess. My Legion is a scalpel, his a cleaver. They are not used with any less skill when properly applied, but the training regimen is entirely different before they can be mastered.”
- on Leman Russ
“My tongue is bitter with the ashes of memory. Now leave me to my mourning, for I have no poetry left inside to share.”
- upon the news of Rangdan
Selections from Magnus the Red, “On The Primarchs,” Volume XV
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“There is no glory or joy in war. It is constantly dirty, or sandy, or muddy no matter where one is fighting, and the filth gets into everything as well as on every thing. It is either brutally hot or brutally cold, sometimes both. It is periods of bitter loneliness and grinding boredom spaced between burying ones brothers and sisters. It is a species at its’ absolute worse, whose ‘high moments’ are appreciated only well after the fact.”
- to a Remembrancer
“It says something about the peril in which the human race had found itself that our Father created, forgive my arrogant turn of phrase, twenty demi-gods, and used them not to rebuild the earth or solve its woes but to go to the war almost immediately for over two hundred years. Portions of the earth are still irradiated wasteland, but here we are, millions of miles from home because the alternative was to face annihilation.”
- to Vulkan
“I love knowledge as Magnus does. I could spend all my days in a library, if I had the luxury. I think that the distinction here is Magnus’ willingness to save the library before he saves the librarians…”
- An angry aside to Sanguinius after an unrecorded incident with Legio XV
“You are fundamentally wrong. As you yourself once told me, insisting that something is true, no matter how regularly, no matter the conviction, does nothing to make it true. And in this case, you are doing just that. Your grappa has got -nothing- on the whiskey of my homeworld, you tedious pedantic!”
- Correspondence with Perturarbo
The Eleventh Primarch, from “On The Primarchs,” Volume XI (Banned)
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“In this regard, I agree with you. I could certainly conquer a world, perhaps a small empire, with less than 100,000 Astartes, but I could not do it a dozen times. The Imperial Army is essential to our goals, and no amount of spouting off will fix the problem. Our brother is an idiot.”
- Perturarbo to the Eleventh Primarch, speaking of an unspecified sibling, “On the Primarchs,” Appendices [Censored]
“Macragge is a lovely place, if one removes the majority of people, especially the aristocrats, and keeps the architecture, the museums, the landscapes… I suppose Roboute could stay.”
- Perturarbo, “On The Primarchs,” Volume IV
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“Change Perturarbo’s mind? One would have as much luck knocking down the walls of a fortress by pelting it with eggs… No, I correct myself: rotten eggs, because I suppose, when using ordinary eggs, with enough time, pressure, and volume…”
- Vulkan, “On The Primarchs,” Volume XVIII
“Leman isn’t wrong, you know. A love of learning and a love of books do nothing to compensate for an appalling moral compass. Milton said, ‘where one burns books, one burns men,’ and this is true enough. However, I defy any being to prove the inverse is always true. Where one will save books, one will not necessarily have the desire to save men.”
- Alpharius, “On The Primarchs,” Volume XX
“The Imperial Senate proves the adage that class is no indication of culture. I never saw so many loud robes, ugly shoes, fat fingers stuffed in gaudy rings. Not a good book read among them. I understand, as Father says, that administration of an empire requires the evils of generational bureaucracy. That does not change my view that the administrators themselves reek of tactlessness and overwhelming privilege.”
- The Eleventh Primarch to Malcador, “On the Primarchs,” Volume XI (Banned)
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“A lion, red in tooth, claw, and ego.”
- On Lion’El Johnson
“She is the best of us, and the worst of us. There are days when I think she is the spitting image of our father, and days when I think her life out there, in the far end of the farthest reach of human existence, marked her with a dark pall.”
- on the Second Primarch
“One of the cruelest twists of this long and bitter war… (that) the man who would be Mozart or Gaugin, or Zeuxis, perhaps all and more, has been forced to endure some of the worst and most savage aspects of it all. We have taken a man of marble and drenched him in blood. Those stains are not likely to be forgotten..”
- on Fulgrim
“In our correspondence, I am comforted that your wroth is good natured. I would not want to make an enemy of you; I hate waiting in line.”
- to Peturarbo
“I like your Chogoris very much. The horses… do you know, Jaghatai, that there are no horses on Caesar’s Folly? Cattle as far as the eye can see, but not a single horse. As a boy I used to wonder what it would be like to ride a horse. You seem to have been born in a saddle; whereas until comparatively recently, I could not even use one properly.”
- to Jaghatai Khan
“There are no wolves on Fenris. Are there no barbers? I have never seen such appalling facial hair. It seems only half of the Legion were issued razors.”
“Hah! No wolves, but dogs.. we at least have you!”
- Exchange with Leman Russ
- Aenon Cu-Sidhe, “On The Primarchs,” Volume XI (Banned)
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“(Perturarbo) hates me because I refuse to hate him. He saw a rivalry where one did not exist, and created one. There is no rivalry except in his own mind. That would presuppose that I did not rate his work highly. That would presuppose that I felt threatened by his role. That would presuppose that I was unsympathetic to the brutal reality of his vision being sacrificed to the needs of the many. And it would presuppose that I was as petty and arrogant as he does not believe himself to be.”
“When first we met, I had the opportunity to take a moment with The Second. To closely discuss with [Redacted] the nature of duty and the inescapability that duty forces us to sublimate portions of our own free will. I knew that we would forever be friends. Here was a person I could call family. I would rely on few others to behave as [Redacted] does. I could count them on one hand, even if that hand had less than five fingers…”
- Selections from Rogal Dorn, “On the Primarchs,” Volume VII
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“Let them ask ‘who is he’ all they like, so long as they know I have done my duty.”
“I watched them as he found them all: good, bad, perfect, abhorrent. And I was struck by the reality that all of us, for better or worse, reflect at least one aspect of his extraordinarily complex personality. My father did not raise me, but then again, my father did raise me, if you catch my meaning.”
“(The Emperor) is like many other men. He is of course extraordinarily long lived, and few human beings these days can call themselves Hittites, but the man is essentially human. In all regards, I think, but one. That is this: that he has lived so long, seen so many glories brought down by so many things, that he would sacrifice everything: his loved ones, his anonymity, his immortality itself, if it meant that he could save the teeming, nameless masses. I have never met a person so utterly dedicated to the idea that all should be given an equal degree of peace and prosperity that they’d willingly sacrifice their own, or indeed: deny the same of the one, or two, or twenty if it meant the rest could be saved. What you call callousness, I call love abundant.”
“This wasn’t supposed to happen overnight. It may be many thousands of years before we reach our true, desperately waited, golden age. But the path has been prepared. It is long, winding, treacherous, deceptively cruel, but it has been prepared.”
“Congratulations to my fourteenth brother, who has proven himself the singularly most intolerant being I have ever met. And remember, there was a time I regularly took tea with Perturarbo.”
“There is a phenomenon in nature whereby an animal makes itself the most beautiful, most striking, to attract a mate. But that, too, can be said of predators luring their prey. Watch the Phoenix. Do not ignore the perfumed cloak. There is a wicked thing beneath.”
“I have never felt so powerless as when I saw treachery and vanity destroy [Redacted] from within. I can never forgive that. I will never allow it to be forgiven. That name will haunt my every waking moment.”
- selections from Alpharius Omegon, “On The Primarchs,” Volume XX (Missing, all copies presumed lost.)
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“If a man with wings is, by definition, an angel, then I fear I make an appallingly bad one.”
- to a Remembrancer (unnamed)
“Ahh, yes, Leman. Your Casters of Runes are gifted. I have seen them use those gifts many times. I would even give them credit for saving the lives of my own sons. Good men, those lads. But what, precisely, is it that really makes a distinction between your Priests and my Librarians? Between Jaghatai’s Storm Callers or Perturarbo’s Librarians? You claim that they draw their power not from the Warp, but from something else. I am willing to accept this. I am unwilling to accept, however, that they are any less prone toward making dangerous mistakes and unwise decisions than any psyker among the other Legions. Leave Magnus out of this for a moment. Convince me. Tell me -why- my Librarians are more dangerous than your own.”
- To Leman Russ, pre-Nikaea
“Tell them this, then:
‘Do not mistake what you perceive as beautiful with beatific. For, if you do not cease resistance, I will destroy your cities, burn your fields, and slaughter your men. Your women and children will be scattered, the homeworld you love so much a distant memory, forbidden to their children and their children’s children.’”
- To Ascalon, Talus Compliance, M31
Sanguinius, from “On The Primarchs,” Volume IX
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If you could have corrupted won over any of the Loyalist Primarchs, which would you have favored?
What makes you think I haven’t?
For the purposes of your thought experiment, let us assess each, albeit briefly.
1. The Lion:
Arrogant, truly convinced he knows best, and many times he does. Maybe… maybe.
5. The Khan:
Brilliant tactician. Appreciates a fine horse. A good sense of humor. But not a subtle bone in his body, save for snark. Pass.
6. The Russ:
You want me to -turn- The Russ? There are bitter old women in Potato famine era Ireland who would easier be turned to love Queen Victoria. Still, what a fear it would be to make this one a tool of real change. Imagine what it would be to have such a being in your corner. The wonders.
There is one other bit: I am deeply unsatisfied that a being so brilliant could be so easily manipulated by Horus, a man he deeply disliked. He lost a few brownie points there. And remember: Horus was following -my- script at the time.
7. Rogal Dorn:
Just about the only Primarch more Roman than Roboute Guilliman. Coldly calculating, insightful,dutiful to a fault. When misled, however, appallingly short sighted. You were to destroy Perturarbo’s perfect trap, Rogal. Not walk into it!
9. The Angel:
There’s a joke somewhere in here about walking up to the pearly gates and asking to talk to St. Michael for a bit about possibly “roughing up” The Creator.
The joke is that you would think I would be so blatantly stupid.
Signus wasn’t a failure for everyone.
(Except for the fool who spelt it “Signus” and not “Cygnus.”)
10. The Gorgon:
I am a throughly evil being, but even I know that dismissing the people you are meant to be protecting as “weak” is akin to admitting you can’t do your job. Hard pass.
11. Delicious.
13. Guilliman:
Absent my cosmological imperatives, I like this man. I rather like him. But would he be turned? Could be be turned? More than one Praetorian has been turned against more than one Augustus, and the best ones have never been caught…
18. Vulkan:
I have said it before, in many places. I will say it again, here. He is the best of you. Of all of you. Of forty thousand years of human evolution and forty thousand years of human civilization. None of you deserve him. None.
And I would have better luck turning Elon Musk into a competent leader.
19. Corax:
Oh… this one. This one. He is a born revolutionary. A born iconoclast. The kind of man who would tear down the walls of his own fortress just to kill a rat inside.
And I even like the colors.
He is a true marvel to witness in The Warp, these days.
Thank you for your question, little mortal. It was nice to receive another that didn’t involve waifus, whatever the hell a “gootch” is, or whether or not I am canon. Keep them coming.
-M.
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Favorite 1980s-1990s Animated Programs of the Primarchs….
The Lion: Voltron
The Second: REDACTED (Gummy Bears)
Fulgrim: Jem
Perturarbo: Bob the Builder
The Khan: The Transformers Movie (1985)
The Russ: He-Man
Dorn: also Bob the Builder
Curze: Count Duckula
Sanguinius: Silver Hawks
Ferrus Manus: Inspector Gadget
The Eleventh: REDACTED (Gi-Joe)
Angron: Transformers Beast Wars
Guilliman: Paddington Bear
Mortarion: Beetlejuice
Magnus: Dungeons and Dragons
Horus: Whatever you like, he likes it more.
Lorgar: Superbook or Davie and Goliath, of course.
Vulkan: The Smurfs (“Curse that evil Gargamel!”)
Corax: The Brak Show
Alpharius: Stolen VHS tapes
Omegon: Reruns of Marionette based programs (Thunderbirds, Supercar, etc.)
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Quotations on the Eleventh Primarch, from his Siblings.
Johnson: “Although our methods differ, (he) is a man of honor, and that counts for a great deal, given the things his lot are expected to do…”
Second: “My ‘big brother’ is among my dearest friends. He taught me much, and respects my beliefs, which is more than I can say for some of the others. He well appreciates a good book; it is unfortunate he does not care for wine!”
Fulgrim: “His style of leadership is… distinctive. The man is a warrior poet, and I say this both sincerely and because, of course, he hates that sort of epithet.”
Perturarbo: “We do not always agree. Betimes we clash. I would however share a foxhole with him….
Khan: “Go and tell my brother that I have learned a fine new joke. And that I expect he will bring the same, along with time for a few games of Shatar.”
The Russ: “I like this little man. I like him very much. I must tell my father that we have located the brother he sent us to fetch…and that he has appalling taste in meads.”
Dorn: “(He) insists that I must develop my sense of humor. I shall do so only on the condition -he- develops his appalling sense of timing.”
Kurze: “I have decided that I like him, the poor bastard.”
Sanguinius: “Now at last we have a sibling who well appreciates the utility of subtlety masking viciousness… Too bad about the hair, though. Makes him look too much like Fulgrim.”
Manus: “He means well, but in the understanding of the vicissitudes of the human race he is appallingly naive.”
Angron: “You, my brother, are an egotist. Keen with a spatha, that said. You are worthy of being called a Hound, albeit a stubborn one, a true cur.”
Guilliman: “How long have I waited to meet another who appreciates Julian and Marcus Aurelius as much as I! Appallingly disdainful of wine, and this must be counted against him. He prefers a sort of sweet, strong alcohol that would strip the paint from a Mastadon.”
Mortarion: “Blind indeed.”
Magnus: “A superb collection of the occult. I believe I would have liked to have spent more time in his company. His loss is.. it is a hard one.”
Horus: “The snark heard round the Galaxy…”
Lorgar: “Too cynical, too skeptical, but tolerable. He at least retains his faith: even if it -is- the wrong one.”
Vulkan: “He would have stood among us here if not for the shortsighted ignorance of [REDACTED]. A more needless sacrifice there has never been. In him I have lost a brother and a dear, dear friend.”
Corax: “I never knew my brother. Though from what little I know of him, I believe we would have got on well.”
Alpharius(?): “He knew us on Terra. He knew then. Remember that the Eleventh is too shrewd for his own good, and make plans accordingly.”
Omegon(?): “I do not speak of him, by father’s command. This does not mean I do not think of him.”
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