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gaywarcriminals · 2 days

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Shen Jiu is an Abusive Mother

Yeah this is my Mother's Day post <3 This is just for funsies, and I by no mean think its the best lens through which to see SJ and LBH's relationship— its just a comparison I find interesting, and I was feeling festive 🥰.

To start, none of this is to say that SJ is a feminine character. I don't believe that, and I think that he's often misinterpreted as more feminine by western fans due to differences in gender norms/gender roles (which is a Whole Other Coversation). Maternal/mommy are being used loosely here.

Secondly, I don't think we'd even be looking at SJ through a maternal framework if the man who took over his body wasn't Shen "I would never abort you" Yuan. SJ is mostly pulled into this because he exist in juxtaposition to Mr. Freud's Wet Dream (go read tshirt's SVSSS Freud zine btw, several points here are inspired by it).

The fact remains, though, that even without Wifebeam Supreme playing the part, there is something distinctly parental about the role of Shizun. Shizuns cannot be compared to teachers or tutors, who the child either go to visit durning the day, or who come to the child's home when it's time for lessons. Even with the respect due to them, a teacher remains distinct from a child's home and family. They do not overly incorporate themselves into these things that define a child's life.

Shizuns are a little different. There is, ofc, lots of variation within the xianxia and wuxia genres, but in most of the stories I've encountered— and more importantly for our purposes, in SVSSS itself— unless the child’s family home is their sect, when a child is accepted as a disciple, they're expected to join their shizun/shifu either in the master's home/sect, or in free-roaming travel. In both cases, the shizun's home becomes the disciple's home, and their shizun becomes the main adult responsible for the child. The master will take over in guiding the child's development from here, shaping them by their hand. Is that not a parent? I think some such imprinting is inevitable, even among more well-adjusted disciples. Do you know who's not well-adjusted?

Luo Binghe enters the sect soon after the death of his mother. There is a mommy shaped hole in his heart. Though absolutely nothing could replace her, he's a sad, lost, and angry child, coming to a mountain of immortal masters, desperately hoping for one of them to take him as their own. As much as he's motivated by fulfilling his mother's wishes, isn't he also looking for a place to belong in this world, now that the hut that he once called home is ruined by his mother's absence? Doesn't he hope, if only for a short time, that someone else will see fit to care for him? As much as Luo Binghe is already hurt and hardened in many ways, he's still just a child; he's not yet blackened beyond dreaming of someone to love him.

Shen Jiu is very much Not That. Shen Jiu is not a merely a lofty immortal ambivalent to his disciple’s emotional needs. No, Shen Jiu hates Luo Binghe enough to unfairly punish and ostracize him, and even puts him in deadly harm's way twice before just outright trying to kill him (the manual, the demon invasion, the abyss). Going by the framework of SQQ as a parental figure, he's undeniably an abusive one. In what way could this be said to be maternal, though? In my eyes, it comes down to motive.

Shen Jiu has a lot of motivations for abusing Binghe, mostly coming down to the fact that's he's more trauma response than man at this point, but one of these is more explicitly outlined in the text than the others: Shen Qingqiu saw three things on the original flavor’s face: envy, envy, and more envy. Envy that Luo Binghe had a mother who was “the kindest in all the world to him,” envy of Luo Binghe’s talent, envy that Luo Binghe would enter Cang Qiong Mountain Sect at the best age for cultivating. He was indeed the kind of person to brim with envy and resentment toward a young child.

Envy and jealously, at least in the western canon, are usually associated with female characters (and though it’s outside the scope of this post to dissect, let it not go unremarked that this trope is deeply misogynistic in origin). They are almost always envious of a younger, more beautiful, and/or more skillful woman, who are posed at the moral superior to the jealous woman. That's right, Shen Jiu is an evil stepmother! He tolerates having no superior or equal on his peak, needing his power and superiority to go unquestioned. Outside of his abuse of Binghe, and the references early in the novel to SJ chasing away talented disciples, I think this is also shown by how the male disciple SJ tolerates the most is Ming Fan, who has only middling talent and is obsequious before his shifu, never challenging SJ in any way, and never threatening to surpass him.

But of course, SJ’s relationship to Binghe is the most obvious example. Shen Jiu sees himself in Luo Binghe (derogatory). He sees Luo Binghe as a symbol of everything he never had. Luo Binghe is a creature like himself that, for no rhythm or reason, was given so much more than SJ. It is also notable that, at least as far as Shen Qingqiu, as an outside observer, can tell, the thing which first sparked SJ's ire was the mention of LBH's mother. Never mind that LBH says in the same breath that she's dead; the fact that when she lived, she was a kind and loving mother to LBH is enough for SJ to envy him, and as he finds more to envy, it comes justification to hate the boy, and to punish him for daring to have someone who died loving him.

(Side note: after consulting the qijiu server about the implications of SJ’s reaction, my reading is that SJ never knew his mother. The only alternative is that she was a bad mother, but I don't think he would find such unilateral comfort in women if that was the case. It's made me wonder if SJ ever believed that having a mother, a protector, would have spared him his fate. But alas, this post is not about SJ's mommy issues. Another day!)

Even outside the realm of cartoonish villains, I think this particular brand of envy is, in some ways, associate with motherhood. There's a natural tendency in parents to see themselves in their children, but as mothers are almost always the ones more involved in raising children and more expected to foster emotional connections with their children, I think this is both more common and more encouraged in mothers than fathers. Mothers are expected to be in charge of and over-involved in most aspects of a child's life, and in turn their lives are expected to revolve around their children, blurring the boarder between the self and the child. The child becomes symbolic of the mother's past self and what she can no longer be. The expectations on the child are the expectations of the mother's idealized self, and whether the child meets them or not, the mother will resent them for it, for daring to fail when they are her, or daring to succeed when they are not.

That's not to say SJ ever had such deep identification with LBH— he certainly never cared for LBH, and if anything, he's more like a mother who resents her child being born (as though he did not pick this boy out of the dirt himself)— but the hatred for a child under his care being like him but supposedly better off feels evocative of this characteristically maternal form of envy.

And finally, there is the fruit of SJ's actions, and the most explicitly/textually maternal aspect of SJ's abuse: it created Luo Bingge.

“Has Shidi ever considered that, if you hadn’t treated Luo Binghe like that in the beginning, everything that unfolded today never would have happened?”

He had singlehandedly created the Luo Binghe of today,

Luo Bingge, the all-powerful demon, the ruler of the three realms, and Shen Jiu's own personal torturer, would never have existed without SJ's intervention. Luo Bingge is shaped in Shen Jiu's image, and everything Shen Jiu ever did to destroy the boy only twisted him to further fit this mold. Luo Bingge's fate, the shape of his very soul, have been defined by SJ. And what is more maternal than giving someone their life defining trauma?

#svsss #shen jiu #luo binghe #luo bingge #original luo binghe #fish meta #lets all pretend I got this done on time #this was actually gonna be longer but I cannot get my remaining points to Word Correctly and I think this is pretty tidy as is

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remi-harbinger · 23 hours

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the scenario that comes to mind when i think of SJ/OG!LBH would be SJ trying to kill himself and hes standing at a cliff above a beach when OG!LBH comes by and drops killer pick up lines while also offering to take him out in another way ykyk and if not what if we committed suicide together? You're ethereal btw. SJ finds himself in the top story of some fancy french hotel with the only things in his mind being ??? and damn this is some good food. They get together somewhere down the line

#svsss #shen jiu #original shen qingqiu #luo binghe #luo bingge #original luo binghe

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lomlompurim · 5 months

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Request from twitter! Reverse transmigration og!Luo Binghe and Shen Yuan cuddling♡

Ex demon lord gets (no homo!!!) kisses on his head by local nerd who is also his (bf) roommate ❤💚

What are they watching?🎤

#svsss #人渣反派自救系统 #luo binghe #svsss fanart #shen yuan #binggyuan #original luo binghe #reverse transmigration #no homo cuddles #lomito requests from twitter

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aphel1on · 2 months

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bingy my meow meow (svsss tpmeme 1/?)

#svsss #luo binghe #original luo binghe #lbh #og lbh #scum villain #text post meme #aphelion.txt #third to the last one is bingge if u forgot :-)

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neuvixi · 6 months

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#based on the bingge vs bingmei extra #bingqui #if u squint #digital art #fanart #svsss #mxtx #shen qingqiu #sqq #sqq fanart #luo bingge #luo binghe #original luo binghe #scum villain #scum villian self saving system

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lost-sheep · 4 months

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"...in his original outline...he [Luo Binghe] had been doomed to fade away, alone and unchanging forever,

𝘴𝘰 𝘪𝘧 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘥𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘺 𝘯𝘰𝘵." -Extra 6 - Airplaine's Adventure Log

#danmei #svsss #人渣反派自救系统 #bingqiu #luo binghe #mxtx svsss #scumbag system #沈清秋 #shen qingqiu #Original Luo Binghe #shen yuan #scum villian self saving system #svsss fanart #svsss fandom #fix it #bingyuan #冰河

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organictofu · 11 days

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bingge using shen yuan as a chew toy for @nyoomerr!

indeed sy is the enrichment to bingge's enclosure 💕

my fifth prompt for @SVSSSAction's Gotcha for Gaza, thanks everyone for donating!!

#svsss gotcha for gaza #svsss #svsss fanart #binggeyuan #original luo binghe #shen yuan #shen qingqiu #scum villain self saving system

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friendodo · 2 months

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Emperor Luo Binghe is not happy that every time he tries to make a move on the new tutor his little brats are there ruining everything!!! Why does the handsome young tutor coddle them so much? No, he's not jealous!!!

thanks for the prompt @lovethatmakingcoffee. it's messy but hope you like it <3

#my art #svsss #art prompt #janky drawing i'm out of practice bear with me lol #original luo binghe #shen yuan

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sun-and-moon-mushroom · 2 months

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Former demon lord and unfortunate transmigrator Bingge falls on hard times because he doesn’t have demon powers or a legal identity in the new world he’s been brought to, ends up forced to work for a shady maid hiring service… but when he goes to his first job it seems his new employer, Shen Yuan has very different ideas about what the job entails than he does

or:

Bingge: yeah I can have sex for money that’s fine

Also Bingge: *forced to sit through SY ranting about whatever shitty web novel he’s been reading* just kill me now

#svsss #svsss au #luo binghe #luo bingge #bingyuan #binggeyuan #original luo binghe #traverse transmigrator lbh #maid bingge au

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momolith · 8 months

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bingfan commission for @darkened-protagonist

also known as Ming Fans Bi Awakening™

#my art #svsss #svsss fanart #luo binghe #original luo binghe #luo bingge #ming fan #scum villains self saving system #bingfan #YIPPIEEEEE

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sanlangsaturday · 6 months

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hey yall. we did it. (pst. theres also an unclothed version)

#my art #svsss #tgcf #luo binghe #original luo binghe #luo bingge #liu qingge #hua cheng #san lang #shen jiu #original shen qingqiu #tianlang-jun

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gaywarcriminals · 4 days

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The soggier a Bingge is, the better. Bingges looking "cool" is actually a sign of distress. A happy, healthy, and properly resocialized Bingge must be a a pathetic creature with mop-like quantities of water dripping from his fur.

#I love all Binghes ofc but badass suave competent emperor bingge IS THE MASK.#I think sv proves that to be really happy LBG has to abandon those notions and allow himself to openly and ardently crave affection #and the thing about loving and wanting love that badly is its a little cringe! a little pathetic! and that's so normal and beautiful!#Binghe deserves to be lame in all these wonderfully human ways #Because genuine and humble human connection will always make him happier than his empire his sword and his wives #svsss #luo binghe #luo bingge #original luo binghe

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bomshhr · 1 year

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Bingge finally went and got the kind shizun he deserves. He didn't expect him to be so tiny. So cute. Shen Yuan is also perfect size to carry around. He's never going to let him go.

#svsss #sketch #luo binghe #shen yuan #bingqiu #bingyuan #original luo binghe #i fear that shen yuan is never going to walk again on his own

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archerdepartures116 · 5 days

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this took really long lmao ( template by pompipurin on twt)

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spottedgardeneelstan · 8 months

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he scum on my villain till i self save

(get wifebeamed idiot)

#svsss #shen qingqiu #luo bingge #bingqiu #original luo binghe #once again the dick demon mark #this is just the bingge vs bingmei extra #right?#i don’t remember the meme i’m specifically referencing but hopefully you get it

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bytedykes · 1 month

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[ID: Digital art of disciples Ning Yingying and Luo Binghe. They're sitting together, Binghe with his face tucked into Yingying's neck. He's clutching her robes and she has her arms wrapped around him, one hand holding the back of his head. Binghe's face isn't visible, but Yingying has an unhappy expression - a slight frown, perhaps guilty. They're loosely shaded with a watercolor brush, and there's some bamboo drawn behind Yingying. Above them, the word "comfort" is written in quotes. /end ID]

do u ever think about the original ning yingying and luo binghe. because i do

#ning yingying #luo binghe #svsss #pidw #original luo binghe #original ning yingying #scum villain's self saving system #nik art #misc #i was too lazy to color this but i didnt want to post it with only the lines so quick watercolor shading it is!

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