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blee-bloop-im-a-bee · 3 years

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a scuffed scuffed podcast summary/liveblogging?

(mostly focused on dream, quotes might be off but its the general gist, timestamps not exact to second lol)

- Praise and congratulations all around for Sapnap and Punz’s valorant skills

- Dream: “well I woke up this morning and I found out I was a racist soo..” (context: Someone asked Jack how he felt about the Queen being racist and he replied that doesn’t really know anything about that and that he didn’t really care)

- They didn’t get into it though, Train said he was never going to get into Dream’s drama on this podcast (which he remarks is because it gives him anxiety, but I appreciate him for doing it nonetheless)

- on Tubbo joining in: Train confirming he would need a different cast because he’s concerned about Tubbo’s audience (& parents) and wants to set up another podcast properly where it would be more appropriate for them, to which Dream comments is respectable.

- Dream mentioned geoguessr

- after Train’s weird (/lh) intro for dream 1:22:00---

Dream: “You didn’t mention--oh nevermind it’s fine”

(Me, wondering if he was talking about his drama still)

Train: “OH YEAH, AND ONE OF THE FATTEST C**** IN HISTORY”

Dream laughing and going “you didn’t mention it, you mentioned it for everyone else..”

- Ludwig on having to limit his subs: yeah I’ve had to limit them but I found that some people have still managed to get around that

“I don’t think anybody would try to get around that”- Dream

- They talked about the david dobrik drama, I didn’t care so much for the topic so I spaced out but Dream put in some thoughts about someone’s apology it seemed like he wasn’t on board with it (sorry I wasn’t paying attention)

- Dream, was that you that mentioned jenna marbles? (1:41:35) crumbs of my favorite ccs colliding??

- Dream: acknowledging the difficulty of females coming forward to speak out against creators for fear of being lashed out at by the fanbase (1:42:00)

- Abdou: Do you think big creators actually don’t realize the power they have? Will: I think it’s more that they start forgetting that their fanbase are still real people... (neat food for thought, they were still talking in the context of david dobrik but because they were also mentioning how he achieved fame at a young age, i couldn’t help but think about dream)---- dream said nothing during this part

- topic on among us, Dream chiming in at 1:51:00 (spaced out didn’t listen)

- spaced out more, dream’s face reveal went trending on twitter apparently just cause of an earlier mixup when punz’s face showed up in the box where dream’s name was

- in the background, dream was also on his private twt to reassure a fan commenting on how moe brought up dream’s fans negatively (i remember moe bringing us up but i didn’t catch the context)

- ~2:10:00 ish?? Youtube talk, dream didn’t say much :(

- Dream once again declaring that Ludwig will definitely keep streaming until the end of the month and that he’ll make sure of it

- Ludwig saying Dweam

- Ludwig not leaving until he heard Dream say goodbye which dream claims he did, and that Ludwig couldn’t pick and choose his goodbyes. Ludwig threatened to ban Dream’s alt to which Dream was like “NO no no don’t i want to be able to read your chat”

- Dream, loudly: “I have never had sushi” (not unprompted, they were talking about sushi, but I just liked how he said it-- he used the voice)

- Dream lore: He had walmart sushi. He got roasted for it (deserved)

- Talking about cancel culture:: ~~2:53:00 2:57:30 Dream brings up his drama and summarizes it but does agree that if he those videos about him been true, he should be cancelled (I think that was his gist?)

Train’s point is that there is too many people who are quick to cancel, but when they are wrong, do nothing to make things right ie. Johnny Depp situation

Moe acknowledging that theres a culture of bandwagoning on hating on popular creators

3:01:00 Will bringing together all the points & mentioning Kacey and kpop stans bringing up the time they bought out trumps speech tickets- and hopes that all of the stans (kpop, minecraft) continue to have this passion when they turn 18 to affect the ballots

- Train talking about weebs and about to go a buck fifty, dream and karl were warning him to “be careful” lmao (i think train said something about how its always the ones with anime pfps saying the weirdest shit)

- I wonder what dream is doing while they’re all talking about manga/comics- I’m waiting for him to come in and say: I have never watched anime in that voice he didn’t end up saying this

Dream: “Gorillas are really strong..” King kong vs. Godzilla convo

Dream saying something about spiderman, then Train calling spiderman a pussy and like wtf man I was starting to think you were alright, and then talking over dream?? unforgiveable. /j

-oop they’re going back into cancel culture when Train reads out a tweet: ~3:34:00 I can’t summarize this, this is a little too deep for my sleepy brain, but I feel like train is talking about how quick to judge people are almost being ready to jump the gun just to cancel someone thinking that that person wanted to cancel him, but Dream is pointing out that both sides don’t really understand each other and that person probably wasn’t trying to cancel Train. Jack also spoke up to help clarify to which you could hear Dream agreeing.

Dream acknowledges that there is a need for creators to make an effort to understand discussion that goes around and to be respectful at the same time, admitting that he’s reacted in anger in the past and disregarded discussions.

^ There were a lot of points made, and I didn’t get all of dream’s responses. It was interesting conversation because we have Train being honest and venting his frustrations about cancel culture which I can sympathize with. Dream (and Jack) spoke up a lot during the whole thing to try to shift Train’s point of view and the things he said were really admirable

Dream brings up the thing that happened with charlie a while back and said he dm’d charlie about that misunderstanding as dream puts it- and says that they are good now and saying something along the lines of open communication being so important

- Someone: “the only thing that matters is that my wife doesn’t cancel me.” Dream: “that’s really sweet” <- no u

- “Would you let your kids watch on Twitch” Dream: As long as you’re aware and know about Twitch and Youtube, and as long as you teach your kids internet safety it should be fine

- Dream, on Train saying he hopes everyone will still be friends with him after this: “I actually hate you now” (in a joking tone). Dream wants to play among us with Train. Dream, prompted to say one nice thing about Train and also the last words he said on the podcast: “An attractive motherfucker.”

#this is a really scuffed summary #idk i just felt like using this podcast to practice my listening skills #dreamwastaken #i have zero opinion about all this #all i know is listen to dream voice

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argumentl · 3 years

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The Freedom of Expression Ep 15 - Bill to extend prosecutor's mandatory retirement age is 'inviting the deterioration of public order'.

K: Hi, this is Dir en grey's Kaoru, starting this episode of the Freedom of Expression. Joe san, Tasai san, lets try again this week.

J, T: Yes, lets.

K: Well...

Kami: Lets

K: Oh? He's here all of a sudden.

J: Right from the start all of a sudden. He's at the forefront today.

Kami: No, I just thought I'd show that Im here.

J: Oh, I see.

K: You're here, right.

J: Like, 'Im here, Im here'

Kami: Yes, just informing you of my presence.

K: Well, this week lets start with you please, Joe

*on screen note: Recorded on May 21st*

J: Yes. Well, firstly I'd like to go with this topic...'Celebrities say "NO" to Abe's personnel. A bill to extend the mandatory retirement age of prosecutors is 'inviting the deterioration of public order'. Perhaps due to the influence of the many people, including celebrities, who took part in an online protest on Twitter, a government bill to extend the mandatory retirement age of prosecutors is currently being shelved by the Diet. It is merely being shelved, this does not mean it will be thrown out. However, if the mandatory retirement age is actually ammendened, what kind of influece would it have? This is the topic today.

So this is an evolving story. The person at the centre of it is chief prosecutor Kurokawa from the Tokyo High Public Prosecutor's Office. He was caught betting on Mahjong, *T laughs* and has since announced his resignation. So, this already confusing situation has descended even further into chaos, its almost like a movie, or manga plot. I thought this news was incredible. Kaoru, have you been following this story?

K: Well, I've seen it, yeah.

J: Have you? Well, many people have been speaking out on Twitter. Regarding this, well, if we were to simply explain the contents of the bill in question...the Prosecutors Office, well, the prosecutors, they are the only ones with the power to indict in Japan.The police can arrest and manage people, but they have no power to indict. In realation to a case, only the prosecutors can make an indictment, either guilty or innocent, and if guilty, they can decide the appropriate sentence in court. If the prosecutors don't indict a person, even if they are arrested, the power to arrest still exists...that person wouldn't be a 'criminal', which makes whether or not the prosecutors decide to indict a very important issue. I think we talked about this in a previous episode, but if we say the conviction rate is 99.9%, almost everyone who is arrested will be found guilty. So whether or not the prosecutors will indict is pretty much decided upon arrest. Then, in relation to the personnel of the Prosecutors Office, there is this 'Public Prosecutors Office Law', which states that the Prosecutor General has to retire at age 65, and everyone else in the Prosecutors Office has to retire at age 63. However, the current top guy, the Prosecutor General is about to retire, so the question has arisen of who will replace him. Now, usually the Prosecutor General will choose his replacement, but rather than going with the choice of the Prosecutor General, Abe's government said that they wanted this guy Kurokawa to be the next Prosecutor General. The problem is, Kurokawa is one of those who had to retire at age 63, and he retired on the 7th of Feb this year, so they wanted to extend his mandatory retirement age by six months. In that time, the person designated by the current Prosecutor General would have reached his age limit and had to retire. They imagined that with him out of the way, Kurokawa would then automatically succeed to the position of Prosecutor General. But like I already mentioned, according to the law, Kurokawa has to retire at 63, so they pulled out this other law called the 'National Public Service Act', which is...well, prosecutors are also public servants, so according to this Act, if the government decides to, they are allowed to extend the retirement age of a public servant for up to six months. So in pulling this out, they extended Kurokawa's retirement. But if you ask which law comes first, the National Public Service Act, or the Public Prosecutors Office Law...prosecutors are doing special work, with the power to indict, so rather than settling with the generally applying National Public Service Act, the Public Prosecutors Office Law was created intentionally to ensure retirement. In spite of this the govt. have suddenly pulled out this loosly applying legislation, and declared 'We are gonna extend his retirement age! Cause its written in law', and made the six month extention. In contradiction to this there has been a passionate response, 'Isn't that illegal?!' or with regards to the government arbitrarily choosing a potentially advantagous person as top prosecutor, like, 'Can they really do that?!'. Now, at present as for the content which the govt. wants to actually ammend...well, its currently the case that prosecutors have to retire at either 65 or 63, but if that was ammended, a rule would be included to extend the retirement age by three years. If that if happened...this would be after Kurokawa, but if that became legal, and the govt. starting saying, 'This guy gets an extention, that guy gets an extension', the other prosecutors might all start licking the govt.'s boots, and they may no longer be able to handle the many rocky cases in which politicians are caught misbehaving. 1*. There as been much talk about how distasteful this seems.

T: Thats right. And then, it exploded on Twitter, and public opinion has turned against it. And just when we thought the proposal was shelved, the issue exploded again.

J: It did explode again. It wasn't Tokyo Sports who revealed it was it?

T: No, it wasn't. Imagine that!

K: It would be great timing.

J: So, the key figure in all of this, Kurokawa, he gathered some reporters to join him gambling on mahjong, heedless of the corona situation. He loves mahjong anyway, thats a well known story, but this time they played mahjong while gambling on it. So there is also the issue of the leglity of betting on mahjong.

T: Yeah, theres too much information to this story. *the others laugh*

J, K: There is!

J: You lose track of what the problem actually is...

Kami: No, there is only one problem. There is one focus.

J: What is that, in your view, Kami?

Kami: Im very interested in this...What was his rate? *Everyone laughs*

J: What was his rate for betting on mahjong??

K: Of course, of course.

Kami: Thats the only problem.

J: Just that?

Kami: Yes, just that.

T: Do you like mahjong, Kami?

Kami: Yes, I like mahjong. I wondered how much that kind of top class guy would bet on mahjong. Thats the most important thing to me. *T laughing*

T: Thats incredible, Kami.

Kami: Its not written down anywhere.

J: Tokyo Sports could get an exclusive with this.

Kami: Tasai, Tasai...I have a request for Tasai san.

T: Yes, ahh..eh? Ok.

Kami: Isn't there times where all the reporters get together for gatherings or something?

T: Yeh, there is.

Kami: Umm..Could you...

K: Are you gonna ask directly?

Kami: At the reporters club, could you say, 'Im Tasai from Tokyo Sports, I'd like to talk about Kurokawa betting on mahjong...what was his rate?.'..I want you to do that for me.

J: Ahh, he wants you to do it.

T: I'd raise my hand like this, and say 'Im Tasai from Tokyo Sports...'?

Kami: Yes, thats it. And also, isn't there a famous female reporter?

T: Ohh, at Tokyo Shinbun newspaper?

J: Mochizuki san, right?

T: Yeh, Mochizuki san.

Kami: Ahh, yes yes. You'd win against her...if you asked.

T: Ahh, win against Mocchii?

Kami: You would!

J: Well, she's a person of the times isn't she?

T: Yeah. By the way, they say Ebisu Yoshikazu san was caught doing リャンピン*2, which is like 200yen to 1000 points.

J: Oh, so your guilt changes depending on the amount you bet?

T: If its quite a lot, generally in mahjong...

Kami: It doesn't change.... Any betting of money is illegal I think.

J: So if you bet anything, thats it?

T: Strictly speaking..

Kami: Money is money, its not allowed.

J: I see.

T: If you bet money, its illegal, but there are mahjong parlours all over Japan, right? And in reality, there are other kind of speculating entertainment places, like pachinko. So often, when its at a rate like this, the police often just overlook it. They are not trying to disturb illegal entertainment to that extent. For example 500yen to 1000 points, they are kinda just acknowledging that kind of situation now. So even in mahjong parlours, if you express your rate clearly, thats a no-no, but..

J, K: Ahh, ok.

T: If you say 'Im betting at this rate'..Theres kind of a very subtle line, in reality. Strictly speaking, betting even 1 yen is illegal.

Kami: Wasn't there some city's mayor who was accused of betting on mahjong, and he responded, its no fun if you don't bet? *T laughs*

K: There was something like that, yeh.

J: Thats very honest.

Kami: Yeh.

T: Thats right.

Kami: Yeah, I thought the same as him.

T: Ahh, I see..

Kami: Yeh, yeh, yeh.

T: Do you like gambling, Kami?

J But, actually, where do gods play mahjong?

T: Right?!

K: Hehehe

J: Do gods go to mahjong parlours?

Kami: I've been to them. *everyone laughs*

J: This is a vulgar god!

T: Kami, are you good at gambling?

Kami: No, I just like it...but I rarely win.

J, T: *laugh*

K: He doesn't have the knack for it, right?

J: Yeah.

Kami: Not at all.

J: Thats it, he likes it, but he doesn't win.

T: But using his 1000yen hourly earnings like that...

J: Yeah, betting with what little money he has..

T: How sad!

Kami: With mahjong, I always feel like I want to bet more, I want to outbet the others. *3

J: You're the impatient type?

T: You outbet them straight away?

*Everyone laughing*

J: You're impatient.

Kami: Thats right.

K: I see.

T: So in this instance, it can also be explained as a way to divert criticism away from the administration. In short, making Kurokawa's mahjong gambling the focus, attention is diverted away from the government's hard insistence on extending the retirement age. Thats the argument. And in the meantime, the next Prosecutor General could have been already been marked out. In the end, they could end up doing the same thing again.

J: Well, I don't know exactly how this story about Kurokawa's mahjong tournament was leaked, but he was playing with Asahi journalists?...and Sankei journalists, one explanation is that Sankei leaked the story. I mean, if you ask for details, basically in that area around the Diet building, Nagatacho or Kasumigaseki and such, everyone is so close together, that everyone knows everything. Even if they don't show each other, they are all moving to the same beat, so there will always be rumours of this type of thing. If Kurokawa disappears after this, and this happens again to future top prosecutors, they could just be thrown out, so instead they may end up becoming minions of the government.

T: Yeah

J: Its very scary, and like you explained Tasai, Kurokawa san resigned due to this mahjong scandal, so when we look back at this we will see him as a person involved in mahjong gambling, but that isn't actually the real problem here. Its really about forcing the retirement age, the sociology of law to change. I mean Kurokawa san has been a very useful guy to this administration up till now. We can't forget what he was trying to become, and just say 'Ah, the guy who quit due to mahjong!', that was only the final element. If things became like that, it would seem wrong for the distortion of Japan's judicary to end up as a story about mahjong, im a little concerned about that. As for Kurokawa, he resigned, he wasn't fired. So he got a payoff.

T: Thats unforgivable.

J: Yeah, so we also have to think about that.　This is a situation where he really should have been dismissed, but to resign in advance and get his leaving payoff..Id like him to use it all betting on mahjong against Kami. *T laughs*.

K: Ahh, that would be good.

J: Right?

K: Kami would never win!

Kami: No, i couldn't play at such a high rate. No way!

T: If you're not gonna win, right?

Kami: No no no, no way.

T: It would've been a big payoff.

J: It would.

Kami: No, no way.

J: It would work if you really focussed all your power though?

K: Yeah, pile it all up.

J: Yeah! And then lets all go wild at Yakiniku.

T: Yeh, lets go!

Kami: No, I'll lose my money early, so can I go home after that?

K: No, you have to stay till you win.

T: Play until you win.

K: Okay, well on that note..

Kami: If I had to do that..um..

K: What?.....Hm?

J: What did he say?

K: Well, anyway..

Kami: Yes, yesyesyes

K: Yes yes?

Kami: I thought you were about to finish, so..what was it? I forgot what I was going to say.

*Everyone laughs*

J: Make sure you remember what it was by next time, Kami.

Kami: Yeh, ok.

K: Ok, well lets finish here for this week. Please subscribe. Thank you very much.

J, T: Thank you very much.

*1 Misbehaving, or something like it.

2, 3* I don't know anything about mahjong rules.

This was another tough episode! Eeek!

#dir en grey #the freedom of expression #tfoe #薫 #kaoru

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