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randomnameless · 9 months

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Well, looks like even a broken clock's right at least twice a day; an edelstan on twitter was pissed a few days ago when they saw that Cyril's Meet the Heroes description described his time “working” for House Goneril as “some odd twists and turns”, pointing out that such vague wording was most likely used due to a combination of 3H not caring about Cyril's backstory and IS needing to sanitize Hilda's image so she can sell better in Heroes.

Hahaha,

It's funny because on SPE some people made memes, and you have angry people in the comments, being angry and basically lying or making up facts to either diminish Cyril's uh, "working conditions" in House Goneril, or try to sweep it under the rug to give some "Rhea BaD" takes again

Like :

(meme where Claude doesn't criticise his allies for keeping slaves, but blame racism on the lady who saved the child slave)

"Faerghus is the most violent country because they killed the emperor and enacted a coup while being backed up by mole people" to talk about that time when Loog got his independance

"Rhea BaD bcs Cyril can't learn how to read if you don't support him with Lysithea" even if he writes in the Post TS regardless of recruiting Lysithea or not

"Claude tries to talk to Cyril out of fighting but Cyril drives to a suicide charge with Rhea's blessing so Rhea BaD" in GW, with the source being, idk, since the person who came with that take never sourced it

"Rhea BaD she used the regicide in Faerghus to get rid of her political enemies" you mean the dude who tried to kill her?

"Supreme Leader wouldn't be able to continue warring if Rhea DeD bcs else she would be invading people and would lose public support" like the Supreme Leader? From the land of MAGA? Lose public support?? If she invades nations to restore Adrestia to its glorious past???

"Cyril never said he wasn't eating well in house Goneril" but the JP line says he was always hungry in PAlmyra and Fodlan before coming to the Monastery...

Anyways, as expected, even if FEH tries to sanitise some of Fe Fodlan's most, uh, contentious points, we will always have discourse because some people just prefer their fanon to canon, and while I can understand them to a degree (look Willy is basically fanon at this point) it's always hilarious to see people refuse to engage or even consider that the game they "love" says X when they prefer Y.

When it comes to, in general, Church related characters or Kingdom related characters, we see a lot of discourse like this popping up because while FE Fodlan shat on them (to an extent, for the Church related characters) FEH has to give them the minimum spotlight they give to other characters of the franchise, so yes, Hilda's popularity most likely is the reason why Cyril in MYH just had some "odd twists and turns" (tfw Begnion Senators aren't as popular :( so Muarim was mentionned to have been a slave) but his voiced lines has him mention he was captured as a "war prisoner"...

Putting everything it adds up and we have : Cyril was captured as a war prisoner when he was 11-12 by the Gonerils, was hungry there, complained about "work being hard" there (when Cyril doesn't complain at all in GM despite the huge workload he has!), and implies to Mercedes to have been mistreated in House Goneril because he was Almyran (which matches Hilda's prejudices in her C support about Almyrans).

Why is Cyril's backstory so "discourse rising" then?

Is it because Rhea BaD cannot rescue a child from slavery from a popular character's family/household? Or because Hilda's laziness and preference to let other people do her chores looks especially wrong if we take into consideration that those "other people doing her chores" at home might be children "kept as prisoner of wars and fed twice per week"? Or because it reflects badly on Claude (in both games) who wants to end discriminations and prejudices by getting rid of the institution that rescued an abused child, while working hand in hand with the family that abused said child based on his origins?

(lol@the "but Faerghus BaD" bonus point in the earlier SPE thread I mention, I don't even understand why it was brought up lol)

Back to your post, it's hilarious how this edelstand was pissed becayse FEH whitewashed Cyril's backstory to maybe sell more Hilda alts, when Pat'n'pals try their hardest (in FE16, Nopes and even FEH!) to "alter the script" to shit on Rhea, Dimitri to make Supreme Leader alt'able.

Maybe there's hope for this twitter/X stan?

#anon #replies #I can't type X seriously lol #fandom woes #i think this is more on the Fodlan games treating serious points like these as jokes or not giving them any serious thoughts #how can the Deer routes pretend to tackle racism if House Goneril is never tackled?#I'm not asking Hilda to become like Tellius!Jill #but even just a thing or a reaction from Claude maybe in their support #like they really really get along but Claude's afraid her prejudice against Almyrans will make her turn against him if she ever learnt #who he is #but if Rhea has to be the giant red herring and even scapegoat to drink Hresvelg Tea everything she does must be sus #if Rhea isn't the reason why Fodlan might not like foreigners and is even the one who welcomes and shelters them #then maybe Supreme Leader's point that erasing her will save the world is completely stupid? And you wouldn't side with her or be sad #if you kill her?#idk #FE16 #mention

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sardonic-the-writer · 2 years

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Egos at a wedding?

Goddamn thank you for all these mf ASKS WOOHOO!!! Yall getting fed tonight

━MARKIPLIER ☆

He cries. One hundred percent sobs at everything. Cries when the vows are said, cries when the rings are presented, cries when the music is played, cries when the cake is cut-

You've already run out of tissues and it's only ten

━DARKIPLIER ☆

Dark doesn't really do much compared to the others. Doesn't show a ton of emotion, but also isn't completely void of any.

Will offer a smile to the happy couple and keep his arms around your waist the entire time, but is mostly ready to go home

You did make him wear a suit though. And oh boy did it pay off

━ANTISEPTICEYE ☆

"Myh collar 's to tight."

"Suck it up and suffer Anti."

"But it's so hotttt."

"Anti I swear to god if you mess up this wedding for everyone I will knock you out so hard when you wake up your clothes will be out of style."

"Firey. Thas why I love yhou."

"Oh shut your trap."

━WILFORD ☆

The life of the motherloving party

Tears it up on the dance floor hour after hour. Hijacks the DJ booth at one point to switch out the rave music or whatever for his disco-esqe tunes. And where in the hell did those backup dancers come from??

By the end of the night (or early morning I should say) the both of you are piss drunk

Wilford is more composed than you since he's been drunk and in positions like these more times than he cares to count, so the pinkette is still in his right mind to not let either of you drive home

You dunno how he did it but the next morning you woke up next to him at your hotel

━YANCY ☆

Yancy and you aren't allowed anywhere outside the prison no matter the circumstances. But who said the wedding had to be outside?

You both attended a small reception between Tiny and her toothbrush named Clark with googly eyes stuck to it, the both of them in scrappy wedding attire made from toilet paper and napkins

Yancy very supportive and enthusiastic, but he does shed a tear or two in front of you

"I just can' help it. The both of youse is suck a good couple."

━ENGINEER ☆

Actually cleaned himself up for once in his life. No grease stains anywhere to be found

(Accept for one smack dab on his ass but you didn't tell. What, you gotta get some entertainment in here and there)

Next to Markiplier, Engineer is the best bet you're gonna get to "normal" at a wedding with. But of course, you wouldn't have it any other way

━ACTOR ☆

Is the diva of the reception. Snapping his fingers loudly at bus boys to get their attention, and yelling "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!" at them if they don't have what he wants

But the man child has enough common sense in him to not fuck up the wedding vow moment; mostly staying quiet and only complaining about a few things under his breath

Doesn't show it a lot but is very flattered to be at a wedding with you, even if you two weren't the ones getting married

━ILLINOIS ☆

Is there such thing as an elegant fuck boy? Becuase if so that Illinois.

He charms his way through the event, managing to get extra cake/champain/closer seats/better food ect ect from people just with a wink and some smooth words

You find it hilarious. Yes you two are a thing but it's funny to see him get his way just by acting flirty. Besides, at the end of the night he's still your Illinois in that dashing suit of his :)

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cryoexorcist · 2 years

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Okay so I tried to piece things together in a coherent manner but it’s been exhausting, but after thinking about this for the better part of 2 weeks, here at long last, is my headcanon on Chongyun’s family/family history.

I first started doing research when I noticed Chongyun’s affiliation changed from Liyue harbor to Tianheng Thaumaturges. After doing some research and trying to piece together lore, I have decided that Chongyun’s clan can trace their lineage back to when the Guili Assembly was still very much in use. Thaumaturges established their presence by helping to forge the blackcliff catalyst. (and thus where the blackcliff weapons came from)

From there, I can only gather that the thaumaturges started using their magic for exorcisms, since it all seems to go hand in hand in general. The clan grew and spread out, keeping their residence near Mt. Tianheng, or perhaps moving into the city of Liyue once that came into existence.

Since Chongyun mentions briefly that there are relics in their family that can be traced back generations, and there is an established hierarchy in said clan, I can assume that they have somewhat decent standing, especially considering they’re ‘renowned’ throughout Liyue. I refuse to believe that one becomes renowned without having some level of fortune/high class citizenship.

Also to branch off a bit, I feel like Chongyun’s half the clan wasn’t really present when Shenhe’s story happened. Perhaps the elders all agreed collectively to let each individual family do their own thing for the sake of exorcisms and demon hunting, we don’t know. But since they’re part of the same clan, it’s easy to assume that Chongyun did grow up on stories of Shenhe and everything that happened.

Going back to where I think the clan stands in society: I firmly believe they have money, and lots of it. They may not be as well know or super high class as say, XQ and his clan, but Chongyun’s family does have importance and is treated with respect. They would have to have money in order to obtain and upkeep a large family, storage for all their relics, weapons, talismans, charms, probably spellbooks even. I can also assume that they pay for private tutoring/weapons training and training in general. And for Chongyun personally, there’s probably a need to keep mora handy for ordering and commissioning customized clothing/fabric to keep Chongyun comfortable. Not to mention, the cost of importing food from different nations.

For Chongyun especially, in the game it’s stated that people mistrust him because of how powerful they are, but I honestly don’t buy that. The notion to be honest is ridiculous to me. Chongyun has performed hundreds of exorcisms, with a 100% success rate, I really doubt that putting in that much effort for an ungrateful people makes no sense. I can buy confusion and curiosity, but to say that Chongyun has to actively apologize to people upsets me, so I wish to disregard it.

I also think, since it’s stated that Chongyun is heir to the clan, that he is either an only child, or the eldest child and is set to take over as clan leader when his parents/elders no longer can run it. It’s not a responsibility they want exactly, but Chongyun will readily accept it because they do care for their clan/family and do not wish to see their traditions and practices fall to the wayside.

But ultimately, the clan as a whole has a presence that is well established and well known since the founding of Liyue. They’re influential, but not powerful, but are also rich enough to afford a lot of things.

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#/ ᴅɪsᴄɪᴘʟɪɴᴇ ᴡɪᴛʜ ʙᴀʟᴀɴᴄᴇ ᴄᴏɴǫᴜᴇʀs ᴛʜᴇ ᴡᴏʀʟᴅ / headcanon #long post #this took me so long #i have literally spent days trying to find more information #and there's still a lot i could be missing #but there's already so very little information on chongyun anyway #idc if things turn out different in game #myh doesn't care so i do #this actually has me really upset #but you know what #give me my rich and semi-noble scrunkly #i refuse to believe he's some simple commoner #stronk with a vision and with terrifying powers that be #make chongyun a noble 2kforever #anyway i will never stop brainrotting over their family #or the clan as a whole #because there's way too many questions #and possibilities #but this is a start

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randomnameless · 6 months

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How would you feel if IS decided to release a Forging Bonds where Claude and Hilda acknowledged Cyril's situation prior to Rhea saving him, Hilda specifically apologizes to him for what her family put him through, and Claude specifies that one of his first actions upon becoming leader of the Alliance was to outlaw any and all indetured servants throughout the country and free all the ones that already existed, along with giving them support structures to help them get readjusted to normal life?

On the one hand, it'd be pretty much the only choice IS has at this point if they were to ever adress the slavery problem in Almyra, and the writing team for Heroes has clearly shown itself to be more than willing to go against stances taken by the Fódlan games, such as having Lissa call out Edelgard on how stupid her stance towards crests is, so it wouldn't be entirely out of the realm of possibility; on the other hand, they did go out of their way to conveniently skip over the part of Cyril's backstory where he was a slave when he was added to Heroes, implying they really don't want to touch that subject either, and it'd be really lame if such a major issue with one of the three major countries in Fódlan was only ever addressed and resolved in the gacha game.

Anon,

Have you seen/lived through Book 7 of FEH?

All jokes aside, I think that even in the case FEH suddenly bring backs writers from the fridge, that would teeter to close to "uwu challenging a House Leader" and we know, with the bonkers A!Ingrid FB's event, that this is something they will never do.

Claude (and Hilda) having to grow from their FE16/Nopes selves?

Nah, can't do.

In a way, I think the Nabateans (and Billy?) were able to be "tooled"/"more developed" in FEH because, as ridiculous as it is, they're not the main selling points of Fodlan.

Lissa and Supreme Leader's FB was really odd, because FEH dared to go in that direction (ditto with Mila and Hegemon!gard) - so maybe they could... or, as seen in Engage with Supreme Forehead, they will try to erase everything that made her controversial or a character to begin with, to focus on "uwu rivals uwu school friends uwu".

So, if Supreme Leader's situation is that "difficult", I can't see them give the same amounts of fuck to Claude -

And, as you pointed out, given how Cyril's BG was "modified" to make sure House Goneril isn't mentionned or whatever happened in Almyra, I don't they will ever care - even if there used to be a time (or is it still going on?) where Supreme Leader's MYH blurbs, just like Dimitri's and Rhea's were periodically edited/modified by IS (especially the JP versions, for reasons we all know :p ) so, who knows, maybe one day, Cyril's MYH blurb will also be modified?

As for the idea in general -

In the paralogue, Hilda sorts of feels sorry for Cyril's time as a "servant" in House Goneril, which is like, the minimal kindness-reaction she can give, but there are no other mentions of that situation in this paralogue.

Hell, later on, when Hilda goes to Holst after the battle, she checks on his health, and recovers Freikugel - no mention of "plz tell people not to pick almyran children or at least don't give them so much work to do because they're having a hard time".

And while I liked the idea, in FE16, of Hilda being a sort of kind and caring character, who still has a lot of prejudices against Almyrans - she is lazy and doesn't want to do her chores because she's afraid she will mess up, and yet, she can be lazy because her House is the only one mentionned in Fodlan that has "servants" who aren't fed everyday who do "hard work" - because while Tellius went ham on the people who are prejudiced against other races, sometimes racism means someone can be the kindest and nicest person you ever know... except not to some other group of people (iirc we get this with Lyn's grandpa, who didn't approve of his daughter marrying Hasan, a Sacean, and yet, through his few lines and appearance, we see how he is a kind (albeit feeble) old man - who finally managed to get over his prejudice on his "deathbed", only for him to recover and spend time with his granddaughter at the end of Lyn's story).

Of course FE16 couldn't give this character arc to Hilda - which is kind of a shame, bcs tfw an ultra minor NPC from FE7 can grow but not a playable character in FE16 - but as an idea and concept, it could have been nice.

Instead, both Hilda and Claude are in a kind of limbo regarding this issue, because their games want to push the CoS scarecrow, thus the source of "everything wrong in Fodlan" and so, human vice, human greed and human failings aren't explored in their routes.

FWIW, I don't think any major state and its issues are explored in the Fodlan games, save for, maybe, Faerghus thanks to Nopes - and the Fodlan games aren't really concerned with tackling racism, even if I still give them a spot above Tellius, since Tellius has "biological reasons for anti miscegenation", but even if the games don't pretend to make a huge point of being "anti racism", imo this issue is best presented in the Elibe games.

TBH, I'd prefer a FB where Cyril interacts with the Nabateans and/or calls them his true family, maybe to someone like Medeus and or Xane or even later Jahn when he will be released? who wonder why he is hanging out with Dragons when he is only a human, Cyril replying that human or not human, Rhea showed him kindness and saved his life when no one else cared, so she is his mother and savior, period.

End of FB ends up with the Rheas overhearing him and each taking a turn to hug him which embarasses him to oblivion, with Seiros the Warrior not participating because she doesn't know that human yet, but if there is that kind of human in Future Fodlan, then even if Adrestia will fall, her fight wasn't for nothing.

#anon #replies #FE16 #3 Nopes #Cyril stuff #i know the FB wouldn't be about him per se #but tbh I don't see even FEH trying to develop Leicester and this particular issue more than the base games #they completely ignored it #why would FEH even tackle it?#say if Nader is ever added to FEH #I don't think his FB will be about the souvenirs and rampages and saturday raids #however much like Hegemongard and Supreme Leader who leave when their BS is pointed out #I think a Claude wanting to open borders with Almyra would also have a 404 error and blue screen and ultimately leave a conversation #when another character will point out how it takes 2 to dance and as long as Almyra doesn't stop the raids souvenirs and rampages #Fodlan will not accept to open its borders or even its heart to people who only want to kill them #Cyril being doted on by the Rheas in the FEH verse is a hc I really like!#Seiros the Warrior would try too but she's still at that phase where she thinks offering raw turnips is a sign of appreciation

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