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OH MY GOD I FINALLY WATCHED MUTANT MAYHEM AND DJJSAJJSNSNFHXJDJ
queue the ramble :) (also yes spoilers)
I’m so so happy being able to take off mutant mayhem filters NOW I CAN BASK IN THE FANART YES YESBEYYEYSYSYSYSA
Ok so like I pulled up right and I knew it was gon be GOOD, but IT WAS GOODER THAT GOOD???? After I watched rise I was like mkmk yea there’s NO WAY they can make them more teenager-y But they Did.
My friend my love told me that they told the VA to change the script if they wanted to and if they thought it was more relevant and honestly? BEST DECISION EVER
U can feel however u want abt the movie but I will Fight You about the relevancy of it so bad, like something that media tends to focus on capturing is the Present, the feeling of the very moment “insert thing” happens, and the relevancy of certain situations in certain times. It’s the very reason why nostalgia hits so hard, because it is capturing the feeling of being right there in that moment, and so effortlessly
That’s what I felt watching the movie, THEY LITERALLT SAID RIZZ AND SUS, and I never in my LIFE thought I’d hear that in an ACTUAL OFFICIAL MOVIE, I just KNOW history scholars are gonna psycho analyze every reference they make
ALSO I ADORE SPLINTER SO SO SO MUCHANJAJASJKEKNX, I love seeing just-became-a-father splinter it’s AKJSNDNX. I really really love the angle they took with him, and him seeing himself reflected in superfly and how being so strict hurts his kids because it doesn’t let them explore options or themselves fully, even if he really does think he’s right
ALSO HIM AND SCUMBAG AKAJNSNSNX IT WAS SO CUTEEEE IT KILLED MEEE
AND OH GOD near the end when superfly had the turtles and was abt to like snap them and I saw the broken shells I, no kidding, screamed. THE AMOUNT OF ANGST IVE CONSUMED THAT HAS HAD BROKEN SHELLS AS ONE OF ITS MAIN PLOTS AOQJJWNSNX, it was WILDDD having it canon ngl
Overall all the characters, like every single one, felt so fleshed out and real, it was genuinely so refreshing. I love how media now focuses on capturing raw human states instead of the heavily filtered beauty standard that our societies have for so long clung to. I think future generations being able to see that will really heal some of the damage being “chronically online” can cause
April had SUCH GOOD STYLE and I loved her :) because the plot was so heavy I almost expected a lot of the characters to not have an arc at all, so I was real surprised when splinter and April realized what they did was hurting ppl. The writers were REAL good at keep the plot semi-un-crowded despite how much was going on
Again, THE HUMOR WAS SO SO PRESENT DAY AKAJWJENNX
I loved Raph LIKE ALWAYS and how they made him an angry mf w/o making it against his brothers, and just making it as just how he is, I thought it was so nice to have an iteration where he keeps his spark without making it harmful to those he cares abt (his outfit at the end was so very fire it was my fav)
Mikey was so so sweet, I love whenever he’s both a goofy goober but also one of the most empathetic ones, the hope and kindness in his eyes <33
DONNIE WAS SO RADDDD, the VA did SUCH a good job, he has my fav voice and overall he was so cool in character too, freaking out abt the attack on titan doodle was so me and I love seeing a representation of what non-toxic fandom looks like that wasn’t seen as a problem or as meant to be looked down on, bro just loves k-pop and anime!!!
Leo was AMAZINFGGGT, they kept his leader persona and his want to take responsibility and decency without making him an ass !!! And for someone who grew up with 2012 Leo that’s something I was REALLY at awe at
It’s also the first turtle x human ship i don’t hate, they didn’t make Leo be CREEPY ASF LIKE W 2012 DONNIE, but he was still a hormonal teenager having a real crush and they were still friends
I also loved lizard dude
Superfly character was so rad too, the way he spoke and carried himself was really interesting to look at and I thought it was so cool, I love villains that have actual stories, AND BABY HIM WAS SO CUTEEEEE, wish we got more sibling content on him and his crew tho, but that’s very me nitpicking
Splinter cracking his back remind me of “BUMBUMBUM BUM BUM BUM!”
I love when tmnt doesn’t do orientalism :))) it’s very hard to avoid in iterations cause of the very foundation of tmnt, but I take it as a major W whenever we get a decent story(USUALLY AMAZING STORIES) that doesn’t rely on “oooohhhh mystery ninja stuff ooooooo” to make a compelling “aesthetic”
I also loved how Baxter stockman looked, and the turtle tots, the animation was OUT OF THIS WORLDDD, I rlly love how, as artists, we accept more diverse styles rather than just sticking to realism being the standard, because it allows for stuff like this to happen!!! And the scribbles added so much to the world ownqnnsndndjxjx I’ll rewatch it over and over again just for the art style
And also when Leo call himself leon IT MADE ME SO HAPPY BC LIKE LEO IN RISE LIKES LEON TOO IT FELT LIKE A WINK WINK SKSNSNWNMSND not sure if it was tho but it was me giggling and kicking my feet
The plot itself was so good too in the way that it applies to more than mutants, the seeking of acceptance is something really really relatable in so many contexts: neurodivergence, queerness, immigration, and so so so much more????? It’s one of my fav things of most tmnt iterations, its themes carry on to other contexts, not just to the specific story being told. This is what leads it to being so attractive to so many audiences
The music was very atsv and I thought it was so rad, it’s always nice to watch a movie that has that kinda soundtrack, especially in urban settings it’s a lot more fitting than an orchestra (sometimes, or at least I think)
By the time me movie was over with the BADASS SHREDDER APPEARANCE I lost control of my body and was just happy stimming violently and my friends just kinda 🧍♂️ at me, and they got the same rant u just read but even more messy, if that’s possible
I’m proud to have mutant mayhem as an official tmnt iteration, and I’m proud of the work that’s been done, and I hope to in the future maybe somehow contribute to a version too!!
I didn’t revise this, and it’s very messy, and I doubt I’ll go back and fix it, but it’s just beginning thoughts :D if you actually read this far thank you and I love you
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silly lottle guys :)))
I love this scene so much.
BUT LIKE. RAPH’S ENTRANCE‼️‼️‼️⁉️⁉️⁉️
I LOVE OT SO MUCH PLS
MY BRAIN CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH HAPPY CHEMICALS OMG
RAPH AND DONNIE JUST LOOKIN AT THE CAMERA LIKE GET READY TO GET FUCKED UP
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
FRUITY ASS BOYS.
LOVE THESE TURTLES. THEYRE SO GREEN.
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I’ve seen people’s take on the ages of the MM turtles (Leo’s the oldest, Mikey’s the oldest, Raph and Mikey are twins, etc) and here’s MY TAKE:
They’re quadruplets
Look I don’t know about you guys but for once in my time in the fandom I’ve truly felt they’re the same age (or relatively on the maturity level). It could be the teenager/pre-teen VAs, but I don’t get the same ‘they’re different ages’ energy from the MM boys.
Like although Leo’s the anxious one I don’t get the feeling he’s the most anxious because he’s the oldest and the leader and blah blah blah. He’s just a teen full of anxiety.
And Mikey doesn’t feel like the youngest to me (because the scene he had with talking about the watermelon being like his head) but not like the oldest either (because he’s equally fooling around with Raph and Donnie). He’s isn’t some young goofball baby of the family but not a cool oldest sibling either.
And same thing with Raph and Donnie. Donnie for more obvious reasons mostly because the VA I’m gonna be honest but just his general demeanor. He feels like a teenager who happens to be smart, not someone who’s smart but happens to be a teenager.
And Raph doesn’t give me ‘edgy wishes to be leader roughy guy’ he’s just a jock teen who wants to do sports. He doesn’t give off the same ‘second oldest’ energy all the other Raphs (minus Rise Raph) have.
TL;DR: It could just be the VAs and the fact we only got a few scenes in the trailer, but I don’t feel like the MM boys have like ‘youngest to oldest’ energies like most TMMT incarnations do. When I compare them side-by-side they all just feel like quadruplets with different personalities.
#look this could just honestly be me fed up with the typical ‘Leo’s the oldest then Raph Donnie and Mikey’ lineup#but I do feel like they’re all the same age/maturity relatively speaking#look I CAN accept the idea that they’re different ages/ranges of maturity#but ONLY if Raph and Donnie are considered twins#like yeah I can see Mikey and Raph being twins but I’m sorry the whole brawn & brain dynamic#plus the fact Donnie was just recording Raph about to throw a shuriken at Mikey without interveneing#they just give me bigger twin vibes#and if not I feel like Leo and Mikey being twins would actually be an interesting dynamic as well#so yeah that’s my take on this#don’t take this as actual analysis or anything i just wanted to say this#ANYWAYS IM EXCITED FOR THE MOVIE ARE YOU GUYS?!#WOOO!#being honest when I saw the trailer and I saw the whole ‘ooze’ scene I was like#this is it. they’re quadruplets. we’ve finally reached it. peak sibling.#tmnt mutant mayhem#tmnt#tmnt headcanons#mm leo#mm mikey#mm donnie#mm raph#I love them and I would die AND kill for them#also side note love it how one trailer afterwards and we all decided to adopt them no questions asked
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Ya know, I’ve been thinking a lot lately about the expedited aging factor from mutation and wondering how they might use it more in Mutant Mayhem/Tales of the TMNT…
Idk if many people caught it because it actually took me so many watches before I started thinking about the aging timelines of the turtles and the other mutants despite being mutated at the same time and age(ish), but it catches my attention every time I watch the movie
I started wondering why Superfly and his siblings were all already adults while the turtles are still teenagers. Plus, Splinter regales that he was in his early 20’s when he was a pre-mutated rat. And yet when we see him mutated 15 later older he seems to already be more in his 60’s or 70’s with his white hairs and massive balding and less teeth, not like someone who’s actually only in their mid to late 40’s.
And it finally hit me. “Because I was older, I became older rat man. You guys was babies, so you stayed baby turtle creatures. If you think about that, it couldn’t make more sense!”
For the longest time this line kind of struck me as strange because it seemed Splinter was simply explaining that he stayed older than them in his mutation, and that they stayed babies of course. Which like, that’s obvious. Why have a line about it? It finally hit me that Splinter said he became an older rat, not in relation to the boys, but to his age pre-mutation. At first when he mutated he still looked pretty young, and in the Eye Know montage we see him develop his huge curly fro, then become the bald, whiskery white-haired rat who needs glasses by the time the turtles are done training. The mutation aged him up at a faster rate somehow and the line clarifies that, but that it had no effect on the turtles.
Which means it also affected the other mutants that same way, because they’re strangely closer to their own age group more in the 30’s or 40’s maybe.
Not to mention, there are varying levels of strength too. I mean Superfly is the toughest mutant around and dude was on that level since he was a baby. Rocksteady couldn’t even take him on and it was literally a rhino against a super buff fly lol. Maybe there’s something to be said about the fact that he’s the oldest too/the first one mutated. And strangely, when the blue “de-mutantizing” goes into his bloodstream he’s turned back into a regular fly looking more like how he did as his baby self 🤔
Maybe the way everyone was exposed to the ooze had varying effects on each of them. Superfly and his siblings were experimented on and created much more intentionally, seen floating in their canisters of ooze in the beginning scene. The turtles were exposed slightly more indirectly, and then Splinter even further removed with how little ooze he was exposed to. It does seem that between all the mutants there’s varying in age; Superfly as a baby was very astute and calculated, while the turtles were still hardly aware of much going on around them when the vial of ooze had splattered all over them. But it’s also harder to tell the exact ages of babies.
This whole aging element is something completely new introduced in this version of turtles, and honestly you have to question what led the writers/creators to make such an interesting change. I’m so excited and curious to see them explore this factor in the future and why it works the way it did with Splinter, the older mutants, and not the turtles. I think they could do some really interesting stuff with that change.
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Some of the aspects of MM was similar to older franchises, not things like IDW or Rise. Splinter being a rat that mutated (rather than a human) is one of them. This is the case in 1984 Mirage comics, 1987 cartoon, 1990s movies, and the 2003 cartoon. The Shredder's design has the same colour scheme as 1987 with purple and dark grey. The turtle's belts with their initials on the buckle are referencing the 1987 design. Overall, there are a lot of elements referring back to the oldest versions.
The concept of being able to suck mutagen out of the turtles goes back to the 1984 Mirage comics: in Issues 24-26 a tapeworm attaches to Raph and starts to drink his blood. As it drains the mutagen therein, it mutates into a humanoid called Bloodsucker and Raph un-mutates back to a regular turtle. For the entire story arc in these issues, Raph is a tiny regular turtle with barely any of his identity left behind.
Similarly, the scientists in Mutant Mayhem 2023 made a retro-mutagen which un-mutated Superfly back into a regular fly at the end. I believe 2012 was the introduction of the concept of retro-mutagen, but I may be wrong since many of the timelines intersect.
Anyways, I am betting my hypothetical money and crossing my fingers that one of the turtles are going to be un-mutated for a period of time as a part of the plot in the 2nd movie. One reason I think that is because they showed the un-mutated Superfly. I do not think Superfly is going to become the main villain, that role is hinted with the foreshadowing of the Shredder. I think they showed Superfly to draw attention to the fact that he survived and became a perfectly normal fly. With the importance of the retro-mutagen emphasized, it is likely to be brought up again in the 2nd movie. Someone is going to get un-mutated, and it is going to be someone important.
If the small family dynamic continues in the 2nd movie, I am betting that it will be either Raphael or Splinter. Splinter, being their dad, is their source of safety. It provides the opportunity for character development if the kids have to fight the Shredder alone because Splinter is a normal rat. If Raph was the one to mutate, it could be a reference, or because he and Leo are the most "generic" of the TMNT. But because Leo seems to be more of a main character than the others, and the hinting of romantic development, it would be disappointing if he was indisposed for the rest of the 2nd movie.
If they capitalize off the big family dynamic with the presence of Superfly's relatives who joined their family, then it is likely that these guys will get picked off one by one -- including Splinter-- and the "crisis" in the hero's journey would likely the turtles left completely alone with everyone else un-mutated, and/or the brothers are separated from each other. Then their solve the problem and get back together and fight the villain, etc etc.
This was just a really long way of saying I like the 1984 comics and I am hoping to get a reference. It is probably not going to happen, but then it could be one more thing to add to my really long slideshow about the development of the TMNT franchise.
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I know this a leosagi blog but your ask box wasn’t open on your other blog so I am asking here if that’s fine. I looked through your blogs so I don’t think you said but what’s your favorite iteration of raph?
I am sorry I left this sitting in my inbox for so long!
I haven't seen all versions of TMNT that are out there by far, but in general, I prefer versions where Raph is kind and funny, or grows to be kind and funny. His bond with his brothers is the most important to me (as, tbh, with all of the turtles).
Also, I tend to prefer versions that have been out a long time, mostly because when I was younger I had a lot more time to rewatch and reconsider the same media over and over again, and interact with fandom and analysis, whereas these days I just don't have as much time, so I suppose my view is somewhat more reductive of newer iterations of the TMNT in general?
On the other hand, I have rewatched parts of 2k3 pretty much once a year for like 17 years... so I have Thoughts about those boys.
Anyway, out of the versions I have seen and remember, this is my tier list from favorite to least favorite:
2k3 (the all time champion)
Rise (a surprisingly interesting and different version)
2k7 movie (Nightstalker! a childhood fave)
Mutant Mayhem (wish he wasn't so overtly mean)
Batman vs TMNT (I don't remember him much from that movie tbh)
Bayverse (never again)
I have not watched very much of the 87 show (maybe six episodes total, and the Turtles Forever movie), but I think 87 Raph is hilarious and very sweet, so he would be somewhere around Rise for me.
Overall, I prefer Batman vs TMNT to Mutant Mayhem, but MM Raph had a bit more growth, which I liked.
I dislike pretty much everything I remember about the first two Bayverse turtle films though.
I also watched the first season of 2k12 when it came out, but it wasn't really for me, so I didn't include that Raph here because I don't remember him much. I liked how sweet he was with his pet turtle, though. <3
Some reasons that 2k3 is my top tier:
clear progression/growth from S1 to S4 in which Raph works out his anger issues; in later seasons, he is basically all snark and no bite with his brothers and I love to see it
his family grow alongside him and later on, when he needs to blow off steam for half an hour, they let him go without comment and respect his space
I love the special little bond he has with Mikey <3
not to mention the special little bond he has with Casey <3 talk about soulmates 🏍️
I wanted to propose a drinking game where you take a shot every time Raph pushes one of his brothers out of harm's way in a fight or risky scenario, but I abandoned the idea because I like not having alcohol poisoning lol (I think just in Return of Savanti pt 1, which is one of the most recent we rewatched, he does it three or four times???)
not afraid to speak his mind, but also not afraid to change his mind if he's wrong
he's so cute with kids! I headcanon that he and Tyler are still in touch in future and Raph has a special kind of pride in Tyler's progress. ("did you know Tyler got an A on the test? did you know Tyler learned judo? did you know Tyler was accepted into NYU?")
also, the entire episode with Mrs Morris is just <3
cries when emotional (relatable)
has no luck with bugs 🐞
where did he get that accent? don't worry about it!
Gremlin Laugh (tm)
Anyway, that's me! What's your favourite iteration of the boy?
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I rewatched MM TMNT and I noticed this one dude w a casey-like haircut??? maybe it’s his iteration???
Also the credits for the extras are hilarious lmfao
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Ok so here’s a few thoughts after watching the Mutant Mayhem trailer
keep in mind, I haven’t been analyzing too long but I’m just super excited and wanted to share my thoughts.
if you haven’t watched the trailer, it’s right here
youtube
Okay so, first thing I want to talk about is the scene with Splinter.
I really love his voice actor, he sounds like an actual loving and worried dad instead of just a sensei, and I am loving the glasses rep that we have!
Not really any eggs i that I noticed from the scene, just wanted to say how I like the touch of “it’s 2023 Mikey” (I love these boys sm)
(A screenshot I took from the scene to check out the background for little Easter eggs)
Next Scene! The brother bedtime (that’s what I’m calling it cause I’m not creative on the spot)
The brothers have a ton of stuff on their walls and Donnie has so many things on his bed, these are definitely teenagers lmao. I just have to say that I really love the art style I’m so excited for this movie!!!!!
When asked what he would do if they were accepted, Leo says “I dunno, get a girlfriend?” And Mikey says “can you imagine that!” To which Donnie answers “not likely”.
I know it’s probably just a few snippets of their scene put together and that might not be exactly how the scene goes, or it could be just brother teasing, but I’m also a little hopeful that this is a hint that they’ve kept up the tradition of Leo being queercoded and he might be in denial. (Again, it’s probably not, but i think it’s be neat)
(Some screenshots of their room for further analysis)
Next thing! The villain mutants-
I don’t have a lot to say here because I haven’t watched most of the iterations and can’t point out too many familiar faces, but I do recognize repo-Mantis from Rise!
There he is ⬆️
Again, I don’t have much to say except the art style is just so AGAAVSGDBFHFHFHHDHDSHEHDHDHJDJDJDJFJFJFJJFJFJFBF
I love it.
Next!
April
I love her so much, the voice actor sounds amazing and I love her outfit ahshffffhffhfjjdjsjsjwjejdjhf
Took a screenshot of her board for further analysis
She seems to be a teenager who wants to be a reporter so when she finds the turtles she wants to interview them so that maybe she can get into the mindset of the other mutant forces (Superfly/ Baxter Stockman)
I’m thinking what happened is maybe they caught her off guard and she freaked out but then they fixed the misunderstanding and now she’s teamed up with them and wants their help (well duh, that’s part of the trailer),
OOH! They might have run inter her outside (or inside) of whatever grocery store they went to (the errands Leo mentioned as he held up grocery bags)
Grocery bags
I have a few more shots of their interactions
Absolutely in love with the designs and I think she looks so badass but also like a super sweet big sister.
it seems like there won’t be any Casey Jones appearances, much to my disappointment but I’m still very excited nonetheless. Maybe at the very end there’ll be a small glimpse of Casey for a sequel, because he usually does join in sequels or later seasons (save for 2k3) and I’m just so excited for this movie!!!
I had to add this shot because just look at the brother interaction!! That is some adorable bonding and I am so excited to see these little booger beans in the theater!!!!!
I’m gonna make them into clay figures.
Okay, that’s my non-expert analysis and predictions on the Mutant Mayhem trailer!
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