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knightotoc · 5 months

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Just finished IWTV book, so now I can say the differences between the book, movie, and show. The movie is quite accurate to the book, while the show is more original. I love them all quite a lot, but I think the show is my favorite since it's the most romantic. Long post with spoilers below the cut.

book:

The depth of Louis' interiority, especially his thoughts about religion, can only be found in the book. I am also ex-Catholic so this is high-key my shit. Especially knowing Anne Rice went back and forth later in life. I can relate. Louis wants to talk about his feelings with other vampires, but Lestat and Claudia aren't interested, which is the main reason Louis is attracted to Armand. Where is the Brideshead Revisited crossover?? Louis get in a bisexual love triangle with the Flytes for me🙏

I learned in the Matt Baume video on Anne Rice that she wrote IWTV while grieving her daughter, who died of leukemia just before her sixth birthday. This feeling of grief, reflected so clearly in Claudia, is the most moving and unique aspect of the book, far more than anything between the adult characters.

One reason this feeling is watered-down in both adaptations is that in the book, Claudia is only 5/6, the age of Anne's real daughter. In the movie she is 10 and in the show 14. Of course it would be impossible to find a 6 year old actress who could act with the maturity of an 80-year-old woman. But the character is even more pitiful and bizarre as a little child than as one nearing puberty.

In the book, Lestat is shown to have survived the murder attempt pretty early on, and he keeps jump-scaring Louis and Claudia on their adventures. I prefer the movie's version where they hold off on this reveal. Though of course I always love to see him, lol

In the book, I got the impression that Lestat and Louis are both bi, but Lestat prefers men and Louis prefers women. Still, their motivations aren't driven by sexuality in a straightforward way. For example, Lestat's ideal prey is a young man, because he loves to destroy their potential. Louis feels something like love for a few women characters, because he feels empathy for their misfortunes.

The adaptations soften/change Louis' status as a slave-owner; in the movie, he frees his slaves, and in the book he just flees. As much as Louis is a soft-hearted quasi-feminist, defined by his guilt and regret, he is still racist and close-minded in most ways. This seems realistic to me.

I did think it was interesting and cool that the enslaved people can tell Louis and Lestat aren't human, while the other plantation owners and even Lestat's dad have no idea. But we don't get their perspective, just Louis' racist assumptions.

Yeah in the book Lestat has a dad! It is rather confusing since Lestat explains nothing, but it creates some great melodrama. I guess I have to read the next one and hope for a backstory reveal.

Fun spooky detour into Eastern Europe! I hope the show goes there in season 2.

Louis and Armand's discussions are really cool. I especially loved Louis' monologues after Claudia's death. There wasn't room for these discussions in the movie, but I feel like it'll be a main focus in season 2 of the show.

movie:

Like I said, the movie is impressively accurate, and a beautiful work of art on its own. The best innovation is holding off on the Lestat reveal until almost the very end. This makes it look like their murder attempt really did a number on him, and it took decades and decades of rat-eating to even drag himself out of the swamp. I like that.

The movie also has a more exciting and ridiculous ending, in which Lestat attacks the reporter in his car and drives away to Guns N' Roses. The book ends with the reporter hurrying off to find Lestat himself. It's funnier and more awesome if Lestat is the one driving the plot and the car. Pleased to meet you :D

"How avant-garde." Best line in the movie, and it's not from the book!

Since the movie cut out most of the minor characters, there isn't as much evidence for Louis' bisexuality. Louis seems more like, gay but closeted. And Lestat seems more like, gay but misogynist, so he'll prey on women just for sport lol.

I'm a Fight Club guy so I love that this is, like, a reverse companion movie (this time, Brad Pitt is the pushover in a dangerous gay duo)

show:

This is the only version that is clearly gay. But this dynamic is the same: Louis wants to talk about things, and Lestat does not. In this case, the focus of these discussions is not vampirism or religion but their relationship. Louis points out that he is gay and Lestat is bi. Perhaps it's just because I saw this version first, but this is my favorite version of their sexualities. The show simply spends more time with this dynamic, and how it affects everything, including their interracial relationship and openness in society.

In the book, Lestat is a talented but soulless musician. He can play anything, but without heart. In the show, music is Lestat's one genuine connection to humanity (even if this connection just leads him to kill musicians who don't impress him). I believe later books go more into Lestat as a musician, so I'll have more thoughts on this later.

Since the reporter is cynical, old, and dying, this creates a much more compelling conversation within the framing device. He holds Louis to task with a forcefulness that rivals Lestat. It is a clever way of modernizing the story, since Daniel references their last interview in the 70s (when the book was published), and you are meant to wonder which version is more truthful.

Since Claudia is 14, she can pass as an adult, and she is able to go on her own rather disastrous adventure. It is exciting, terrifying, and sad, and a welcome addition for this character, though it is much different than the book's helpless, heartless Claudia.

The Catholicism in the show is flashier, but not as interesting as the book. For example, in the book, Louis is haunted not just by Paul's death, but Louis' failure to meet Paul's faith-driven monetary demands. In the show, Paul's ideas seem like more of an annoyance. Maybe there will be more religious doubt in season 2, but I don't really expect it.

In the book, it seems like Louis and Claudia throw Lestat in the swamp since it's faster and more thorough than fire. In the show, the oven they use is a major plot point, and Louis can't bear to put Lestat's body in it because he still loves him. Instead they throw Lestat in the trash, which is one of my favorite tropes (see: Maul in The Clone Wars, Soldier 1998). This is just one of the many ways the show complicates and deepens Louis and Lestat's bond.

I feel like the show is more believable and has more deepness in general, since it's a smart retrospective on an old franchise and a response to decades of vampire fun in pop culture. For example, in the show Louis has volunteer humans to feast upon, and it's very "safe, sane, and consensual," versus the universally predatory relationships in the book and movie. Because we all know now that if vampires were real, and they were hot and rich, they could get all the blood they want without hurting anyone. An ethical vampire like Louis isn't impossible anymore. Compared to other billionaires, he's a pretty decent guy.

So, I'd say the book has the most profound perspective on grief, the movie has better structure, and the show has the most complex romance.

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ecoamerica · 2 months

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ummagumma1981 · 13 days

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Interview with the vampire season 2 ep 1 and brief book Armand/Daniel meta.

Minor spoilers:

I am absolutely hyper fixated on Daniel and Armand’s interactions. Every expression Armand makes, I’m just waiting for something some semblance of Devils Minion.

And I think I’m starting to see it.

(Also I realized I like the pacing of traditional TV versus binge watching. Gives me time to sit with it.)

Book stuff:

Daniel saved Armand. Armand’s journey with Marius, children of darkness, even his relationship with Lestat and Louis, he was always waiting and passively searching.

When Daniel came around… it was fucked up. He was fucked up. But Daniel kept pace with him and Armand gave him Night Island.

I feel like Daniel let Armand realize he could love. I don’t think he could have taken in Sybille and Benji if it wasn’t for Daniel.

Then there was Marius doing ‘vampire’ love toxic shit but it lead to Armand again a Coven leader that had a place with Lestat in his leadership counsel.

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zombie-bait · 2 years

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Minor spoilers for ep 3 and the books :

It makes so much sense that in the tv show version of the 70s interview Louis would be kinda unhinged and bitter and straight up lie about some of his and Lestat’s time together. A big part of the vampire chronicles is definitely how quickly by book 2 it becomes unclear which narrator is genuinely reliable (Louis or Lestat). But beyond that, tv show Louis is literally like a century younger than book Louis. I don’t know exactly how the timeline will work out or what writing changes they might make but considering ep 3 is around 1917 (ww1), Claudia stays with them until she’s like 36 (I think Bailey said that in an interview, my numbers might be wrong) so we’d go to around 1940 and Louis might hang out with Armand for a few years (possibly a decade) meaning that all of this would still be VERY fresh in Louis’ mind by the time the 70s hit. Like at that point he’s still within the range of a normal human life. Of course this would all still hit him so personally. By then he’d probably be at the peak of his “oh god this is all just a curse huh” era so of course Daniel asking him for the dark gift would make him 50 shades of pissed off.

anyway I’m just so excited to see literally everything.

#iwtv #interview with the vampire #vampire chronicles #louis du pointe du lac #lestat de lioncourt #iwtv 2022 #iwtv spoilers #daniel molloy #amc iwtv #the vampire lestat

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purplebowties · 11 months

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Hey, guys! Considering what's happening on Twitter, I'll likely spend more time here to interact with fandoms. Specifically, I'm currently involved in the AMC Interview With The Vampire fandom.

I'm a Lestat stan and Loustat shipper. I'm 31 and autistic. I'm also white. I don't enjoy discourse at all. I don't take part in it unless I see people getting mistreated or straight-out character bashing. So... if you follow me, please keep in mind I'll discuss Lestat, Louis, Armand, Loustat, Armand/Louis, and Armand/Lestat in whatever manner I feel like discussing these topics. I like deep analysis and I never justify myself for enjoying fictional characters and fictional relationships, regardless of their level of toxicity. I'm a Vampire Chronicles reader, and that will definitely have an impact on my thoughts on the show and on the way I engage with it. To clarify, I ADORE the show and I think the creative and artistic choices made during the first season, including the infamous episode 5, are challenging, interesting, and worth discussing. So, if you think the adaptation is horrible, you might not want to engage with me.

Also, I discuss spoilers. I tag them, obviously, but this is NOT a spoiler-free account. Spoilers are vital for me, as having an idea of what's going to happen to characters I especially love in advance helps with my anxiety. I'm incredibly grateful to people who are economically, mentally, and physically able to go to Prague and share the experience with those who, for various reasons, can't afford to go there.

I don't have issues engaging with young fandom members, but my blog is probably not exactly safe for minors.

I think this is all! Give me a follow if this is the type of fandom engagement you’d like to pursue!

Cris

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tossacointoyourhotmess · 2 years

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Some people are so pessimistic saying Lou won't be able to forgive Lestat which makes me wonder... how does it go in the books? How does he forgive him?

VERY MINOR BOOK SPOILERS BUT UNDER CUT FOR ANYONE WHO DOESN'T WANT ANY AT ALL

An important thing to keep in mind is that their relationship is deeply complex within the books. The books cover nearly 200 years, give or take, of their relationship.

And another thing to consider is that it is different in the show. Book Louis doesn't need to forgive Book Lestat for the extreme physical violence because it just doesn't happen. Show Louis would have to be much more forgiving than Book Louis so it's hard to figure out how Louis forgives him in the show by basing it on the books. (A note here, I'm struggling to want Show Louis to forgive, and if he ever does, it should take literal decades).

But in the books, their relationship goes through several ups and downs. The first big down is the breakdown of the family relationship. And something to keep in mind is that by the time the breakdown is happening in the show, they've been together 20 years total. In the books, they've been together for 70 years by the time it comes crashing down, with Claudia with them for 65 of those years.

It takes roughly 120 years before they truly interact with each other again properly after that. Yes, there are moments where they see each other but the true proper reunion doesn't occur until 1985 in the books, and the family breakdown was in the mid 1860s. Between those two times, Louis meets and starts living with Armand (not in the show yet), but then begins to yearn for Lestat, leaves Armand, and tries to find him. When he can't, he writes Interview with the Vampire as a way to draw Lestat out; he purposefully exaggerated some events in order to force Lestat to emerge from his self imposed hiding and seek him out. The plan works and Lestat writes The Vampire Lestat and starts a rock band cause of course he does 🤣 Louis finds the now very obvious Lestat and renews their relationship. The forgiveness there comes from there being very little to have to forgive (in the books, the breakdown is due to Claudia's extreme frustration of being a 65 year old woman in a 5 year olds body and her violent reaction to that, rather than any direct action of Lestat). In the books, Claudia is responsible for the breakdown of the family, not Lestat, so Louis doesn't have to forgive Lestat for that. In the show, it's absolutely on Lestat, so it's difficult to gauge how Louis will forgive him based on the books.

Back to the books though...The Queen of the Damned happens and it messes with Lestats head (there's a lot to unpack with that book, it's easier read than explained and no, the movie of the same name bares zero resemblance to the book) and he eventually tries to fly into the sun but realises he's too powerful to be be killed. So Lestat has a bit of an existential crisis. By this point he's searching for answers and leaves Louis to find them. Body Thief happens, Louis refuses to help Lestat cause he thinks he's been an idiot, also Louis wails on Lestat's dog a bit so Lestat burns Louis' house down (Louis is not inside at the time), and at the end of the book Louis is like "you burned my house down, where do I live now?" And decides to live with Lestat.

The rest of the series happens and it's really more stuff like that; Lestat will get restless and need more answers and seek them out, or Louis will need a break from Lestat. Louis lives with Armand every time Lestat leaves, but every time Lestat reappears, he leaves Armand for him.

Ultimately it's a case of they love each other more than anything in the world. And they're vampires. They're not bound by mortal time. They will spend decades together and then need to take a break from each other before ultimately reuniting and spending more decades together. Both have other lovers in between, but that bothers neither of them because they know that their hearts belong to each other, and they always end up going home to each other.

So how does Louis forgive Lestat in the books? There's infinitely less to forgive, and there's nearly two centuries of love and longing between them. And they share a loss that no one else understands, but if you haven't read the books I'll say no more cause spoilers. The shift in timelines has made the time thing difficult in the show cause there's less years to work with. And the end of episode 5 makes a big change to their relationship from what we see in the books.

TLDR; Their relationship in the show is very different from the one in the books cause of the creative choices made with the show but it ultimately comes down to loving each other and being able to take literal centuries to cool off after arguments. Not sure how to apply it to the show though. Show Louis is going to have be infinitely more forgiving than Book Louis ever had to be if they're going to have their living-in-a-castle-dancing-at-a-ball-happy-ending (actual ending of the final book, truly).

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kneelbeforeclefairy · 6 years

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Things that are good about Blood Communion

(some minor spoilers ahead)

1. Lestat found himself a nosy busybody Victorian housekeeper. Mary Poppins the vampire is the greatest thing since Vampire Scientists and let's face it, lestat needs a nanny. Barbara gives me life. She is literally the best part about this book and she actually does very little but just the image of a stern black dressed Victorian midwestern vampire going around with clipboard in hand determined to have Order in this vampire court and whip them into a Respectable Household by any means neccessary is fucking adorable and Barbara needs all the fanfics.

2. Armand Called Lestat The Fuck Out On His Bullshit. Armand is the last person who hasn't fallen into the trap of lestat idolizing and he is doing amazing, sweetie! We also got him being comforted by his honorary fledges.

3. Lestat said the phrase "why must Marius say such ominous things?" Which is basically a summery of most of the series

4. You can incapacitate a vampire by exorcist-ing their heads. Thats... gross but cool.

5. Louis and Lestat waltzed. And Louis was like how? Follow? Because dancing backwards is hard. But of course lestat made Louis follow. Because of course. But then they danced side by side.

6. Gabrielle wore a dress! And called herself Queen Mother.

7. Nicholas got mentioned

And that's it. This book was pretty bad and read like a Missing Scene fanfic of realms of atlantis and she could have combined them into one book and made it about the formation of the court. I also freaking hate Taking This Shit Seriously Prince Lestat and miss Brat Prince Lestat

#blood communion spoilers #blood communion #the vampire chronicles #anne rice #lestat de lioncourt

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