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philgbtqochs · 10 months
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The M*A*S*H Time Loop
This was pretty much just a stream of consciousness writing. I haven't looked at it much since I wrote it a couple of days ago but I wanted to post it anyway.
The sitcom M*A*S*H ran from 1972 to 1983 and captured households around America. The series follows M*A*S*H (Mobile Army Surgical Hospital) unit 4077 through the Korean War. Knowledgable readers might have noticed that the Korean War lasted 3 years from June 1950 to July 1953 while the M*A*S*H series ran for 11 years from September 1972 to February 1983. This significant timeline difference created an interesting effect on M*A*S*H that led to many fans discussing the ‘M*A*S*H time loop theory.’ As the name would imply, this fan theory posits that the events of M*A*S*H do not take place during the Korean War as we know it, but instead that the show follows the 4077th as they are stuck in an endless time loop and are unable to escape the war. 
Clearly, the timeline of M*A*S*H is a bit difficult to line up with the events of the actual Korean War due to the 8-year difference. Characters such as BJ Hunnicutt and Radar O’Riley were on the sitcom for 8 years but canonically it is difficult to say if they were meant to have spent the same amount of time in Korea. While the episodes were aired weekly, it is impossible to say if most of the episodes were meant to take place a week apart. There are several episodes for which we know this is not the case, for example, the season 9 episode ‘A War for All Seasons’  begins with the 4077th ringing in the new year and follows several key events throughout 1951 and ends on New Year’s Day 1952. This seems to imply that the previous 8 seasons all take place in 1950. It could also imply that subsequent episodes all take place in 1952 or later, though many assume that some episodes show events that were not seen in ‘A War for All Seasons.’ On the opposite end of the spectrum, several episodes take place over a matter of hours. The season 8 episode ‘Life Time’ happens essentially in real time as Hawkeye has only 20 minutes to complete an arterial graft on a wounded soldier. These and other episodes make creating a sensible timeline for the M*A*S*H series an incredibly complicated process. Trapper John leaves in the first episode of season 4, does this mean that he was only in Korea for 6 months? As mentioned earlier, Radar and BJ were on M*A*S*H for the same number of years, but Radar leaves before ‘A War for All Seasons,’ does this mean that Radar was enlisted for a year or less while BJ was present for 2 years? Does it matter how long any of these characters were engaged in the Korean War? The time loop theory certainly says no. 
The nature of all sitcom television lends itself very well to the concept of a time loop. The show almost always resets itself at the end of every episode and it begins the next episode in essentially the same place. The order of the episodes often doesn’t matter. Everything is always happening, nothing happens, it doesn’t matter. In M*A*S*H specifically, one of the core themes of the show is the cyclical nature of war. It intentionally pokes fun at the repetition, the monotony with lines like ‘the future’s been canceled by the war department’ and ‘Father, what do you think of purgatory so far?’ as well as with aspects such as the omnipresent PA voice. Hawkeye Pierce becomes the main focus of the show and the audience's lens in many ways and as such is one of the easiest introductions to this concept. Hawkeye complains about being stuck nearly every episode and often phrases it as though he is not just stuck as a surgeon in a war zone, but as if his whole life is stuck, as if his past and future are all contained within the war. Another character giving credence to this theory is Radar O’Riley. Radar earned his nickname due to his uncanny ability to sense incoming wounded before anyone else and to predict what his commanding officers will ask for before they open their mouths. While this is certainly a fun gag for the show, many think it shows that Radar is aware, consciously or unconsciously, of the time loop. Radar is aware of when the choppers will arrive and when Henry needs files because it has all happened before and will happen again. Many fans also point out that this could be the reason for Radar’s reaction to Henry being sent home. It is more than just realizing that he will be left in Korea while the man he has come to see as a father figure goes home to his family. On some level, Radar remembers that Henry will not make it home; he knows he can not stop it. Of course one of the biggest pieces of evidence against the idea of a time loop is the fact that it does end. Everyone goes home in the end, however, this does not entirely disprove the theory. Many pieces of media that focus on the concept of time loops end with our protagonists escaping. But they can not escape entirely. Though all of our characters leave Korea by the end of the series, those who are still alive have not left completely. They will be stuck remembering this time forever. 
While the original intention of M*A*S*H certainly was not to tell a story about a group of army doctors, nurses, and enlisted men trapped in a time loop, that is in many ways the story we got. It is the best showcase of the cycle, the monotonous horror of war in modern media. The only changes come with tragedy, death, or abandonment. It is a time loop in the only ways that matter.
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blessyou-hawkeye · 2 years
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tenebrous - by georgia rebecca
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wouldnt it make more sense for radar to be stuck in the timeloop?
like it would explain the knowing things before they happen thing. and how utterly distraught he looked when henry left. he KNOWS and he CANT STOP IT so he has to WAIT FOR THE LOOP TO START AGAIN-
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pyrozketches · 2 years
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Mash timeloop people, how do characters deaths/leaving work in the theory?
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radioprune · 1 year
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do i have to do this all over again? didn’t i do it right the first time?
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taahko · 3 months
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maeve and i are watching mash like the creators intended it to be watched (binged on a streaming platform with a deep understanding that it is a dark scifi story about exploring ones sexuality in a time loop)
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dapper-nahrwhale · 18 days
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Mash doesn't intentionally take place in an 11 year malleable time loop, but that's the only explanation for all the continuity errors. And the only ones even slightly aware of the time loop are Hawkeye and radar, but neither realize the other knows about the time loops. Radar is pretty comfortable in the time loops, he knows what to expect to a certain degree, what people will say, not always what they'll do. He gets out of it eventually. But the being stuck in time drives Hawkeye mad, the war literally never is ending. It never ends it just keeps restarting. It all finally ends when the war ends. But the war can never end.
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mummelthecryptid · 2 years
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will i ever stop collecting timeloop mash screenshots? no, no i wont
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bluestockingbaby · 20 days
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stupidredsuspenders · 2 years
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It’s so funny how there are like two or three time loop posts going around this site that are about mash like
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kafkaguy · 1 year
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i think abed from community would be a mash timeloop truther because he says "hawkeye kept his good humour for all 11 years of the Korean war" and at first it's like haha funny joke about how he gets information from tv shows and mash ran for 11 years but then you're like. Wait 😐
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ninetimesbluedemo · 1 year
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Long title: Do I Have To Do This All Over Again MASH amv when.
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majorbaby · 2 years
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11th hour halloween episode 
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Bj constantly ripping, sewing, reripping, and resewing his socks--though it may be minor--is another indication of the cyclical nature of mash send tweet
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commonghost · 1 year
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i hope i am not just a blog to you but an incredibly incorrect source of information on what M*A*S*H is about
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