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nostalgia-tblr · 1 year

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re: my seemingly fringe "I don't think we're meant to think Odin was a dreadful cunt" take, when was Thor 1 actually made? Like... 2010/2011? Because I think Odin is (presumably based on comics canon) meant to be "a bit distant but overall good as a parent" but 2010ish is well after the recent (historically recent, by which I mean since maybe the 1980s) shift in our culture's ideas about fatherhood and what make "a good dad" as well as similarly radical shifts in how we approach disciplining children. MCU!Odin is therefore odd because he's a couple of generations out if he's meant to convince the audience that he's A Good Dad or even an acceptable one. Even the people making the film can't have (all) thought he was any good so with this in mind I'm more open to the idea that Odin is meant to be fairly shit. (But not entirely, and certainly not to the point of him being evil - he's doing his best and arguably the issue isn't him but the culture they've all been born into.)

IDK how old the writer was but there could be an intentional generation-gap thing going on there? An "everyone thinks this is acceptable and even good parenting, but it isn't and everyone involved is getting messed up by it." You don't have to go that far back historically before failing to show regular affection to your kids wouldn't be seen as a significant flaw in a father (whereas it absolutely would be in a mother - v interesting that as the status of women in our society has increased our idea of a good dad has shifted significantly towards an ideal that would previously have been considered "maternal" and thus "unmanly." Oh hey, looks like patriarchy is bad for men too!)

I still think a lot of fanon and fanfic overstates it (which is fine until we're at the point of inventing obviously abusive behaviour and then seemingly forgetting that we made that up), and that Odin is at least meant to be 'doing his best' but yeah Them Thor Films must surely be aware that his best is nowhere near Actually Good, yeah? I mean unless they were written by a man who lives in the 1950s, which they probably weren't. (There is absolutely some generational variation in how far the social change has taken hold but you'd have to look for a long time before you'd find a man of any age who'd say "I really wish my father had been more reserved and had spent less quality time with me" rather than wistfully expressing the opposite of that.)

#mcu tag i guess #that said as recently discussed frigga's characterisation (such as it is) is also quite out-of-date and thus a bit weird #every single thing we know about her comes back to her being a mother to More Important Characters #and nobody seems to have considered this a flaw in the content that they made #anyway i got to this point by realising that there's a now conspicuous lack of childcare professionals in 90s Star Trek so well done me #(most childcare falls to Wife and if Wife is not available then Man may do some in an emergency. but if neither Wife nor Man is available #the alternative is “a friend who isn't working that day” rather than the excellent daycare facilities that don't exist on Deep Space Nine)#generation gap stuff can be fascinating - like how many Boomers will insist that their own parents weren't fucked up by WW2 in any way #“oh but my dad wasn't at all affected by his experiences during the war - i know this because he never talked about any of it”#whereas to my generation that silence on what exactly happened in those years is conspicuous and an obvious sign of trauma #and that sort of thing #thor movies

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bitimdrake · 3 years

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Rounding up my old analysis posts for reference. I read comics chronologically. I made a google doc with my reading order.

General tags for:

all my dc posts

comic reference

canon vs fanon

all dc meta (mine & other's)

timeline specific

⭐ fic recs

Timelines, Reading Orders & Comic Recs:

Recommendations for comics to buy

Post-Crisis Batfamily timeline

✨ Post-Crisis Batkid Canon Ages/Age Differences ✨

Post-Crisis Dick Grayson timeline

Comic recs for Dick Grayson

Post-Crisis, post-resurrection Jason reading order/timeline

Post-Crisis Stephanie Brown timeline & reading order

Infinite Crisis breakdown

First pass at a timeline of New 52 Batfamily backstory and ages

(Teen) Titans Reading Order & Guide

Young Justice Reading Order

General Bat Things

Fanon vs canon

What do the Bats call each other?

Dead Robins Club

Who made the Bat-naming scheme?

Batkids calling (or not calling) Bruce dad

Alfred is flawed

Other relatives of the batfam

The Killing Joke is bad but Oracle’s origin isn’t

Which bats can cook?

Wealth =/= Fame

[batkid-specific meta, bruce is abusive, and non-bat meta below]

Cass, Dick, Tim, Jason...

Gifted kid Cassandra Cain

Was Dick welcoming to Cass and Steph?

That time Dick killed the Joker & Bruce resuscitated him

Design of the Nightwing suit

Dick would save villain’s lives

Dick & Tim are similar

Introvert Dick / Slight extrovert Tim

Dick with Jason -> Dick with Tim

Tim's relationships with Damian, Jason, and Cass (ft comic recs)

How do Tim & Bruce go from War Games to adoption?

bonus: Tim & Bruce never talk about their issues

Jack Drake

Tim's canonical childhood

bonus: Tim didn't take pictures of Batman and Robin

Tim Drake, the relatable one

Is Tim a serial cheater? (i.e. actually, he's a terrible boyfriend in other ways)

What are Tim’s insecurities?

Tim not meaning to be a vigilante forever

Did Tim rescue Bruce from time single-handedly? (no, others helped)

Tim and school

When did Babs learn Tim’s identity?

Steph and Babs aren’t Bruce’s kids

The moral high ground of Under the Hood

Does Jason hurt kids?

The Lazarus Pit’s influence on Jason

Should Jason have a autopsy scar? (no)

Let Jason be contradictory

New 52 Jason is boring okay

Bruce is a bad parent guys

Bruce is an abusive parent

and expanding on examples of taking it out of context

and following up on why i say “realistic”

Bruce being abusive in grief

Different abuse for different kids

And more on Jason and Cass

And Bruce’s treatment of Stephanie

Bruce’s looping character arc

Bruce before and after Dick left

Making Jason’s death about himself

Non-Bat miscellany

Listen to my unpopular but Correct opinions about Clark and Kon (and maybe listen to them again)

How Cyborg became a planet

What color is the Lazarus Pit?

Side effects of the Lazarus Pit

Superhero identities overall

ideas and AUs and theorizing

What if Tim died like Jason?

What if Dick did die in Infinite Crisis?

and then what if Tim became Batman (and it was bad)

What if Tim died in Red Robin #12

#*#*dc #i want some easy clickin' for myself too #sorting this out now i can't believe i don't have any analysis posts on steph or dami worthy of linking #eta I can't believe this has gotten so long i feel compelled to do a read more

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cool-island-songs · 2 years

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twenny for the ship bingo!!

Sorry this took so long! Thank you for the opportunity to sell ppl on my version of Twenny lol

I’m stubborn Creek trash, but I’m cool w/ Twenny and always at least check it out. Seems there are more (and darker) Twenny fics now bc of the drug connection between their families. I tend to prefer angsty Twenny fics where Tweek is still crazy about Craig but something’s preventing them from being together. I like fwb and platonic Twenny best, but I think it’s a rly interesting dynamic overall and am interested to see how it’s developed when romantic on one or both sides.

Kenny’s often used in fics as a vehicle to make people jealous (e.g., Stan and Craig in endgame Style and Creek fics, respectively). It seems a bit unfair to Kenny, but I read all of these nonetheless (and he often doesn’t seem to mind). I don’t entirely agree w/ fanon consensus about “slut” Kenny. That he’ll do anything for money is more of a crack at his poverty - it’s not like he wanted to blow Howard Stern. He obviously rly wants that bj from Tammy, but they’re already dating when he finds out she’s done it before. He doesn’t even take an active role there, as it only goes down after the Jonas bros main plot concludes and she proposes it. I see him as willing to accept advances, but not as forward as he’s typically portrayed in fanon.

Fanon Kenny can get pretty rapey, and tbh I hate when he’s reduced to smoking cigs and liking sex in place of an actual personality. Dad-bodded eccentric philanthropist fishing uncle Kenny is so much cooler than all that (he gets bitches bc he’s cool, he isn’t cool bc he gets bitches, kno what i mean?). Given his canonical loyalty, I don’t see him as a cheater. He just wants to be loved and feel pleasure bc he didn’t have much of anything growing up. His Mysterion persona is the closest we get to him being a “bad boy”, which is the role he’s often slotted into in fanon, but he’s much more of a protective big brother and cynical but passionate pursuer of justice than some morally ambiguous anti-hero. Kenny’s good and goofy and sweet, and that can come across clearly in Twenny fics. He also likes a sweet and forward blonde, historically (Kelly, Tammy - her highlights are blond, it counts).

Tweek's more sheltered than Kenny and also more thoroughly emotionally abused and exploited. Kenny’s neglected all around, and his parents are generally not doing great, not able to provide - but he has his ways of coping and escaping. By contrast, Tweek’s family is upper middle class, and his parents could try to be loving and supportive but seem incapable of it. Tweek’s parents also mess w/ his perception of reality considerably while Kenny’s v aware of the reality of his situation. There’s some overlap in their situations, so I find Kenny seeing Tweek as a kind of little brother or alternate version of himself compelling. There’s something to be said for the way blond boys w/ awful home lives and messy hair are periodically slotted into the same role in the series, only to recede into the background. I love them all.

Here are some fics w/ Twenny dynamics I’ve loved:

Delmareve’s unfinished multi-chapter “your princess is in another castle” (main ships Bunny and Creek, but interesting platonic Twenny w/ brief scene where Kenny comes onto Tweek and Tweek shuts down. rly well-developed, unique Tweek w/ trust issues for a reason. Not entirely gay, top Tweek, and he’s not made any less anxious for it which I like)

Flynncantation’s unfinished multi-chapter Down the Rabbit Hole (Creek-centric, Kenny just has a crush on Tweek, but I love the dynamic)

metrophobic’s unfinished multi-chapter Tweeker Nation and related oneshot I Won’t Burn Long (interesting illicit fwb Twenny situation where Kenny has some romantic feelings for Tweek, but resents his bratty immaturity and seems on the verge of being done w/ him. Lotta interesting Kenny perspective on Creek + Tweek). also a few Kinktober drabbles w/ Twenny, this one being my favorite for the sheer SP-like absurdity. I like that metrophobic’s Tweek often has hang-ups about bottoming. Wouldn’t you if your whole town decided you were a bottom at age 10???

All the scarlettshazam Twenny tho it’s been deleted (found it v sex positive, love that 4 Kenny)

towards (likely still in process) multi-chapter Because headstones are not big enough. (Tweek remembers Kenny’s deaths and struggles heavily w/ addiction. rly interesting + dark. also throwing out mb my fave creek breakup angst fic despite it having nothing to do w/ Twenny: oneshot all good things)

Tweekpuncher’s unfinished multi-chapter Slowly, Through a Vector (potentially real upsetting past noncon, but also quite funny at times, such as in platonic Cryde interactions and grp chat w/ Bebe. i recommend it bc the last chapter from Kenny’s POV gave me a diff perspective on what he might see in Tweek and was v powerful). Also love the oneshot bro dont be gay bro just gimme a little kiss on the lips PBJellie Twenny: sad sexy oneshot Black Sheep, SoT oneshot You Best Not Miss, Major Boobage-style oneshot Fantasies Come True (these Twenny dynamics generally revolve around or at least allude to the drug connection) Eerily’s oneshot Bookmarks. Just read it, this one got my ass real good

#sp twenny #tweek tweak #kenny mccormick #south park #ask meme #ask #ship bingo #discourse

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