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You talked about Crassus not getting his wealth in "traditional" manner, and it made me think of Plutarch taking about how Sulla's wealth was also viewed with suspicion because his father actually left him nothing so becoming wealthy was a subversion of his inheritance. I'm just ... having thoughts.
IT'S SO FUN there's such a specific kind of wound that digs into both of them happening there, Sulla's wealth is a mark of suspicion the way that Crassus' wealth is a permanent stain
it's not to the same degree, but there is something almost thematic about Crassus being brought up in a modest household and Sulla having lived in cheap lodgings (or to continue the almost: the way that there is a specific kind of familial absence in the early narratives of their respective biographies). the ways that they both gained wealth and power taking unconventional turns (whether the suspicion is warranted or not), even by the rapidly unraveling standards of the time.
it's not a perfect comparison!! but in a way it's poetic to me?? recognition in a reflection that doesn't line up so instead it's unbearable and grating. Sulla was the only Roman who could hold Crassus to the floor, and Crassus got up anyway. they both crawled up the Roman political ladder, ruthless in achieving their goals. its the mortifying ordeal of being known enough and not vibing with it.
A Year of One’s Own: Dating the Praetorship of Marcus Crassus, Martin Stone
like, Sulla knew Crassus well enough to know how to hurt him, and boy that sure feels like something.
Plutarch, Crassus, trans. Warner.
ANYWAY, I'm getting off topic. oh my god I have gotten so far off the original topic of this ask.
to wrap it up: something something Sulla keeping the company of actors and such, and this text comparing Crassus to an actor about to enter the stage of politics once more, Sulla's role in freezing Crassus out of the traditional avenues of political power.
A Life in Pieces, Plutarch, Crassus 12.1-16-8, James T Chlup
Many Things Are Weird About The Main Cast Of The Last Generations Of The Roman Republic. lots of subversions and transgressions happening all over the place.
heughghh to finish this off, I've been thinking about this a lot while I write other things, but uhhhh my thoughts are Not Particularly Coherent. I've been reading lately on the Rizal-Bonifacio relationship and what it means to conflict with someone who is partially responsible for making you what you are—
Decimation: Myth, Discipline, and Death in the Roman Republic, Michael J. Taylor
—and it's bleeding into all the other filing cabinets in my mind.
#maybe there's something else in the way Sulla zeroes in on Pompey#who inherited a crime#whose biography has talk of Fortune#like Sulla#Pompey and Crassus raised their respective armies that they led under Sulla in similar ways#it is. a triangle.#horrible terrible triangle#i also think about how Sulla tried to stamp out Caesar and it didn't work so Caesar like. ran Sulla's playbook even better#that's like stepping into someone else's body and saying 'nice try. my turn.'#so the sulla triangle continues anyway???? something like that.#ANYWAY. i am so sorry for this wall of words. I hope uhhhh that it makes sense. i have thoughts about Sulla's wealth#they are Not coherent. unfortunately. thankfully I write comics not academic papers#ask tag
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armored core 6 spoilers
this trailer has so much mileage because you watch it in hindsight and realize Handler Walter was 100% screaming out each of their numbers as they went down.
The hounds weren't just Walter's other killers, they were your siblings you never got to know.
#armored core 6#armored core 6 spoilers#armored core#handler walter#621#617 moments before their final attack: tell 621... ...whoever they are... we love them...#you didn't get a rise out of Sulla's taunts but Walter sure did#walter naming his slave mercenaries hounds so he doesn't get attached to them#like some kind of idiot
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did someone say sulla and his harem of guys.
(from left to right: pompey, metellus pius, crassus, sulla, lucullus)
#my art#posting this in the middle of the night when no one is online cause i just finished it but. i will reblog it again later whatever#i did something different with my sulla this time based him more on the coin portrait#i think my favorite face in this is metellus i just like his expression#since we dont know what he looked like this is mostly based on my vague recollection of the metellus image in masters of rome cause#i like it. you also get blonde pompey because of masters of rome I KNOWW controversial take but he has blonde man vibes to me so.#crassus is based on the old man maybe-crassus statue i tried to like. de-age it and based the face off that. crassus was by FAR the hardest#to like. decide on what he should look like but im alright with this crassus#lucullus is just kind of vibes based every lucullus Take ive seen has him with sort of a long thin face and i like that so. i kinda took#that into the rest of him & made him tall and thin .#oh Also . ive always interpreted sullas 'red and white complexion' as rosacea so thats the take. this drawing sadly not really my sexiest#sulla though. ill draw him again sometime. and he Will be sexier next time if i can help it.
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watching the new bbc documentary on caesar and well. it is not very good
#to be fair i’m only watching episode 2. maybe episode 1 was good#but the moth said it didn’t even mention marius and sulla so like. explode#beeps
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i started reading the first man in rome and hello? marius and sulla eyefucking at the forum like HELLO????
LITERALLY!! series of all time.. colleen writing the gayest/most homophobic books ever.... even at their first meeting i
^ straightest seven-times consul ever being very normal about describing a fellow roman
#WHOOO is that beautiful androgynous redhaired man WHAT is this strange feeling..... i need to become consul IMMEDIATELY#havent read first man in rome in a while but I HOPE YOU ENJOY IT ANON!!!!#nto very related but this passage makes me a little bit insane. the fact that itsthe first dscription we get of sulla in the series and he'#described as having hair like the rising sun... now Where have i heard that before. mr magnus.#asks#mor
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cassius punching faustus sulla as a kid... cassius disliking gnaeus pompeius jr... brutus probably not vibing with him much either on account of "Your Dad Murdered Mine".... brutus being cassius and gnaeus's brother in law and faustus being gnaeus's....
gnaeus and faustus walk into the forum together and brutus and cassius immediately go UGHH
#brother in law duo on brother in law duo violence#reading the last part of pompey's life and fighting the Everything Is Bad emotions by trying to pinpoint the origin of cassius's dislike#part of me wants it to be bc gnaeus said something wildly out of pocket about brutus's father but i've already written that with sisenna#spam tag#end of human pomp#faustus sulla#WAIT MILO MARRIED FAUSTA CORNELIA?#WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE TREES#oh this is good this is really good. the 50bc years must have been amazing.#pompey: you're going to marry into the claudian family / gnaeus [having flashbacks of his dad locking himself at home]: are you sure#then his uncle in law gets shanked by his brother in law's OWN brother in law. gnaeus and faustus sitting together like#i just need some good news.#[camera pans to the next bench where brutus is showing cassius the de dictatura pompei]#cassius: that's a bit excessive don't you think / gnaeus: WATCHU GOT THERE BRUTUS / cassius: nevermind this is going to be hilarious
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hello! I love your blog and I was wondering if you had any articles/books/biographies about the marius-sulla era? I’ve been looking to get into the key figures and events!
Hello, and thank you! <3 Marius and Sulla's time is fun and horrifying. These guys make Caesar look well-adjusted!
If biography is your jam, grab a copy of Plutarch's Parallel Lives, and make sure it includes his chapters on Marius, Sulla, Lucullus, Sertorius, T. Gracchus and C. Gracchus. Everybody references Plutarch, and his biases often make for entertaining stories.
For a more balanced take, I've only read The Storm Before the Storm by Mike Duncan so far. It's a fun read and a good introduction, but has a few inaccuracies (see my full review here). Some other books on my to-read list are:
The Collapse of Rome: Marius, Sulla and the First Civil War, by Gareth C. Sampson
Gaius Marius: A Political Biography, by Richard John Evans
Gaius Marius: The Rise and Fall of Rome's Savior, by Marc Hyden
Lucullus, by Arthur Keaveney
Sulla: A Dictator Reconsidered, by Lynda Telford
Sulla: The Last Republican, by Arthur Keaveney
You might also enjoy stuff on Sertorius (the "last Marian" and a seriously underrated general), Cinna (ally of Marius), the Gracchi brothers (who predate this era a bit but massively influenced it), and Lucullus and Metellus Pius (two of Sulla's closest allies and legates, also underrated).
Anyone else with suggestions (or opinions on the above books), feel free to add on!
#pen & sword has been publishing a lot of mainstream-friendly roman history lately!#i liked their book on scipio africanus but preferred goldsworthy's take on antony over theirs#and their agrippa book was rather dry but very well-sourced#so i haven't made up my mind how i feel about them as a publisher yet#book rec#gaius marius#lucius cornelius sulla#lucius licinius lucullus#just roman asks
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sulla had five wives too...???? girl.
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Moreover, Caesar was not satisfied to be overlooked at first by Sulla, who was busy with a multitude of proscriptions, but he came before the people as candidate for the priesthood, although he was not yet much more than a stripling. To this candidacy Sulla secretly opposed himself, and took measures to make Caesar fail in it, and when he was deliberating about putting him to death and some said there was no reason for killing a mere boy like him
Plutarch, Caesar
sulla's fight with caesar is extremely funny, but also very Something considering how much of sulla you see reflected in caesar's later actions. breaking news: grown man picks fight with teenager, more at 11.
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#roman republic tag#drawing tag#komiks tag#ehgugh. okay.#hello late republic it has been. like. a week since you've appeared on my blog.#i had to dig through my other WIP folder which is just goofy comics i draw to amuse myself. which is what this is#the third guy is lucullus bc im still testing out designs. someday i will land on one i like.#my main WIP folder was just making me sad so we'll put that to the side for now and focus on making. coffee#i need to be awake before i attempt to try and read this one book and man i do not feel awake in the slightest#lucius cornelius sulla felix#lucius licinius lucullus#gnaeus pompeius magnus#marcus licinius crassus
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i just thought of this... were either of your guys involved with sulla or marius?
yes!! well... kind of. martinus i'm not really sure about, i havent figured out what he was doing in that era yet.... lfc however was a supporter of sulla, although he wasn't really 'involved' in anything he did in a major way. he may have bought some of the proscribed's property at auction or something but that would be the extent of his involvement
#lfc isn't a member of sulla's like... clique of friends but he might know some od them?#maybe he knows lucullus or something. idfk. ill have to think about it more#ficposting#asks
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then why did they Not cut caesar's head off
#a) Complete The Triumviral Set b) but caesar IS the head? hashtag body politic hashtag catilina's ghost hovering in the background#c) cicero decapitation ritual substitution d) i am aware this is silly and severed heads are a whole Thing in ancient rome#like you're not special for getting decapitated#e) sulla's ghost also hovering in the background f) like ok too bloody to cut the head off and then hack the limbs#howEVER. they did not even cut the head off. like significantly that is a thing they did not do#i literally have to go to bed right now before i have a pharsalia spiral tm until 2am :///////#julius caesar#hand theory#i guess#beeps
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and he's mad about it too!
#read ing#look im losing my mind a little bit about vampire sulla PLEASE tell me its intentional like. i can. i will probably say more things about i#later when i can gather my thoughts properly but. yeah. colleeeeeen what are you doingggggg.#this book fucks severely so far its awful and incredible and i read like 200 pages on the bus today#not to be a little freak but the first time sulla was described tbh i just. because of#'hair like the rising sun' hmm. hmmmmm. pompey...........#masters of rome#sulla#mor
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anyway. I'm not apologizing for it, but man I wish I could talk about something else besides my comics. unfortunately, the only thing holding me together is a very worn out piece of tape and the fact that the sequel to a game I love is coming out this week. it will continue to happen. maybe
#its only so fun like at some point i have to actually just buckle up and fuckin draw it#you know what i mean. 'oh look this panel is going to be so COOL the way sulla tells them all to BEHAVE like they're all dogs'#like okay sure but you cannot telepathically imprint the right shade of blue into someone's mind through a text post. just draw it#anyway im not joking abt holding it together for AW2 like i am Not vibing with the concept of existing in any form right now#but i WILL continue to maintain a physical presence because i NEED to see someone playthrough that game. i HAVE to. i have been#waiting OVER A DECADE
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Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus actually not that good at cocksucking. He arrives late and steals other men's victories.
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That's it, I'm trapping Marius and Sulla in a "get-along toga" until they learn to sort out their problems without beheading people.
#like the world's angriest burrito#these two make caesar and pompey look like responsible well-adjusted citizens in comparison#gaius marius#just roman memes#jlrrt speaks#lucius cornelius sulla
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crassus discord kitten meowed so well that sulla got jealous and decided not to fuck him
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