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achildsfirstsorrow · 7 days

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In a foul mood currently so I’m unmotivated. Erik, Raoul, and Christine doodles.

#Worst art to date probably 🫤 but I’m gonna keep on trucking.. Might draw some ship stuff.#phantom of the opera #poto #the phantom of the opera #erik phantom #opera ghost #gaston leroux #leroux erik #leroux christine #leroux Raoul #raoul de chagny #Christine daae #ACFSart

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stanraouldechagny · 2 years

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#i #im so #when #when he-#THEM!!!!#leroux raoul #raoul de chagny #raoul x christine #raoulstine #phantom of the opera #poto 25th #poto #christine daae

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annachum · 7 months

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Leroux! Raoul De Chagny Aesthetic

#leroux raoul #raoul aesthetic #yes raoul got light chestnut hair with golden tinges in the sun and golden eyes in the poto book #at least that is what i remembered #leroux raoul aesthetic #european aristocracy #warrior

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kyannnite · 18 days

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devil take the hindmost…

aka my unexpected foray into love never dies art…closeups in the read more :-)

#i hate love never dies in the most loving and affectionate way possible but i never expected to be doing art about it for realsies #however. devil take the hindmost does something to a guy and i’ve had it on loop for 3 days now #i just love the idea of a gambling addict raoul being unable to resist one last bet and it costing him Everything #i love raoul i swear guys. but this song is SOOO. battle of the egos #anyways this one is for the no nose skeleton man erik fans. tried to give him more of a leroux erik vibe here #also if yall look at raoul’s cards i tried to dip my toes into cleromancy… tee hee #phantom of the opera #love never dies #phantom of the opera art #raoul de chagny #erik phantom of the opera #erik poto #poto #lnd #devil take the hindmost #my art tag

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julesriseling · 8 months

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i reimagined leroux's the phantom of the opera as a mobile visual novel for my illustration thesis 🙏🏼

#poto #phantom of the opera #gaston leroux #christine daaé #erik the phantom #raoul de chagny #art #illustration #digital art #fanart #artists on tumblr #jules makes art

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ablatheringblatherskite · 2 months

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Raoul not just as a foil to Erik, but also a painful reminder of what Erik COULD have been.

Erik as someone who had a heart too big for a world so cruel. Raoul as a lover who loves so much that it hurts him.

Erik hating Raoul not just because he's jealous of him, but also because when he saw him, he saw himself. If things were different, maybe that could've been him. Which makes it hurt even more when Christine chooses Raoul, because it isn't just because she's going with someone else, or someone he hates, but because she's going with someone Erik so desperately wishes to be.

And because of that he can't fully hate him, because Raoul knows how to give Christine the love that Erik yearns to give her but can't. Because he doesn't know how. But Raoul can, because he was loved. Sure, maybe his dad did hate him (something he and Erik might also have in common), couldn't look at him because his mom died giving birth to him, but he had his siblings. And Erik had no one.

Raoul and Erik are foils to each other yet they are also so similar, because they love so hard. Love to the point of destruction. It's just that the world is cruel, and favors some and hates the others. And it's not fair, and never is fair. And I'd like to think that if Raoul had the chance to understand Erik more, like Christine and the Daroga did, then I think he would've felt a sort of kinship with him, too. With the man who has a heart too big for such a cruel world, just like Raoul has a heart too big to ever truly belong.

(thoughts after a lovely painful convo with @dont-do-rice-babes)

#raoul de chagny #erik the phantom #erik destler #phantom of the opera #the phantom of the opera #poto #poto musical #poto leroux #asterrisks

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night-unfurls-its-splendour · 11 months

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You know

I don't have a lot positive to say about the re-staged version of the ALW musical.

But I will admit I do kind of like the fact that Raoul barges into Christine's dressing room as she's undressing.

I like this because, on the surface its very ha ha, so awkward uwu, but it also highlights how very scandalous this very action is.

In 19th century theatre culture (especially in France) there's only one reason a man (the patron of the Opera, who is the main financial backer of the establishment) goes into a singer's dressing room with a bottle of champagne. Whether that is Raoul's intention doesn't matter: he's a man of society, he's the responsible one here, or he should be.

But setting that aside, this really makes me think about how Raoul is never thinking about Christine in a circumspect fashion. He is not thinking about the fact that this is a private area he is entering uninvited--a private area that is private for the very specific reason: at any point, Christine could very well be naked or otherwise in a state of vulnerability and/or undress behind that door. He does not knock, or announce himself. He either is not thinking about this or does not care. Both are bad.

(And yes I am conscious of the fact that Christine is not only undressing, but undressing in front of the mirror; the mirror that Erik is, in all likelihood, hiding behind, even as she does so).

To Raoul, as much as (perhaps even more so than) to Erik, Christine is an object. An object to be, by turns, admired, pitied, placated and protected.

Perhaps I find this so interesting because in the book, Raoul is shown to invade the sanctum samctorum of Christine's dressing room without her knowledge or consent several times.

"When you were pitying him the other night, the night of the masked ball. When you came into your dressing room, didn't you say 'Poor Erik'? Well Christine, there was Poor Raoul who overheard you!"

"That is the second time you have listened at my door, M. de Chagny!"

"I was not at your door! I was in the dressing room! In your boudoir, mademoiselle!"

An interesting contrast to Erik, who, in spite of abducting Christine, holding her against her will etc. always knocks three times on her door before entering her bedroom in the house by the lake, and gives her his word that in that apartment and in her dressing room she is assured of privacy from him.

"How can you believe yourself safer here in the theatre?" Raoul asked. "If you can hear him through the walls, then he can certainly hear us."

"No. He gave me his word that he would not be behind the walls of my dressing room again, and I trust Erik's word. My dressing room and my room in the house by the lake are mine exclusively, and are sacred to him.

Also very interesting to me is that on my fourth read of various English translations of the book [1911, 1911 restored, 1990 Lowell Bair, and 1996 Leonard Wolf] there is never any indication that I've noticed that Christine's mirror is two-way glass. It does not slide to the side as depicted in movies/ the musical. The mirror is built into the wall itself and turns with the wall on a pivot like a revolving door. There is never any mention of him looking at her through the mirror, only listening and speaking to her through her walls.

#phantom of the opera #poto #poto musical #poto book #poto restaged #gaston leroux #the phantom of the opera #erik the phantom #raoul de chagny #christine daaé #christine daae

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prettyinaccurate · 10 months

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remaining obsessed with Raoul

#i like em pathetic #and he cries SO MUCH #gaston leroux #phantom of the opera #rerik #poto 2004 #erik destler #raoul de chagny

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flagbridge · 5 months

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The Raoul (de Chagny) Navy: An Exploration of the Vicomte's Naval Background:

Our beloved Vicomte, Raoul de Chagny, is a young junior officer in the French Navy ("le Royale"), but this hardly gets much exploration. It's a detail that is often glossed over--I anticipate because Naval historians and Phans often do not have much Venn diagram overlap--until now. Let's just say my username is a Naval reference.

Note: the "Raoul Navy" is not my invention--our hilarious and wise "Phantom Dark Web" friends at Leroux Less Traveled (incl. @box5intern) came up with it, and I love it.

I've started digging into book Raoul and his Naval background and turns out we are missing out a whole lot about Raoul's character background if we don't dig into it. So I'm going to tell you what the book tells us and what that means. I'm going to give you the overall pieces up front, and then explain:

Raoul looks very young and feminine (except for his "little" mustache, which he effectively has grown to prove that he can)--and everyone treats him like a baby

Raoul at this point has already completed three years of Naval training including a world tour, so he is fairly experienced and even worldly for his age. He is described in the French as a "cadet", but he would likely be a sub-lieutenant at this point since he has graduated from the Naval Academy.

He's on a six month leave before going on a very dangerous mission to recover remains of a lost Arctic mission--a mission he himself is unlikely to return from.

And everyone still treats him like he's a baby (especially the old dowager widows), even though he has had quite a bit of life at this point--so he has something to prove.

What we know about Raoul and the Navy (Here is the English):

"He was admirably assisted in this work first by his sisters and afterward by an old aunt, the widow of a naval officer, who lived at Brest and gave young Raoul a taste for the sea. The lad entered the Borda training-ship, finished his course with honors and quietly made his trip round the world. Thanks to powerful influence, he had just been appointed a member of the official expedition on board the Requin, which was to be sent to the Arctic Circle in search of the survivors of the D'Artois expedition, of whom nothing had been heard for three years. Meanwhile, he was enjoying a long furlough which would not be over for six months; and already the dowagers of the Faubourg Saint-Germain were pitying the handsome and apparently delicate stripling for the hard work in store for him."

We also learn in another paragraph that the de Chagnys had admiral in the family, so the Naval connection is likely a family business for second sons. Raoul is a second son, so a career as a military officer would have been a distinguished career for him.

Borda: First ship

Brest is the main port of the French Navy and home of the Ecole Navale (or French Naval Academy. In the 20th Century it moved, but Brest is still, along with Toulon, a major naval base)

According to the French: Le jeune homme entra au Borda, en sortit dans les premiers numéros et accomplit tranquillement son tour du monde (Note that the French calls him a "young man", not a lad)

The Borda is traditionally the training ship of the French Navy, and there have been six of them. This would have been a cadet/midshipman cruise for Raoul. He would have been on the ex-Valmy, an 120-gun ship of the line, which became the Borda training ship in 1864.

The Borda is also the ship of the Ecole Navale (French Naval Academy)—this means that Raoul attended the academy.

The Naval Academy is two years in Brest, and then their third year is the World Tour—so that timing also aligns with where we are in the book. Raoul would have begun at the academy at 18, and he is at the start of the book, 21 years old.

After the Borda, which he completed with honors, he did an uneventful world tour.

This would have been his third year, still as a midshipman.

He could have been assigned to any ship for this training cruise—possibly a cruiser (the d'Estang is pictured below in 1884 in Algiers), which did long range missions. Note: Their max speed was about 15 Knots (which is a very respectable speed that some warships still transit).

This world tour cold have been as far east as what is now Vietnam, or through the Suez--but likely near French colonies.

With influence, he is assigned to the Requin expedition.

French: Grâce à de puissants appuis, il venait d'être désigné pour faire partie de l'expédition officielle du Requin, qui avait mission de rechercher dans les glaces du pôle les survivants de l'expédition du d'Artois, dont on n'avait pas de nouvelles depuis trois ans.

The Requin was a real ship in the Mediterranean fleet, but did not go on its first mission until 1885, which means that this is a deliberate or unintentional oversight of either Leroux himself or his narrator. The Requin was a steel hull—and the Artois was actually a 18th century Royal Navy ship so this piece is a complete fabrication. However, Arctic missions at this time were frequent and tended not to go well.

However, Raoul could also be excited about getting to go on a new steel-hulled ship. The Redoutable was already in commission—commissioned in 1876. Most of the rest of the fleet at this point were ironclads.

#naval history #phantom of the opera #raoul de chagny #vicomte de chagny #amwriting #phandom #military history #warships #poto #gaston leroux #the raoul navy #french navy #le royale #raoul navy

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royalavera · 11 months

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Back again with the OG characters

#the phantom of the opera #phantom of the opera #phanart #poto #my art #phantom art #royalavera #poto art #erik x christine #gaston leroux #leroux erik #erik #erik poto #christine daee #raoul de chagny #daroga

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phantomonabudget · 7 days

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We need to talk, Pham. Stop shaming Christine Daaé.

I have seen this behavior consistently for the 30+ years I have been a Phan. What's worse is that I see A LOT of it from grown women. I see posts calling her foolish for leaving Erik. Slut shaming her or calling her a gold digger. Calling her stupid, weak, or unworthy because a "real woman" (presumably the women posting these absurd notions 🙄) would have loved him better and been worthy of his awesome talent and capacity for love. 😳🤮

It's disturbing, disheartening, and disgusting. And it needs to stop.

First off, none of these characters are real, so perhaps let's take things a little less seriously in general. It's a fictional story. I get it: we all love it, and probably love the Phantom's character. That's fine....I've made a 20+ year career dressing as the dude, for crying out loud. 🤣 Maybe we all identify with Erik/The Phantom to some degree. Regardless of the version of the story, if the actors or authors do their job well, we *should* feel pity and compassion for him. But feeling compassion and completely ignoring the character's dangerous and abusive behavior are two very different things. It has the potential for some severe consequences in the real world.

By shaming Christine for leaving Erik at the end, you are potentially telling young people that staying in abusive relationships is the right thing. You make them think that if their significant other is talented, misunderstood, been abused themselves etc, then they should stay and love them into a healthy relationship. That if they just love their abusive SO harder, sacrifice themselves a little more or for a little longer, or keep putting that person's needs above their own, that the relationship will suddenly become this wonderful, euphoric experience. It won't. As a survivor of longtime abusive myself, I can tell you from experience: it doesn't happen that way.

Celebrate healthy relationships and enforcing healthy boundaries. Stop shaming Christine for fighting for and winning her life and saving the man she loves.

And please stop calling this a romance. It's the antithesis of romance.

I am sick of members of this Phandom completely ignoring Erik/The Phantom's behavior to justify their blind adoration. Erik is an abusive and dangerous character, and extremely toxic. He lies to and manipulates Christine using her trauma from her deceased father. He kidnaps her, multiple times. Threatens her and her colleagues. He extorts hundreds of thousands from the business managers. He endangers dozens of people with the chandelier crash, and effectively holds hundreds hostage for months or years at a time with his reign of terror at the Opera.

Then there are the murders. Several of them. Probably been at that for awhile so we can assume it's far more than the two we see in the show. We don't know his actual body count, but we do know he's adept and comfortable taking human life.

And yet, I see some mature phans out here completely ignoring all those things and still shaming Christine for leaving him. Why? Because he's "sexy" (author's note: PLEASE go re-read Leroux. Please). And he's talented. And has so much love to give. And is misunderstood. And society was terrible to him...so it's all fine. 😳🤮 She should have just stayed and loved him like he deserves to be loved. 🙄

Recently I saw a post shaming Christine and the justification was that Raoul was so much worse. He isn't. Is he a perfect character? No, not at all. Does he make mistakes and try to use Christine? In some versions, yes. Does he run around extorting, manipulating, threatening, and killing others? Also no.

Pleasw don't ever use LND!Raoul's character assassination as some kind of justification, because he's still the most sane, normal human being in that show, and Erik is still 1,000 times worse than Raoul in LND. Also, using LND as justification for anything makes for a very weak and uninformed argument.

"Hurt people hurt people." Ever heard that phrase? Abused people sometimes abuse others, especially if they haven't done the work to heal themselves. Their previous abuse does NOT entitle them to abuse others. That is always a deliberate choice and those choices have consequences. The dangerous, disgusting rhetoric I see in the Phantom community basically excuses toxic behavior because Erik was previously abused and nothing is his fault. That is simply not true. Those that abused me were previously abused. Didn't make my abuse hurt any less. And I made the choice to do the work so that the abuse stopped with me. Previous trauma is a reason for the behavior, but it is NEVER, ever an excuse.

And don't let the fact the dude can sing or that he's a snappy dresser blind you to his toxicity.

We can all enjoy the Phantom character's complexity and love him, while still acknowledging his flaws and holding him accountable for his deeply inappropriate choices.

We talk a lot more these days about trauma, toxicity, and self care. And yet, as a community, we still shame the character of Christine Daaé for doing the healthy, correct thing. The ONLY thing. And in doing so, we set a disturbing precedent for our young or vulnerable Phans who now might think that staying in toxic relationships in the real world is okay.

Please do better, Phandom.

#phantom of the opera #poto #christine daae #raoul de chagny #the phantom #erik #gaston leroux #andrew lloyd webber #the phantom of the opera #toxicity #phandom #phantom phans #fandom

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ladypepsfanart · 1 year

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It’s about time I drew some Phantom fanart again, and I still like the composition of this old piece so I figured I’d revisit it five years later! I’m also looking into opening up an InPrint shop and putting this on there, so keep yer eyes peeled!

#ladypepsfanart #lady peps fanart #the phantom of the opera #phantom of the opera #poto #fanart #the phantom #christine daae #vicomte raoul de chagny #erik #gaston leroux

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crystalclocktower · 10 days

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I think its really interesting that at the end of the book Raoul and Christine running away is phrased as if they are escaping from society's judgement, especially from the rumor mill around the De Changy's, whether the rumor that Raoul killed Philippe, or shock that he married someone poor. I feel like too many adaptations compartmentalize the "society is the true villain" to be just about Erik, when it's a running theme with Raoul and Christine too!

#leroux phantom #the phantom of the opera #raoul de chagny

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darklinaforever · 5 months

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So, one thing that annoys me in the adaptations of The Phantom of the Opera is that Raoul, in the book, if I'm not mistaken, also abandons something. Christine abandons the opera, but also Raoul abandons his family so that they can both live their love in peace, because Raoul's family would not have agreed. (I read the book a long time ago so correct me if I'm wrong) but this aspect of Raoul completely disappears in the adaptations ! He can marry Christine without problem. And already I'm not a fan of the character, with this aspect of the adaptations it really gives me the impression that Christine simply becomes a trophy wife who abandons everything she is. Her name, her ambition, the singing, etc., to become Raoul's wife... Which is a horrible prospect. From a symbolic point of view, the phantom gave Christine a voice, but the relationship with Raoul takes away this voice. It's not cool.

#phantom of the opera 25th anniversary #phantom of the opera andrew lloyd webber #andrew lloyd webber #gaston leroux #phantom of the opera #le fantome de l'opera #christine daee #erikstine #erik #erik x christine #christine x erik #erik and christine #christine and erik #raoul de chagny #erik/christine

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thesunsethour · 4 months

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he’s a crybaby he’s a romantic he’s passively suicidal he’s annoying he’s hopelessly in love he’s terrible at regulating his emotions he’s my favourite

#he’s… raoul de chagny #the phantom of the opera #obsessed with how leroux writes him

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ablatheringblatherskite · 1 month

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This is literally Raoul de Chagny okay OKAY???????

DON'T TOUCH HIMMMMMMM

#i am so protective of him okay #he's just a BABY #raoul de chagny #phantom of the opera #the phantom of the opera #poto #poto leroux #poto book #poto musical #asterrisks #favorite asterrisks

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