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LOONA theory - Are yyxy all one person (Olivia)?

So I’ve recently been thinking about this particular theory again after rewatching the video “one”, the special clip that reveals yyxy’s “secret”. It’s very creepy and mysterious in terms of what it means for yyxy, especially as it ends with Olivia seeing the other girls in her reflection in the mirror alongside the text “I an thou, thou art me,” which means “I am you, you are me.”

So who or what exactly are yyxy?

Neanthorpic chromosomes

One of the most notable hints tied to the yyxy unit is the “neanthorpic chromosomes” they apparently possess called the “yyxy” chromosome, which is explicitly stated to be different from normal xx and xy chromosomes.

This means they are a new type of human, with completely different DNA than what we have. After all, we did see an image of a DNA strand on the reversed link of LOONA’s official website (dlrowehtanool.com).

(Original gif by Erica T)

Maybe because Eden is often said to be on the reverse side of the Moebius strip in the LOONAverse, their chromosomes are literally reversed as “yy” and “xy” instead of “xx” and “xy”.

They have also been described as a “being” known as “yyxy”, as if they weren’t a human, but some kind of entity which can still exist as four separate people or identities (Yves, Chuu, Gowon, Olivia.)

Four identities, one girl?

There is quite a bit of evidence shown to us, the viewers, that suggests that yyxy are all one person. Specifically, that Olivia is the “one” and Yves, Chuu, and Gowon are facets of her.

There’s a moment in “Egoist” where we see the three other girls standing in Olivia’s spot, wearing the same clothes as her.

Later in “love4eva”, at the end when the girls are dancing in front of the teacher, after we see the teacher start to applaud the girls, we cut back to see it’s just Olivia, by herself.

And of course, we already know that the girls are each associated with a different emotion (faith, hope, love, and anger) and it’s theorized these could be aspects of Olivia’s personality.

If Yves, Chuu, and Gowon really were parts of Olivia’s personality, or maybe even alternate personalities who existed in Olivia’s head (dissociative identity disorder), then their “forbidden quest to find their identities” could be them trying to become independent from Olivia; they want to be their own people with their own lives.

I don’t personally see this as being the case, though. It could simply be that the yyxy members are often shown as “one” not because they are all the same person literally, but figuratively they are the same.

They share a similar story, walking a similar path; finding self-enlightenment, learning to love themselves, and rejecting Eden to be free. It’s the same when talking about LOONA as a whole. They all have their different stories, but in the end, they are one as a group, united.

However, speaking of Olivia, there is another possibility I’d like to bring up regarding her.

Two Olivias?

In “Egoist”, we get a scene that shows Olivia hugging another version of herself. Obviously, this is showing us her starting to love herself (quite literally in this case) after being hurt from the others abandoning her.

However, there’s a particularly creepy shot shown in the 4K director’s cut where Olivia looks directly at the camera and the screen starts to turn red.

It’s also worth mentioning that one of the teaser images for Olivia had a caption which said “I might trick you.”

My first thought was the phrase “a wolf in sheep’s clothing”; someone who pretends to be nice and innocent, but is actually cruel.

And this got me thinking… What if Olivia does have a split personality?

To put it simply, there could be a nice, peaceful Olivia, and an angry Olivia. The peaceful Olivia is the one who tries to stay faithful to Eden, becoming upset when the other girls start isolating her and eventually abandon her, while the angry Olivia is all of her suppressed negative feelings that violently lash out.

Remember, there was another teaser for Olivia that said “You who was sent by God, destroy all things without hesitation.”

She’s not necessarily evil; there’s no real villain in the LOONAverse. She’s just a part of Olivia, her shadow. Olivia isn’t perfect; she’s flawed and complex, like all people. Anger is a human emotion that everyone feels.

And ultimately, “Egoist” is about Olivia learning how to let go of her past, love herself, and start the path to recovery. She accepts that she’s not perfect, she learns how to control her anger and let go of her grudges, forgive Yves, and join LOONA to complete the group.

Hope you guys enjoyed this, and look forward to my next theory!

[INTERVIEW] LOONA for the 10Star Magazine cover story (May issue) by 10Asia

The concept of the photoshoot is ‘girls in a fairy tale’. We often dream of being the protagonist as we read fairy tales as kids. Is there a particular character you wanted to be, or liked? HeeJin: “I wanted to be Jasmine from Aladdin. Maybe it’s because I learned belly dance as a kid, but Jasmine was so pretty to me. I wanted to try her clothes and her hairstyle.” HyunJin: “Snow White. I could have fun playing with the dwarves and meet a handsome prince too. And experience coming back from death. (Laughs) I like challenging myself on new things, and I wanted to become Snow White and experience lots of extraordinary things.” HaSeul: “Beauty and the Beast for me. But not Belle, I empathize more with the Beast. Watching it as a kid, of course the beautiful Belle was the protagonist, but rewatching it after growing up a little, I could see the Beast’s perspective. I felt sorry for him, and could empathize with the Beast being tender on the inside but pretending to be tough on the outside.” ViVi: “Not a fairy tale, but the Little Mermaid from the Disney film. Ariel is admirable for setting out for love and her dream. I like that feeling of freedom.” Yves: “Little Mermaid for me too. My aunt owned a video rental store and she would show me The Little Mermaid every day. It was so pretty seeing her swim with her fins, red hair waving in the water, and I would copy it all the time. I remember pretending I had fins.” Olivia Hye: “Mulan for me. She’s so awesome. She has a different feel from the other princesses and I like her because she’s brave and gallant and strong.” Yeojin: “Thumbelina. I’m small and so is she so I think it’s a good fit. And the Frog Prince too, even though that wasn’t exactly what I wanted to be. I just have a soft spot because my symbolic animal is the frog. (Laughs)” Read the full translation of the interview under the cut. Full translation by Littel_Johnn (via Reddit).

LOONA has three units and one solo unit. […] Could you boast about the concept of each unit? Yves: “LOONA yyxy feels like a bouncy girl. Fresh and unique. Each member has a symbolic emotion. I’m faith, Chuu is love, Go Won is hope and Olivia Hye is anger. Those emotions come together to form youth. So I want to call LOONA yyxy a shining youth.” HaSeul: “Loona 1/3 is a unit of innocence. HeeJin, HyunJin, HaSeul, and ViVi express the freshness of first love. Our unit song is ‘Love&Live’, and it’s a song that confesses wanting to meet someone after hiding our feelings for a while. I’m sure that whenever you listen to this song, you’ll feel nostalgic and soft.” Kim Lip: “LOONA ODD EYE CIRCLE is a sexy and powerful unit. We had a girl crush concept unlike the innocence of the full group, so we left an intense impression when ODD EYE CIRCLE first appeared. We’re different right from the gaze and atmosphere. (Laughs)” YeoJin: “I’m in a solo unit. Our label actually told me that ‘Yeojin, you are the hidden card of LOONA!’ I’m not sure, but I think they trusted that I will be able to do well on my own. I’m a little insecure because I didn’t train for very long, so I do extra practice on my own without the unnies. But I think I’ve grown for sure compared to when I started, because HeeJin unnie and Choerry unnie helped me a lot.” There are many members, so there must be someone with a unique nickname. Could anyone say that my nickname is the most unique? HeeJin: “Me. The fans call me Dangun because I was the first member to be revealed. With this name they’re saying that I was the one who made LOONA. It’s a really meaningful nickname and I love it, so I always say Dangun Heejin when introducing myself.” Yves: “My nickname is the Soft Jaguar. My solo song had an elegant and chic concept so our label gave me the swan, but fans said I have charisma like a jaguar on the stage but have a soft side off of it, so they gave me this nickname.” Chuu: “I’m a gang-ur-jwee. Not a gang-ah-ji (‘puppy’), you have to roll your tongue like this. Isn’t it cute and unique?” Go Won: “I have one that’s more of a good fit than unique. I’m the ASMR of LOONA. People say my voice has a bright feel, and fans say it’s like a fairy voice, so I think ASMR is a good fit. Like a comfy voice you could fall asleep to. I think it’s addictive.” You recently finished promos for your second promoted track, “Butterfly”. You had good results, getting to first place candidates on music shows, and the music video breaking 20 million views. It must be a special feeling. HyunJin: “It was short so I feel unsatisfied, but also content that we had awesome promotions. The ‘Butterfly’ choreo doesn’t have spots for resting. I’d never practiced so much in my life. I think the good results might have been due to the hard preparations. We’ll show you more growth next time, prepping even harder. And I’ll hope expectantly for first place too.” Chuu: “For this album we practiced all night and into the morning. It would have been easy for members to get on edge, but we understood and cared for each other so it made our teamwork even more solid. There were lots of funny moments too, taking care of each other’s meals and waking each other up. Even apart from the results, I think this promo built a lot of good memories.” JinSoul: “Not only did we get better results than ‘Hi High’, but I’m proud that we were able to really feel our growth. The members practiced so much leading up to the comeback. We grew closer and also our skills grew a lot. There’s also this confidence that we’ll be able to show even more based on the experience from this time.” “Butterfly” got attention for beautiful formations and a dynamic yet gentle performance. Especially the jumping move. Go Won: “I was the one in the jump part. I get scared easily, so when I first climbed on the members I couldn’t even stand and would just tremble. But Olivia Hye and Yves [unnie] told me ‘Don’t worry, we will never drop you’. So we trusted in each other and I got up there to do the choreo.” Olivia Hye: “I could feel Go Won unnie shaking up there. On some days she would go up comfortably, but shake on other days. So I did the performances nervous every day. I got nerves no matter how much I practiced, but now that it’s over it’s all good. (Laughs) I also have good memories from her trying out lots of shoes to find one that doesn’t hurt when stepped on, since we wear boots.” Even in this short interview we can feel LOONA’s charms. What’s the team’s charm, according to the members? HeeJin: “I can confidently say that we have charms in twelve colours for twelve people. Every member has a different charm. Some of us feel next-door, others are sharp. We’re also down-to-earth unlike what you might expect out of the girls. We each debuted with solo songs through the LOONA project, and they all have different concepts and charms. Oh, and LOONA is also tops in terms of handling different concepts. (Laughs)” ViVi: “I think LOONA is most beautiful when all twelve are in the same picture. Each member is different, but in the full group we become pretty and innocent.” Yves: “Mystery. LOONA’s music videos contain our narrative/universe. So that leads fans to predict different theories through them. Even for us, it’s fun to piece things together like, ‘Was this the meaning of what we filmed?’ If the videos were just pretty to look at it might be a little boring, but I think this makes them interesting.” HaSeul: “The pretty and lovely LOONA members are themselves the charm. I’m proud that I’m part of LOONA, and I’m proud of our members. I look at the photos and videos of the members often, and every time they’re so pretty and bright. They tell me I have Dal-bushim (‘LOONA pride’), but even beyond that I think LOONA has a wholesomeness that makes you feel good.” Could you name a reason to fall for you? Chuu: “I have the charm of making you happy. Your happiness index will go up when you look at me. Fans also tell me that looking at my videos or photos makes them feel warm, like in sunlight.” Yves: “You’ll fall for my chameleon-like charms. A lot of people see my calm side, but I can dance hip-hop intensely, or mesmerize you to a sexy song. I’m adorable when doing aegyo and can immerse you in emotions with a ballad. It’s the charm of making you curious and expectant.” Choerry: “I’m probably the only member of LOONA who can handle every single concept. I can span all of innocent and sexy. Fresh like a vitamin, but girl crush charms popping out too. That odd charm is the reason to fall for me.” HeeJin: “I’m sharp on the stage, but like a cute and lovely little sister off the stage. I think that gap is why you might fall for me. I showed off both my vocals and belly dance on MBC’s Masked Singer recently, and many people told me that that’s HeeJin’s reverse charm.” Kim Lip: “You’ll fall for my many talents. I’m good at everything. I have passion and ambition too. So I tried lots of different things. For music I learned piano, violin, guitar and gayageum, and in sports too I tried everything I wanted to. I’m a fast learner too but I think I’m just really curious. And yet I’m shy, so I can’t show it all and get embarrassed instead. Many fans think that’s adorable so that must be a reason to fall for, right?” Olivia Hye: “I’m part of the maknae line, but I’m tall and charismatic. My looks might make me seem chic, but my voice is cute. I’m cool on stage, but have a lot of everyday aegyo. I think that clear difference might be what fans like in me.” ViVi is LOONA’s only foreign member. Because of your cute looks and imperfect Korean, we felt like the members adore you despite you being the oldest. ViVi: “The members help me a lot. HaSeul especially. I don’t know a lot of things when we promote because of my Korean, but each time the members explain in many ways so it’s been fun. They all say that I’m like the maknae. It might be because my personality is to lean on friends and family a lot, but also because my Korean is kind of like a child so that feels like a maknae.” YeoJin is the team’s youngest. Living with eleven unnies might be reassuring but perhaps it’s also hard sometimes? YeoJin: “Having lots of unnies is always good, but especially when we go to the broadcast studios. I don’t feel intimidated because I have so many unnies. (Laughs) But sometimes it is difficult. Everyone has such clear unique traits. I’m the maknae, but some unnies have personalities where you want to care for them. In times like that it’s really ambiguous. They always try to care for me because I’m the youngest, so I feel like that might be hard on them. Maybe that’s a dilemma that every group’s maknae has.” HeeJin’s the only member who’s a solo CF model. There must be both pressure and responsibility. HeeJin: “Definitely a lot of pressure and responsibility in doing individual work. But I’ve been able to do it confidently because the members root for me a lot. I want to be able to do a lot of things along with the members.” Chuu’s biting heart became a big topic online. Lots of celebrities applying it made it an even bigger deal. Chuu: “I did it because I felt so happy while drawing hearts for fans at a fansign. I found out that it was floating around as a GIF later. I’m thankful that they call it the “Chuu heart” and that many celebrity seniors are using it.” Who is LOONA’s role model? Or a direction you want to pursue? HeeJin: “I have artists that I like and look up to, but not a role model. I want to gradually put together a singer named HeeJin rather than follow someone else.” Kim Lip: “I’m similar to Heejin. I don’t have a set role model. There are seniors whose performances I think are cool, and others whose vocals I think are beautiful. There’s lots to learn from each person so I want to pick up their good traits. And I want to collect those traits and convert them into my unique charm.” YeoJin “My role models are Girls’ Generation and BTS. Girls’ Generation sunbaes are probably every girl group’s goal. I always feel a warm and healthy energy from them. BTS sunbaes are just amazing. I want Loona to be an amazing group that can give off healthy energy too.” HyunJin: “I’m interested in acting, so Gong Hyo-jin sunbaenim is my role model. I like her particular aura. I learned acting too when I was a trainee, but right now I’m focusing on LOONA. If I get an opportunity, I want to act in a fresh youthful role, or someone impactful.” What kind of girl group would you like the public to think of Loona as? Olivia Hye: “I hope we can establish a colour to the point that when you hear a song, you recognize it like ‘Oh, this is a LOONA song.” I hope we’ll be a group that you watch and listen to with confidence. We’re working hard to get there.” Chuu: “I hope LOONA will be a group that’s good with performances and good with our faces. I want to be called a group that has both visuals and skills. Because we’ve got such good teamwork. It’s my dream to be called a group that you want to see whenever and every day, a group that you want to be with for a long time.” Go Won: “A team that can attempt diverse concepts. I want to hear that LOONA feels different every time you see us.”

(1/?) ok so hi! i haven't submitted a theory here before but i've just been thinking about sth nonstop and i felt like you would Understand. so i've been rewatching the yyxy solo and unit mvs and i just can't stop thinking about how much more like queer-focused these concepts are than previous loona stuff, like with all the sapphic imagery and the yves is trans theory as well, juxtaposed with like the whole concept of sinning and leaving a cruel "eden"

(2/?) (disclaimer that obviously i don't actually think being queer is a sin since i'm queer myself but i mean like in the eyes of like conservative christianity/mainstream society). like it reminds me of this quote, idr who it's from but it's like "if i could choose to be gay, i would choose it every single time" and i just like. that's so powerful and i get that kind of vibe from these mvs about like. making the CHOICE

(3/?) like there's nothing that really pushes yves to like explore and try to leave eden other than her own curiosity and her just being tired of living the way eden wanted her to, like she was never forced or asked by anyone, she made the choice on her own to be gay and trans, to go walk around with Dangerous Youths in Leather Jackets and go roller skating with a girl

(4/?) and ofc yves does a lot trying to convince others to join her, i don't think it's a coincidence that yeojin and vivi are referenced in yves's mv bc their mvs are the only ones (unless i forgot one) that show a romance with a guy and i feel like she's kind of like trying to "save" them from heterosexuality lmfao. it's also really strong wrt chuu too bc like. we see yves convincing chuu to join her in love4eva but in heart attack, chuu might be doing it because of yves but(5/?) she has to CHOOSE at the end, she presents the apple to yves throughout the whole mv as if asking her to make the choice but in the end she only gets rewarded after taking a bite of the apple herself. it gets more complicated w gowon and olivia's mvs and i'm not sure how choerry fits in w all of this but. honestly i can't stop thinking about this and like how much these mvs give me such a vibe of like queer people creating our own spaces for ourselves and like empowering each other

(6/6) and i love it so much and i'd really like to hear what y'all think about this!!!

oh HECK okay first off i love that you want to hear what i think!!!! idk it just feels really nice LOL. but okie dokie lets talk about ur theory 

So I LOVE that the mv’s and LOONA in general give you that vibe of queer people creating our own spaces/empowerment/etc. I think in terms of making a “choice” I wouldn’t necessarily interpret it as Yves making the choice to be trans and gay but I would see it more as Yves making the choice to embrace and accept her authentic self! (Only bc the idea making a choice to be __ can get iffy sometimes nfjasnfj) 

I do believe that Hyunjin is the other MV that features what could be a heterosexual romance (i kinda have a trans theory but its a really big stretch LOL) 

I feel that Chuu’s is easily seen as sapphic/wlw. With Go Won, it’s similar to Yves’s about self-love etc. I haven’t given too much thought to Olivia’s music video besides it being more about self-love/acceptance etc. I would love to hear what other people interpret! And i’m not sure how choerry fits into any of it either!! 

BUT yes I honestly get a queer vibe from YYXY’s music videos!!!! I think the general vibe from each of them (besides Chuu’s) is embracing and accepting oneself. (I mean self-love is relatable to all but this can be in terms of embracing and accepting their identities!) 

I can’t wait to see YYXY’s repackage (IF IT EVER COMES OUT) to analyze a lot more!!