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layzeal · 2 years

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i said 5 months ago i was gonna share my thoughts on this scene and never did, so it's time to dig this out

what did wei wuxian mean by asking shijie "why would someone like another person" and why i.... don't think he's talking about lan wangji (i know-- i know. just bear with me)

or more accurately: an analysis of chapter 71, wwx's thoughts on love, and how mxtx utilizes parallels between past and present!

(Ch 71 of MDZS web revised edition //// ExR translation)

okay let's get straight to the point that's gonna make y'all want to call me a stupid bitch who can't read: i legitimately do not think wwx was talking about lwj in this scene! here's why:

first and foremost, let's remember what the status of wangxian's relationship was at this point after sunshot ended

first, phoenix mountain: a callback to their teen dynamic. wwx's silly and flirty personality is back, he teases lwj by throwing a peony at him then asking to borrow his ribbon. lwj is frustrated, etc. lwj forcefully kisses wwx then gets angry at himself. wwx finds him and gets worried that something happened to him. they walk together and talk in very friendly manner until the xuanli incident happens. by the end they part on good terms

then, yunmeng teahouse: the first scene of this chapter. wwx is feeling quite upbeat about seeing lwj as they had a nice chat last time they met. he does a lil phoenix mountan callback by throwing a peony at him, then asking him to come upstairs and hang out. lwj does but it.... doesnt end well. he's worried about wwx's worsening temper and fears he's starting to show signs of loss of control, and asks him once again to go to gusu with him. that severely sours wwx's mood, to the point of snapping at lwj when lwj implies that he'll regret it in the future. lwj realizes his mistake and they become polite again, but the atmosphere is significantly strained, and wwx even comments that he was presumptious and shouldn't have invited him over, which lwj dissents. wwx parts with a cordial but distant "thank you", and on... not great terms

what i think really makes the above hurt though is that, when wwx comes back to yunmeng and jc asks who he met. wwx answers this:

worse than jin zixuan.....oof. im so sorry hgj

so, it really is quite tragic. wwx had a nice time with lwj in phoenix mountain, and because of that he wanted to try and wash away their bad blood, ask him to hang out, recall some stories of their youth, maybe mend this relationship that became so strained during the war! what happens instead is that... he gets the harsh reminder of what (in his mind) lwj thinks of his cultivation, thinks he's not in control of it, that it's dangerous and he should be locked up. with that, they're all back to square one :(

the thing is, MDZS is quite known for being non-linear and having a humongous amount of flashbacks, and they're all set and positioned at the time they were for a reason! the thing is, as most read the novel once and then proceed to only revisit scenes separately, naturally forgetting about the grand-picture and the scenes that come before and after, we might misremember how some events play out or the state of the character arcs and relationships, and i believe the popular fanon interpretation that "omggg wwx was asking yanli this bc he likes lwj but can't admit this yet!!!! 🙈" is quite of a great example of this

but!! it's not for any bad reason, after all both the Audio Drama and CQL kinda play up this moment with some beautiful background music. this is, in the end, a romance novel! but let's put a pin on that for a bit and analyze what led to this scene, and why WWX came looking for shijie to ask her this

so as you see, the scene right before was wei wuxian and jiang cheng talking about jin zixuan, with jc asking wwx to not pick fights with him anymore since he's the heir of lanling jin. wwx is baffled because up until that point he and jc were trashtalking buddies when it came to jzx, but there's nothing they can do about it if shijie still likes him

that... makes wwx quite speechless, and he goes searching for her to get an answer. in his mind, jzx is still an awful, undeserving person! so why would shijie like him so much?

why would someone like another person?

of course, he's not as shameless to ask shijie right to her face why she likes someone like jzx, esp since she's already well familiar with his poor opinion of him, so he tries getting an "unbiased" answer by making a vague question, which in turn makes shijie think wwx is in love with someone else

now here's the thing: i feel like fandom tends to flanderize wwx when it comes to his unreliable narration, awareness of his own feelings or lan wangji's. we don't have time to get into that now, but if you've followed me for a while you know my thoughts on this

but here, specifically, i do not think wwx is in "denial about his crush" or "waving off because he doesnt want to get caught". his answer feels genuine, and honestly? really sad once you think about it

"I won't like anyone, at least not too much. Wouldn't it be like putting a rein on my own neck?"

this isn't strange once you consider the types of romantic relationships he grew up observing. other than his own parents', which he's mostly forgotten about, a strong love and attatchment sounds more like tying a rope around your neck. even though wwx is a romantic at heart who flirts easily but had been saving his first kiss for 20 years, he's still never felt this type of love for anyone before, and can't imagine putting himself through it

"So, wait... just because WWX said so you think you should believe it? You're telling me the curtains are just blue? If he's not talking about Lan Wangji, then what's the point of this scene?"

glad you asked!

you see, something that MXTX does quite often with the flashback placement in MDZS is contrast the moments where wangxian's relationship was at its best with moments where it was at its worst. As wwx recall these memories, his pre-conceived notions about lwj get challenged and his actions and words get recontextualized! my favorite example is probably the ending of the flashback of wwx's return, to him waking up in the cloud recesses

no i'll never shut up about this flashback placement. my goddd

so, when looking at the "why would someone like another person" scene, i ask you to not look at it by itself, but as a part of the literary work that mdzs is! because, as the wangxian of the past are stuck in this cordial, but strained relationship, do you remember where the wangxian of the present have currently been left at?

if you ask me, there is something incredibly sweet about leaving these characters at their most tender --- when one is finally beginning to not only understand his own feelings, but to suspect that those feelings are requited, in which he's allowing himself to imagine a calm and happy future with him right as they march inside the lion's den --- and meeting them again when they're younger, and strained, and not fully knowing how to communicate that they care for each other, which in turn only hurts them both.

there is something very sweet about seeing wwx who is slowly realizing that he's in love, testing the waters of that, seeing how much he can take, in what ways he can ask for affection, and then seeing him again as he says "i won't ever like someone, at least not so much. wouldnt it be suffocating? wouldn't it be an impediment? wouldnt it be shackling yourself?" because you, like a cheeky grandma, can look at him and think: you don't know yet, but i've seen you then. you will like someone very much, and it won't be restraining. in fact, you'll never feel more free...

and that is the biggest thing, about revisiting this scene after you're done. because you'll look back this 20-something WWX who genuinely believed loving someone to much is like putting a rein around his own neck... and knowing he'll know a love that not only will not feel like a restrain*, but will be there to catch him whenever something does

*okay, except in bed, but that's only a bonus for wwx

#i kinda miss literary analysis class. this is a love letter to my literature teachers #mdzs is a beautiful literary work and deserves to be treated as such!#anyways uhhh. wangxian is poggers #i feel like sometimes in people's attempts to make wx more tropey and traditionally romantic #it makes them lose what actually makes their romance so special #and the brilliance of the flashback placements in mdzs #i already wrote a lot today so no tag essay lmao. enjoy!#modao #lace speaks #do i put this in the tag? ehhhh #demi wwx

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shsl-lukewarm-fan · 6 years

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More talent ramblings

Danganronpa focuses so much on talent and I love it. I love the debates on talent that it holds. Nagito proclaiming that talent is the only thing that gives you worth in this world. The real-life Chiaki complaining about how talent is a shackle and that those without talent has the most freedom. Aaaahhh, this is great. I see definite connections between what Danganronpa says about talent and how we treat talent in reality, and given this sometimes fierce debate, boy are these connections interesting.

So, you guys how Nagito believes that talent is the only thing that matters? Well, he also believes the same thing about hope, too, that hope is the only thing that matters, and that talents will contribute to hope. That belief is associated with another of his beliefs: that a person is either born with a talent or without a talent, and, therefore, a person either has worth because of their talent or is completely worthless. Are any of these beliefs actually true? Is it true that a person either has talent or does not have a talent?

I feel as if, to a certain extent, we do believe that this is true. Take me and English, for example. I hate half of my high school English classes. I dreaded every single day coming to class for my freshman English class. As for AP English Language during my junior year, I just feel sluggish and don’t wanna be there. And guess what? I remember that I didn’t do so well on my essays in my freshman English class. Same with AP English Language. Also, I find it extremely hard to read some of the books in AP English Language. Like Scarlet Letter. Man, I hated that book. The way that the book is written, it sounds so fucking decrepit that I failed to notice the symbolism behind the bad eyesight of the priest. I also missed a ton of other things in the book and felt really bad when my teacher pointed them out. So, I couldn’t critically analyze Scarlet Letter. The same was true for some of the other books I’ve read in AP English Language. While I sucked at analyzing books in AP English Language, other people suck with math. There are those who just needs to copy down notes as the teacher teaches and do their homework and they would ace their tests. There are some who don’t even do their homework and still ace their tests. And then there are those who do all of the above but get B’s. Or C’s. Simply because they just suck at math compared to those who have the skills to simply copy down the teacher’s notes and still get A’s on their tests.

What does this say about Nagito’s belief that you’re either born with talent or you’re not born with a talent? That seems to be true, right? I mean, some people are just good at certain things but bad at others, so this must be true, right? Well, to a certain degree, yeah. Some people are just incredibly smart and there’s no way for you to get on their level. There’s no way that my literary analysis skills can compare to those students who got academic awards in English. There’s just no way. So Nagito’s belief is somewhat realistic. But still, his belief isn’t entirely correct either.

Nagito, in believing that a person either is born with a talent or not, doesn’t think that some skills inevitably need development. Take my literary and rhetorical analysis skills in my English classes. As I’ve already made clear, I sucked at analyzing the books I’ve read in AP English Language. I probably still suck at analyzing similar books if I ever take another class like that again. Still, my analysis skills developed. Even though I couldn’t analyze Scarlet Letter, 2 years later in college, I read and analyzed Briar Rose by Jane Yolen, a modern retelling of Sleeping Beauty that the author used to discuss the Holocaust. And I ended up writing a 6 page essay that analyzes how Yolen emotionally influences the reader and kept them hooked to the story. Think about it. I went from hating the books I’ve read in AP English Language to writing a fucking 6 page essay that analyzes a book. That’s some development of my rhetorical analysis skills, right there.

So some skills need development. That’s where Nagito is wrong. Not all skills are inherent since a person’s birth. Some skills need to be developed. To be good at analyzing books, even though some people may find that they have an easier time than others at doing so and are, therefore, “good” at English, this does not mean that analyzing literature is a skill that is inherent in a person’s birth. A person can still develop their literary and rhetorical analysis skills. This also applies to math, as well. Some people may find that they have an easier time with math than others. Still, this doesn’t mean that you can’t develop your skills with math if you suck at it.

And also, if skills can change over time, it’s kinda pointless to base your entire worth on them, no? Like the beloved Nanami Chiaki (best girl imo) said, having a talent is rather restrictive. So, Nagito, you’re partly right. But you’re kinda wrong as well.

Guess Nagito wasn’t called the ultimate bullshit for nothing, huh?

#long post #nagito komaeda #ultimate bullshit #Chiaki Nanami #talent #anime & the real world #reality #ramblings

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