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I think we as a community need to stop gatekeeping Warhammer based on wether or not you've read the Horus Heresy. I've seen a few reviews from people who don't really like the Primarchs or the Primarch-centered novels, and homie that's a whole lotta books about shit you don't like.
Anywho, theres almost a merit badge you have to get before people take your knowledge of the lore seriously, and I think we need to let that go. Warhammer is meant to be fun, and I don't think people are obligated to read 150+ books, short stories, audiodramas and novellas to be considered a "Real Fan." That's hundreds of hours of 90% space marines and Primarchs, and if you don't like either of those, you're gonna have a bad time.
I don't care if you've only read the Infinite and the Divine or if you checked out a few AdRic episodes about xenos you like, you're a real fan of Warhammer the minute you walk in the door. It's the hobby of all hobbies and there's something here for everyone.
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My Horus heresy books are worthless now… yay.
Just kidding, they still have a TON of more and amazing art but it still sucks to not have their rules in ascendancy. Cost an arm and a leg too.
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My art from grimm dark future.
#games workshop#warhammer#imperial guard#horus heresy#chaos space marines#artwork#comic book art#andgil#andgilart
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Doodles of my favourite guys, I hope nothing bad happens to them…
#garviel loken#Tarik Torgaddon#mournival#horus heresy#warhammer 30k#warhammer 40k#watercolor#my art#these two are so cute#only read a few books so far and wow so much pain
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Uriel Ventris isn't a good Ultramarine.
I know this is a spicy hot take but listen to me. Ventris is a great character, but not a good Ultramarine. So what is the difference?
I've heard people say so many times “I don't like the Ultramarines, but I like Ventris”, and boy do I got some news for you; you won't like the rest of them.
Because Uriel routinely fails at being an Ultramarine. And that is what makes him such a great character to read about.
The big problem comes when people have read only the Ventris books and think that he is a good representation of an Ultramarine, when he in all actuality is a failure in their eyes.
My own feelings about Ventris has been a roller coaster, at first I loved him, then I got frustrated by him and finally I have gone full circle into loving him again.
I admire his stubbornness and his idealism. The Ultramarines have tried to kick him out more then once for not following the codex (and lets face it, other captains have done worse and hardy gotten a slap on the wrist). And he just soldiers through it. The man survived a death oath! It's in the name of what is supposed to happen to you 😂
So if Ventris isn't an ideal Ultramarine, who/what is?
The Ultramarines' niche is to be politicians. They are often said to be “boy scouts” or the “good guys”, when in actuality they are the masters of propaganda. (the propaganda works so well that GW routinely has to tell people there are no good guys in 40k, guess who they are addressing)
In my mind Marneus Calgar is an excellent example of a perfect Ultramarine. I was confused about Calgar at first. How did a good man like him manage to become chapter master in a legion of politicians?
And then I read Calgar’s books, he is a good man as long as he can afford it, then rules and morals go out the airlock. And that was just a fascinating contrast to Ventris who sticks to his morals even when breaking the rules.
The Ultramarines are a weird bunch overall. They have so many good characters, and they are allowed to be flawed as hell, to be their own thing, to have a personality. I think that is why I love them so much, they are real people, they have real relationships that spans over many books (and autors!)
Some would say there is an unfair amount of Ultramarine books (and while I disagree on that because I personally want/need more) and that massive pile might be daunting to look at but they have so many gems.
If you like adventure, or political intrigue, or maybe some straight-up bolter porn, they got it. There is some flavour of Ultramarine for everyone.
They are so much more than just some boy scouts doing their best.
#ultramarines#warhammer 40k#40k#horus heresy#warhammer#uriel ventris#space marines#games workshop#books#feel free to ask me for book recomendations
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The Unremembered Empire (HH Vol. 27)
You know a book is good when you start and finish it in one afternoon/evening. Now, not exactly an achievement since it's only a bit above 200 pages, but dang does Dan Abnett just know his craft. There's a bunch of Horus Heresy novels where nothing happens except for one or two very specific things - and then there are books where everything happens all at once. This one is the second kind.
There is just one nitpick I have with it - Guiliman's decision in the end plan the execution of the last remaining loyalist Word Bearer just is so utterly stupid? Our boy has been competent and smart the whole book, and then such a petty move? Let's hope that does not happen once the storyline proceeds some volumes down the line.
The most curious part about this book is that it retrospectively increases the quality of the book that came before it. In isolation "Vulkan Lives" was pretty mid in my opinion (to the point I did not even make a post about it once I finished it) although the scene of Curze getting decked was surely satisfying - but almost every important storyline from that book gets continued here, and it gives those storylines the conclusions they so desperatly needed.
John Grammaticus was actually interesting for once too, as opposed to just being the reader's window into the 3rd party forces of the Heresy. Makes me wonder what the hell Eldrad is planning that he explicitly goes against the Cabal's plans...?
Aside from that Primarch interactions galore - Roboute is so tired tryin to do the right thing, the Lion is an asshole, Curze is one massive bastard, and Vulkan is so lost in the sauce mentally he exists now only to beat the aformentioned bastard into the dirt which is very satisfying.
Oh and we meet Roboute's mother! Even when she is officially only revealed as such late in the book, but of course I knew the name already. I wonder how the reveal works for people that don't already are semi-deep in the lore like me.
Also Imperial Fist Pollux and loyalist Iron Warrior Dantioch are gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. I cannot stress how gay they are. Dantioch figured out the teleportation properties of the Pharos device because it was his most honest wish to save Pollux's life, and Pollux decides to stay with him in the end on Sotha. Spacemarine friendship can be interpreted as pretty homoerotic sometimes, but these boys don't need any interpretation. I hope we read more of them in the future.
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[Image Text: The supreme fear of the Imperial Fists, if they could admit to a fear at all, is to be outplayed by unpredictable variables. Not to know.] - The Horus Heresy: The Siege of Terra, The End and the Death: Volume I by Dan Abnett, chapter 2:xi
ultramarines: know no fear
imperial fists: no know = fear
#book title too long must be custodes#warhammer 30k#horus heresy#siege of terra#ultramarines#imperial fists#i don't usually tag my jokes hopefully i don't regret this 😬#I'm pretty sure this is going to be another 5 star book. I'm really enjoying it#still can't beat betrayer tho sorry having Argel Tal in in is just an unfair advantage#i keep writing tags because it's very funny to me that the non content of the post is much longer than my little two line jest#know no fear was probably my least favorite Abnett book because i don't care about battle scenes lol#least favorite means i still gave it 3 stars. like the standard there is much higher than for Warhammer books in general#which has a horrible reverse curve called a thousand sons
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Astartes and fear is a rare combo, usually it's more in a 'i fear for my primarch' than a 'i fear for MY life' sort've thing.
Actually now that you’ve said it. I do find it kind of interesting that an astartes fear response is usually fearing for their primarch rather than themselves. I suppose it could once again be a form of emotional control over a space marine.
As you have said, the transformation starts at about 10-13 years of age, maybe (somehow. Possibly through space magic bullshit) the emotions a child can experience towards their parent could have kept in order for an astarte to be more loyal to their primarch. Because if you were just a random baseline human and you saw your general get hurt you might feel distraught at specifically his death. That general might have even been a well-liked general. But to you, a random soldier, he is still Just Some Guy.
But on the other hand, if you’re 10-13 years old, and you see your parent get hurt. You will be FREAKING OUT. Those ages are before (or at the very beginning of) a child’s formative years of realising that they are their own person, and that their parents aren’t perfect or ‘their entire world’. So of course you’re going to worry for the life of your parent way more than you would your own.
Just food for thought (Hope tumblr doesn’t glitch out again with this ask lmao)
I think it totally is something that has been fostered in 41st millennium marines intentionally. Modern era Ultramarines vs Heresy era is a really good comparison. I think in 30k it's a little less so. I vaguely remember Sanguinius being concerned about his marines obsessive behavior (obviously mostly in regards to the thirst and rage though) and Angron as much as he was a turbodouche kinda had the right idea with him not wanting them to treat him as their father. And Obviously currently in the plot Guilliman finds it horrifically annoying.
But no matter how hard they tried like you said just the nature of creating space marines kinda makes that kind of attachment.
I mean you took a tween, shoved them full of organs and fed them tons of propaganda, and then said 'hey, this guy with angel wings, perfect smile and his presence literally makes you want to kneel for him, yeah he gave the genes to make you.'.
Kind of like with the Blood Angels when Sanguinius fought Ka'bandha, when he got knocked out the Astartes felt seriously scared and traumatized for him since they were getting all slaughtered en mass. They'd been near worshiping the man for how long that realizing he might actually die here sent them into a full nuclear grade meltdown. Who cares about themselves, just send more men into the fray to save Sanguinius.
Astartes have this kind of 'I'm a brick in the wall' attitude where they feel like while they matter, but they're more than willing to be a martyr for a perceived greater good. Saving their Primarch is usually a common one.
Unless you're Konrad then your sons hate you lol
#Source for the Ka'Bandha stuff and the whole BA being traumatized is from the book Horus Heresy: Fears to Tread#this was great food for thought thanks friend I love going super in-depth around such minute aspects of the lore#Misty's book club
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Every Horus Heresy Book With Death Guard in it Ever
"In this book, the loyalists face a fearsome and terrifying foe: the Death Guard!!!!!
Featuring 25 loyalist space marine characters, 5 marines from one squad of another traitor space marine legion that are helping the Death Guard, and 2! Whole! Death Guard characters."
#JUST DON'T ADVERTISE IT AS A DEATH GUARD BOOK#IS THAT TOO HARD?!#IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?!#THIS IS TWO NOVELS#I AM LITERALLY REFERRING TO TWO DIFFERENT FUCKING NOVELS BY TWO DIFFERENT FUCKING AUTHORS#WHY#HORUS'S TEATS WHY#death guard#Horus Heresy#warhammer 30k
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So I've finally picked up Fear to Tread, and I'm not that far in yet. Horus finds out about the Red Thirst:
But its ok because he promises to Sanguinius that he'll keep the secret! Excellent, this can't possibly end badly /s
and then:
Excuse me, sirs, but what did you expect to do?? And you really going to walk up to Horus Luprecal and tell him "no"???
I realize the play would have been to inform Sanguinius The mental image of any astartes trying to tell a primarch "no" is comical - at this point in the narrative - and what first came to mind.
#azkaellon#raldoron#sanguinius#horus lupercal#blood angels#luna wolves#fear to tread#horus heresy#warhammer#warhammer40k#later on its more of a tragic thing when an astarte tells a primarch 'no'#i really am enjoying the book so far#its off to a great start#i know the broad strokes but not the fine details#so i know I'm about to get my heart stomped on#iapetus reads the hours heresy
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I'll let yall know when we get a store up and running, but this graphic will be the first item up! Art by me
#warhammer 40k#space marines#adeptus astartes#the blangles are stored in the baals#warhammercommunity#garviel loken#wolfhound#wolfhound of hell#horus heresy#warhammer 30k#horus lupercal#horus heresy books#luna wolves#sons of horus#cerberus#cerberus 40k
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Ok. Where should I start with the 40K novels?
I tried one like 15 years ago and it was bad, no memory of which. Generic space marine stuff. I like the setting and many games, though much of the fandom can be exhausting.
I trust your tastes!
Hmm. There are unfortunately rather more bad or mediocre ones than good, but let’s see. Hopefully your trust will not be misplaced!
Possibly my favourite is The Infinite and the Divine, by Robert Rath. It’s a tale of two Necrons, mad historian and archaeologist Trazyn the Infinite and his rival, oracle and time-wizard Orikan the Diviner, as they squabble over an artifact that could change the destiny of their people. A tale of petty scheming and Tom & Jerry nonsense that stretches for thousands of years. I’m currently reading Rath’s Siege of Cadia, and while it isn’t quite as good, more grand battles and the like, it’s still a good read so far.
Also about the Necrons is Severed by Nate Crowley, a lovely little novella about a Necron general who thinks he’s still flesh and blood, and his long-suffering assistant. The same author also has a few books out, called The Twice Dead King, and I’ve tried the first one. Found it slow going and got distracted, but maybe I wasn’t in the mood at the time. I’ve heard good things about it from others.
There’s the Cain series, which is considered a classic. It’s framed as the private memoirs of celebrated Imperial hero Ciaphas Cain, with asides from an Inquisitor he had a close relationship with. The joke is that, to hear Cain tell it, his reputation is a lie: He’s an utter coward who somehow manages to come out smelling of roses every time, is rewarded by being sent into ever nastier wars and situations, and ends up having to act like his false heroic persona in order to lever his reputation to survive.
It’s a slightly more comedic take on the setting than most, with an undercurrent of unreliable narration: It’s suggested that while Cain isn’t the square-jawed hero propaganda says he is, he’s a lot more heroic than he gives himself credit for, and the extend to which he’s really a coward as opposed to a brave man riddled with self loathing and imposter syndrome is left up in the air. Been a while but the ones I read tended to be fun, if slightly formulaic after a while.
I remember enjoying the old Sisters of Battle books by James Swallow, but I haven’t read them in many years so I’m not sure if they hold up. Same with the Eisenhorn series; both are due a reread and I’ll get back to you on whether they’re worth it.
Blades of Damocles is bolter porn but it’s relatively fun bolter porn, and watching the culture clash of the Imperium and the Tau is nice.
I originally got into 40k novels via William King’s stuff; his Ragnar stories are the usual Space Marine fare (star Viking flavour) but he’s more skilled with it than most. He also wrote the most iconic books for Warhammer Fantasy: The original run of Gotrek and Felix, about a dwarf who wishes to atone for an unnamed sin via dying in battle and the human poet who drunkenly agreed to write his death saga, and to his horror now finds himself dragged to the ends of the earth as Gotrek seeks a worthy death. According to fannish lore, their books were the most profitable part of the WHF IP when Games Workshop nuked that setting (a decision they appear to be rolling back).
And speaking of Fantasy, I personally liked the story Drachenfels, which begins in media res as a party of adventurers battles a dark lord…then cuts to years later as their leader, now a powerful politician, reunites his old party members. By putting on a play of their victory over the dark lord. In the dark lord’s castle. On the eve of his defeat. Which of course cannot possibly go wrong. No siree.
I’ll also throw in a couple of fanfics if you’re into that: Breaker of Chains and its two sequels (third instalment not finished) feature the Primarch Angron, in canon a servant of the Chaos god Khorne and leader of the berserk World Eater space marines. In canon Angron landed on the planet Nuceria as a child and led a slave rebellion against its masters only for the Emperor to snatch him away at the last moment to serve him, resulting in his comrades dying and Angron’s mind breaking, leading him to Chaos. In this story his Legion finds him first, his rebellion wins and he enters the wider galaxy relatively more well adjusted.
Relatively.
Whereas Suffer Not is the tale of an Inquisitor doing her best to actually make the galaxy a better place. Shockingly. Completed, has a sequel, got some negative fan attention because of its take on the setting but I rather liked it.
(Both of the above make the unusual choice of using second person, because they were interactive works: Readers would vote on the character’s next action, and the author would weave the result into the next update.)
I’m sure there’s a lot more stuff I’m missing, but that should be a good start.
#warhammer#warhammer 40000#warhammer 40k#warhammer fantasy#if someone who has slogged through all the#Horus Heresy#books would like to chime in with which ones are worth anything that would be great#I’d like to know myself
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Went to a flea market hosted at a local hobby shop today! I got some nice deals on these.
More impressive, though: my girlfriend got a great deal on a Deredeo Dreadnought (including the weapons for it). Like, it still wasn't cheap, but it was a lower price than Forge World, y'know?
#eldar#aeldari#jetbike#warhammer#40k#30k#the horus heresy#books#black library#craftworlds#protoss#starcraft#protoss pylon#toy collecting#replica#charley
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Random Horus Heresy thought:
The HH book series imo is a terrible quagmire of mystery destroying over explanation. However...
it gave us two amazing things.
1. The death of the ‘Dark Angels are traitors” meme, via the canon that The Lion is loyal to the point of being clinically insane about it and gives anyone not as loyal the side eye of suspicion.
2. That Perturabo is not some jealous do nothing, but is in fact a PTSD riddled super genius who embodies the line “YOU HAD ONE FUCKING JOB!” after watching the other 17 dickheads fall over themselves for daddy and gods.
#horus heresy#random thoughts#the books mostly suck now#but we got some good things#30k#warhammer 30k
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One month until The End and the Death volume 2 according to Amazon
#booked the day off work to read it in peace#very serious business#horus heresy#the end and the death#black library
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Betrayer (HH Vol. 24)
I completly understand now how people keep this specific author in such high regard. This must have been one of my fastest reads throughout the Heresy so far. My only complaint, really, as always with Heresy books, is the bullshit style-choice for the cover:
You would think this book is about Lorgar and Angron going totally ham on Ultramarines, and yeah that does happen, but this is not what its about. Like, I get it, the mace-swing makes for a nice composition, but all these covers feel like such low-effort shovelware.
Notice the dude on the bottom right. He's not even LOOKING AT THE TWO GUYS ABOUT TO KILL HIM. The Heresy covers in general always feel like such low effort, when a smart stylized image could have captured the book as a whole much better. Anyways, this book is definetly not about who murders who, it's about Angron, a broken man, and the potentially only family-member that might give a shit about him, which is Lorgar - and mirroring those two brothers, it's also about Kharn (not yet named Betrayer) and Argel Tal, a World Eater and a Word Bearer respectively.
Angron is dieing. The nails are slowly killing him, and Lorgar attempts to save him along with his original mission, which is "shroud Ultramar into a man-made warpstorm fueled by the genocide of dozens of worlds to cut the Ultramarines off for the Siege of Terra". The way he managed to combine these goals however is... well... Lorgar might really, from the bottom of his heart, genuinely care for his brutish brother. But Lorgar is also of the "I will manipulate you for your own good" type of person, who is absolutely hardcountered by Angron's thick skull which takes ages of working on the man to get him even remotely walking into the direction you want him to. Their dynamic is quite entertaining, Lorgar's frustration is just so understandable.
Angron on his own is a broken mess of a person. There's not much to say about it, and he's essentially a force of nature that brings murder and mindless rage wherever he goes - by his own words he is already dead. Whatever is here now is essentially the world's longest suicide note that, much to his own dismay, will drag on for at least another 10.000 years. He has his moments in the book, as he is definetly not a mindless animal and still capable of some seriously baller lines, but he's definetly not the star among the cast.
Lorgar meanwhile is a much more interesting character in the book, mostly for the fact how you realize that there is a difference between "serving Chaos" and "serving the Gods". Those two things CAN go together, but they do not have to. What's interesting is that he and Erebus do definetly not see eye-to-eye. He even tried to have the guy killed by Kharn in the end by just giving the World Eater a tiny information that just made the man go into absolute murder-mode.
Which is interesting, because Kharn might be one of the least murder-y World Eaters there is. Note that I said "World Eaters" here and not "War Hounds" (the old name). That distinction is quite relevant in this story. Just like Angron on his own he does not exactly carry the narrative, he's not as absolutely insane or reckless as someone like Sevatar (and that guy manages it without the nails even). He is more of a calm observer that finds his legion-brothers generally less interesting than hanging out with Argel Tal.
Oh and Argel Tal... we met him in "The First Heretic", but I'd like to avoid spoilers here. Let's just say that his bickering dynamic with Kharn is a smaller mirror to their Primarchs' interaction. They are essentially a married couple at that point if you ask me, except none of them has realized it yet.
There's also the support cast around the Legion Audax and Lotara, but they are not the focus here. They are nice to have around however, and none of their segment feels like weird filler. Overall a great book, and I hope there's more of ADB in the Heresy as I go to the next volumes.
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