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i think the real question i'd love to ask is 'would caster gilgamesh be as violent and cruel as archer gilgamesh if he too manifested in the 4th and 5th fuyuki holy grail war?'
i personally think comparing both gils is very difficult because of how different their circumstances are. to me, it's like putting the same man in two different environments. what i'd love to consider is whether caster would or wouldn't have behaved in the same way in the fuyuki incidents. personally, i think he would've... i feel like he's only tamer because he has a duty to serve as a wise king now; and carries the needs of his people on his back. can't quite fuck around as much when he's saddled with responsibility.
thats my 2 cents XD
#gilgablog#op speaks#gilgapinions#i wanted to write my own perspective separately as the og posts seemed very heated and angry
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i think that is my problem when it comes to gilgamesh in fate series. sadly contrasting opinions on his various aspects are not given enough room to co-exist; and i just think that's a real shame, cuz i feel like nobody is wrong either.
gilgamesh is complex enough to be multiple things at the same time. a person who is intelligent and wise can also be arrogant and childish too. it is possible to be multiple things at the same time, depending on one's role, circumstances, situation and station in life.
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Gilgamesh for ask meme!
Hi!!! Thank you for messaging me ☺ I really appreciate it! It's been a long time since I did askmeme on gilgablog so thank you for requesting him (i keep most fate thoughts private)! Sorry I will probably write a whole massive paragraph about him XD
My Gilgamesh opinions are very subjective here so they may not all be accurate, which is why I enjoy this ask a lot ^^
Sexuality Headcanon: I headcanon him as bi/pan, like yeah there's no denying he is also attracted to women, but his devotional relationship with Enkidu and kinky pleasure yuetsu time with Kirei is every bit as canon in my opinion!!!
Even his creepy obsession with Saber really hints to me personally that Gilgamesh may not discern his initial sense of attraction primarily by gender- I believe he may be attracted to people based off intangible traits that link to his personal sense of values as well; which cannot be as simply measured as gender.
So in my opinion GILGAMESH IS RATED E FOR EVERYONE!
Gender Headcanon: Though he is masc, man he/him I also feel as if Gilgamesh's gender is also just 'GILGAMESH'. Sometimes I wonder if Gilgamesh would see himself as beyond the convention of gender.
Also I heard from someone that gender can be very diverse in Ancient Mesopotamia so it would be really cool to see where Gilgamesh would slot his gender identity there... also can his pronouns be king of heroes/ king as well! I feel like he really defines himself by his role more than gender per se, and in one fate hanafuda game he says gender doesn't matter ☺👍
An OTP: ohh I love Gilgamesh ships so much 😊😊 Gilkidu is just so amazing in many ways I cannot even describe, Kotogil is incredible in their twisted dynamic .. and GilHaku is just so beautiful! And I love Gilgamesh x Merlin for the shenanigans... to be honest most Gilgamesh ships are my otp. I even really like Gilgamesh x reader/ oc fics and Ritsuka/ Guda ones depending on what the ocs are like! Oh I also like Gilgamesh x Cu as they can clash head on and go wild, as well as Gilgamesh x Ozymandias!
And a mutual introduced me to Achilles x Gilgamesh. I think it is a beautiful pairing as they have so much grief, love, power and arrogance in common.
A NOTP: I'm sorry Gilgamesh x Saber fans. I respect those who ship it but Gilgamesh is such a creep to Saber in my opinion, I like it when she doms him to smithereens and stomps on his pride though ☺🥳🥳🥳
BROTP: This is a hard one as I feel like his otps can be good otps, but seeing him hang out with Iskandar is always hilarious. Love how he actually listens to Taiga in the spin off games as well, so they could maybe enjoy a few drinks together. And Gilgamesh/Solomon/Merlin makes for great chaos.
Gilgamesh/Siduri/Enkidu is a powerful alliance and err what else... I feel like as long as they can entertain one another then Gilgamesh has the potential for many BROTPS.
Random Headcanon: He has golden nipple tassels that he unleashes whenever he has an urge to go full sexy, also I feel like though yes he does love pleasure and decadent desires the way he so tightly constrains and punishes himself sometimes makes me wonder if some of his hedonism is also used as a way to appear as an overwhelming figure to others.
I feel like Gilgamesh is definitely tyrannical and extremely powerful and charismatic... yet also has a side to him that is insecure as hell, his larger than life and genuine powerful and wise sides overcompensating for a side of him that is plagued with all sorts of self loathing and grief.
General opinion: I love this asshole!!!!!!!! Endless joy can be created from researching his character and reading, watching his materials, he is entertaining in such a wide variety of ways, and every side of him is a marvel to witness (though i wanna punch him sometimes too cuz holy crap is he horrendous at times).
He's a very complex and nuanced character that can be interpreted in a wide variety of ways so I am really irritated by how some people try to gatekeep Gilgamesh's character and throw him into a box, when Gilgamesh is such a versatile character! I hope that there will continue to be a space where people can enjoy Gilgamesh in as many different ways as possible, without there having to be some sort of 'fandom consensus' on which Gilgamesh opinions are most valid.
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Ever since people started mass posting about Strange Fake i've had "Gil and Enkidu (and Ishtar) but it's a re-enactment of the Destripando la Historia song" brainrot
hi anon thank u for the ask! srry i dont know the song
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what if gilgamesh's core is a paradoxical character? what if gilgamesh's inconsistency may also stem from an internal conflict between competing desires, that fluctate and flip based off individual circumstances? what if gilgamesh responds to situations using a different criteria to most humans, weighing and judging every action from a lens that covers all sorts of perspectives and bits of foresight/ knowledge that may not be considered typically? he does know a lot from his abilities, and sometimes acts in line with his wisdom or even goes against it for entertainment. he's so random yet there can also be a method to his randomness.
im not apologising on the character's behalf... but i feel like gilgamesh's many confusing parts and how he can be the same man yet mould himself accordingly for each and every role is also an interesting point of analysis.
#op speaks#gilgablog#gilgapinions#i dont think this character faces the same kind of personality limits as a human may do... its a thought only#fate gilgamesh
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king of crossed arms and impenetrable walls :3
I get that there are many reasons as to why Gilgamesh vehemently tries to shut out close relationships- chiefly in relation to the heartbreaking grief of losing Enkidu, the one he deems as his 'only friend'. Though Gilgamesh has shown that he can also forge bonds with those other than Enkidu, I was also wondering as to possible additional reasons as to why Gilgamesh is so dead-set on walling off anyone who as so much dares to uncover his unfurling depths.
(By the way, I don't mean this as Gilgamesh not engaging in relationships with anyone, cuz I am sure he is in many kinds of situations and relationships with many people- just that when it comes to letting others get super close to him, he seems to do a lot to smack them away; or use everything in his arsenal to prevent them from reaching that point in the relationship with them.)
This is just another Gilgathought, but like asides from the few people Gilgamesh lets in to the sides beneath his strict, lofty, egotistical image that he ever-so-carefully curates for himself... what if he also walls off others you know, out of a feeling that he's too cruel, too distant, too hard to be understood- so he shoves everyone else out, crushing them beneath his feet as 'mere mongrels' instead?! (Took me a while to figure this out lol.)
I feel as if one trait I have noticed from people Gilgamesh grows close to in fate is that they tend to be people who can take him on at full power, or who can even embrace the darkest aspects of their own humanity or humanity in general, who are open minded to difference as well. There are many other things as well, but my mind has gone blank (lmao).
It makes me wonder if Gilgamesh may be scared of rejection so he rejects others first. He's the judge, jury and executioner- and if you so much as BREATHE close to the vulnerable mass quivering beneath his massive ego, he may either kill you or push you away- to remind one of how they should be beneath, in a position that is so far away from his towering throne.
Like with Hakuno Kishinami. He really puts them through their paces, it's like he's consistently testing the depths of their mettle, which to me personally feels like he is weighing up whether they can handle him and accept him?!! Like I still remember in the 'Gilgamesh Secret Garden' segments (especially part 60), there was one where Hakuno was more or less annihilated by Gilgamesh's internal defence system before the king finally let her in, vowing to protect her with his very life.
Man's defences are HUGE.
This is a wild Gilgamesh thought. Not sure how accurate it is, but I do feel like though yes, Gilgamesh pushes many away due to grief, and in regards to the trauma of losing his dearest beloved Enkidu, this theory could still apply- as Enkidu was the one who had the prowess to not only take on Gilgamesh at his fullest. But they could also wholly relate to the feeling of being a tool, of being one who is at the whims and mercy of the gods.
In other words, they were able to really get Gilgamesh and his many layers. Like a true equal he could just let it all out around.
And I wonder if Gilgamesh yearns to be understood deep down, so will do all kinds of bullshit to punch away those who try to get close him; because of how vulnerable that yearning would make him. He can't exactly be so lofty from the top when someone can comprehend his mighty depths, after all.
#gilgablog#gilgapinions#archer gilgamesh#fate series#this is just a theory#aka 'oh crap i just realized!'#gilgamesh#fate gilgamesh#fgo#i just think. to rule above others like gilgamesh does he'd have to seem unattainable. unreachable.
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damnn i saw ashwatthama's my room lines again its enough to make one cry... he really is a safe place to express anger, and the mutual acceptance which erupts into a crescendo of raging together gets me in the feels, and how he reflects on those wars and battlefields yet vows to protect master with his all... ash is a really great guy tbh
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My theory is that Gilgamesh has a fourth-wall awareness exclusively used for detecting when there's a Fate game, and entering said Fate game, because he desires The Attention. He let Fate/Apocrypha slip past... Never again...
Hello!!! And lmao that is hilarious XD Gilgamesh using his special abilities to insert himself into as many fate titles as possible is a great concept. He really knows how to get the attention at all and any costs.
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breaking my hand slapping Gilgamesh’s armor encased ass
It's worth the sacrifice!!! I hope you got to slap it the way you wanted to.
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i think the Gilgamesh blog was a good experience. i learnt how to make edits, i shared some art, got to speak to many interesting people, learnt many different perspectives, and got to improve my writing by taking on daring new fanfiction requests. if it wasn't for the requests on here; wouldn't have made NSFW fanfiction which is so funny cuz my nsfw is more popular 🤣🤣
it was also very turbulent and dramatic but the skills learnt were worthwhile.
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Gil! Ga! Mesh!
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#thank you for the awesome ask#asks#gilgablog#i felt this in my soul#gilgapinions#can i offer you some gilgamesh during these trying times
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also on that note on what anon sent in the ask, they do have a very good point. in fate stay night UBW, although emiya is the kind of guy who stands strongly against many hurdles and takes a momentous journey of growth, gilgamesh doesn't approve of emiya's path for many reasons. but one video i saw on twitter of gilgamesh vs emiya really stood out to me:
"Hero of justice, a world where no one is hurt? Don't be absurd. Humanity is the name for an animal that cannot find joy in life without sacrifice. The pretty lie that is equality is nonsence sprouted by weaklings who cannot look upon the darkness. Nothing but an excuse to cover up life's ugliness" -Gilgamesh
he seems to also respect those who can face the darkest depths (i think a post about kotogil says this in a more profound way); those who do also understand the limitations of humanity, but are doing their utmost regardless of that. emiya in his fulfilment of a goal that requires the whole destabilization of the concept of 'humanity' in which he seeks to nullify the concept of conflict altogether- would most likely defy the notion of what humanity is in the first place.
then again though humanity is also definable by teamwork so... it's a tough one
maybe gilgamesh even values conflict in a sense, possibly if it plays a useful role in the development of humanity. could he be believing that a world where nobody is hurt would limit the growth of the humans he so admires (??)
well this has gone off topic but after writing this, gilgamesh seems to be into a person's concept, development and personal journey a lot huh XD
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it took me 6 years to realise that ko-gil is not actually based off gilgamesh's genuine childhood but actually a surreal amalgamation between his wise adult form at the apex of his journey and the gilgamesh who drunk the elixir of youth. SIX YEARS (LMAO)
and i got this from watching fate strange fake episode 1 despite reading the manga. lmao it flew over my head for that long?!!!
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I think one extremely difficult aspect of blorbo debates is that there are discrepancies between how individuals interpret language and words used in relation to the blorbo.
For example if someone says 'this character is an asshole' some may see it as meaning 'this person is all evil and has no good' whilst some may see it as 'they have sides of them that are a pain in the ass but thats not all of them'- hell, there are many ways for someone to interpret what constitutes as an 'asshole' based off personal experience and many other different factors.
Sometimes I do wonder if occasionally some blorbo battles may also consist of misunderstandings, especially surrounding the kinds of words and terminology one may use to describe a blorbo. this tended to be my issue with understanding some blorbo posts personally because i never knew what they quite meant XD
and i dont mean this for all blorbo issues im sure many times people do get a blorbo wrong. but i am wondering if sometimes two people may be arguing similar things, but just seeing it from entirely different perspectives?
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feels like gilgamesh's core may be unchanging but his surface is likely malleable... those values and way of living seem embedded within him, but he can possibly shift, edit and change his surface role/ identity when the role calls for it.
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I feel like. If Archer Gil is summoned to a Holy Grail War, he's difficult to deal with in a herding-cats kind of way. He's capable of being intelligent and strategic if properly motivated, but is so convinced of his own superiority that he sees no reason to bother and prioritizes enjoying himself. If CasGil is summoned, he's difficult because he's got work to do. CasGil loses access to a sizable amount of his treasures, and while he has a talent for magic, it's not like he trained as an actual proper mage. So he is forced to rely on strategy more. If CasGil appears, he's got plans besides goofing around and having fun, and those plans may not necessarily include saving the inhabitants of a city he doesn't particularly care for.
Or perhaps he just looks around Fuyuki City, decides he doesn't give a shit about any of this, and proceeds to just pass out on Tokiomi's most luxurious bed for a month. Once all the other Servants have tired themselves out, he swoops in to eliminate all of them because that's still his Grail, why the hell would he let you touch it.
But like. I think CasGil would still be very difficult and controlling and possessive when dealing with him, just in a slightly different flavor. 'I know what's best, I don't have to tell you what I'm planning, I say jump you say how high' rather than blatant hedonism.
Or these are my thoughts anyways. idk!
Hello, thank you for commenting! This is a very interesting perspective, I appreciate it a lot. Your points on how Caster Gilgamesh and Archer Gilgamesh express similar sentiments in a different way makes a lot of sense! I enjoyed reading this.
Have a good winter break!
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