Somebody should do a side by side comparison of Don and Peggy with Syd and Carmy because I don’t see the same vibes

On one level, I get it. I love both shows. There were a few times I wondered if Don and Peggy would go there but they never had the same kind of UST moments I see with Carmy and Sydney. They shared some intense looks but I just never felt narratively like there was anything romantic. Peggy never seemed jealous of any of Don’s lovers. Don cared about Peggy but I never got the sense that he lived to please her or he knew he was okay if she was okay.

Sydney is a compass for Carmy. The closest to a compass for Don was the Draper widow. Carmy is oriented toward Syd in a way Don was never oriented towards Peggy. He never had an awestruck moment staring at Peggy all up in the face like Carmy does with Sydney. Peggy was never contrasted so obviously with any of Don’s lovers. He didn’t envision her as a refuge.

Even their works scenes are different. When Don and Peggy are grinding it out for a campaign there isn’t a sense of intimacy. Compare that to Carmy and Syd in his apartment or even how they worked at the Beef when they were alone.

It’s so different. I think people are just getting too caught up in the work thing to see past those dynamics. They need to look at the care and longing they have for each other.

something so crazy-making about unhealthy mentor-protegé relationships. we're foils, we're mirrors, we're the same person, we're a parent and a child, we're lovers, we're enemies, we'd be better off without each other, we'd kill and die for each other

peggy you just secured yourself a lifetime of the weirdest relationship ever

Me omg

Mad Men (2013)

what if you were my secretary and i was a womanizing married businessman but i wasn't attracted to you and you came onto me to advance your career and i definitively rejected you and made you my protege instead (which all our coworkers took as proof we actually had slept together), so i then went onto marry my new secretary who i told you reminds me of you (but feeds my ego) and you didn't know how to respond to that and i tried to make her your protege but neither of you wanted that and instead you left and went to work for my business rival who actually encouraged and validated your work (which i never do) so i watched you like a scorned lover as my second marriage crumbled because my new wife wasn't actually like you very much but then we suddenly had to work together again and i learned you were having an affair with my rival (he cheating on his wife and you cheating on the boyfriend you always blew off in favor of me) and i became consumed with non-sexual sexual jealousy until i destroyed my career and my marriage to send him away from you, but it actually didn't have anything to do with you it was all about my ego again because i wanted to see a version of me who didn't have a failed marriage and family and you were secondary and yet also essential to that longing because you were the only real relationship i had because i let you know me unlike my family who i would die before being honest with. would you still think i was hot?

starting the mad men mitski renaissance

With you or without you, I’m moving on. And I don’t know if I can do it alone. Will you help me? What if I say no? You’ll never speak to me again. No. I will spend the rest of my life trying to hire you.

That's right, Jon Hamm.

Jon and Liz for TV Insider

Got talking to a guy in the office about our favourite TV shows, The Bear is our latest, up there with Mad Men so bear with me while I go back about ten years and obsess about Don Draper, Peggy, Joan, Pete and co

Currently rewatching Mad Men and I think all of these are the same ship slightly to the left

We'll get a fresh start tomorrow.

the numerous love affairs of don draper

Teetering on the edge.

Mad men S2E12: “The Mountain King” and Succession S4E6: "Living +"