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just-another-frender-blog · 1 year

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The big question: what did you think about the Futurama Comedy Central revival? 😬

So, I'll be 100% honest: I think the hate for the Comedy Central revival is overblown. Everyone's opinions are valid, of course, but I do really like it. I'm glad it got brought back.

I tend to be very patient when it comes to pieces of media I love. I don't always have the highest standards for media either. I'm a massive fan of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and that franchise has very low moments. When Detective Pikachu came out, I saw it three times while it was in theaters. When I was in middle school, I was so obsessed with Naruto that I watched all the unnecessary filler episodes. I should mention that I absolutely love Beast With a Billion Backs despite its faults, it's my second favorite Futurama movie. Once my brain hyperfixates on a piece of fiction, I'll be more forgiving of its faults.

That being said, I think that the Comedy Central era of Futurama has the worst episodes by far. To the point where I have a list of episodes that I will never ever watch again. I also pretend that they aren't canon and don't exist. It doesn't help that the Comedy Central era's season 6 fumbles so hard at the beginning. Imagine my disappointment to find out that the "shut up and take my money" meme comes from the absolute worst episode in the entire show (tied with "The Butterjunk Effect"). These earlier episodes didn't leave a very good impression on me, so it my opinion was very shaky at first.

And then it drops some of the best the series has to offer with "Lethal Inspection" and "The Late Philip J Fry." "Prisoner of Benda" has a moment where Zoidberg switches bodies with Fry, and he blows up Fry and Bender's apartment. That made me laugh harder than anything I've ever seen on TV. And those episodes are far from being the only good episodes in the Comedy Central era. Some of the Comedy Central era episodes are the best the series has to offer. And that alone makes this part of the series worth watching for anyone who's a fan of this show. What I've noticed for seasons 6 and 7, is that the first half seems to have problems with finding its footing, and then the second half does a really good job.

I have an idea about why the later episodes are like this. For one, Comedy Central was way looser on its restrictions than Fox. This meant that the Futurama writing team could do whatever they wanted. Unfortunately, there are instances where limitations can help improve writing quality because it forces the writers to get more creative. They lost some writers due to a lower budget, so I imagine that was an issue as well. Kristen Gore, who wrote "Leela's Homeworld," didn't return to the CC era (yup, she's Al Gore's daughter). I have some issues with the way Leela is handled in certain episodes, and I think this might be one of the reasons why. The writers apparently didn't feel pressured to make all the jokes perfect this time, which I imagine could really wear on them at a point. I can tell that some of the lines they wrote probably needed to be workshopped and rewritten.

There are character consistency problems as well, but this is bound to happen in episodic shows that go on for 100+ episodes. In the Comedy Central era, there are some moments I would consider character assassination, but as I said earlier, I pretend those episodes aren't canon. For the most part, they still capture the spirit of the characters just fine. There was also likely some strife in the writer's room regarding certain elements. If I had to guess, they were likely writing under the pressure that they weren't sure if this show was going to end or not, so they had to make everything open-ended enough.

The original Futurama has some of the tightest writing I've ever seen on TV. That type of near-perfection is nearly impossible to recapture under different circumstances a decade later. But they still made a good amount of impressive episodes. They tried to make up for some of the older episodes that haven't aged well, even if their attempts were a bit clunky. They have a ton of super cool sci-fi concepts they get to explore. And some of these episodes are just batshit unhinged in a way that really appeals to me. So yeah, I think CC era has the worst the series has to offer, but it also has the best the series has to offer. *Also, I think that some of the criticism I've seen for the CC episodes is too nit-picky and pretentious, but that's just my take.*

If you watch the CC era, do yourself a favor and skip these episodes: "In-A-Gadda-De-Leela," "Attack of the Killer App" (fuck this episode), "The Futurama Holiday Spectacular," "The Butterjunk Effect" (fuck this episode too), and "Naturama." Honestly, I thought everything else was fine, some being more mediocre than others.

"Yo Leela Leela" and "Neutopia" really aren't great, but they aren't bad enough to nearly ruin my enjoyment of this show, unlike the above episodes.

Here are my favorite episodes in the CC era: "Lethal Inspection," "The Late Philip J. Fry," "The Prisoner of Benda," "The Silence of the Clamps," (Zoidberg vs Clamps, a fight between god tier characters), "Mobius Dick," "Benderama," "The Tip of the Zoidberg," "Ghost in the Machines" (more like gays in the machines, hahaha), "All the Presidents Heads," "Cold Warriors," Reincarnation," "Overclockwise," "The Bots and the Bees," "Decision 3012," "The Six Million Dollar Mon" (yes, I'm adding it for the Robit Brain song alone), "Forty Percent Leadbelly," “Freewill Hunting,” "2-D Blacktop," "The Inhuman Torch," "Saturday Morning Fun Pit," "Leela and the Genestalk," "Game of Tones," "Murder on the Planet Express," "Stench and Stenchibility," and finally, "Meanwhile."

All of the above are my personal favorites. I found everything else enjoyable and I would still rewatch them. Shoutout to the Bender robot fox episode that parodies "The Most Dangerous Game." It's one of the weirdest episode concepts I've ever seen. I have no idea what possessed them to write that episode, but I got a kick out of it.

#futurama #asks #comedy central reboot #long post #my opinion

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hedgypipes · 5 months

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HAPPINESS HAPPINESS

JOYFUL JOYFUL

ABGTtUKyi

#the ren and stimpy show #ren and stimpy #nicktoons Nickelodeon #comedy central #Ren and Stimpy reboot #reboot leak #happy happy joy joy

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lalasmansion · 4 months

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I randomly found this on the news on google.

He’s congratulating Billy!

#ren and stimpy #ren hoek #ren & stimpy #stimpy j cat #the ren and stimpy show #comedy central #ren and stimpy reboot #ren and stimpy adult party cartoon.

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roxyminimoose · 4 months

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el diseno del primero se habia inspirado de los perros de warner bro, y este se ve simplon sin chiste, y no hay que olvidar el slapstick que se usa con el primero. esto sera la decepcion del ano o estoy juzgando mal, ya quiero ver un capitulo completo XC

#ren and stimpy reboot #comedy central #twitter #minimoose1231

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rodeo-clown-boy · 1 year

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The Adventure Zone Cats

With the introduction of Stimpson in the newest episode of Steeplechase, here’s a list of all of the cartoon cats referenced in The Adventure Zone and where they come from if you happen to be unfamiliar

Balance - Garfield

Newspaper comic strip since 1978

TV series 1988, 2009, 2019

Movies 2004 & 2006

and much much more.,,., this cat is everywhere

Amnesty - Heathcliff

Newspaper comic strip since 1973

Often seen as “knockoff Garfield” even though he came first

Graduation - Tom & Jerry

Hanna Barbara animated short film series 1940 - 1958

Several animated TV series since 1975

Ethersea - Felix & Nermal

Felix

Cartoon cat from the silent era - 1919

TV Series 1953

Movies 1988 & 2004

Nermal

Not connected to Felix

From the Garfield franchise since 1979

In Ethersea Nermal is a girl but in the Garfield comics he’s a boy (people get confused because in the Garfield comics Nermal has eyelashes)

Steeplechase - Stimpy (Stimpson)

The Ren & Stimpy Show on Nickelodeon 1990

Ren & Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon 2003 **he’s gay in this one**

Comedy Central Reboot 2020

#the adventure zone #taz balance #taz steeplechase #garfield the deals warlock #taz garfield #taz ethersea #taz amnesty #taz stimpson #txt post

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ephrom · 10 months

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Question To Everybody Who Is Excited About New Futurama

Did we all just collectively forget how middling the Comedy Central seasons were? (I can name maybe a handful of episodes from those seasons I go back to when I marathon the show, but I go to basically episode every of the Fox era and the four movies.) Did we all just collectively forget that Matt Groening’s other animated show--The Simpsons--is infamous for being middle of the road for around fifteen years? Did we all forget how widely disliked the Animaniacs reboot--which was also on Hulu--was?

I’m not saying for sure it’s going to be bad--but if it turns out to be good, I’ll be surprised, I’ll say that.

#futurama #matt groening #the simpsons #animaniacs #hulu

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cozy-phantom · 1 year

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disclaimer its not actually getting rebooted this is a hypothetical situation

#mbav #my babysitter's a vampire #benny weir #ethan morgan #rory keaner #sarah fox #erica jones #paramount #hbo #pbs kids #tlc #comedy central #hallmark #the cw

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nomlioart · 1 year

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I wanted ask to you about the executive producer of the OG RnS, Vanessa Coffey. I once saw in a page about her, she was the responsable for censoring a scene from the pilot episode Big House Blues, because according to her, it was too "gay" 😑 and she also removed the kiss scene from the ending of Robin Höek. I don't have faith in the Comedy Central reboot, because Vanessa is involved on it and she will unfortunately ignore the Rempy shippers requests to make Ren & Stimpy gay in the reboot

i mean- it was the 90s right, this cartoon was also watched by small children 👁️👁️👁️ for those years, it could have caused a lot of controversy to show more gay moments than they've ever had on the show, but r&s is one of the few cartoons that got away with it, it was said that the reboot is gonna keep the same vibe as the original so let's just hope that happens

also ren and stimpy had enough gay and perverted innuendos for those years, even after john k left.

#ren and stimpy

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thesoftboiledegg · 7 months

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After a season full of topical episodes, "All the Way Down" showed Futurama at its best: an episode explaining scientific ideas in a fun, entertaining way. This episode would be a great introduction to quantum mechanics and simulation theory.

Generally, I'm not a fan of simulation theory because people tend to get smug about it. "Nothing is real! Existence is meaningless! We're all just a bunch of ones and zeroes!" But if you're experiencing life, why does it matter if it's "real" or not?

If existence isn't real, then why don't you stop eating? Why don't you sleep on the floor instead of a bed? That sounds uncomfortable? Sounds like your experiences mean something after all!

I was happy that Futurama came to the same conclusion. Instead of feeling depressed because nothing matters, the characters realized that everyone's lives matter. One of the pre-commercial jump cuts implied that "our" Planet Express crew is in a simulation of their own, but what difference does it make? They're still people.

Additionally, I loved watching Amy show off her smarts. I think her ditziness makes people, including the writers, forget that she holds a doctorate. She held her own against the professor and challenged his thinking.

That being said...I didn't necessarily enjoy this episode. I had a blast watching "The Impossible Stream," "I Know What You Did Last Xmas," "Rage Against the Vaccine" (yeah, I know that's an unpopular opinion) and others. TV doesn't have to be fun to be great--I'm a Sopranos fan, and some of the best episodes are brutal--but I felt like I was watching an animated lecture.

It's a great episode, but I wouldn't say that I'll look forward to it when I eventually rewatch the whole series. Still, personal opinion doesn't reflect the quality.

However, that brings me to my biggest issue with the episode: the implication that a Bender from a higher dimension replaced "our" Bender. Some have said that our Bender came back, proving that the crew is in a simulation because the professor said it's a one-way trip--or maybe it's just a plot hole.

But I think the writing implies that our Bender is gone and another took his place. He reboots out of nowhere and tells the crew that he has a solution, just like our Bender did when he jumped down a level. Additionally, as previously mentioned, one of the jump cuts implies that our crew is also in a simulation. It's simulations all the way down!

I have the same issue with "The Late Phillip J. Fry" from the Comedy Central run. Fry, Bender and the professor jump two universes ahead, leaving the rest of the crew to die trillions of years ago. I also raised an eyebrow at the professor going back in time in "I Know What You Did Last Xmas." He probably came back to the same universe because if he didn't, he would've run into another professor--but you can't be totally sure.

Yeah, we're still watching the Planet Express crew, and it doesn't matter from a storytelling perspective. And it's debatable how canon this is since Futurama famously resets at the end of nearly every episode. But it's still unsettling.

If someone with an identical twin dies, and their twin takes their place, their twin isn't them. The original consciousness--the person that we knew--is gone forever.

This is also why "Jurassic Bark" doesn't hit as hard for me because Fry wasn't bringing Seymour back to life. He was making a clone. That clone isn't Seymour.

Maybe I'm taking a TV show too seriously, but if everyone's replaceable, then maybe "All the Way Down" isn't implying that every life is important after all. One simulated person is as good as another.

In any case, I can't deny that the ending was fantastic--probably one of the best endings that I've ever seen. The crew watches the world pixelate around them, but instead of having an existentialist crisis, Fry and Leela slowly lean in for a kiss. I almost cried, which is no easy feat! Very few movies and TV shows move me to tears.

The writers minimized Fry's role in season eight, implying that he's no longer the main character, but maybe Futurama said everything it had to say about his story. He can't be the "fish out of water" forever; at a certain point, he's going to adjust to the future.

I had some issues with this episode, and I disliked a few others (what the hell was going on with "The Prince and the Product"?), but overall, season eight had great gags, funny topical references, sweet moments between the characters--the Comedy Central run was pretty mean-spirited--and fresh takes on scientific concepts.

Ultimately, and I'm saying this as someone who's been watching Futurama since 1999, this revival was worth it. Futurama just won't die, and maybe it's a cash grab, but it's also because the fans love it so much.

#futurama #futurama reviews #all the way down

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just-another-frender-blog · 1 year

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Seriously, why was the Comedy Central revival lowkey shippy? lol. If it aired in a later time, I'd wonder if some of the writers actually shipped Frender. Fry and Bender bathed together and had a pretty seductive dance in one episode (I can't remember which one, but I know you know which scene I'm talking about, lmao.) I hope it continues in Hulu revival. Queer culture has exploded in the decade after "Meanwhile" aired.

I was just talking about this with some other Frender shippers recently, and I've thought about this a lot. I have quite a bit to say on this subject as well.

I know that this a very controversial topic, but I'm of the opinion that Fry and Bender's relationship was queer-coded on purpose. Queer-coding has been around for a very long time in American entertainment thanks to the Hays Code. Movies and TV shows didn't allow queer people for a very long time, and if I'm being honest, they still barely allow queer characters. Queer characters and queer stories are incredibly rare in television and film.

There are a number of reasons why this is the case. For one, there was obviously the Hays Code, which made it illegal to have out gay characters. This meant that queer writers would code characters as gay. It would fly over the heads of straight executives and audiences, but queer people have a keen eye for these things. Another reason why queer characters are so rare is that we aren't a marketable demographic. Executives greenlight what makes money, and they don't take risks. They see queer stories with queer characters as too much of a risk and would rather greenlight reboots (hi Futurama).

I tend to be very critical of a lot of canon queer representation because I personally feel (with exceptions) that a lot of canon queer rep is designed to be palatable toward heterosexual audience members. One of my biggest issues is that you rarely see queer main characters. You very rarely see shows where the main pairing is queer. I think that executives are more okay if some side characters are queer as opposed to the main characters (especially if the side characters are disposable).

Now back to Fry and Bender's relationship. Back in the early 2010s, or even 1999, it's possible that the writer's purposefully coded their relationship as queer. And there are a lot of gags and episodes where Fry and Bender are purposefully written to be like a couple. I don't think it was intended to be romantic in the same way that Fry and Leela's relationship was; however, you never know and you can never say for sure. I’ve always thought that Fry and Bender’s relationship was similar to Bugs and Daffy’s relationship in the Looney Tunes Show. They live together, they bicker like a married couple, they act like a married couple, etc. They’re definitely queer-coded, but both characters still have female love interests.

Here’s a more blatant example of queer-coding in Futurama: the yuri fanservice between Amy and Leela. It is definitely done for the sole purpose of titillating straight, cis, male audience members at the expense of gay women. And yeah this does make me uncomfortable, but I won’t get into it here. However, this is still an obvious form of queer-coding, even though it wasn’t to be covert representation. Actually, Farnsworth and Zoidberg have quite a few moments where they act queer, and you can make the argument at that all of the main characters in this show are queer-coded. Well, except for Hermes (maybe).

If you divorce Fry and Bender relationship from the shipping aspect of canon and merely look at it through a queer lens, it would be a huge deal if it became canon. I cannot stress how important it would be in terms of queer rep. For one, both of them are main characters, and iconic characters at that. AND they are the main characters of a well-known franchise, and they are both men. Fry and Bender are not your handsome, skinny, bishonen types at all. They aren’t conventionally attractive. Which is honestly why I love them so much as a queer ship, but I’m also not going to get into that with this post.

Futurama is an adult cartoon geared toward straight men; the idea of getting representation like this from Futurama is nearly impossible. That’s another reason why it would be a massive deal. However, I can also imagine the backlash from viewers. So many fans would be furious, and most of the target audience would be furious. I don’t think that the writers might not want to make Fry and Bender explicitly gay (which is fine, that’s their right). However, even if they really did, I doubt they would be allowed to do so. I do think there is a slim chance, because Matt Groening does have a lot of control over this property, and maybe he could make it happen, but I’m also going to be realistic here.

This leads into another point I want to address, and that’s the worrying trend with the obsession of wanting ships to become canon. I think this leads to a lot of bullying and abuse over the Internet in the name of shipping wars, which I find disturbing. I think the biggest issue is that the obsession comes from the fact that canon seems to give people validation. That they can tell someone that their ship is right because it is canon or because they think it was meant to be canon. This is dangerous to me, because a lot of popular queer ships will never be canon, and that’s just reality. I think that can change, but not any time soon.

There’s the possibility that Fry and Bender were coded on complete accident (which I honestly find hard to believe sometimes), and that the writers really did write their relationship as completely platonic. I’ve never been able to find evidence that they even know Frender exists, let alone speaking out about it, so I have no clue. However, I’m completely confident that they would give their blessing for people to ship them and read them as romantic, even if that wasn’t their initial intention. And knowing that they would support the queer fans like that is enough for me.

I’m going to end on this note. Matt Groening’s new show Disenchantment has a bisexual female lead. She has a romance with a mermaid on screen, and her sexuality is explicit. We don’t know what his plans are for Futurama. Maybe he will let characters like Fry, Leela, and Bender have a queer side that can be explored now that it’s 2023. And if you ask me? I would love it if Freeler became canon and all three of them got married to each other. That’s my dream canon ship. <3

Edit: The success of Our Flag Means Death, which is unapologetically gay and has an unconventional gay couple at that, is proof that queer rep does do well with a broader audience. Maybe we’ll get more shows like it in the future.

#futurama #asks #frender #analysis #queer analysis #long post

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anglewormangel · 7 months

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I watched the Hulu Futurama reboot so you don't have to

it wasn't good

there were like two or three okay episodes? The Amazon and crypto ones surprised me by being less overtly topical than I was expecting. The Christmas one was also pretty good

then they undid this with the Covid episode -> Cancel culture episode -> nonsensical anthology episode themed around toys that was maybe the worst 3-episode run I've seen of anything

Billy West sounds so old

maybe this is a holdover from the Comedy Central seasons (that I don't really like and don't really want to rewatch) or a contract thing but they really push all the secondary characters into every episode and it's just clunky and weird? I love Amy but not all episodes need Amy

it wasn't funny

it wasn't funny!!!!!

it's bizarrely dead-looking too, with some blatant animation errors

the 3D animation also looks less integrated and jankier than it did in 2001 (!)

overall not good!! Don't bother

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popculturebuffet · 1 year

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Clone High President's Day Special Review: (Escape to Beer Mountain: A Rope of Sand and Episode 2: Election Blu-Galoo) (Comissioned by WeirdKev27... wesley)

Tonight, on a special presidents day review of clone high

(Clears throat)

WAY WAY BACK IN THE 2000'S TWO FUTURE SUCCESFUL COMEDIANS TOOK SOME FAMOUS GUYS AND LADIES AND MADE THEM INTO A CULT CLASSIC COMEDY

NOW THE SHOWS GETTING A REBOOT NOW IT'S GONNA MAKE IT IF IT TRIES BUT UNTIL IT GETS RELEASED IT'S TIME TO LAUGH SHIVER AND CRY WITH THE ORIGNIAL CLONNNE HIGGGHHH YEAHHHH…

Honestly i'm suprised it took me this long to clone high, nor that I did our presidents say special last year and never even thought of this as an option.

In case the intro wasn't clear enough, for presidents day we're looking at one of the best shows MTV ever made, Clone High, a 2002 animated comedy about a bunch of clones of famous historical figures made into clones back in the 80s who are now teens living through a giant parody of teen dramas both at the time and in the past, with most of the episodes modeled after your various teen drama tropes which having watched a few (Degrassi, 90210 (both versions), Secret LIfe of An American Teenager) made it hilarious to me, as it matches the genre point for point while also adding in it's own zany looney tunes humor.

Naturally such a wholly weird premise.. didn't really take off and MTV canceled it the first excuse they got, but it's spot on humor, great voice acting, fun animation and brilliant premise and satire meant the show got the cult following it desreved.. and eventually came back by popular demand as it's creators ended up becoming two of the biggest names in animation, making the lego movie, the lego batman movie and Spider-man INto The Spider Verse into massive hits. While it's return is still cooking, and sadly coming to HBO Max, which at the time was a big HELL YES from me, now has me worreid they may prevent us from getting more than two seasons.. though given Paramount is both behind the series and could easily bring it to plus if it's popular enough, i'm not too worried. So while we wait , we can celebrate with the clones of two dead presidents mr. b, as we dive into the first two episodes of the show: Escape To Beer Mountain: A Rope of Sand and Episode 2: Election Blu-Galoo. So come under the cut with me for some angst that's entertaning.

Escape To Beer Mountain: A Rope of Sand

From the outset what the series is is clear.. not just from the throughly kickass themesong that perfectly fits the ti me, but from it's characters, who are easily recognizable both to anyone even casually aware of history.. and anyone whose seen at least one teen drama or movie: You have Abe Lincoln (Will Forte who would show up in pretty much everything this duo made after this), as our bland protaganist who wants to get with the popular girl Cleopatra (Christa Miller), your standard rich bitch popular girl and his only friends: Joan (Of Arc) (VA Legend Nicole Sullivan) , a moody goth who hides her fairly obvious crush on him, and Ghandi (Micheal McDonald), a wannabe party animal whose desperate to fit in. Basically the David Silver of the group. Rounding them out is macho jock rival JFK (Chris MIller himself doi) who genuinely thinks his clone dad was "a super macho stud who conquered the moon".

To get the elephants out of the room quick.. yes casting the white Miller and McDonald was a mistake and one the reboot hopefully avoids, though I would like to see much like say central park or x-men 95, the two actors get other parts in the series. They just don't need to play these two. I accept it to a point as of the time and the industry, as we're only three years out from it being standard to match a characters race to their va every time, but it's still something to not dance around either: They screwed up, their not doing it again in the reboot decades later, so I won't be that hard ont hem.

Speaking of the reboot while it has leaked.. I haven't watched it. I saw a screencap or too because people reblogged it without being considrate that you know.. not everyone WANTS to steal from creators who have waited for this a long ass time, and woudl rather wait. I'm fine if say HBO Max fucks up and puts it on the platform itself early (as it did iwth the first ep of close enough ) or the creators air the episode at a public event for consumption (As seen with owl house and again close enough), but I won't cover something nor talk about it till offical release and won't watch it unless it has been released in some offical capacity.

Now that's out of the way, the episode is dammingly spot on and it's telling teen dramas haven't changed THAT much. I mean I still hope for that degrassi reboot but this show shows the only real change would be diffrent music, though the use of music of the time, while likely why it took till this year to finally stream on paramount+, really helps sell it. It had been a while since I watched these two eps, having not watched the series since breaking out my dvds a few years back. And yes I got that lucky as I found it at fye for only 15 or 20 bucks nearly a decade ago and have held tight to those two discs ever since. It's even the canadian dvd complete with teletoon ads. It's glorious.

But from the "sexy teens' moniker flaunting sexualizing teens despite the characters being underage (though most teen shows sidestep this by hiring older actors and actresses it's still weird and creepy), to the music, the delviery is spot on, with most of the deliveirs sounding just like a teen drama's overdramatic yet whispery way of doing things.. yet saying rediculous shit. It's essentailly the animted euqilveant of airplane, taking a dramatic overblown genre and throwing all sorts of weird shit in, in this case from the premise down. While the plot of Abe and Ghandi trying to get beer for a party so Abe can take his shot with Cleo is pretty stock the fact it's abe and the party dude clone of Ghandi of all people trying to have genghis kahn fake his way into buying beer… and failing horribly that nails it, or having JFK Boiled down to his most embarassing and sexist traits, being mad at cleo for kissing abe later.. while making out with someone else. The cast is all time greats, so it's no shock they pull it off great.

The plot itself is again pretty stock and by the num bers teen pilot: Abe and Ghandi try to get beer but end up getting nonalcholic, Joan tears up at Abe kissing cleo but ultimately tries to push her towards him, Cleo ends up with JFK but hints she still clearly likes abe, and now you know the plot. Oh and Joan tasers Ghandi for ignoring the teen ine she set up. It's just mixed up with various clones from two elvises one pre addiction and svengaling by col parker, one post, a teacher whose half sheep and voiced by a literal and figurative dick, and the local nerd being george washington carver who made his own little peanut sidekick, along with just general madness such as the principal sending Cleo to the maze of death, Ghandi going out a 30 story window and the two best characters in the show.

They are Principal Cinnamon Scudworth, voiced by Lord and his best friend/possible husband and robot butler Mr. Butlertron, played by Miller, and while everyone else does well, Lord and Miller steal their own show as these two are essentailly the Perry the Platapus and Dr. Doofensmirtz of the early 2000s': two scene stealing characters squared away int heir own wacky subplots that rarely seriously impact the main plot, or more Doofenschmirtz and Norm but semantics.

Scudworth is the principal employed by the board of shadowy figures to make these clones into super soldiers… a plan that dosen't quite work as each clone has baggage from their original, a nicely implimented bit that adds some depth: Abe feels stuck in the shadow of his far more confident clone father, Joan became a goth entirely because she isn't sure she can be hers, Ghandi became a party animal because he's entirely sure he can't, and JFK and CLeo are stuck on the suprfical beauty of their selves. i'ts nicely done. Scudworth meanwhile plans to make a theme park.

Really though Scudworth's just there to be thrust by the board or his own stupidity into various shenanigans while Mr. B helps him out and it is glroious. I could watch a whole show of these two alone but honestly they fit perfectly here, their weird over the top antics perfectly fitting the world and contrasting how straight everyone else plays this very stupid world. Scudworth is a cartoon villian in a teen drama high school and his out of placeness just makes him that much more delightful.

For this episode Scudworth has to write a report on being a teen and after a failed interview with joan and sending her to the maze of death, which again everyone is so used to Joan getting dropped in from it dosen't even faze Ghandi, inflitrates the party.. and ends up beaten as a pinata as "Cloney Student'. It's just a taste of what he'll get into, but it's one of the best parts of an already stellar pilot. Escape to Beer MOutnain is hilarious, nicely paced and just PACKED with jokes with most having aged well. Only one or two didn't really work like Joan calling a masculine elanor rosevelt "him" and her oggling joan as she walks away, which is just.. eugh…. but overall the episode is fantastic and if you haven't watched the show, go check it out.

Episode Two: Election Blu-Galoo

And the second episode.. is even better as with the premise out of the way, the comedy ramps up further. It also gives JFK more to do. He was funny enough in the first episode, coming back to wash his hands, grappling with gay dads, and after Cleo leaves to decide who she wants he offers Abe a nacho for no real reason. But this episode really lets him shine as the oversexed idiot we know and love.

In this case Cleo wants to still be Student Body President, but for some reason Clone High has term limits, so she enlists JFK as her maleable pawn to shadow govern the school. Abe runs because he thinks Cleo is into JFK because he's a good leader, and runs on the issues before that sputters out entirely in the face of JFK campaniging soley on his abs.

This one has a scudworth plot impact the main plot a bit more than usual, as Scudworth , hard up for cash for his evil plan since the board outright refuses to give him money( Just for fun i'm going to keep saying no until you hang up…" ). Enter the X-Treme Blu Trio, three totally rad execs who spend the episode screaming nonsense..e xcept for their third and best member X-Treme Bob who instead says things like "I HAVE NO SELF ESTEEM!" and "MY SON WON'T EVEN LOOK ME IN THE EYE ANYMORE!". Their played by the Scrubs trio of Zack Braff, Donald Faison and Sarah Chalke, who all did this for a free as a favor to producer Bill Lawrence of Spin City, Scrubs and Cougar Town fame. And as a fan of Spin City and Cougar Town I love his involvment and most of these actors. Faison in paticular did a LOT of rolls for the show, including George Washington Carver.

At any rate Scudworth gladly sells out and naturally blows it all having only seen 2/3 of MC Hammer's behind the music and concluded money is endless, while the three sellout goons approach abe to do stunts and promote their brand. He and joan fall out, he eventually comes around after extreme blu (just blue housepaint and pancake batter) nearly kilsl Ghandi, it's all pretty great.

Naturally what makes the episode are the jokes, with some all timers. Some I can't really recitie here but one that really gets the teen drama and is clearly parodying dawsons creek has Abe and Joan on seperate docks starring compelatively.. only for it to reveal their on docks right next to each other, with Abe leaving with an utterly nonsense speech on their friendship ending that Will Forte somehow gives as if he were a teen hearthrob "You know what hurts the most? This nail I stepped on". It's pure poetry and if you want to get someone into the show, this is the easiest way.. that or showing them any second of scudworth, but this gets the point across more.

We also.. get a song from Marilyn Manson which at the time was a funny way to bend his image.. but now comes off as "Yikes we accidently had a sexual preadator on our show! ", ditto for Andy Dick but he mostly plays smaller characters while Marilyn Manson's role is a pretty big cameo and thus sticks out more and is harder to overlook. It makes the once utterly hiarious gag of JFK calling him "Scary Andgogyns White Guy" far less funny.

Even with this unfortunate cameo that is no way the shows fault, this episode is still spectacular and that goes for the series as a whole. If your remotely intrestd in this series go watch it, it's on paramount+ and if you don't have that i'ts on mtv.com for free. So check it out before the revival, the series is well worth it and is easily one of the funniest shows i've seen. I forgot just how constant and excellent the jokes were since i'd seen the series last but it's comic genius and was a sign of things to come from this duo. Thanks for reading.

#clone high #chris miller #phil lord #abraham lincoln #jfk #ghandi #joan of arc #cleopatra #principal sucdworth #mr butlertron #mtv

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roxyminimoose · 4 months

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[21:33]Que triste saber que los fan captaron mas la ecencia que el mismo show... Se que estoy siendo negativa pero enseri espero que algo asi pase en el reboot, la animacion siempre fue el fuerte de este show. https://twitter.com/dorkymations/status/1742393520659243352

#twitter #minimoose1231 #ren and stimpy #comedy central #reboot

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sporksaber · 1 year

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How i'd do a clone high reboot/second season.

I would not set it in 2020s and there's three reasons for it. First and the smallest one, that setting jump is huge. The changes are drastic and jarring and its really not needed. Sevond, there arent strong signifyers for the current decade. Things move too fast and you cant pin specific lasting traits until you have hindsight. Any joke made will be dated by the time it airs. And 2020 teen stereotypes have been done to death. Third, any political comedy would benefit from a degree of separation.

I wouldn't keep it in the 90s. The 90s at this point is so far removed and so attached to recent aesthetics and tropes I think it would be better to push forward. I'd set it early to mid 2010s. It gives separation from current politics and a solid frame while still leaving room for relevant issues to be brought up. It wasn't that long ago but there's a significant safety gap.

Onto plot things, I think it's important to discuss Abe first. He's the most central character in the original. I don't like the bashing angle the pilot used. I love to hate Abe, but it's not fun to watch him fumble around and whine in the background.

His life revolves around his two best friends and cleo. One friend is out of the picture but I'll get to next. The other is moving on and I think that's important. And cleo would never let the shit he pulled slide. So he's more or less alone episode one. Joan does still talk to him, but she's carving our space for herself and isn't going to coddle him. Abe has to reorient him self (and by extension the show) in a way where he can function without his friends and relationships as crutches. And he has to form a conclusion that works even if it's not the right one (not the right one being both more in character and better for jokes).

On to Ghandi. He is integral to the comedic pace of the show and also one of the best characters. I'm not going to go into ways to replace him or work around his absence. The way I'd deal with him, ignoring possible corporate decisions on his inclusion, is this:

if I put hum in the first episode I wouldn't acknowledge any differences at all, just have him be called by a comedians name and identify as that person with no other changes. Not going that route though, I wouldn't have him in the first episode beyond showing him still frozen. If we dealt with him immediately the episode would be overcrowded. Episode one needs to reestablish cleo, jfk, Joan, and Abe while also setting up new characters in the new setting. Instead he'd be found in episode two, determined by shadowy figures to be a clone of a comedian, and upon being dethawed he just goes with it. The name ghandi is never mentioned. When he meets back up with his friends he stops them from saying hi by emphasizing his name and they're like, may wierd, but they also go with it without question.

Option two also allows for ghandi to explore his new identity for the first time in a much more lighthearted way than Abe and Joan. It gives him a base interaction with shadowy figures that can lead to plot lines later. And it meas you can bring back cleo not knowing his name because he changed it.

Speaking of cleo, her lack of popularity would come from her no longer being part of any school organizations (she used to be cheer captain and dtudent body presdent). But she will regain her power and subjects, she's just not sure how yet.

Joan does get along with the current popular kids, who are on student council and also in various student activist groups. She gets the chance to thrive in episode one. Later on there will be drama and backstabbing but for now she finally feels like she belongs. Also, look wise her style is viewed as sort of retro grunge chic and kind of cool. She enjoys the compliments at first but they bother her later on.

Jfk follows Joan. He doesn't really care about the environment but he's certainly interested in the sustainability of Joan's pants. And gay people are cool, he has gay dad's. He's not gay tho (admiring other dudes' thighs is a totally normal straight activity). I actually think I'd give him an adoptive sibling this time around. Both because it'd be good for him and to vibe him non Joan and popularity centered plot lines.

I'd keep joanfk going strong throughout the reboot. I'm a strong believer in active relationships being more compelling than will they won't they shenanigans.

I think that's all the main characters. Scudworth and mister buttlertron would proceed as normal. I didn't particularly like the new shadowy figure overseer, she didn't show off anything other than being blandly intimidating and lizard. I like the og shadowy figure. He was fun and had good vibes with scudworth. I'd deffs bring him back.

As for smaller characters: van gogh should get a hot bitch Era. Maybe assisted by Marie currie who has always existed on one. It could be part of a ghandi subplot.

#clone high #clone high reboot #clone high season 2 #this is all fir now might add more later #also van gogh joins the gsa with jfk #ok im done

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